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dipperdunk
07-06-2004, 07:11 PM
you know which site has the box scores for the summer league games. So here it is. :blush: The kid Pat Riley grabbed Dorrell Wright had 30 today.

http://www.proexposure.com/

bulletproof
07-06-2004, 07:55 PM
You know your a degenerate when...

you don't know the difference between you're and your. :unimpressed: ;)

Kegboy
07-06-2004, 08:08 PM
Yep, I was gonna get on there right after this.

And dd, don't pay attention to the anal-retentive grammar freaks. It's too depressing to think about all the issues they must have. Probably not held enough as infants, or something. It's sad, really. :shakehead:
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bulletproof
07-06-2004, 10:27 PM
Yep, I was gonna get on there right after this.

And dd, don't pay attention to the anal-retentive grammar freaks. It's too depressing to think about all the issues they must have. Probably not held enough as infants, or something.

Or grew up in a household where the basic tenets of english grammar were taught. :loser:

beast23
07-06-2004, 10:36 PM
You know your a degenerate when...

you don't know the difference between you're and your. :unimpressed: ;)

Or.....
then and than or....
they're and their and there or......
to and too and two

MagicRat
07-06-2004, 10:39 PM
Does it make you a degenerate if you bookmark the degenerate's link and refer to it often?

Does it make you a degenerate if you find the following stuff actually interesting?

Dwight Howard with a strong 1-13 start....
Luke Jackson 9-17 from the field for 19 pts. with 6 assists, 4 rebounds and 4 steals.....
The Bobcats dismantled the Raptors, even without their dominating man in the middle, Peanut Butter....

efx
07-07-2004, 08:59 AM
You know your a degenerate when...

you don't know the difference between you're and your. :unimpressed: ;)

Or.....
then and than or....
they're and their and there or......
to and too and two


And my personal favorite:

Should of instead of Should have

ABADays
07-07-2004, 09:06 AM
I've never seen Larry post on here!!!

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 09:59 AM
Although this "your / you're" thing is one of my pet peeves, I probably wouldn't have ever mentioned it on here previously if it weren't for the hilarious Kenny Smith/ Charles Barkley discussion of the same topic.

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 10:23 AM
There used to be a rampant "lose/loose" problem on the board, but that seems to have died down a bit........

Snickers
07-07-2004, 10:38 AM
But the Pacers/Pacer's misplaced apostrophe epidemic is still in full swing.

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 10:51 AM
But the Pacers/Pacer's misplaced apostrophe epidemic is still in full swing.

Although I have certain grammatical pet peeves, don't forget that I am from Greenwood and really, grammar ain't our thing. So I have to be re-learned of some rules.

Which is correct?

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 10:52 AM
LMAO at Btown. :laugh:

Unclebuck
07-07-2004, 11:13 AM
But the Pacers/Pacer's misplaced apostrophe epidemic is still in full swing.


Wouldn't the correct usage be Pacers'

I suppose it matters if Pacers is singular or plural

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 11:18 AM
But the Pacers/Pacer's misplaced apostrophe epidemic is still in full swing.


Wouldn't the correct usage be Pacers'

I suppose it matters if Pacers is singular or plural



That's what I was thinking...

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 11:27 AM
http://www.wheaton.edu/learnres/writectr/Resources/apostrophe.htm

To indicate possession
When something belongs to someone or something, show the relationship between them by using an apostrophe and an ending s. For example, if the ball belongs to Jim, write:

That is Jim's ball.

If the person or object ends in s, adding an additional s after the apostrophe is optional. A good rule of thumb is that singular nouns take an s while plural nouns do not.

The census's results are inconclusive.
The books' bindings are in need of repair.

Suaveness
07-07-2004, 11:37 AM
But the Pacers/Pacer's misplaced apostrophe epidemic is still in full swing.


Wouldn't the correct usage be Pacers'

I suppose it matters if Pacers is singular or plural



Yeah I think. Since Pacers is singular, it might be Pacers's...but who knows


Sa ne :shrug:

bulletproof
07-07-2004, 11:42 AM
Yeah I think. Since Pacers is singular, it might be Pacers's...but who knows


Sa ne :shrug:

Pacers's :lol2:

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 11:44 AM
Let's try this...

Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life.

Rick Carlisle coaches the Pacers.

I like to watch Pacers' games.


Agree/ Disagree?

Unclebuck
07-07-2004, 11:44 AM
So if I were to say the Pacers best player is Artest. The correct way to write that is Pacers's.

What if I say I went to a Pacers game last night. What is the correct way to write that.

Snickers
07-07-2004, 11:46 AM
http://www.wheaton.edu/learnres/writectr/Resources/apostrophe.htm

To indicate possession
When something belongs to someone or something, show the relationship between them by using an apostrophe and an ending s. For example, if the ball belongs to Jim, write:

That is Jim's ball.

If the person or object ends in s, adding an additional s after the apostrophe is optional. A good rule of thumb is that singular nouns take an s while plural nouns do not.

The census's results are inconclusive.
The books' bindings are in need of repair.



:worship:

Possessive: "That is btown's monkey."
Plural: "When btown and his monkey are left alone, baby btowns appear."

I've pissed off a lot of friends by arguing over that one. :laugh: And don't forget the its/it's debate. To quote Strong Bad,

"If you want it to be possessive, it's just I-T-S, but if it's supposed to be a contraction, it's I-T-apostrophe-S. Scalawag."

Snickers
07-07-2004, 12:09 PM
Let's try this...

Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life.

Yup.

Rick Carlisle coaches the Pacers.

Yup.

I like to watch Pacers' games.

In this case, you should use "Pacers" as an adjectival label, as in "What kind of game was it? It was a Pacers game."

It's a game involving a group of Pacers [plural], thus "I like to watch Pacers games."

But I'm pretty sure nobody would correct you if you were to use "Pacers' game;" they'd be overwhelmed by your incredible knowledge of possessive apostrophe placement. :D Except on here, now that the topic has been discussed.

edit: If you say "I like to watch the Pacers' games," that's correct, since you're specifying who/what the games belong to, and Pacers' therefore becomes possessive.
Agree/ Disagree?


So if I were to say the Pacers best player is Artest. The correct way to write that is Pacers's.

"The Pacers' best player is Jermaine O'neal." because Pacers is plural and ends in s. If it were singular and ended in s, like census, Travis, etc., it would have an extra s after the apostrophe.

What if I say I went to a Pacers game last night. What is the correct way to write that.

You got it. "Pacers game," since Pacers is used as an adjectival label to desribe what kind of game it was.

BillS
07-07-2004, 12:15 PM
Style usage differs. Classical grammar states that the posessive of any noun ending in "s" is created by using the apostrophe after the "s" - Pacers' in this case.

However, at least one style manual (I don't think it's Strunk and White, I think it is Chicago) states that if the noun is singular it may be OK to use an "'s" after it - Pacers's, for example.

Compound this with the changes in usage of whether a team name in general is plural or singular, and whether a team name ending in "s" is treated the same way, and you have a huge ball of wax.

My personal manual of style says:

Team name: Indiana Pacers
Treatment: plural ("The Pacers have signed Joe Blow.")
Possessive: Pacers'
Adjective form: singular(!) ("I went to a Pacer game last night")

It has no consistency, since I use Hawks as plural in all cases ("I went to a Hawks game last night") - however, the one consistency is that the team name is not posessive in the adjective form - the Hawks and Pacers don't necessarily own the game, the team name is an adjective describing what kind of game I went to.

The Grammar Policeman says, "Nothing to see here. You can go about your business."

Hicks
07-07-2004, 12:29 PM
Surely everyone knew the possessive was Pacers' , right? Riiiight? *echo*

Netweeny
07-07-2004, 12:33 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:

Hicks
07-07-2004, 12:38 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


It is pretty sad.

Snickers
07-07-2004, 12:42 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


It is pretty sad.

:shakehead:

Hicks
07-07-2004, 12:44 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


It is pretty sad.

:shakehead:


You disapprove of me? :laugh:

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 12:51 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:



http://www.k12.wa.us/curriculuminstruct/writing/frameworks/conventions.aspx?printable=true

Actually, it's 3rd grade......(at least in the state of Washington).....

Ultimate Frisbee
07-07-2004, 12:53 PM
Hey, I hate to break up the grammar-fest, but I thought it interesting that Luke Jackson had a great game...

