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vnzla81
06-08-2009, 09:47 PM
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The Great White Hype

Maybe they meant the next Bird, based on how Larry would play today?
Magic Johnson once said, “There will never, eva be another Larry Bird.” Tell that to the media. Every couple of years, a successful white player enters the NBA and instantly becomes anointed as the second coming of Larry Legend (I’m looking at you, Tyler Hansbrough). Forget about Bird’s underrated court vision, defensive anticipation, leadership, and downright cockiness — the only prerequisite for drawing a comparison to the legend is being tall and Caucasian. While some players, such as Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Mullin, carved out Hall of Fame-worthy careers in Bird’s shadow (even Tom Chambers had five 20-point seasons), most haven’t fared quite so well. Here’s a look at the ten worst players who were once labeled as “The Next Larry Bird.”

1. Adam Morrison: A 6′8″ white guy with floppy hair and a prebubescent mustache is bound to draw comparisons to Bird. Morrison averaged 11.8 points per game as a rookie on 38% shooting, placing him last among regulars in John Hollinger’s PER rankings. After missing the entire 2007/08 season with a torn ACL, he was traded to the Lakers because he “couldn’t handle the pressure” of being the third pick — completely out of character for a man who once cried on the court. Morrison averaged 1.3 points in six minutes per game for Los Angeles.

2. Andrew Gaze: The greatest Australian baller this side of Luc Longley was cut by the Sonics in favor of the legendary Scott Meents in 1990, and went on to play 26 games in the NBA with the Bullets and Spurs, scoring 46 points — total (1.7 per game). He was given a championship ring by the Spurs despite being left off the playoff roster 1999, putting him somewhere between Jack Haley and Darko Milicic on the all-time undeserved ring recipients list. But according to Donn Nelson, Gaze has “the full international package,” which if nothing else makes him the Aussie Dirk Diggler.

3. Eric Montross: Prior to the 1994 Draft, Boston general manager M.L. Carr said the 7′0″ stiff was “cut from the same cloth” as Larry Legend. Yes, that Eric Montross, who put up 12 points, seven rebounds, and zero three-point attempts at UNC. Even more remarkable is the fact that Bird himself was working as a Celtics special assistant and gave him a strong evalutation. Montross averaged 4.9 points, 4.6 rebounds, 0.6 blocks over 11 seasons, and Carr’s Celtics won 35, 33, and a franchise-worst 15 games in his three seasons as GM and head coach.

4. Danny Ferry: You know it’s a sad day when Danny Ferry comes in fourth on a “worst” list. After refusing to play for the Clippers, Ferry signed an absurd 10-year, $37 million contract with the Cavs, and averaged seven points and three rebounds per game in 13 seasons. He was tall, painfully slow, and had an ugly lean-in set shot. While Bird wasn’t afraid to fight Julius Erving and Bill Laimbeer, Ferry’s career-defining moment was *****-slapping Marcus Camby and ducking behind Jeff Van Gundy to avoid a retaliatory roundhouse punch.

5. Austin Croshere: Croshere averaged career highs of 10.3 points and 6.4 rebounds in 1999/00 while playing under Bird in Indiana. He was rewarded with a cap-killing, seven-year, $51 million contract, making him the second highest-paid player on the conference champions. He predictably fell out of the Pacers’ rotation and never came close to living up to his contract. Shockingly, he’s still in the league, putting up 2.9 points and 2.3 rebounds in 14 games with the Bucks and Spurs last season.

6. Wally Szczerbiak: Once described as having a “Larry Bird game” along with “a Tom Cruise smile” (I feel a little dirty just writing that), Szczerbiak made one undeserved All-Star appearance in 2002. He’s since bounced around the league and put up career lows of seven points and 3.1 rebounds per game with Cleveland last season. But at least both Szczerbiak and Bird played for the Celtics and wore double digits on their jerseys, which is more than most of the other guys can say.

7. Troy Murphy: Murphy might’ve ranked higher had it not been for his career season in 2008/09, when he averaged 14.3 points (45% from beyond the arc), 11.2 rebounds (second in the NBA), and 2.4 assists. It’s probably no coincidence that Bird brought him to Indiana, either. While he’ll still never come close to Larry Legend territory, I should admint that I’ve had an inflated perception of Murphy ever since he demolished me in a high school pickup game.

