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count55
03-06-2009, 01:18 PM
1:20 pm Just got the text...bear with me while I try to get a link.

Will miss season.

Recovery "lengthy".

Entire text:


M. Dunleavy underwent successful surgery. Recovery will be lengthy, and he will miss this season. Visit Pacers.com for more.

Nothing on Pacers.com at the moment.

Update:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/mike_dunleavy_medical_update_090306.html

Press Release | March 6, 2009


The Indiana Pacers announced Friday that guard Mike Dunleavy underwent successful surgery for removal of a bone spur and repair of his right patellar tendon.

At the direction of the team, the surgery was performed by Dr. Richard Steadman at the Steadman-Hawkins clinic in Vail, Co., with the Pacers' medical staff, Dr. Tim Hupfer, physical therapist consultant Dan Dyrek and head physical therapist/athletic trainer Josh Corbeil, in attendance.

Recovery will be lengthy and no timetable has been set. Dunleavy will miss the remainder of this season. Rehabilitation will begin immediately and will be under the supervision of the Pacers’ medical staff in Indianapolis. Updates will be forthcoming when appropriate.

OakMoses
03-06-2009, 01:19 PM
So much for exhausting other options. I'm glad he got it done quickly though. I'd really like to see him ready for the beginning of next season.

jhondog28
03-06-2009, 01:24 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/mike_dunleavy_medical_update_090306.html

here is link found on Pacers.com and it is just a press release.

Doddage
03-06-2009, 01:24 PM
The Indiana Pacers announced Friday that guard Mike Dunleavy underwent successful surgery for removal of a bone spur and repair of his right patellar tendon.

At the direction of the team, the surgery was performed by Dr. Richard Steadman at the Steadman-Hawkins clinic in Vail, Co., with the Pacers' medical staff, Dr. Tim Hupfer, physical therapist consultant Dan Dyrek and head physical therapist/athletic trainer Josh Corbeil, in attendance.

Recovery will be lengthy and no timetable has been set. Dunleavy will miss the remainder of this season. Rehabilitation will begin immediately and will be under the supervision of the Pacers’ medical staff in Indianapolis. Updates will be forthcoming when appropriate.
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Midcoasted
03-06-2009, 01:28 PM
If we can get him back 100 percent next year then I think we need to let Jack and Daniels walk. Or trade him then decide if we keep one or the other, or niether depending on what he would net us.

Trader Joe
03-06-2009, 01:38 PM
If we can get him back 100 percent next year then I think we need to let Jack and Daniels walk. Or trade him then decide if we keep one or the other, or niether depending on what he would net us.

Dun's value is pretty much nil right now.

duke dynamite
03-06-2009, 01:41 PM
Good for Mike.

El Pacero
03-06-2009, 02:00 PM
If we can get him back 100 percent next year then I think we need to let Jack and Daniels walk. Or trade him then decide if we keep one or the other, or niether depending on what he would net us.

Too big of a risk, I say keep Daniels in case he still has knee problems. And who is going to trade for a guy with a bum knee and high salary? Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets back to 100%, but we've been here before.

BRushWithDeath
03-06-2009, 02:00 PM
I'd like some sort of explanation why they didn't go ahead with this surgery in the preseason.

LoneGranger33
03-06-2009, 02:30 PM
I thought all our operations were performed by Dr. Leo Spaceman?

Anthem
03-06-2009, 02:41 PM
"Lengthy," huh? As in, will miss part of next season?

count55
03-06-2009, 02:42 PM
"Lengthy," huh? As in, will miss part of next season?

Lengthy...As in, we don't know, and we ain't guessin'.

Since86
03-06-2009, 02:49 PM
I'd like some sort of explanation why they didn't go ahead with this surgery in the preseason.

Because it has to do with tendonitis, which is most commonly treated with rest.

Surgery is a last resort, not a first option.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 03:00 PM
"Lengthy," huh? As in, will miss part of next season?

Probably. There's a reason surgery is a last resort for tendonitis.

The #1 advantage of the surgery in this scenario is that it forces a long rest and rehab period. The surgery doesn't eliminate the inflamation - it is an effort to fix the cause of the inflamation.

It generally eliminates the "feel good enough to play at 70% healthy, then keep playing until I'm only 50% healthy and I have to sit out a couple weeks again" cycle because the amount of rest required in the first place is usually months, not weeks.

