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idioteque
03-06-2009, 11:18 AM
This is a really random thing to bring up, but I was looking for a quote today about Donnie Walsh claiming that Jalen Rose was not being shopped (for something unrelated to basketball) and I got to reading the synopsis of the Rose for Miller/Artest/Mercer trade.

Why did Ron (Mercer) not work out in Indiana? It appears that before he was traded to the Pacers he was actually averaging 16.8 ppg. When he came to Indiana, he averaged only about 5. The next season, he averaged 7, and then was picked up by San Antonio, where his numbers stayed in the same ballpark.

I just think it is strange for someone who had been averaging 15+ ppg since his rookie year to drop off so rapidly like that. I don't remember the brief Ron Mercer era in Indiana that well, as I was going through some stupid high school phase where I thought I was too cool to like sports, or something. :laugh:

Can any of the old diehards help me out here?

Dr. Goldfoot
03-06-2009, 11:21 AM
Knees injuries. I remember thinking he'd be Reggie's replacement, silly me. He played alot of point for some reason while he was here.

Unclebuck
03-06-2009, 11:24 AM
I'm offended to be called an "old diehard" - but not offended enough to not answer your question. (sorry for the poor grammar - that is what happens when you get old)

He wasn't that good, the question is how in the heck did he average 16.8 points per game. This question needs to be addressed by Bulls fans.

Lets see we have a Harrison thread, and now a Mercer thread. Maybe now is the time for a Kevin Ollie thread

Brad8888
03-06-2009, 11:31 AM
Kevin Ollie, one of the single most important 10th men in our storied franchise history! :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh: ;):-p :laugh:

Dr. Goldfoot
03-06-2009, 11:31 AM
He did have 4 1/2 good seasons w/ the Celtics,Nuggets, Magic & Bulls.
15.3
17.0
16.9
19.7
& then that half season of 16.8

I guess we should really ask the Pacers what happened.;)

He was a combo of decent player on crappy teams/ injuries though right?

idioteque
03-06-2009, 11:32 AM
I'm offended to be called an "old diehard" - but not offended enough to not answer your question. (sorry for the poor grammar - that is what happens when you get old)

He wasn't that good, the question is how in the heck did he average 16.8 points per game. This question needs to be addressed by Bulls fans.

Lets see we have a Harrison thread, and now a Mercer thread. Maybe now is the time for a Kevin Ollie thread

Sorry Buck, I can't ever miss a good opportunity to harass you. I will be in town for the 500 in May, so be prepared to find a burning pile of you know what on your doorstep.

FWIW, I actually liked Kevin Ollie, and I even liked Keith McLeod pretty well. Believe it or not, Ollie is still in the league. See, I have proof, he's in the new Wolves uni.

https://s.foxsports.com/fe/img/NBA/Headshots/140x170/3237.jpg

idioteque
03-06-2009, 11:35 AM
He did have 4 1/2 good seasons w/ the Celtics,Nuggets, Magic & Bulls.
15.3
17.0
16.9
19.7
& then that half season of 16.8

I guess we should really ask the Pacers what happened.;)

He was a combo of decent player on crappy teams/ injuries though right?

4 teams in 4 years. Maybe that says something.

Unclebuck
03-06-2009, 11:55 AM
He did have 4 1/2 good seasons w/ the Celtics,Nuggets, Magic & Bulls.
15.3
17.0
16.9
19.7
& then that half season of 16.8

I guess we should really ask the Pacers what happened.;)

He was a combo of decent player on crappy teams/ injuries though right?

Good points. OK, I'll go with the knee injury thing. Isiah did play him a lot at point guard. Didn't Mercer have a pretty good playoff series for us I think either against the Nets (2002)or the Celtics (2003). Mercer was a decent NBA player - I think there were some issues with him though on the court stuff - oh wait, weren't there rumors of him staying out late and not working hard in practice. I should just shut up because this is very vague. Artest dominated things so much back then, who remembers Mercer

Anthem
03-06-2009, 12:07 PM
Artest dominated things so much back then, who remembers Mercer

I do.