8. Keith Van Horn: The second overall pick in 1997 had his best years with the Nets, even appearing on the cover of NBA Jam ‘99, before playing for four teams in his final four years in the league. Van Horn averaged 16 points per game for his career, and is best remembered for wearing high knee socks. While Bird had a guaranteed contract when he retired and forfeited his last two paychecks, Van Horn came out of “retirement” to accept $4.3 million to stay home. Because that $73 million contract he once signed couldn’t feed his family.

9. Mike Dunleavy Jr. / Mike Miller: After putting up 5.7 points per game as a rookie, Dunleavy shed the bust label by registering a career best 19.1 points in 2007/08. Last I checked, however, he’s still a Dukie. Miller is a solid role player and has established himself as a terrific long-range shooter. Then again, I can say the same things about Pat Garrity or Jason Kapono, who (hopefully) never drew Bird comparisons. Either way, I’m grouping Dunleavy and Miller together because they share their sisters’ hair bands.

10. Christian Laettner: Laettner never emerged into the superstar many expected, putting up 13.3 points per game and 6.9 rebounds per game for six teams. A one-time All-Star reserve in 1997, he was inexplicably selected to the 1992 Dream Team based on his collegiate accomplishments, leading Charles Barkley to note that “the only thing Christian Laettner has in common with Larry Bird is they both pee standing up.” Yep, that’s why we love you, Chuck.

Honorable Mention:

*Joe Alexander: It didn’t take long for Alexander to get compared to both Larry Bird and Jerry West in one ESPN telecast. This is just a classic example of announcer idiocy.

*Eric Piatkowski: I’m not sure if Piatkowski was ever actually referred to as a Bird heir, but it wouldn’t be surprising. I just wanted to show some love for “The Polish Rifle,” who was once fined for wearing his shorts too low. Dude’s as gangsta as Larry.

travmil
06-08-2009, 09:58 PM
My favorite was when Wes Unseld drafted Tom Gugliotta when he was with the Washington Bullets. A reporter asked Unseld if Googs could be compared with Bird and Unseld foolishly said "He's gonna be Big Bird".

Anthem
06-08-2009, 11:55 PM
Did E.Montross go to Lawrence North? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Shade
06-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Did E.Montross go to Lawrence North? Or am I thinking of someone else?

That's him.

Interesting that there are THREE Pacers on this list.

edc
06-09-2009, 12:58 AM
Scoop Jackson: There will be another michael jordan but there will never be another Larry Bird.

Anthem
06-09-2009, 01:01 AM
Interesting that there are THREE Pacers on this list.
I think we all noted that. Crazy.

Dr. Awesome
06-09-2009, 02:11 AM
I've never heard Tyler Hansbrough compared to Larry Bird - not sure why he'd even bring that up.

d_c
06-09-2009, 02:31 AM
10. Christian Laettner: Laettner never emerged into the superstar many expected, putting up 13.3 points per game and 6.9 rebounds per game for six teams. A one-time All-Star reserve in 1997, he was inexplicably selected to the 1992 Dream Team based on his collegiate accomplishments, leading Charles Barkley to note that “the only thing Christian Laettner has in common with Larry Bird is they both pee standing up.” Yep, that’s why we love you, Chuck.

Honorable Mention:

*Joe Alexander: It didn’t take long for Alexander to get compared to both Larry Bird and Jerry West in one ESPN telecast. This is just a classic example of announcer idiocy.


It should be noted:

1. I don't know if that's exactly what Barkley said at the time, but about 4-5 years ago on TNT in a post game show, Barkley said that he always hated when people compared a supposed up and coming white player to Bird. He said the only thing Bird and Laettner had in common was that they were both white.

2. Joe Alexander is a good example of a workout warrior. Dude dominated all the drills in the combine. He had great results in the vertical leap, bench press, lane agility and sprints. Of course when the game actually starts, he doesn't look all that athletic, probably because the game involves playing with 9 other guys on the floor with a ball.