Think about overuse injuries like tendonitis this way - it takes months for the inflamation to gradually reach the point of being too painful to play, so it takes months for the inflamation to gradually go away.

Spirit
03-06-2009, 03:15 PM
I'm optimistic about this. I think surgery was the way to go. I'm glad they finally got it over with.

rexnom
03-06-2009, 03:24 PM
I'm optimistic about this. I think surgery was the way to go. I'm glad they finally got it over with.
If only they had done it a while ago...

Spirit
03-06-2009, 03:30 PM
If only they had done it a while ago...I gues bringing him back for a few games was worth a try but I do agree that he probably would have been better off doing it earlier.

Since86
03-06-2009, 03:44 PM
I don't understand how hard it is for it to sink in.

Everything outside of surgery was going to be tried first. It took this long before all those options were exhausted. I think the saying goes something like, hindsight is 20/20.

I'm sure he got some opinions telling him not to have surgery still. No one wants to go under the knife, if they don't have too, especially around the petellar area.

That's why I get so damn peeved when I read comments about the Pacers' medical staff making gaffes. During any serious injury, franchises get specialists to look at their players. If a player has a knee injury, he's going to be looked at by a knee specialist. Same with ankle injuries, or shoulder injuries.

It's not like they hire the medical staff, and then just use them exclusively. They aren't doctors. They don't diagnose torn liagaments nor do they diagnose tendonitis. They can perform primary tests.

Some act like the Pacers live in this shell and only people on their direct payroll influence injury treatment.

Going back to the original point, would I like it if Dun had the surgery before the year started so he would be back that much sooner? Of course. But it's not like they diddle-daddled around and just wasted the time.

CableKC
03-06-2009, 03:45 PM
I'm glad that he will be out for the rest of the reason....there's no need to rush him back ( like we have any choice ) and it simply means that this guarantees that BRush will continue to get teh 20+ mpg that I want him to get in his rookie season.

maragin
03-06-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm optimistic about this. I think surgery was the way to go. I'm glad they finally got it over with.

This conveys my feelings on the matter.

Anthem
03-06-2009, 04:12 PM
Ahem.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=813067&postcount=45

naptownmenace
03-06-2009, 04:15 PM
I thought all our operations were performed by Dr. Leo Spaceman?

Dr. Spaceman (staring at an x-ray of Dun's knee): "Now, where did I leave those car keys?"

Mr. Sobchak
03-06-2009, 04:22 PM
Ahem.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=813067&postcount=45

Double Ahem.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=41819&highlight=worried+mikes+knee

Knucklehead Warrior
03-06-2009, 05:10 PM
Probably. There's a reason surgery is a last resort for tendonitis.

The #1 advantage of the surgery in this scenario is that it forces a long rest and rehab period. The surgery doesn't eliminate the inflamation - it is an effort to fix the cause of the inflamation.

It generally eliminates the "feel good enough to play at 70% healthy, then keep playing until I'm only 50% healthy and I have to sit out a couple weeks again" cycle because the amount of rest required in the first place is usually months, not weeks.

Think about overuse injuries like tendonitis this way - it takes months for the inflamation to gradually reach the point of being too painful to play, so it takes months for the inflamation to gradually go away.

This is a really good explanation. I've had several sports related injuries including tendonitis in several joints. Obviously surgery wasn't an option for me, since I don't make $6mil/year playing racquetball or golf. Each of those injuries took a lot of time to mend, even with some rehab, some taking well over a year.

Taking the time off now, getting a jump on the summer, maybe will give Dun the time to get better. Then again maybe not, but it's his best option.

I remember the first time I saw a doctor about tendonitis. The thing I remember most was he said, "You'll get this again." And he was right about 10 times over.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 05:22 PM
I had my knee tendonitis for five seasons before we decided "to cut". And had I not been running collegiate track and field, it still might not have been worth it "to cut" (of course, I probably would have taken enough time off to rest as well, but in-season rest isn't really an attractive option for a competitive athlete.) For this type of injury, surgery is a drastic last resort when nothing else has worked, people.

