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RWB
07-05-2004, 01:34 PM
I've been asked to inquire of the PD membership any ideas they have on what a bronze statue of Reggie should look like?

In other words what position or form would symbolize what we remember him by.

Bald head, the flat top look, the floater, hitting a three, etc.

:idea:

I received permission to bring an early test model to the forum party and hopefully will get the ok to show some pictures here on the Digest.

Hicks
07-05-2004, 01:37 PM
Wow. That's really cool.

I suggest bald Reggie (he did most of his damage as a baldie), in his traditional, horrible form :laugh: just after he's released his shot on a 3 pointer.

I'm not sure which jersey he should be wearing. He had plenty of memorable moments in both the 90's and 00' jersey's. He's likely most famous nationally/internationally for what he did in NY, and that would mean the 90's uniforms, so I'll say he should wear those.

Bball
07-05-2004, 02:25 PM
Is this like the "Young Elvis vs Old Elvis" stamp debate?

Young Reggie would be coldly nailing a three pointer.... or making the choke sign to Spike Lee :)

Old Reggie would be passing the ball to O Neal.... or getting a layup blocked by Prince :(

-Bball

BigMac
07-05-2004, 02:27 PM
Head: Bald (He did the most damage this way)

Stance: With the ball, getting ready to shoot a 3-pointer, with both hands still on the ball, knees bent, eyes focused on the imaginary rim, mouth open just a tad.

Uniform: Why, of course, the away jerseys he played in that he buried the Knicks in. Yes, they were ugly but most old uniforms are-this is when he made his mark and that's how I will always remember him.

So, were you asked by someone with the Pacers? Does this mean they actually read the posts on here?
If so, I'm really impressed. Really, really, impressed!!!!!!!!

recap
07-05-2004, 02:36 PM
I say a bald reggie in a 90s uniform, flopping to get to the free throw line.:D

RWB
07-05-2004, 02:39 PM
Just to give you an idea on who this request is coming from. ;)


A Touch of Genius


MODELING: Dr. Roland Kohr, whose features mirror that of aeronautical pioneer Orville Wright, models for sculptor Bill Wolfe. (Tribune-Star/Jim Avelis)
Working with clay not child's play for sculptor who's earning national recognition

Howard Greninger/Tribune-Star

November 30, 2003

When just a lad growing up in Parke and Vermillion counties, Bill Wolfe often played with clay dirt from a creek, molding it with a stick into various shapes.

"I'd say, 'Grandpa, I'm going down to the creek,'" Wolfe recalled.

"You had to make up your own fun, so we played in the woods. I think doing that helped build my creativity."

Wolfe said he knew he wanted to be an artist since the age of 4. He has honed his skills with paintings and sketches ever since. Yet it's his three-dimensional artwork that's beginning to attract national attention.

It began in June 2001 with the unveiling of a 6-foot bronze statue of Terre Haute Marine Cpl. Charles Abrell, who was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor in the Korean War, in front of the Vigo County Courthouse.

Just a day later, a smaller relief bronze figure of Max Carey, the Terre Haute native Hall-of-Fame baseball player for the Pittsburgh Pirates team that won the 1925 World Series, was unveiled in front of Indiana State University's football stadium on Wabash Avenue. In September, a Wolfe monument of a World War II solider was unveiled in Webster, Mass.

Now, the 48-year-old artist is helping to mold a part of aeronautical history in Dayton, Ohio. Wolfe is in the process of creating a 6-foot bronze statue of Orville Wright. It will rest under roof of an already built columned pedestal near the bike shop of Orville and Wilbur Wright.

It's part of a celebration of 100 years of flight since the Wright brothers' first successful manned flight at Kitty Hawk, N.C., on Dec. 17, 1903.

And Wolf's getting help from a Terre Haute pathologist -- Dr. Roland Kohr.

"I am posing for the statue, but as far as I know, I'm not related to Orville Wright," Kohr joked. "I've seen the pictures [Wolfe] has shown me and some friends have, too, and they said [the resemblance to Orville Wright] is scary. My mustache kinda gives me that 1900-era look."

To top it off, Kohr is a native of Ohio, raised in Cincinnati. He's already posed once for Wolfe, wearing a long apron, a vest, white shirt and tie, while holding a 2-by-4 piece of wood. That will become an 8.5-foot propeller the Wright's developed for their aircraft.

