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Unclebuck
06-28-2004, 11:14 PM
I was hesitant to post this, not sure there should be a bunch of us lurcking through tis from August 15th. But I figured it is slow, and there was a lot of talk today about the pacersdigest in the beginning.

So here is the address. You can't post, but it is fun to read it in the beginning. The Isiah firing pages are 20, 21

http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=pacers&start=380

Hoop
06-28-2004, 11:36 PM
http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=pacers :dance: :dance:


http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/index.php :dance::dance::dance::dance:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/cgi-bin/bbBoard.cgi :sadbanana: :sadbanana:

Hicks
06-28-2004, 11:42 PM
OK, you hate this place, I get it. Can you please give it a rest?

Asking for features and changes is fine, but whining about it is starting to get old...

Zesty
06-28-2004, 11:56 PM
This place used to be on Proboards? Yikes -- I don't see how anyone complain about where this forum has gone. From humble beginnings...

Young
06-29-2004, 12:15 AM
I don't see that much diffrence between each site.

What more emotions?

This one is most noticeable diffrent with all of the new features.

Other than that though, they all have the same quality of posters and that is what matters.

Snickers
06-29-2004, 12:22 AM
:laugh: I forgot we used to be on Proboards. My, how far we've come.

Hoop
06-29-2004, 01:15 AM
OK, you hate this place, I get it. Can you please give it a rest?

Asking for features and changes is fine, but whining about it is starting to get old...

My intent was not to **** you off, sorry if I did. I was not disrespectful to anyone, just giving my opinion with good natured jabs. I'll say one more thing and then I'll be quiet. If you guys were going to use a software package that required you to pay for it anyway, why in the world didn't you use the best one available is in vBulletin.

Kegboy
06-29-2004, 01:49 AM
I miss wacko.

http://216.40.206.219/boardimages/avatars/wacko.gif :cry:
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:duel:

bulletproof
06-29-2004, 01:56 AM
Boy, what did I know then:

bulletproof
06-29-2004, 01:58 AM
Boy, what did I know then:

http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pacers&num=1061836330&start=15


If I were going to make one far-fetched prediction, I would say that Isiah is gone before the start of the season, mid-season at the latest and is replaced by Carlisle. It's just a sense I get.

Hicks
06-29-2004, 02:18 AM
OK, you hate this place, I get it. Can you please give it a rest?

Asking for features and changes is fine, but whining about it is starting to get old...

My intent was not to **** you off, sorry if I did. I was not disrespectful to anyone, just giving my opinion with good natured jabs.

All right all right. :p


I'll say one more thing and then I'll be quiet. If you guys were going to use a software package that required you to pay for it anyway, why in the world didn't you use the best one available is in vBulletin.


Because we believe in the long run this will be better. It's not yet.

able
06-29-2004, 06:34 AM
I think I can answer this one (why not vbulletin) easy.

It is the difference between really safe and almost safe.

VB remains a php board, php is something that is very admin (system) intensive as in numerous holes and scripting weaknesses, It is easy to use, to implement etc but a MAJOR security risk on any server and to any site.

As sysadmin I keep php up to date and secure from "root" exploits, or at least try to, but I can not be continuously on the lookout for every perceived weakness due to "calls" to the php on a site.
PLEASE do not tell me vBulletin is safe: it is not, that is inherent to php.
Secondly, the MySql backend used on phpBB, vBulletin and others has restrictions, sizewise, you will see that larger board (IS?) that use likewise software will reduce the size of their databses by limiting the amount of posts saved. Other ways are (Clutch board) to reduce the number of users, stop new users, limit posting and so on, and yes there are a few (VERY few) boards out there that run under that kind of software with huge boards, If you are interested to know what kind of hardware they use, then I suggest you ask their costprice for keeping it up.

This in the end is a business, this board is hosted on a dual Xeon 2.4Ghz/533 with 2 gb of Ram, 15krpm scsi disks and if you have noticed on phpBB, the database connection failed with regularity.

Perl is far more flexible, it can also be used with f.i. Oracle db's which are capable of far faster accessing large databases, processing much faster through the data and so on, less processor intensive, less memory intensive in comparison to MySql.

Perl is far more secure, it does not require sudo rights, it is limited in execution to certain directories and what's more, it's much harder to deface a cgi based page then a php based website.

Yes, I can run vBulletin and MySql with much larger databses then now, however it would require either a 16 x 2.0Ghz server or a cluster, then the limits are as good as removed.
Running it as is, can be done on the same specs and grow some even, IF the machine is dedicated to PD only, however I have not yet heard volunteers to pay for that (the server would set you back around $ 7500 + VAT).

The strange thing is however that though some of you complain, and yes few, the objections brought forward are all "design" matters and have nothing to do with the board itself.
The few items that could be improved or still can be approved (forumjumps at the bottom, some other small stuff) is all being done by the coders of this board, and will be implemented shortly.
A simple thing as moving the "who's online" to the bottom, yes i did that, improves the experience grately by most, other things take more time, A design is made and adepted to the wishes, but not in one go and not without asking more the one person.

Yes, I pay for the software, though when my staff adepts the Oracle based engine for this program that will end, I will have free use, which is important.

In the end, except for the speed, which is better already then when we started, this board has already proven more stable then the phpBB, and that is what basically uses the same engine as vBulletin, therefore that would have "most likely" had the same problems.

Speed will increase once we start using the oracle databse, untill then I will continue to tweak the MySql database.

not getting blank screens is worth something though:)


Encore: the "looks" are not my department, I do not interfere, that is between Hicks and Rabid and maybe more that I don't even know about. I only suggest that in your comments you also look back as to where it came from, look around and see what others have and in the end, judge the book not only by it's cover but also by the fact that it's a hardback and most importantly, the CONTENT is absolute class :D

As for "current" vBulleting being safe: read this:
http://www.securityfocus.org/bid/10602/info/

Unclebuck
06-29-2004, 08:47 AM
I did not post this thread so we could debate different formats. I did it so those who were curious could read what many of us were saying last summer, and to read about isiah geting fired. Also found it interesting to read the first few days of Pacers Digest.

Suaveness
06-29-2004, 09:57 AM
Ahh...the days of being an Evil Ancient S...

Snickers
06-29-2004, 11:20 AM
Ahh...the days of being an Evil Ancient S...

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6855/pdancient1.gif

:laugh:

Man, those top tens in the Random Thoughts thread, before the big mess with PFFL and Twes were hilarious....

S Ancients on page 55 (http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=pacers&num=1063065530&action=display&start=465)

Snickers
06-29-2004, 11:23 AM
I thought I posted this link, but here it is:

The Ol' Isiah Fired! Thread (http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=pacers&action=display&num=1062015240)

PHC Fan
06-29-2004, 11:30 AM
http://pacersdigest.proboards22.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&username=PHCFan

Darn it!!!! There goes my eligibility for 2005 PD RoY.