The Bulls had a ridiculous amount of cap space, and they planned to use it on TMac and Duncan. Both guys stiffed them, and so Chicago had all this space to use and nobody who wanted to sign there (it was very much NOT seen as a destination franchise back then). Chicago missed the premiere free agents, and then missed the secondaries (who all got signed while Chi was pursuing bigger names) and thus had to settle for the third-stringers, ie Mercer.

Mercer was the poster child for the best scorer on a bad team. His percentages were atrocious, and while he led the team in scoring he wasn't someone anybody feared. Indy didn't want him at all... instead they wanted Oakley and his expiring contract (Mercer had another year at like 7mil, which back then was big money). But they got Mercer instead, and they really didn't have a place for him. Reggie was the starting 2, Ron was the starting 3, Al was still a 3, Bender was a 3. Mercer was a decent ballhandler and passer, so Zeke played him at point a lot (Zeke really wanted the big point guard thing to work).

Indy ended up sending Hedo Turkoglu to San Antonio in return for their taking Mercer. Nobody cried when he left. He never did anything afterwards, either.

The dude had a lot of natural talent, but he never really improved at the NBA level. He just didn't have the drive that guys like Granger had. I don't know that he ever got in major trouble for anything, although the rumors were that he was pretty self-centered, but he was hardly alone in that group.

Basically, the reason he didn't do more for the Pacers was that he wasn't good enough to be a major part of the rotation.

Spirit
03-06-2009, 12:21 PM
Indy ended up sending Hedo Turkoglu to San Antonio in return for their taking Mercer.
Misleading.. that was a three team deal. The way you wrote it you made me think we actually had Turkoglu :lol: I was about to be pissed we didn't keep him.

BKK
03-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Sorry Buck, I can't ever miss a good opportunity to harass you. I will be in town for the 500 in May, so be prepared to find a burning pile of you know what on your doorstep.

FWIW, I actually liked Kevin Ollie, and I even liked Keith McLeod pretty well. Believe it or not, Ollie is still in the league. See, I have proof, he's in the new Wolves uni.

https://s.foxsports.com/fe/img/NBA/Headshots/140x170/3237.jpg

having eyebrows bigger than mustache is the definition of cool :dance:

count55
03-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Ron Mercer was a notoriously streaky shooter. Once, he went 14 months without hitting a jump shot, then hit four straight, justifying his attempts for another year. Isiah did use him at point, but Isiah used virtually everyone on the roster at point at one time or another.

They did have to install a new offense when he played the point, but it wasn't difficult to pick up, since it only involved the other players on the team running frantically back on defense after Mercer had turned it over around half court.

It was called the "ultra-quick."

Kid Minneapolis
03-06-2009, 01:17 PM
I remember not knowing much about Mercer except that he had a good scoring average when he came to the team, and then I remember being underwhelmed after watching him play his first few games, thinking to myself "how did this guy average almost 20/game?"

I remember that some folks seemed to think he was athletic, but to me, he seemed slow, no explosion, not very good hops, not very strong, and not very quick... compared to everyone else on the court, anyway. Maybe he was going through some injuries at the time, I don't know.

pacerwaala
03-06-2009, 01:25 PM
Kevin Ollie, one of the single most important 10th men in our storied franchise history! :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh: ;):-p :laugh:

Kevin Ollie had the all important assist on the all important basket that caused the NBA to start reviewing plays at the end of quarters to see if the shot got off the shooters hand before the red light lit up.

Also, Ron Mercer had a 3 point play against Jason Kid in the 5th game of that series. The f...ing refree called it a charge on Ron Mercer. It was at the end of regulation or end of 1st OT. I am sure we would have won that game with that 3 pt. play

cramerica
03-06-2009, 02:14 PM
I remember being pretty excited to get him. But the guy could only shoot around the 15-17 foot range and was very inconsistent. Isiah did play him at PG alot, which really hurt and Anthem is right about the best scorer on a bad team.

count55
03-06-2009, 02:23 PM
Kevin Ollie had the all important assist on the all important basket that caused the NBA to start reviewing plays at the end of quarters to see if the shot got off the shooters hand before the red light lit up.