That's why I hate it when people watch a guy like Hansbrough and think he's not that athletic, then his combine results come back and he puts up decent numbers and people think, "Oh he did great in these drills. He's pretty athletic afterall!"

When Grant Hill and Allan Houston were both in their physical primes playing in Detroit together, guess who had the highest vertical leap on the team? All World Athlete Grant Hill or jumpshooting Allan Houston? Here's a hint: it wasn't Grant Hill.

Country Boy
06-09-2009, 08:08 AM
I find this article and thread to be in bad taste and has no place here on this forum.

vnzla81
06-09-2009, 08:32 AM
That's him.

Interesting that there are THREE Pacers on this list.

This is the reason why I posted this. I did not know that Van Horn scored 16ppg and 7years and 51mil for Austin? Damn.:eek:

Major Cold
06-09-2009, 08:49 AM
I find this article and thread to be in bad taste and has no place here on this forum.


Why? I see no problem with it. :shrugs:

It doesn't make fun of Larry or white people. It makes fun of stupid comparisons.

I bet there is a 10 MJ comparison out there too.

ChicagoJ
06-09-2009, 08:52 AM
Jalen Rose was much closer to being "the next Larry Bird" than all of these guys. That's how stupid it is to make player comparisons based on race.

owl
06-09-2009, 08:58 AM
If you count Piatkowski that makes four. He was mentioned in the article. If the Pacers
select Hanabrough I am sure he will get the comparison as well.

vnzla81
06-09-2009, 09:05 AM
I think the question is what a player has to do to be the next Larry Bird? shoot? pass? score 30ppg? I know that Larry was a good player even though he was not that athletic I think this is where all this comparisons are coming from, non athletic players who can shoot, pass and score but don't have the heart to be in winning mode at all times like Larry.

rexnom
06-09-2009, 09:09 AM
I think the question is what a player has to do to be the next Larry Bird? shoot? pass? score 30ppg? I know that Larry was a good player even though he was not that athletic I think this is where all this comparisons are coming from, non athletic players who can shoot, pass and score but don't have the heart to be in winning mode at all times like Larry.
There are plenty of black players who are never compared to Larry Bird whose games are more like his than any of these white guys. Unfortunately, it's mostly about race. Jay brings up a good example with Jalen Rose.

count55
06-09-2009, 09:13 AM
Jalen Rose was much closer to being "the next Larry Bird" than all of these guys. That's how stupid it is to make player comparisons based on race.

Actually, I thought that John Williams (yes, "Hot Plate") showed more similarities before he blew out his knee than a lot of guys.

The problem I have with this column is that I can't remember most of these guys being declared the "Next Larry Bird" anywhere other than in this piece. He's reaching so far on the Eric Montross/ML Carr quote, I shocked he didn't pull a muscle.

This is just a list of white guys who have been moderately to incredibly disappointing.

Anthem
06-09-2009, 09:15 AM
The problem I have with this column is that I can't remember most of these guys being declared the "Next Larry Bird" anywhere other than in this piece.
You're kidding.

At the very least, you don't remember the Ammo comparisons? They were recent.

EDIT: Probably not discussable on the forum, but the first result when googling "Adam Morrison Larry Bird" is a great article on the subject.

http://www.google.com/search?q=adam+morrison+larry+bird

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060111

Skip down to the part about Malcolm Gladwell.

count55
06-09-2009, 09:47 AM
You're kidding.

At the very least, you don't remember the Ammo comparisons? They were recent.

EDIT: Probably not discussable on the forum, but the first result when googling "Adam Morrison Larry Bird" is a great article on the subject.

http://www.google.com/search?q=adam+morrison+larry+bird

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060111

Skip down to the part about Malcolm Gladwell.

Yeah, I remember Ammo, but not Alexander or Piatkowski or AC or T-Murda or Gaze or Mike Miller, and nobody with functioning IQ above room temperature ever even mused that Eric Montross would be the "next Larry Bird." (ML Carr's quote, while still not right, never even approached that claim.)