"Dr. Kohr closely matches the facial features of Orville Wright. His eyes are not as close together as Orville's, but essentially I will make Dr. Kohr into Orville Wright," Wolfe said. "I've seen Dr. Kohr's picture in the newspaper and on television and when I thought about who I could get to model, he immediately came to mind."

Kohr will again model for Wolfe, who plans to use measurements of Kohr's head, neck, arms, legs and body to get a three-dimensional shape for his final Wright sculpture, scheduled to be dedicated in May 2004.

Another project for the city of Carmel will become Wolfe's largest undertaking. He has been commissioned to create a statue that will be 10 to 14 feet tall. It will be displayed at the Carmel Clay Freedom Circle veterans memorial.

"We were trying to find a monument design that would represent the past, present and possibly the future," said Bill Ensign, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who is part of a non-profit corporation helping to establish the veterans memorial.

Wolfe was among six artists interviewed for the work. It was actually Wolfe's second design that caught the committee's fancy, Ensign said.

"I wanted to put five statutes from different military services at Carmel, but they wanted something simple, but large and monumental," Wolfe said. "I didn't realize how large until after some discussions. It will be one of the largest veterans memorials in the state."

A 21-inch miniature of the statue, called a maquette, was unveiled Nov. 10 in Carmel. It shows a man and a woman on their knees. They are holding a U.S. flag just above their knees. Behind them is a wagon wheel and sandbags at the feet. Details include a first aid pack, canteen and a 45-caliber pistol.

"The whole idea is to show something like they were on a battlefield and had just picked up the flag and are moving forward. The wind actually becomes one of the forces they have to battle," Wolfe said.

Nancy Heck, director of community relations for the city of Carmel, said the statue will be placed on the east end of a large reflecting pool, near the southwest corner of Third Avenue and City Center Drive in Carmel. The statue is part of an approximately $900,000 city center project, which also include a road cut and brick walkway.

The sculpture will have seven flags behind it in a semi-circle, with the U.S. flag as the center piece, then five military service flags plus the prisoner of war flag, Ensign said.

The statues are sent to a foundry, where a rubber mold is made, showing every detail, even the fingerprints. That is then made into a wax figure and then ceramic, which is used to create the final bronze figure.

Other recent work by Wolfe includes an etching of three dogs in black granite behind the Terre Haute Humane Shelter. There's also a water fountain scheduled to be installed this spring at a funeral home at 25th Street and Wabash Avenue. It's of a little boy kneeling down and holding a sailboat, with a girl holding an umbrella.

Wolfe was born in Mecca and grew up in Clinton, but continued to visit his grandfather in Parke County, where he first molded clay. He graduated from Clinton High School in 1973 and now lives in West Terre Haute. His oldest son, Bryant, 22, is a senior at Indiana University and another son, Austin, 17, is a junior at West Vigo High School.

For sixteen years, Wolfe along with partner Nick Telezyn, operated Ideas Inc., creating logos for businesses such as Terre Haute Savings Bank and the former Larry Bird's Boston Connection. The company also produced thousands of TV commercials.

"I went through a burnout stage on advertising," Wolfe said. "I was starting to lose some artistic fire. Now, I'm doing what I've always wanted to do in my life. Unfortunately, you often have to have other things first before you are able to step out and do art for a living."

Painting and drawing came first for Wolfe. It was his portrait work that first caught the eye of Terre Haute attorney Mike McCormick, who is also the Vigo County historian.

"His portraits are as realistic as any portraits of people I've seen in some time," McCormick said. "I became aquatinted with Wolfe's illustrations on Indiana State University sports media guides [in the 1990s], where his portraits of players were right on."

McCormick later recommended Wolfe for the Max Carey monument.

Wolfe said he often studies books to learn more about sculpturing, something he said he "is still learning all the time. I don't think you ever learn everything about art."

His artwork has been a lifelong learning process. While attending ISU, he failed a course when a professor insisted he produce abstract work. Wolfe said he prefers creating realistic figures for sculpture.

"It's more appealing and satisfying," Wolfe said. "As an artist, you have to create what you enjoy."

Wolfe said he owes his growing career in sculpting to Terre Haute native Pete Johnson, an artist for a TV station and a Korean War veteran who led a committee that selected Wolfe for Abrell's statue. Johnson died in March.

"It's really all started from there. People are seeing the Abrell statue and the details. Because Pete had the confidence in me for that, it became the springboard for this. I wouldn't be doing what I am doing without him. He was a great help for me."

Howard Greninger can be reached at (812) 231-4204 or howard.greninger@tribstar.com.