But from what we've read, Dunleavy's case hardly sounds like routine tendonitis, and a prognosis for a complete recovery seems risky. That doesn't mean he'll never play again, but something is wrong with that knee, and even with surgery and enough rest to let the inflamation shrink, there is a risk that it swells right back up when he starts playing again. I have no informed opinion on whether it could calcify again or not - no first hand experience with that problem but if you want to talk about Iliotibial bands I'll be there.

Gamble1
03-06-2009, 05:27 PM
I don't understand how hard it is for it to sink in.

Everything outside of surgery was going to be tried first. It took this long before all those options were exhausted. I think the saying goes something like, hindsight is 20/20.

I'm sure he got some opinions telling him not to have surgery still. No one wants to go under the knife, if they don't have too, especially around the petellar area.

That's why I get so damn peeved when I read comments about the Pacers' medical staff making gaffes. During any serious injury, franchises get specialists to look at their players. If a player has a knee injury, he's going to be looked at by a knee specialist. Same with ankle injuries, or shoulder injuries.

It's not like they hire the medical staff, and then just use them exclusively. They aren't doctors. They don't diagnose torn liagaments nor do they diagnose tendonitis. They can perform primary tests.

Some act like the Pacers live in this shell and only people on their direct payroll influence injury treatment.

Going back to the original point, would I like it if Dun had the surgery before the year started so he would be back that much sooner? Of course. But it's not like they diddle-daddled around and just wasted the time.


Hasn't he known about his tendinitis for his whole NBA career and part of his college? How much time and consultation does he need?

Anthem
03-06-2009, 06:00 PM
Hmm. If he's not able to come back, when do you think the "1 year counter" starts? Before this past season, the day of the surgery, or after next season?


There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley's entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley's salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.

If the player "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to his team's team salary when he plays in his 10th game in any one season (including pre-season, regular season and playoff games). This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. A team loses this salary cap relief even if the player later signs and plays 10 games with a different team.

If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.

Slick Pinkham
03-06-2009, 06:30 PM
Lets just hope the "repair" left enough tendon so that when he does come back there is no rupture, which would be an Antonio McDyess/ Cadillac Williams -like multiyear (or never) recovery.

count55
03-06-2009, 06:39 PM
Hmm. If he's not able to come back, when do you think the "1 year counter" starts? Before this past season, the day of the surgery, or after next season?

1 year from his last game played.

Gamble1
03-06-2009, 06:46 PM
Lets just hope the "repair" left enough tendon so that when he does come back there is no rupture, which would be an Antonio McDyess/ Cadillac Williams -like multiyear (or never) recovery.

Have you guys ever seen a torn ACL operation? Atleast the video I saw they cut a large chunk of petella tendon off and used it to replace the ACL. It sort of gives me hope that Dunleavy can come back from this operation.

Anthem
03-06-2009, 07:24 PM
1 year from his last game played.
Which was Feb 8. Ok, good to know.

Hicks
03-06-2009, 07:57 PM
The thing is, I'm sure he'll at least try to play once before calling it quits (if that's how this ends up), so I won't be keeping Feb 8th in mind.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Yeah, he'll play again. Whether he's ever >75% is tough to predict right now.

Some guys still make a good impact at far less than 100% healthy. Whether or not that is Dunn, I don't know...

Spirit
03-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Why are you guys all thinking his career is over? It's not like this is microfracture or something. He'll be fine.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Because we understand tendonitis injuries?

I wouldn't say its over at all. But I would question anyone that every thinks he'll ever be close to 100%. (I'll give you your good counterargument too, if you'd like: who say's he's been anywhere near 100% in the last eight years? It is an overuse injury, after all.)

Microfracture is a major trauma (just like an ACL used to be), but overuse injuries like tendonitis are frustrating for an athlete because the pain isn't sharp, but the dull ache destroys explosiveness, speed, lateral movement. And only feels better when you take the presecribed "several months" off and then it comes back again.

QuickRelease
03-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Yeah, he'll play again. Whether he's ever >75% is tough to predict right now.

Some guys still make a good impact at far less than 100% healthy. Whether or not that is Dunn, I don't know...

I'd say the chance is good for Dun, because he's a cerebral player.

DrFife
03-06-2009, 10:31 PM
"We can build him better than he was. Better ... stronger ... faster...."

(theme song) "ne-ne-ne-neee ... ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-ne-neee"

(A shocked Mark Boyle observing a vicious Dunleavy slam next season: "Oh my! Dunleavy with the tomahawk jam!")