What I think happened was he probably got started with Ammo as a failed "next Larry Bird," then tried to milk it for an article. Problem is, once you get past Ammo, Ferry, Laettner, and maybe KVH, you don't have a lot of people who were consistently drawing comparisons to Bird. So, he filled it out with a bunch of other white guys who he felt he could rip in a funny way.

vnzla81
06-09-2009, 09:51 AM
One Player I think that could be compared to Larry Bird is Steve Nash, I know they play different positions but Steve is pretty close in scoring and assist, Nash is also one of few player to win more than two MPV's , the only problem is that it took him a while to reach that level.

duke dynamite
06-09-2009, 09:51 AM
I think the question is what a player has to do to be the next Larry Bird?

The answer is that you have to have a killer mustache and a southern twang.

Anthem
06-09-2009, 10:01 AM
Problem is, once you get past Ammo, Ferry, Laettner, and maybe KVH, you don't have a lot of people who were consistently drawing comparisons to Bird.
He didn't make the list, but didn't Googs get the comparison a fair bit?

Anyway, I think this article was ripped off of an earlier one:

http://www.slate.com/id/2132097/

rexnom
06-09-2009, 10:06 AM
You're kidding.

At the very least, you don't remember the Ammo comparisons? They were recent.

EDIT: Probably not discussable on the forum, but the first result when googling "Adam Morrison Larry Bird" is a great article on the subject.

http://www.google.com/search?q=adam+morrison+larry+bird

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=klosterman/060111

Skip down to the part about Malcolm Gladwell.
I have unhealthy mancrush on Malcolm Gladwell - he is disturbingly dead on.

Roaming Gnome
06-09-2009, 10:13 AM
I find this article and thread to be in bad taste and has no place here on this forum.

I agree with the "gist" of the article rubbing me the wrong way, but not to the point where it should be removed from the site. One thing is for sure, I don't see the humor that the O.P. is seeing.

Country Boy
06-09-2009, 10:17 AM
I agree with the "gist" of the article rubbing me the wrong way, but not to the point where it should be removed from the site.

True, however all will take is one or two posters who will take the thread in the wrong direction before it is jerked. I see no value in the "gist" on the article outside of provoking knee jerk reactions.

duke dynamite
06-09-2009, 10:21 AM
True, however all will take is one or two posters who will take the thread in the wrong direction before it is jerked. I see no value in the "gist" on the article outside of provoking knee jerk reactions.

Cross your fingers and hope for the best, dude.

Roaming Gnome
06-09-2009, 10:26 AM
True, however all will take is one or two posters who will take the thread in the wrong direction before it is jerked. I see no value in the "gist" on the article outside of provoking knee jerk reactions.

As Duke just mentioned, all we can do is hope for the best and fix the thread if it starts to derail. I have faith in our posters :D

Major Cold
06-09-2009, 10:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvHpvHFXU0

I think the real question is who is the next George Michaels.

duke dynamite
06-09-2009, 10:55 AM
As Duke just mentioned, all we can do is hope for the best and fix the thread if it starts to derail. I have faith in our posters :D

I'm glad someone does...

Slick Pinkham
06-09-2009, 11:33 AM
the list of players compared to MJ is just as funny.

Harold Minor? Michael Pietrus (the Euro MJ)?

If you are a top 20 player all-time then you should be eliminated for comparisions to untested rookies, for all-time, no matter what they have done in college or a McDonald's All-American game.

vnzla81
06-09-2009, 12:21 PM
I find this article and thread to be in bad taste and has no place here on this forum.

I don't understand what is the bad taste on this thread? :confused:



I agree with the "gist" of the article rubbing me the wrong way, but not to the point where it should be removed from the site. One thing is for sure, I don't see the humor that the O.P. is seeing.

