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Doddage
06-10-2009, 05:02 PM
Per Chad Ford's latest mock draft. Of course one probably shouldn't make too much of this (he does only say "possibility", after all), but I figured it was worth discussing anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090610


Analysis: As we've been reporting since draft lottery night, the Wizards continue to shop the pick. A source in Washington told me that they've had a number of interesting offers. Their goal is to get back a veteran who can play right now and to shed a few million dollars off their cap if possible.

A number of teams including the Knicks, Mavericks, Rockets and Pacers are all possibilities here. If they keep the pick, they'll have a tough choice between Harden and Hill. From the intel I've received, it sounds as though Harden may be slightly ahead.

Will Galen
06-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Per Chad Ford's latest mock draft. Of course one probably shouldn't make too much of this (he does only say "possibility", after all), but I figured it was worth discussing anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090610

I read that earlier and went to ESPN's trade machine, but I just don't see how we could make a deal with the Wiz. One of our problems is we have no players that we want to lose that have cheap contracts. A sign and trade could balance a trade I guess. Graham or McBob.

Dr. Awesome
06-10-2009, 05:16 PM
I really don't see anything outside of Rush/Hibbert/Granger that would get us the #5 pick. The only possibility I can see, is if they want a future pick, in a strong draft.

The only way I could see it working is if they pick who we want at #5, then we select who they want at #13, then trade that guy with next years 1st for #5.

I really wouldn't wanna trade a future pick UNLESS we get Jrue Holiday, outside that I'd rather just stay at #13. Tyreke Evans might also be OK if and only if he becomes a full time PG. I wouldn't wanna use the #5 on a SG.

idioteque
06-10-2009, 05:40 PM
#5 in this draft? Haha, no thanks, I like where we are at 13.

Young
06-10-2009, 06:02 PM
I am sure that Larry has called and asked about what it would take to get the pick but I doubt the Pacers have what the Wizards want. Unless the Wizards really want Tinsley or maybe Mike Dunleavy I don't see anything happening.

I wonder who it is the Pacers would take with that pick though.

PR07
06-10-2009, 06:26 PM
I don't think it would be worth it. The team would really, really have to like Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holiday, or Stephen Curry, because everyone else (that fills a need) appears to have a good chance of falling to us.

SoupIsGood
06-10-2009, 06:57 PM
The only way I can see this happening if if TPTB are convinced that Hibbert won't ever be a starter for a contender, and so they want to try to parlay him and our pick and whatever other trade-bait we have into a higher pick.

I didn't watch Hibbert enough this year to know if that's a conclusion they should be making.

Tiny Archibald
06-10-2009, 07:08 PM
If TBTP were to trade up to #5 for Holiday, I'd probably have to
formally disown my now 40+ year long, undying Pacer loyalty.

Even in this mediocre draft, that's way to high for him.

Coop
06-10-2009, 07:20 PM
We better be getting Hill, Harden, or Evans if we're trading up that high. Other than that, it's not worth it. I'm to the point where I'd rather trade out of this draft. I just don't see a whole lot that will make us significantly better.

Dr. Awesome
06-10-2009, 07:20 PM
If TBTP were to trade up to #5 for Holiday, I'd probably have to
formally disown my now 40+ year long, undying Pacer loyalty.

Even in this mediocre draft, that's way to high for him.

I disagree. Holiday has a lot of potential and the fact that he will be a lockdown defender at the PG position is enough for me to be happy with him.

Having a Holiday/Rush/Granger rotation would be awesome defensively.

Trophy
06-10-2009, 07:46 PM
We should just stick to #13. There's still players available that would do well with us.

MillerTime
06-10-2009, 08:00 PM
I'd be happy with the 5th pick, this will probably land us Evans. But we really dont have expirers like Dallas (Stackhouse and Howard), NY (Duhon and Hughes), or Houston (TMac, Barry, Landry)....

We're probably not in the front running for the 5th pick

owl
06-10-2009, 08:05 PM
The only way I can see this happening if if TPTB are convinced that Hibbert won't ever be a starter for a contender, and so they want to try to parlay him and our pick and whatever other trade-bait we have into a higher pick.

I didn't watch Hibbert enough this year to know if that's a conclusion they should be making.


I would be shocked if Hibbert was traded away. The Pacers need more bigs not less.

pwee31
06-10-2009, 08:06 PM
I can't really see anything we have to offer the Wizards besides the 13th pick... but the Knicks could offer the 8th?

