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ESutt7
06-17-2009, 03:43 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59875/20090617/nets_looking_at_johnson_clark/


The Nets like versatile players, and are intrigued by James Johnson and Earl Clark. Johnson is best suited as a small forward, but played both shooting guard and power forward at times for Wake Forest.
"I consider myself as a three. That's what they're looking at me as, a three," said Johnson.
"But I can mix it up a little bit. I run the two if I have to, run the four if I have to."
Louisville's Clark is seen by many as a point forward, and has been labeled as soft.
"I'm going to play a combination of positions," said Clark. "I think I've got the talent to play a lot of positions offensively, also defensively. That's what makes me special in the draft. I want to end up in the right situation, somewhere that fits my style, (with a) coach going to let me play, coach that likes playing rookies."


JJ may not be there for us.

idioteque
06-17-2009, 03:48 PM
If JJ is not there Blair most likely will be. Henderson could be gone by our pick, as well. This would likely lead to the scenario of picking Blair.

Jonathan
06-17-2009, 03:52 PM
If JJ is not there Blair most likely will be. Henderson could be gone by our pick, as well. This would likely lead to the scenario of picking Blair.

Unless we shock the draft and go with Cassipi.

idioteque
06-17-2009, 03:56 PM
Unless we shock the draft and go with Cassipi.

I kinda like Cassipi but I'd hope we would just trade down.

OakMoses
06-17-2009, 04:05 PM
I just read that most observers thought Clark looked better in the workout. I don't have a link, but it was from a NJ paper.

ESutt7
06-17-2009, 04:13 PM
I just read that most observers thought Clark looked better in the workout. I don't have a link, but it was from a NJ paper.

If Clark goes that early than someone very interesting could fall to us...

Gamble1
06-17-2009, 04:19 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59875/20090617/nets_looking_at_johnson_clark/



JJ may not be there for us.

I would rather draft a 4 that thought of himself as a 4 and not a 3.

ESutt7
06-17-2009, 04:26 PM
I would rather draft a 4 that thought of himself as a 4 and not a 3.

Unfortunately that leaves you with Blair or Hansbrough. I definitely hear you though, that's one of my concerns. I just like TBird's analysis of how he could fit in with our roster.

Jonathan
06-17-2009, 04:28 PM
I kinda like Cassipi but I'd hope we would just trade down.

I just think a lot of teams are looking to trade down as well and they have higher picks than us Toronto, Charlotte & New Jersey.

jhondog28
06-17-2009, 04:29 PM
Man there is just something about Hansborough that intrigues me, but I think we could trade down to get him. You want to talk about bringing in a winner too. I like Blair a lot though also so I am not sure.

d_c
06-17-2009, 05:12 PM
Man there is just something about Hansborough that intrigues me, but I think we could trade down to get him. You want to talk about bringing in a winner too.

Being a winner at the NCAA level and being a winner at the NBA level are two different things. Just ask Mateen Cleaves, Ed O'bannon, Juan Dixon, Miles Simon, Scotty Thurman and Rumeal Robinson (among others).

There are certainly reasons you might want Hansbrough on your team, but winning a bunch of games and awards in the NCAA shouldn't be the reasons you want him. That stuff doesn't matter anymore.

rexnom
06-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Being a winner at the NCAA level and being a winner at the NBA level are two different things. Just ask Mateen Cleaves, Ed O'bannon, Juan Dixon, Miles Simon, Scotty Thurman and Rumeal Robinson (among others).

There are certainly reasons you might want Hansbrough on your team, but winning a bunch of games and awards in the NCAA shouldn't be the reasons you want him. That stuff doesn't matter anymore.
Has there ever been a guy that has won individual accolades (i.e. Naismith and Wooden) and done well in the tournament that has not panned out in the pros?

count55
06-17-2009, 05:27 PM
Has there ever been a guy that has won individual accolades (i.e. Naismith and Wooden) and done well in the tournament that has not panned out in the pros?

Depends on what you think of the careers of guys like Lionel Simmons, Walter Berry, Scott May, Christian Laettner, Danny Ferry, and JJ Redick.

Tom White
06-17-2009, 05:32 PM
Being a winner at the NCAA level and being a winner at the NBA level are two different things. Just ask Mateen Cleaves, Ed O'bannon, Juan Dixon, Miles Simon, Scotty Thurman and Rumeal Robinson (among others).