The humor is the the pacers have two current and one former player compared to Larry (Pacers President) and I wanted to know your opinion :confused:



As Duke just mentioned, all we can do is hope for the best and fix the thread if it starts to derail. I have faith in our posters :D

I agree, hope for the best and see what happen, just because you don't like a post does not mean that everybody else feels the same way.

jhondog28
06-09-2009, 02:50 PM
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The humor is the the pacers have two current and one former player compared to Larry (Pacers President) and I wanted to know your opinion :confused:



I think in regards to the current Pacers you could look at the diversity that Murphy and Dunleavy have from their heigth and their ability to shoot the 3. Bird of course in pre NBA years made his Indiana State team sooooo much better. Dunleavy and Murphy made their college teams a lot better, but not to the extent of Bird. Also Bird was top 2 maybe top 3 players in the league when he was playing. No one in the NBA of either race seems to have that ability. I think Lebron would be a close comparison with his all around abilities, but has more athleticism than Bird did. If i was going to think of anyone that resembled Bird I would say right now it would be Lebron. Murphy and Dun need to grow the Staches back where some green high tops and go to some short shorts and then they would resemble Larry B.

naptownmenace
06-09-2009, 03:15 PM
My favorite was when Wes Unseld drafted Tom Gugliotta when he was with the Washington Bullets. A reporter asked Unseld if Googs could be compared with Bird and Unseld foolishly said "He's gonna be Big Bird".

Tom Gugliotta was a good player that started out hot and just fizzled after a few injuries but yeah, I remember Unseld making that remark.

Out of all the players I've heard compared to Bird, other than Dirk, he probably came the closest. He was a good rebounder, had a high basketball IQ, was an above average passer, and could score. Surprised he didn't make the list.

If I was to compare a player to Bird, despite race, it would be Carmelo Anthony. Melo's style of play reminds me a lot of Bird in his prime.

Major Cold
06-09-2009, 03:17 PM
Kevin Lover was mentioned more of a Bird player than Alexander, but I see him more as a McHale.

ChicagoJ
06-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Now I can't get the Chick McGee "Tom Gugliotta with his goo-goo-googly eyes" portion of the sports report out of my head.

Anthem
06-09-2009, 03:53 PM
I have unhealthy mancrush on Malcolm Gladwell - he is disturbingly dead on.
No doubt. Read Gladwell's portion and then read the draft thread... it's eerie.

MyFavMartin
06-09-2009, 07:57 PM
My favorite was when Wes Unseld drafted Tom Gugliotta when he was with the Washington Bullets. A reporter asked Unseld if Googs could be compared with Bird and Unseld foolishly said "He's gonna be Big Bird".

:laugh:

DocHolliday
06-10-2009, 01:14 PM
the list of players compared to MJ is just as funny.

Harold Minor? Michael Pietrus (the Euro MJ)?

If you are a top 20 player all-time then you should be eliminated for comparisions to untested rookies, for all-time, no matter what they have done in college or a McDonald's All-American game.

Ah, Harold Miner, nicknamed "Baby Jordan". Other than the fact that he wore #23, I'm not sure how he could've earned such a moniker.

Coop
06-10-2009, 01:53 PM
Give it a rest. No one else is making a big deal about this but you. Like it was said before, if the thread goes in the wrong direction (which you seem to be taking it), it can be dealt with. Until then, just let it go.

MrSparko
06-10-2009, 02:00 PM
Bad taste? Your kidding, right? This article is nothing but a in the gutter hatchet job on how white players, suck. If this article was about 10 black players who were labled as the next "Black Hope" and then each player ripped for not measuring up to some label, the uproar would be deafening. No I don't like the article, and I don't like that it has not raised more eyebrows than it has thus far.

It doesn't mention Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Kirk Hinrich, Bogut, Ilgauskas, or a host of other good to great white players. It mentions players that suck or have until lately suck (by NBA standards). Now its not their fault they were compared to Larry Bird but they were. The fact that analysts are lazy enough that they compare freakin' Adam Morrison to Larry Bird is something they should be called out on. Some people might have expected a little more out of him than he's producing now but no one with half a brain could ever truly expect him to have a comparable career to Larry Bird.

vnzla81
06-10-2009, 06:41 PM
This morning in 1070 the fan DD was talking about this and was saying that right now the player that looks similar to Larry Bird is Hedo Turkoglu in the way he shoots the ball and pass. Also JMV was saying the same thing this afternoon.

travmil
06-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Ah, Harold Miner, nicknamed "Baby Jordan". Other than the fact that he wore #23, I'm not sure how he could've earned such a moniker.

Well, he did win the dunk contest twice...