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O'Bannon tributes offered
Memorial panel hears several suggestions from sculptors, others
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INDIANAPOLIS State lawmakers pondered yesterday whether a bronze bust, a life-size statute or something in between would make the most appropriate memorial for the late Gov. Frank O'Bannon of Corydon, who died last year with 16 months left in his second term.

The Frank O'Bannon Memorial Commission whose members are mostly legislators from Southern Indiana learned yesterday that a bust similar to those honoring other recent governors would cost about $20,000 and take about four to six months to create.

But sculptors and others also said the commission might want to consider something grander.

Kenneth Ryden, a sculptor from Yorktown, said the formal nature of a bust may not be the most appropriate memorial for a man who was in many ways quite informal.

"It's hard to think of him as stiff like plaster or stone," said Ryden, an artist in residence at Anderson College. "He was so real and down to earth. If I had more free rein, I would do something more animated."

Sculptor David Ross Stevens of Borden said that, for about $80,000, the state could commission a life-size sculpture of O'Bannon interacting with children.

Several sculptors interested in the project addressed the commission, providing them with ideas and details about costs.

Several gave members their resumes, pictures of past sculptures and letters of recommendation.

But Bill Wolfe, an artist from West Terre Haute, showed the commission a small model of an O'Bannon bust he'd sculpted over the past few days. A hush fell over the commission when he pulled a bag off the top of the small clay bust.

"I just found out about the meeting Thursday so I only had a few days to work on it," Wolfe said.

Commission Co-Chairman Paul Robertson, a Democratic member of the House from Depauw, welcomed the ideas.

"We want something unique for the governor," Robertson said. "We want something that will work here at the Statehouse, something people will look at."

The traditional memorial is a bust that would sit in a niche in the Statehouse's interior limestone walls. There are several honoring former governors, including Otis Bowen and the late Robert Orr, as well as other former state leaders.

Legislators said yesterday that if they choose a bust, they hope to set it in a niche just outside the Democratic doors to the Senate. O'Bannon served 18 years in the Senate before he was elected lieutenant governor.

But the Department of Education's Mary Tiede Wilhelmus, who was at the meeting representing Superintendent of Public Instruction Suellen Reed, suggested an idea that would take the memorial off the Statehouse grounds.

She urged the commission to consider a lifelike sculpture of O'Bannon at White River State Park, a development of green space and museums in downtown Indianapolis. O'Bannon and his wife, Judy, spearheaded the effort to build the new Indiana State Museum at the park.

O'Bannon was "a great lover of the outdoors," Wilhelmus said. "And the White River State Park is part of his legacy."

That idea seemed to strike Senate Minority Leader Richard Young, D-Milltown, who represents the district that used to be O'Bannon's.

"When I think back about Governor O'Bannon, he was always talking about what was going on the Blue River or at White River State Park," Young said. "I can see that we probably should think about doing something a little broader than what we had been thinking."

But Sen. Jim Lewis, D-Charlestown, said he wanted to see some type of memorial to O'Bannon in the Statehouse.

The debate will continue throughout the summer. The commission plans several more meetings to consider its options, including how the memorial will be funded.

Commission Co-Chairman Jim Merritt, a Republican senator from Indianapolis, said the state could raise private money for the memorial, allocate state funds or use a combination.

Members said they hope to hear ideas from the public as well.



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RWB
07-05-2004, 02:49 PM
P.S. What Hicks and BigMac have posted are exactly what Mr. Wol** is looking for. :D

Keep them coming.

JOneal7
07-05-2004, 03:28 PM
Head: Def use the bald head

Stance: The choke sign to spike Lee...That would be sick, or his hands in the air like after he hit a huge 3.

Uniform: Would be tight if you could put him in like a retro uni from 72. That'd be cool but definetly the knicks Uni where he beat them in 8 seconds.

kerosene
07-05-2004, 03:34 PM
The choke sign would be tasteless for a statue (as funny as it would be). That's not how you'd want Reggie immortalized. Bald Reggie shooting a three with the legs kicked out. That's the way to go.

sweabs
07-05-2004, 04:11 PM
Legs kicked out...has to be there.

Or, even Reggie with his hands in the air for the 3pt field goal would be nice.

MSA2CF
07-05-2004, 05:53 PM
To refresh your memories:

Reggie's head through the years:
http://cache.gettyimages.com/thumb/50916927.jpg?x=x&a=50916927&b=editorial&t=1
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT2.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT3.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT4.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT5.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT6.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT7.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT8.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT9.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT10.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT12.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT11.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT13.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT15.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT16.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT17.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v257/MSA2CF/EDIT18.jpg
I would prefer bald Reggie.