(A giggling Slick Leonard: "Boy oh boy, Mahk! That's a new kind o' 'Boom Baby'!")

Naptown_Seth
03-07-2009, 01:02 AM
Good for Bender.
Fixed.

:-p

But seriously, it feels that way and plenty of people besides me called this dead freaking on. It's insane and stupid and infuriating. By all means don't get that surgery last summer or last Nov or 2 months ago. Let's wait until it pushes into playing time next year too.

I was at the 2nd to last game Bender ever played. I thought he looked good in that Philly game and was finally going to be right. I was excited. I am no longer excited or optimistic about this kind of BS. Not after JB and JO and Tinsley.

On this team this stuff lingers till you just never end up playing again, or so it seems. It feels borderline miracle that Quis returned so well this season. My pessimism was born of optimism abused, it was earned.

Naptown_Seth
03-07-2009, 01:09 AM
Ahem.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=813067&postcount=45
And while I understand Since86's informed opinion it doesn't make the incredible accuracy of this post less annoying. How is it so many of us could see this shaping up this way just by how they approached it and commented on it, but internally they had no idea because they had to exhaust every option.

Maybe the issue is that they should have said "he's probably done this year, will face an operation and then miss the start of next season too, but we're holding out hope it heals on it's own before that". Instead we got the typical string along as if no one had any idea at all.

I know, I know, they are shocked, SHOCKED, to find gambling in this establishment. Now round up the usual suspects, ie team comments.

JayRedd
03-07-2009, 04:23 AM
I know, I know, they are shocked, SHOCKED, to find gambling in this establishment.

This marks the first time I've ever had any respect for you.

Naptown_Seth
03-07-2009, 12:03 PM
This marks the first time I've ever had any respect for you.
Don't. I'm 6 creds short of a film theory degree (something all EE's should have) so going to the Casablanca well isn't exactly stretching the brain.

I should have gone Cassavetes "A Tinsley Under the Influence" in another thread, but I bricked that one.

d_c
03-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Microfracture is a major trauma (just like an ACL used to be), but overuse injuries like tendonitis are frustrating for an athlete because the pain isn't sharp, but the dull ache destroys explosiveness, speed, lateral movement. And only feels better when you take the presecribed "several months" off and then it comes back again.

Microfracture surgery isn't for major trauma injuries like ACL. People who need microfracture are the ones who have had gradual cartilage wear down in their knees.

Gamble1
03-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Microfracture surgery isn't for major trauma injuries like ACL. People who need microfracture are the ones who have had gradual cartilage wear down in their knees.

I think Chicago J is saying the surgery itself is a major trauma to the athlete. Which is true and why it takes the athlete forever to recover.

Naptown_Seth
03-07-2009, 09:36 PM
You know, I'm being a little grumpy on all this. At least we do have this part of the headline to be happy about...

Dunleavy underwent SUCCESSFUL surgery.

That's gotta be worth something at least. There, how's that for a little Sunshiner attitude. :)

MagicRat
03-07-2009, 10:05 PM
On the pregame show, Boyle just said the best case for his return is 12 months. Worst case 18 months.....Ouch.....

Hicks
03-07-2009, 10:15 PM
On the pregame show, Boyle just said the best case for his return is 12 months. Worst case 18 months.....Ouch.....

Man. That's much longer than I thought. I was hoping he'd be back by Jan. 2010.

This is a serious setback. It hasn't really sunk in yet, but I know it is.

kester99
03-07-2009, 10:24 PM
That's gotta be worth something at least. There, how's that for a little Sunshiner attitude. :)

Don't hurt yourself.

Hicks
03-07-2009, 10:38 PM
So the earliest he's back is March 2010, but more likely for training camp in October 2010 for the 2010-2011 season. Jeez. The next time he plays, he's an expiring contract.

speakout4
03-07-2009, 10:44 PM
I wonder when the pacer's injury insurance policy kicks in so the team is only responsible for 10% of his salary. I know this is independent of the luxury tax but at least they will have some of his salary for another player or two next season.

Anthem
03-07-2009, 10:47 PM
On the pregame show, Boyle just said the best case for his return is 12 months. Worst case 18 months.....Ouch.....
Wow.

Wow wow wow.

If the best case is a 12-month return, then the worst case isn't 18 months. It's never.

