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MillerTime
05-21-2009, 09:55 AM
Tyrus Thomas is eligible to receive an extension from the Bulls this summer. But the team's interest in doing so is in doubt.

DraftExpress is reporting that the Bulls may seek to package Thomas with Kirk Hinrich to fetch an elite power forward via trade.

Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-21-bullsmay21,0,6912668.story
By K.C. Johnson




Hinrich and Thomas should be a good trade for Bosh, but Raps have locked up Jose long-term so I dont know how that would work out. I wonder if Jack plus our #13 will be enough to score Thomas. For sure our #13 wouldn't, we would have to add something also.

OakMoses
05-21-2009, 10:01 AM
If only Troy Murphy was an elite power forward...

MillerTime
05-21-2009, 10:05 AM
If only Troy Murphy was an elite power forward...

only if...we wouldnt be in the need of a PF then

Anthem
05-21-2009, 10:15 AM
I would rather have Jack than Thomas.

binarysolo
05-21-2009, 10:21 AM
We need athleticism in the front court. There aren't many front court players as athletic as Thomas. I would welcome him with open arms. Don't forget he's only 22.

idioteque
05-21-2009, 10:25 AM
Is it pretty much confirmed that Bosh will be out of Toronto by the end of his contract at the latest?

Major Cold
05-21-2009, 10:46 AM
Do you actually think that Thomas could understand this defensive system? He plays with athleticism, but almost no knowledge of the game. He is Stromile Swift 2.0 and I don't see him increasing his play unless he learns how to play the game.

Unclebuck
05-21-2009, 10:47 AM
I don't want any part of Thomas - for lack of a better term he is a knucklehead. Makesa a lot of bad decisions, pouts, doesn't always work or play hard - I could go on. he is talented though and I suppose it is possible he might finally "get it" but that will likely be a few years if at all

flox
05-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Well, all signs point to Bosh being VERY unhappy..so yes.

As for Tyrus I think we need to overpay for him, as if we lowball there will be much better offers out there. Offering Jack is hilarious when they have Rose, Hinrich, and Gordon.

Major Cold
05-21-2009, 10:51 AM
They won't resign Gordon

flox
05-21-2009, 10:53 AM
They won't resign Gordon

Sure. He's definitely not a major part of their team's offense. Shipping Tyrus definitely doesn't give them space to resign Gordon.

sweabs
05-21-2009, 11:00 AM
Well, all signs point to Bosh being VERY unhappy..so yes.
Really? This is news to me.

Major Cold
05-21-2009, 11:09 AM
How many $50M offers did Ben Gordon turn down? They will have to pay him $10M a year plus....To be a six man? He doesn't play defense (Ray Allen just hit another three in his face). He can shoot you out of a game (game seven..missed his last 4 shots).

Deng is overpayed on a longterm contract. Why would they do that with Gordon? It basically means that two of the following will need to sit the bench during crunch time Deng, Gordon, Salmons, Hinrich.

I would rather have Salmons than Deng (contract considering) and Hinrich rather than Gordon (contract and defense considering).

I really think Rose is being limited because of Gordon.

MillerTime
05-21-2009, 11:20 AM
I would rather have Jack than Thomas.

I wouldnt. I'd be more than content to move Jack (and picks) for Thomas. Jack, even though will be missed, can still be replaced by Ford and Deiner. Jack would probably do a better job than them for us, but Thomas would be a much better upgrade for our team considering his defense abilities

MillerTime
05-21-2009, 11:22 AM
Is it pretty much confirmed that Bosh will be out of Toronto by the end of his contract at the latest?

Pretty much. Bosh is unhappy and isnt willing to resign with the Raps so they might move him this summer before they lose him for nothing...like how they lost T Mac

DrFife
05-21-2009, 11:49 AM
I wouldnt. I'd be more than content to move Jack (and picks) for Thomas. Jack, even though will be missed, can still be replaced by Ford and Deiner. Jack would probably do a better job than them for us, but Thomas would be a much better upgrade for our team considering his defense abilities

I acknowledge your point, MT, but I side with Anthem. Thomas is potentially more valuable from the neck down, but as UB says, he's a knucklehead ... or at least suffering from arrested maturity. In parallel to the glorified term, "student-athlete," Jack is a "(high-)character-player."

I'd make an offer built around Tinsley + #13 for Thomas + Chicago's #26. If Chicago can figure out its SG situation, I think Tinsley would make a fine back-up. Moreover, Chicago may make moves (e.g,. Hinrich for Kaman) to go deep into the playoffs next year, so they'll be interested in a quality veteran back-up PG. (With #13 and #16, they could add some nice depth, or perhaps trade up to get Harden.) Too many PDers have been overly boisterous in their character bashing; imo, Tinsley will make a fine back-up on a championship-caliber team.