Stance: Here's what I prefer:
http://www.geocities.com/miller_reggie01/miller_for_three26.jpg
That, or the way his body looked as he shot the three to beat Jordan in '98.

Reggie's uniform throughout the years:
http://thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/20974978
http://www.dickscourtroom.com/IM_Miller3.jpg
http://thm-br1r2.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/213042945
I prefer the second one, the Flo Jo's.

able
07-05-2004, 06:43 PM
I agree on the 2nd uni's. definitely as well as the bald head, it's almost his trademark the shaven head, as for "pose" it is hard if not impossible to portray a jumper in mid-air, statues, no matter what size, are hard to levitate all the time, his "exclamation mark" pose is a darned good alternative also to symbolize what mark he made on Indiana and the Pacers:

some "options":

http://www.able-towers.com/~abel/reg1.jpg
http://www.able-towers.com/~abel/reg2.jpg
http://www.able-towers.com/~abel/reg3.jpg
http://www.able-towers.com/~abel/reg4.jpg

recap
07-05-2004, 06:47 PM
If the pose is a shot of Reggie shooting, it would be great to have a small statue of Spike Lee looking on in frustration.

Hoop
07-05-2004, 06:50 PM
Bald head, shooting a 3, can't get better than that.

Peck
07-05-2004, 07:16 PM
Head: Bald

Uniform: FloJo's (without a doubt)

position of statue: zenith of extension on a three point shot is optimal however it might be easier for the sculpter to do Reggie dribbling the ball. Either works for me. I would also prefer that there be some form of oposition in the statue. In other words if Reggie is shooting the three then I would like to see the back & outstreched arms of a defender going at him.

MSA2CF
07-05-2004, 07:56 PM
Another idea or two of his stance:
http://hk.geocities.com/miller_reggie08/miller_celebrates17.jpg
http://hk.geocities.com/miller_reggie08/miller_celebrates23.jpg
http://hk.geocities.com/miller_reggie08/miller_celebrates50.jpg
http://hk.geocities.com/miller_reggie08/miller_celebrates46.jpg
Something to that effect...

Shade
07-05-2004, 08:30 PM
http://www.able-towers.com/~abel/reg2.jpg

Definitely this, with the 90's style jersey. :nod:

MSA2CF
07-05-2004, 08:44 PM
BTW, RWB, I'd like to thank you and the person(s) who are interested in our input for the opportunity. :stretch:

MagicRat
07-05-2004, 10:13 PM
Here are a few Reggie pics from my archive, any of which would make a fine statue.......

http://home.comcast.net/~magic_rat/Web/index.html

bread
07-07-2004, 07:49 PM
I suggest Reggie in his "Chocke" pose to Spike Lee. Man, I miss the old days.....

C. Neil Milton

Grant
07-08-2004, 08:57 AM
I suggest Reggie in his "Chocke" pose to Spike Lee. Man, I miss the old days.....

C. Neil Milton

http://www.nba.com/media/pacers/reggie_knicks_thumb.jpg

Anybody got a bigger picture of this shot? Its perfect.

Suaveness
07-08-2004, 10:14 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that if you have a statue of reggie shooting a three, then the arms would be covering his face, and then you essentially lose the effect of the statue. So anything done has to be with his arms not in front of his face. So like dribbling, or the celebration hands in teh air one,


or i especially would do one with one hand in air and him holding 3 fingers up, the pinky, ring, and middle fingers, signifying that he hit a three pointer. I like that.

http://www.bballone.com/reggiem/pacers/images/pacers12.jpg

Something like that, except only 1 arm. and 2 more fingers up.

MagicRat
07-08-2004, 10:19 AM
or i especially would do one with one hand in air and him holding 3 fingers up, the pinky, ring, and middle fingers, signifying that he hit a three pointer. I like that.

That seems more like a Tinsley statue.....:whoknows:

Suaveness
07-08-2004, 10:20 AM
or i especially would do one with one hand in air and him holding 3 fingers up, the pinky, ring, and middle fingers, signifying that he hit a three pointer. I like that.

That seems more like a Tinsley statue.....:whoknows:




I didn't know Tinsley did that. Well, then just 1 finger then. Because Reggies DOES do that.

Fool
07-08-2004, 11:53 AM
No one suggests a classic Miller flop pose?