There's rumors the Mavs might be offering Josh Howard, but Caron Butler plays the same position?

I wouldn't expect the Pacers to be able to make a deal the Wiz would like, and I personally don't see the point of giving up a lot to move up to #5

I think Tyreke Evans is gone to the Kings at #4 is Rubio doesn't fall there.

Jordan Hill may be the reason the Pacers try to move up. I guess Holiday may be an option, but I don't see that being the case.

Part of me could see Curry being the pick here as well.

Never been a fan of Harden

MyFavMartin
06-10-2009, 08:11 PM
JH at SG, CB at SF

pwee31
06-10-2009, 10:15 PM
JH at SG, CB at SF

Arenas, Howard, Butler, AND Jamison

That's a lot of touches needed on a team without a true PG

MyFavMartin
06-10-2009, 10:28 PM
That's a lot of touches needed on a team without a true PG

Agreed.

That's why they need Tinsley. ;)

CableKC
06-10-2009, 10:39 PM
I think the Mavs have the best shot to get the 5th Pick....they can send Stackhouse while absorbing one of their Non-All-Star 2 year contracts.

Trader Joe
06-10-2009, 10:56 PM
Last time the Mavs got the number 5 pick from the Wiz they got a pretty good player, then they kinda, sorta traded him right before he became an all star. Oopsy-daisy!

Los Angeles
06-10-2009, 11:07 PM
we should be taking to every team, pursuing every possibility.

NashvilleKat
06-10-2009, 11:32 PM
I am sure that Larry has called and asked about what it would take to get the pick but I doubt the Pacers have what the Wizards want. Unless the Wizards really want Tinsley or maybe Mike Dunleavy I don't see anything happening.

I wonder who it is the Pacers would take with that pick though.


Pacers might give up Foster for #5 pick, especially of we can land Hill.

ESutt7
06-11-2009, 12:15 AM
Who does Ford have us taking at 13 now?

MillerTime
06-11-2009, 01:58 AM
Who does Ford have us taking at 13 now?

Ford has us taking Flynn and has Blair going at #16 to Bulls. I'd rather take Blair than Flynn (if Blair is available). I think whatever Flynn can bring to the Pacers, Ford can also. Thats why I wouldnt be interested in another Ford-type player.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090519

rexnom
06-11-2009, 02:01 AM
Ford has us taking Flynn and has Blair going at #16 to Bulls. I'd rather take Blair than Flynn (if Blair is available). I think whatever Flynn can bring to the Pacers, Ford can also. Thats why I wouldnt be interested in another Ford-type player.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090519
I agree wholeheartedly. Flynn has a "dime a dozen" feel to him.

tadscout
06-11-2009, 03:53 AM
Ford has us taking Flynn and has Blair going at #16 to Bulls. I'd rather take Blair than Flynn (if Blair is available). I think whatever Flynn can bring to the Pacers, Ford can also. Thats why I wouldnt be interested in another Ford-type player.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090519

That Mock is out of date.. that was his first one (see dated may 20th)

Latest (June 10) Mock Draft (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090610) (need to be insider to see 6-30)...

Here's the Pacers-
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/draft2009/headshots/19214.jpgAustin Daye (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19214)
Position: SF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 192
Age: 20
School: Gonzaga
Analysis: The Pacers' biggest need is an athletic big man who can score and block shots. Unfortunately, there aren't any of those guys in the draft this year. They are also looking for a starting point guard. But if the draft plays out like this, the Pacers would have to reach.
The good news is that Daye could be a great fit, especially if they start playing Danny Granger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2760) more at the 4. Daye's shooting ability and upside remind some of, dare we say, Jonathan Bender (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=50).
They'll also give a long look to Jennings and Jeff Teague here.

BKK
06-11-2009, 04:51 AM
I'd be happy if Jennings falls to us

Eindar
06-11-2009, 08:29 AM
That Mock is out of date.. that was his first one (see dated may 20th)

Latest (June 10) Mock Draft (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090610) (need to be insider to see 6-30)...

Here's the Pacers-
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/draft2009/headshots/19214.jpgAustin Daye (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19214)
Position: SF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 192
Age: 20
School: Gonzaga
Analysis: The Pacers' biggest need is an athletic big man who can score and block shots. Unfortunately, there aren't any of those guys in the draft this year. They are also looking for a starting point guard. But if the draft plays out like this, the Pacers would have to reach.
The good news is that Daye could be a great fit, especially if they start playing Danny Granger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2760) more at the 4. Daye's shooting ability and upside remind some of, dare we say, Jonathan Bender (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=50).
They'll also give a long look to Jennings and Jeff Teague here.