Holy cow.

Hicks
03-07-2009, 10:48 PM
I wonder when the pacer's injury insurance policy kicks in so the team is only responsible for 10% of his salary. I know this is independent of the luxury tax but at least they will have some of his salary for another player or two next season.

I thought that's only when they can't come back?

ChicagoJ
03-07-2009, 10:50 PM
I think Chicago J is saying the surgery itself is a major trauma to the athlete. Which is true and why it takes the athlete forever to recover.

Yes.

Anthem
03-07-2009, 10:59 PM
Wow.

Wow wow wow.

If the best case is a 12-month return, then the worst case isn't 18 months. It's never.

Holy cow.

And I haven't said this yet, because I've been so focused on the effect on the team and my frustration with the med staff. But how bad do you hurt for Dun, here? Poor guy. That's really gotta suck.

McKeyFan
03-07-2009, 11:06 PM
This is pretty huge news. Is it really confirmed? 12 months at the earliest?

I think we should keep Quis next year.

Naptown_Seth
03-08-2009, 02:03 AM
So the earliest he's back is March 2010, but more likely for training camp in October 2010 for the 2010-2011 season. Jeez. The next time he plays, he's an expiring contract.
So Tinsley part 2, or Bender part 9, I can't even keep track of the guys that sit for YEARS at a time getting paid.

imawhat
03-08-2009, 02:56 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090308/SPORTS04/903080365/1088/SPORTS04

Jeff Rabjohns

LOS ANGELES -- Mike Dunleavy should return to full strength at some point and likely will be playing basketball again sooner than expected, his father said Saturday. The Pacers' shooting guard had surgery Friday to remove a bone spur from his right patella tendon.


Mike Dunleavy Sr. said the reason recovery time could not be predicted before the procedure is because doctors didn't know how much damage the tendon would suffer during the removal of the bone spur.

"They had the best possible result," Dunleavy Sr. said before coaching the Clippers against the Pacers Saturday night. "They took a large bone spur out but there was very little damage to his tendon.

"As far as I know, they didn't have to graft. Everything I was told, it couldn't have been any better." If a graft of tendon had been required, it would have been similar to what happens during an ACL reconstruction. "Those guys who have ACLs done, they'll take a third of the patella (tendon) to do the graft, and those guys are walking around and playing with no issues, so in a sense, this is the same thing without the graft," Dunleavy Sr. said.

"It doesn't matter what the timing is as long as you have a full recovery. I think his issue was it could have taken up to a year if they had to do a graft. I'm not sure what the timing is now, but it probably cuts it down some." The surgery was performed at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colo., where Dunleavy is expected remain for at least a week. The Pacers, citing patient confidentiality laws, aren't commenting on the specifics of the procedure, only saying recovery will be "lengthy."

MrSparko
03-08-2009, 03:26 AM
So wait if its 12 months then if that comes true can the Pacers ask for the insurance thing or what not? Then just pray that Pacers don't become the next Portland (without the talent)?

count55
03-08-2009, 03:44 AM
So wait if its 12 months then if that comes true can the Pacers ask for the insurance thing or what not? Then just pray that Pacers don't become the next Portland (without the talent)?

I'm not sure how the insurance pays out, but they won't get any cap relief.

It is possible that this might result in some reimbursement from the Insurance policy, which wouldn't help the cap/tax issues, but would help the team financial.

Anthem
03-08-2009, 08:43 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090308/SPORTS04/903080365/1088/SPORTS04

Jeff Rabjohns

LOS ANGELES -- Mike Dunleavy should return to full strength at some point and likely will be playing basketball again sooner than expected, his father said Saturday. The Pacers' shooting guard had surgery Friday to remove a bone spur from his right patella tendon.


Mike Dunleavy Sr. said the reason recovery time could not be predicted before the procedure is because doctors didn't know how much damage the tendon would suffer during the removal of the bone spur.

"They had the best possible result," Dunleavy Sr. said before coaching the Clippers against the Pacers Saturday night. "They took a large bone spur out but there was very little damage to his tendon.

"As far as I know, they didn't have to graft. Everything I was told, it couldn't have been any better." If a graft of tendon had been required, it would have been similar to what happens during an ACL reconstruction. "Those guys who have ACLs done, they'll take a third of the patella (tendon) to do the graft, and those guys are walking around and playing with no issues, so in a sense, this is the same thing without the graft," Dunleavy Sr. said.