Anthem
05-21-2009, 11:51 AM
I wouldnt. I'd be more than content to move Jack (and picks) for Thomas.
I wouldn't move Jack, not Jack and A pick, and certainly not Jack and PICKS.

Athletic is nice, but we also need players with something above the shoulders. If we could move Trophy or Tinsley for him then that's one thing, but not a player who would be part of the rotation.

Never mind the fact that Jack's a free agent.

Young
05-21-2009, 02:28 PM
I don't want any part of Thomas - for lack of a better term he is a knucklehead. Makesa a lot of bad decisions, pouts, doesn't always work or play hard - I could go on. he is talented though and I suppose it is possible he might finally "get it" but that will likely be a few years if at all

Right on UB.

Thomas can produce. Whoever says he is Stromile Swift is wrong. I think Thomas is better than that. I think that there will be plenty of teams with interest in getting Thomas I just hope the Pacers aren't one of them. I want know part of any potential knucklehead.

Los Angeles
05-21-2009, 02:42 PM
When describing Thomas, I think the word "rough" is a closer fit than "stupid".

PacerDude
05-21-2009, 02:43 PM
Do you actually think that Thomas could understand this defensive system? We have a defensive system ??

flox
05-21-2009, 02:50 PM
We have a defensive system ??

A very good one with poor players in it...

Major Cold
05-21-2009, 02:53 PM
We have a defensive system ??

We also have endless threads talking about that system. All of which is unread, because people assume that the defense is ALL JOB's fault. If only it were that easy.

Since86
05-21-2009, 03:24 PM
JOB's system is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. That is his fault.

He can have the best system in the world, but if it can't be done by the players he has then it's useless. That's the argument.

d_c
05-21-2009, 03:36 PM
We also have endless threads talking about that system. All of which is unread, because people assume that the defense is ALL JOB's fault. If only it were that easy.

It just kind of shocks me when I see countless posts about the need to improve defense and then every now and then, a thread about what a great addition Adam Morrison (one of the worst, if not the worst defensive player in the league) would be.

And it's not about Adam Morrison. To me that tells me some people expect the coach to create some magical system where the team somehow plays good defense even with horrible defensive players on the team.

Tiny Archibald
05-21-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't have any particular interest in Thomas. But isn't he only 21 ?

He played a couple years for a knucklehead down at LSU and is in
another new system in CHIC. He obviously has some growing up to
do. But, given his raw physical gifts, he's probably worth waiting on
a bit longer before writing him off.

If he's still making the same mistakes, etc. in 2-3 years, then perhaps
he is Stromile Swift redux.

aceace
05-21-2009, 09:02 PM
If only Troy Murphy was an elite power forward...The Bulls thought Jalen Rose was an elite player when that trade was made. Can we fool them again ?

sweabs
05-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Pretty much. Bosh is unhappy and isnt willing to resign with the Raps so they might move him this summer before they lose him for nothing...like how they lost T Mac
Where are you getting this information?

McKeyFan
05-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Forget Tyrus. Can we get Heinrich?

MillerTime
05-21-2009, 11:25 PM
Where are you getting this information?

Theres numerous articles on this. The most infamous is the Steven A Smith on (which I cant find). But I didnt manage to find this:


ESPN loudmouth Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Chris Bosh has told Bryan Colangelo that he is not interested in remaining in Toronto. Apparently Miami is very interested and so is Dallas. I’m not too shocked by this rumour, he appears to have checked out of late and is basically going through the motions the last couple games. Bosh probably feels that not enough has been done to surround him with good enough players to compete and that his recent bad play has more to do with NBA defenses zeroing on him rather than his own ineptitude. Keep in mind that the Raptors can offer Bosh approximately $30 million more than any other team so although the trade rumour make sense basketball-wise, it makes little sense financially unless Bosh feels he can make up the money through endorsements.

http://raptorsrepublic.com/blog/2009/02/01/sas-bosh-tells-colangelo-he-will-not-resign-trade-discussions-ongoing/

MillerTime
05-21-2009, 11:31 PM
Forget Tyrus. Can we get Heinrich?

Hinrich is definitely available, with Rose running the point, Hinrich is a really expensive backup. But if we could move Ford, I would be MORE than happy with Hinrich as our starter

sweabs
05-22-2009, 07:29 AM
Stephen A. Smith is good.

Major Cold
05-22-2009, 07:49 AM
Stephen A. Smith is "good".

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