33 Luke Jackson 34 min 19pts 9 fg 17 fga 1 3P 2 3PA 4 rebs 6 Assists 4 PF 4 steals 2 TO

Snickers
07-07-2004, 12:57 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


It is pretty sad.

:shakehead:


You disapprove of me? :laugh:

I don't know, really. There are just some things I need to think about.... it's not you, it's me. :cry:

Hicks
07-07-2004, 12:57 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


It is pretty sad.

:shakehead:


You disapprove of me? :laugh:

I don't know, really. There are just some things I need to think about.... it's not you, it's me. :cry:

God damn you Snickers, don't play games with my heart! :mad: :cry:

dipperdunk
07-07-2004, 01:05 PM
Wow, next time I will make sure to check for errors before clicking on submit. :laugh:

I know the difference between your and you're. I just made an error when typing the post.

"To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish."- Ben Franklin

Hicks
07-07-2004, 01:12 PM
You go right on saying it the wrong way, dipper. Just to spice things up around here :laugh:

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 01:18 PM
You go right on saying it the wrong way, dipper. Just to spice things up around here :laugh:

Yeah, feel free to go on saying it the wrong way. Just make sure you type it properly when you post......:p

Hicks
07-07-2004, 01:21 PM
You go right on saying it the wrong way, dipper. Just to spice things up around here :laugh:

Yeah, feel free to go on saying it the wrong way. Just make sure you type it properly when you post......:p



Curses! :mad:

Snickers
07-07-2004, 01:24 PM
You go right on saying it the wrong way, dipper. Just to spice things up around here :laugh:

Yeah, feel free to go on saying it the wrong way. Just make sure you type it properly when you post......:p



Curses! :mad:

Curse's! :mad:

bulletproof
07-07-2004, 01:28 PM
Style usage differs. Classical grammar states that the posessive of any noun ending in "s" is created by using the apostrophe after the "s" - Pacers' in this case.

However, at least one style manual (I don't think it's Strunk and White, I think it is Chicago) states that if the noun is singular it may be OK to use an "'s" after it - Pacers's, for example.

Compound this with the changes in usage of whether a team name in general is plural or singular, and whether a team name ending in "s" is treated the same way, and you have a huge ball of wax.

My personal manual of style says:

Team name: Indiana Pacers
Treatment: plural ("The Pacers have signed Joe Blow.")
Possessive: Pacers'
Adjective form: singular(!) ("I went to a Pacer game last night")


Actually "Pacers" is a collective noun, so "I went to a Pacer game last night" and "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" are both incorrect.

Kegboy
07-07-2004, 01:49 PM
Style usage differs. Classical grammar states that the posessive of any noun ending in "s" is created by using the apostrophe after the "s" - Pacers' in this case.

However, at least one style manual (I don't think it's Strunk and White, I think it is Chicago) states that if the noun is singular it may be OK to use an "'s" after it - Pacers's, for example.

Compound this with the changes in usage of whether a team name in general is plural or singular, and whether a team name ending in "s" is treated the same way, and you have a huge ball of wax.

My personal manual of style says:

Team name: Indiana Pacers
Treatment: plural ("The Pacers have signed Joe Blow.")
Possessive: Pacers'
Adjective form: singular(!) ("I went to a Pacer game last night")


Actually "Pacers" is a collective noun, so "I went to a Pacer game last night" and "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" are both incorrect.





Reggie Miller is a Pacers for life???

:confused: :suicide:
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Hicks
07-07-2004, 02:04 PM
Even if that's correct, I'm never going to say it that way. Sometimes the proper way just "sounds wrong".

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 02:51 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:



Actually, it's 3rd grade......(at least in the state of Washington).....



Not for us Greenwood grads. That doesn't come until at least eighth-grade advanced english. :dunce:

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 02:56 PM
Style usage differs. Classical grammar states that the posessive of any noun ending in "s" is created by using the apostrophe after the "s" - Pacers' in this case.

However, at least one style manual (I don't think it's Strunk and White, I think it is Chicago) states that if the noun is singular it may be OK to use an "'s" after it - Pacers's, for example.

Compound this with the changes in usage of whether a team name in general is plural or singular, and whether a team name ending in "s" is treated the same way, and you have a huge ball of wax.