"It doesn't matter what the timing is as long as you have a full recovery. I think his issue was it could have taken up to a year if they had to do a graft. I'm not sure what the timing is now, but it probably cuts it down some." The surgery was performed at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colo., where Dunleavy is expected remain for at least a week. The Pacers, citing patient confidentiality laws, aren't commenting on the specifics of the procedure, only saying recovery will be "lengthy."

That's awesome. Really good news.

vnzla81
03-08-2009, 09:38 AM
they have a video on youtube about this procedure and is a lot of work, they open the whole leg and remove the bone spur...............:(

Justin Tyme
03-08-2009, 06:13 PM
This puts a possible fly in the ointment on the Pacers plans for how they handle their FA players of Jack and Daniels.

If it wasn't for bad luck, the Pacers would have no luck at all.

MrSparko
03-08-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm not sure how the insurance pays out, but they won't get any cap relief.

It is possible that this might result in some reimbursement from the Insurance policy, which wouldn't help the cap/tax issues, but would help the team financial.

Anything that helps the Simons helps the chances of the Pacers staying. So that's fine with me.

*Note I'd rather he play with us

CableKC
03-08-2009, 11:08 PM
This puts a possible fly in the ointment on the Pacers plans for how they handle their FA players of Jack and Daniels.

If it wasn't for bad luck, the Pacers would have no luck at all.
I don't think that it changes anything. Regardless of whether Dunleavy returns in 12 or 18 months, the Pacers would likely sign either of them in the offseason since we still need some experienced SG depth.

Los Angeles
03-09-2009, 12:05 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090308/SPORTS04/903080365/1088/SPORTS04

Jeff Rabjohns

LOS ANGELES -- Mike Dunleavy should return to full strength at some point and likely will be playing basketball again sooner than expected, his father said Saturday. The Pacers' shooting guard had surgery Friday to remove a bone spur from his right patella tendon.


Mike Dunleavy Sr. said the reason recovery time could not be predicted before the procedure is because doctors didn't know how much damage the tendon would suffer during the removal of the bone spur.

"They had the best possible result," Dunleavy Sr. said before coaching the Clippers against the Pacers Saturday night. "They took a large bone spur out but there was very little damage to his tendon.

"As far as I know, they didn't have to graft. Everything I was told, it couldn't have been any better." If a graft of tendon had been required, it would have been similar to what happens during an ACL reconstruction. "Those guys who have ACLs done, they'll take a third of the patella (tendon) to do the graft, and those guys are walking around and playing with no issues, so in a sense, this is the same thing without the graft," Dunleavy Sr. said.

"It doesn't matter what the timing is as long as you have a full recovery. I think his issue was it could have taken up to a year if they had to do a graft. I'm not sure what the timing is now, but it probably cuts it down some." The surgery was performed at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colo., where Dunleavy is expected remain for at least a week. The Pacers, citing patient confidentiality laws, aren't commenting on the specifics of the procedure, only saying recovery will be "lengthy."

Quoting this so everyone has a chance to read it. If all is true, Dunleavy Jr. will be ready to play next year.

Naptown_Seth
03-09-2009, 02:54 AM
Doctor Mike Dunleavy Sr. said the reason recovery time could not be predicted before the procedure is because doctors didn't know how much damage the tendon would suffer during the removal of the bone spur.
Fixed. ;)

Just saying there was a lot of speculation by his dad there. I'd like Jeff to get a follow-up with one of the docs or a specialist familiar with the surgery before I start penciling Dun to be back a lot sooner.


However it is good news that they apparently had the best possible procedure imaginable.

Bball
03-09-2009, 07:44 AM
Quoting this so everyone has a chance to read it. If all is true, Dunleavy Jr. will be ready to play next year.

If being the operative word.

I think it's too early for these proclamations just yet. I think comments like Sr's will only be truly more than a guessing game and hopeful talk after a couple of checkups are under Jr's belt. They will need to see how he progresses to really start to get a handle on things.

Actually, how he responds to rehab initially will be what is really telling.

-Bball

Unclebuck
03-09-2009, 08:49 AM
At this point who really knows. Kind of surprised his father said what he said.