Also, Ron Mercer had a 3 point play against Jason Kid in the 5th game of that series. The f...ing refree called it a charge on Ron Mercer. It was at the end of regulation or end of 1st OT. I am sure we would have won that game with that 3 pt. play

Of course, Ollie also airballed a 12-footer in the first OT that I think would have given or extended our lead...at a key point.

After the game, Reggie made frustrated comments about players not being ready to deal with that situation, and I always thought the Ollie play was the big one he was talking about.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 02:26 PM
His knees were bad, so by the time he got to Indiana he was a shooter only, but his range was only out to about 18 feet.

That's a bad combination.

Since86
03-06-2009, 02:46 PM
He could still get up, when he wanted too. (TWSS)

My most vivid memory of him was a game against the PaperClips. He caught a fast break oop and the ball seemed like it went past the corner of the backboard towards out of bounds. Merc caught it one hand, and threw it down. It would have been just an amazing catch, period. I believe it was #1 on SC's Top 10 that day. (I was sitting row 5 right on the corner where it happened that day, so it's clear as can be.)

It was also when I fell in love with Ron the player. He had a hell of a shooting game, just scoring at will. He also racked up other good numbers as well. Too bad Ron the person let me down.

billbradley
03-06-2009, 03:08 PM
i remember mercer doing everything right except making the shot

count55
03-06-2009, 03:08 PM
i remember mercer doing everything right except making the shot

Yes

makaveli
03-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Ron Mercer was a notoriously streaky shooter. Once, he went 14 months without hitting a jump shot, then hit four straight, justifying his attempts for another year.


Quite possibly both the funniest and most honest statement I have ever read on here, all wrapped into one. Exactly, the Ron Mercer I remember.

grace
03-06-2009, 03:17 PM
I loved Ron Mercer.

Anthem
03-06-2009, 03:50 PM
Misleading.. that was a three team deal. The way you wrote it you made me think we actually had Turkoglu :lol: I was about to be pissed we didn't keep him.
We did have him. He was ours; we could have kept him if we wanted to.

Hicks
03-06-2009, 04:00 PM
We did have him. He was ours; we could have kept him if we wanted to.

Yep. Brad Miller was turned into Scot Pollard and Hedo Turkoglu. We then turned Hedo and Ron into Danny Ferry's expiring contract.

At least the Pacers saved money. :dance:

ChicagoJ
03-06-2009, 04:04 PM
At least the Pacers saved money. :dance:

How did they do that? Your post doesn't mention anything about automobile insurance or GEICO.

Dr. Goldfoot
03-06-2009, 04:10 PM
They couldn't afford Brad and they needed the cap space Ferry's contract would eventually give to resign not only Reggie Miller but Tinsley & AJ. Remember how they were trying to get T.Brandon but fell back on this deal? They were doing anything to get something for Brad.

Young
03-06-2009, 04:30 PM
Sorry Buck, I can't ever miss a good opportunity to harass you. I will be in town for the 500 in May, so be prepared to find a burning pile of you know what on your doorstep.

FWIW, I actually liked Kevin Ollie, and I even liked Keith McLeod pretty well. Believe it or not, Ollie is still in the league. See, I have proof, he's in the new Wolves uni.

https://s.foxsports.com/fe/img/NBA/Headshots/140x170/3237.jpg

Same here.

I still wish we had Ollie as a third string point guard. I think he does what the coaches ask and is great to have in the locker room. He isn't that great on the court but there is a reason why he always manages to find a spot somewhere.

I think Mercer had some talent but injuries hurt him. He was a pretty good scorer on the Bulls but those teams were real bad. AJ Guyton had some good games with those teams.