My personal manual of style says:

Team name: Indiana Pacers
Treatment: plural ("The Pacers have signed Joe Blow.")
Possessive: Pacers'
Adjective form: singular(!) ("I went to a Pacer game last night")


Actually "Pacers" is a collective noun, so "I went to a Pacer game last night" and "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" are both incorrect.





Because Pacers is collective and Reggie Miller is singular, I'm sticking with my original "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" interpretation. Now, I'd agree with you if we said "Reggie Miller is a member of the Pacers for life." But we wouldn't say "Reggie Miller is a members of the Pacers for life" would we?

:confused:

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 03:04 PM
You know you're a degenerate when you hijack a perfectly good thread and turn it into a 5th grade grammar discussion. :dunce: :apple:


Actually, it's 3rd grade......(at least in the state of Washington).....



Not for us Greenwood grads. That doesn't come until at least eighth-grade advanced english. :dunce:

http://www.indianastandards.org/standardDetails2.asp?subj=eng&grade=4&std=Standard+6&ID=54

After some research, it appears that it's a 4th grade subject in Indiana.:blush:

bulletproof
07-07-2004, 03:15 PM
Because Pacers is collective and Reggie Miller is singular, I'm sticking with my original "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" interpretation. Now, I'd agree with you if we said "Reggie Miller is a member of the Pacers for life." But we wouldn't say "Reggie Miller is a members of the Pacers for life" would we?

:confused:

If my last name ended with an "s" (i.e. Hicks) and I said, "I will always be a Hick," or "I am a Hick," or "Once a Hick, always a Hick," it wouldn't be correct. It's Hicks. Not Hick. Regardless of context. So, if you wanted to be grammatically correct you would simply have to find another way to say, "Reggie Miller is a Pacer for life" if you didn't like how "Reggie Miller is a Pacers for life" sounded.

Hicks
07-07-2004, 03:27 PM
This is as good of a time as any to point out, that if anyone ever wondered if Hicks is my real name in any way, it's in fact not. :)

MagicRat
07-07-2004, 03:40 PM
This is as good of a time as any to point out, that if anyone ever wondered if Hicks is my real name in any way, it's in fact not. :)


Thanks for the info, Corporal......

Hicks
07-07-2004, 03:54 PM
This is as good of a time as any to point out, that if anyone ever wondered if Hicks is my real name in any way, it's in fact not. :)


Thanks for the info, Corporal......



"It's the only way to be sure"

beast23
07-07-2004, 06:16 PM
This is as good of a time as any to point out, that if anyone ever wondered if Hicks is my real name in any way, it's in fact not. :)So basically, if I were to say that you are a hick, I could possibly be correct?

Sorry, couldn't resist. :laugh:

SoupIsGood
07-07-2004, 06:54 PM
This thread is now damned to hell.

Kegboy
07-07-2004, 08:53 PM
This is as good of a time as any to point out, that if anyone ever wondered if Hicks is my real name in any way, it's in fact not. :)

Alright Mal.

Or, is it Inara? :blush:
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I like shooting guards that can shoot.
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Kegboy
07-07-2004, 08:56 PM
You know, I think we all need to bombard Conrad Brunner with emails until he's forced to settle this issue once and for all in QotD.

:cool:
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I like shooting guards that can shoot.
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Hicks
07-07-2004, 10:11 PM
Malinara, thank you very much! :snobby: :D

Kegboy
07-07-2004, 10:17 PM
Malinara, thank you very much! :snobby: :D


Huh, never figured you for a transexual. :p

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I like shooting guards that can shoot.
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Hicks
07-07-2004, 10:42 PM
http://www.musicman.com/big/rocky.gif

See you this Saturday, boys! :laugh:

ChicagoJ
07-07-2004, 11:20 PM
Oh my. :o

Snickers
07-08-2004, 01:54 AM
:eyebrow:

Suaveness
07-08-2004, 10:22 AM
Shoot forget it, I'm not coming anymore. :shudder:

Kegboy
07-08-2004, 10:43 AM
Shoot forget it, I'm not coming anymore. :shudder:

Me neither.

:zip:

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I like shooting guards that can shoot.
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