I do know that pro sports teams are typically conservative about what they say in these type of situations

duke dynamite
03-09-2009, 10:21 AM
At this point who really knows. Kind of surprised his father said what he said.

I do know that pro sports teams are typically conservative about what they say in these type of situations
But it's not Sr.'s team, lol.

MrSparko
03-09-2009, 10:24 AM
A father would also hope for the best for his son.

TheRifleman51
03-09-2009, 04:39 PM
I understand that Dunleavy is a good player but how our team is playing better most importantly on D is a good enough reason to try and move him in the off season. We have more important issues such as resigning Jack and Quis who have been playing great and are better definders and trying to find time for Rush i dont think that can happen wit Dun Dun who hasn't been there while the team the team is growing. If there is any trade that would help us get and decent four i would jump on it. JMO

MrSparko
03-09-2009, 06:32 PM
Dun's not going anywhere if/until he proves that he recovered to at least 90% of the player he was last year. That or until he's an expiring contract.

clownskull
03-10-2009, 09:27 AM
I understand that Dunleavy is a good player but how our team is playing better most importantly on D is a good enough reason to try and move him in the off season. We have more important issues such as resigning Jack and Quis who have been playing great and are better definders and trying to find time for Rush i dont think that can happen wit Dun Dun who hasn't been there while the team the team is growing. If there is any trade that would help us get and decent four i would jump on it. JMO

at this point, dun's trade value is zero. so trading is definitely not an option. and as far as quis is concerned this season has been an aberation in terms of his reliability. i expect the law of averages to kick back in on him again.

d_c
03-10-2009, 09:40 AM
I understand that Dunleavy is a good player but how our team is playing better most importantly on D is a good enough reason to try and move him in the off season. We have more important issues such as resigning Jack and Quis who have been playing great and are better definders and trying to find time for Rush i dont think that can happen wit Dun Dun who hasn't been there while the team the team is growing. If there is any trade that would help us get and decent four i would jump on it. JMO

If there was a time to trade Dunleavy, it would have been this past summer when his stock was relatively high.

Who right now is going to trade a decent 4 for a SF who is injured, costs $9M a year and is a complete unknown when it comes to when he's going to play again?

BRushWithDeath
03-10-2009, 09:44 AM
If there was a time to trade Dunleavy, it would have been this past summer when his stock was relatively high.

Who right now is going to trade anything for a SF who is injured, costs $9M a year and is a complete unknown when it comes to if he's going to play again?

Fixed.

MyFavMartin
03-10-2009, 08:40 PM
Maybe we should update the title of the thread in light of the new information?

MiaDragon
03-10-2009, 08:45 PM
Maybe we should update the title of the thread in light of the new information?

What new info?

Shade
03-11-2009, 12:03 AM
This sucks for Dunleavy, sucks for the Pacers, and sucks for the fans.

In short, this just sucks.

12-18 months? Holy cow. Looks like make-or-break time for Brandon.

Trader Joe
03-11-2009, 12:34 AM
Wow.

Wow wow wow.

If the best case is a 12-month return, then the worst case isn't 18 months. It's never.

Holy cow.

Bingo. If Dun ever plays again in a Pacers jersey I'll be shocked.

Trader Joe
03-11-2009, 12:36 AM
But it's not Sr.'s team, lol.

Even more reason for him to keep his mouth shut.

I thought Dun Sr.'s comments were totally unprofessional.

He's not a Dr. and he damn sure isn't a representative of the Pacers organization (and I hope he never is, what he's done to the Clipps is shameful).

Trader Joe
03-11-2009, 12:38 AM
Bill Simmons was looking for a guy to replace Theo Ratliff/Raef Lafrentz's expiring contract, Dun might just be that guy.

Sucks for Dun, I feel absolutely terrible for the guy, and I hope he recovers 100%, but I'm more worried about the Pacers.

I wanted Dun moved over the summer when his value was high and now this, just sucks.

ChicagoJ
03-11-2009, 12:52 AM
Even more reason for him to keep his mouth shut.

I thought Dun Sr.'s comments were totally unprofessional.

I hope not. He's a father. And his son just had major surgery that may bother him for the rest of his playing career.

Let's say, hypothetically, that father and son had dreamed of working together as player and coach one day - this may have put a huge damper on it and Dunn Sr. is trying to find a bright spot.

He's the wrong target for criticism, IMO.