There are certainly reasons you might want Hansbrough on your team, but winning a bunch of games and awards in the NCAA shouldn't be the reasons you want him. That stuff doesn't matter anymore.

Sure it matters. It doesn't make a player a sure thing, but it matters.

It may not be the be-all end-all, but most of the great NBA players have had just the collegiate success that you are speaking of. There are reasons for players being a part of a successful team, and winning awards. You don't see many failures at the college level go on to have great NBA careers. I mean, name the last guy whose college team only won ten or twelve games that went on to NBA success.

d_c
06-17-2009, 05:35 PM
Has there ever been a guy that has won individual accolades (i.e. Naismith and Wooden) and done well in the tournament that has not panned out in the pros?

Ed O'bannon won a bunch of individual awards. He basically destroyed everything in his path in his senior year at UCLA and carried his team to the championship. JJ Redick was a Wooden award winner, I believe.

Sean May, Mateen Cleaves and Miles Simon were all named Most Oustanding Player in the tournamounts they led their college teams to championships in. I'm sure those guys were named to All American teams as well.

d_c
06-17-2009, 05:49 PM
It may not be the be-all end-all, but most of the great NBA players have had just the collegiate success that you are speaking of.

None of Shaq's LSU teams ever came close to making the Final 4. I don't believe Duncan's Wake Forrest team ever made the Final 4 either. And these are the two most dominant bigmen of the recent era with several NBA Finals MVPs between them, and both those guys stayed 3 and 4 years respectively.

Chauncey Billups' Colorado teams only ever made the NCAA tournamount one time, and I don't think they made much noise.

And I know this is getting a bit off topic, but if you take a look at the 6 best players in this year's NBA Finals, all those guys had a combined 1 year of NCAA experience, with the 1 year coming from that great scholar named Lamar Odom.

wjs
06-17-2009, 05:53 PM
Has Earl Clark worked out for the Pacers? Or did they travel to see him somewhere else?

Johnson and Blair might be the ones gone by #13, and Clark may be the pick.

I hope it is one of these 3 anyway.

pwee31
06-17-2009, 06:10 PM
I don't see the Pacers drafting anyone they didn't bring in for a workout. If they do, that player is probably getting traded like Bayless

PR07
06-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Hopefully, it's Clark because I don't want him.

ESutt7
06-17-2009, 07:11 PM
Clark has not been brought in for a workout, and I haven't read anything about him being scheduled. So I don't think he's on our radar. Based on what Morway said about Williams in another thread, it could be our brass just wasn't impressed with the kids from the 'Ville.

DrFife
06-17-2009, 09:16 PM
Clark has not been brought in for a workout, and I haven't read anything about him being scheduled. So I don't think he's on our radar. Based on what Morway said about Williams in another thread, it could be our brass just wasn't impressed with the kids from the 'Ville.

TPTB may have seen him plenty throughout the year, so we'll see, we'll see ... .

BlueNGold
06-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Whoever the Nets pick will probably be good. They are a well run org.

If they are really looking at Johnson and Clark...we should be paying attention.

PacerGuy
06-17-2009, 10:15 PM
Whoever the Nets pick will probably be good. They are a well run org.

If they are really looking at Johnson and Clark...we should be paying attention.

Then again, they are picking 12th - one worse then us.

count55
06-17-2009, 10:18 PM
Then again, they are picking 12th - one worse then us.

11th

PacerGuy
06-17-2009, 10:23 PM
11th

even better...errrr .... worse! ;)

(:blush:)

avoidingtheclowns
06-18-2009, 09:56 AM
TPTB may have seen him plenty throughout the year, so we'll see, we'll see ... .

Also remember JOB's friendship with Patino. I'd guess the Pacers have plenty of insider info about both these cats.

Naptown_Seth
06-18-2009, 06:52 PM
None of Shaq's LSU teams ever came close to making the Final 4. I don't believe Duncan's Wake Forrest team ever made the Final 4 either. And these are the two most dominant bigmen of the recent era with several NBA Finals MVPs between them, and both those guys stayed 3 and 4 years respectively.

Chauncey Billups' Colorado teams only ever made the NCAA tournamount one time, and I don't think they made much noise.

And I know this is getting a bit off topic, but if you take a look at the 6 best players in this year's NBA Finals, all those guys had a combined 1 year of NCAA experience, with the 1 year coming from that great scholar named Lamar Odom.
:mib:
Yeah, but how can you overlook Granger's back to back Final Fours.