I think Ford is crazy if he thinks we pass Jennings to take Daye. I wouldn't be upset if we took Daye, I think he's got a lot of potential (and I'm still a huge Jonathan Bender fan), but so does Jennings, and at least with him, you don't have to figure out how his body is going to adapt to the NBA.

Hicks
06-11-2009, 10:43 AM
But Chad Ford, why the hell would we want to play our All-Star swingman SF MORE at the power forward position? Yeesh.

d_c
06-11-2009, 10:54 AM
I'd be happy if Jennings falls to us

A lot of people right now poke holes over him, but come draft day, I guarantee you 98% of this board would be absolutely thrilled with getting Jennings at #13.

MillerTime
06-11-2009, 11:11 AM
A lot of people right now poke holes over him, but come draft day, I guarantee you 98% of this board would be absolutely thrilled with getting Jennings at #13.

I'd be absoluely thrilled to have picked up Jennings at #13, but I dont think he'll remain on the Pacers. If we did draft him at #13, I could see the Pacers moving him like Bayless.

I would only be thrilled to get Jennings to see what kind of deal we could work out with another team

naptownmenace
06-11-2009, 11:11 AM
We better be getting Hill, Harden, or Evans if we're trading up that high. Other than that, it's not worth it. I'm to the point where I'd rather trade out of this draft. I just don't see a whole lot that will make us significantly better.

Yep. That's the only reason to trade up, IMO. If Washington selcts Harden, Evans, or especially Rubio (I doubt Harden and or Rubio will still be on the board at #5), it would definitely make sense to work out a trade. I don't think Jordan Hill will be picked that early and could be had between picks 7-10 so the Pacers wouldn't necessarily need the #5 spot to get him.

The Pacers main trading chips, that Washington might be interested in, are probably Foster and a future 1st or the 13th pick in this draft.

They might have some interest in Tinsley although they'd probably demand the 13th pick in this draft, a future 1st, and we'd probably have to take one of their bums to take him off our hands.

eldubious
06-12-2009, 11:49 PM
Curry has shut down workouts after working out with the Wizards. Whoever trades with Washington is targeting Curry.

Sherlock
06-13-2009, 07:21 AM
I am guessing if we are trading up, we are picking Jordan Hill.
After all, a post player is what we depserately need.
Arizona vs Houston, a nice game racap, where Jordan Hill played a huge game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNDB7qG84

Gamble1
06-13-2009, 10:08 AM
I am guessing if we are trading up, we are picking Jordan Hill.
After all, a post player is what we depserately need.
Arizona vs Houston, a nice game racap, where Jordan Hill played a huge game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkNDB7qG84

I think it would be HIll or Evans. On one hand we got a coach who wants bigger point guards and more athelitism. On the other hand we have Bird wanting an additional post threat which Hill could possibly provide.

If and thats a Big "if" we get the 5th pick I would project we are selecting either Hill or Evans. I only watched Hill a little bit this year but I wasn't impressed with his game. He almost looked like he didn't have a good basketball I.Q.

If we traded the point guard I would be happy to land Evans.

owl
06-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Curry has shut down workouts after working out with the Wizards. Whoever trades with Washington is targeting Curry.

Pacers have Curry coming in for a workout.

Mr. Sobchak
06-13-2009, 11:00 AM
Pacers have Curry coming in for a workout.

Not anymore. He really did shut down his workouts.


Edit: Maybe not - He at least canceled his Minnesota workout...

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25453/stephen_curry_not_shutting_down_workouts


Despite reports to the contrary, Stephen Curry says he is not shutting down his NBA draft workouts.
...
CL: Last time we talked before the Bobcats workout, you'd mentioned some other teams. Has your workout schedule started to take shape between now, after the Knicks, and the draft? Who else are you getting ready to workout for?
SC: The Washington one is set, and after that it's still open. We're in talks with a lot of teams trying to get the right schedule going for the last week and a half. Beyond Tuesday in Washington, I don't have anything set yet.

pwee31
06-13-2009, 01:03 PM
Pacers have Curry coming in for a workout.

Really? Do you know when?