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CableKC
03-04-2009, 12:29 AM
The Pacers were able to beat a Team that they are supposed to beat. Surprisingly, we were able to maintain the lead throughout the game. Murphy is continuing his solid Game play....Diener was 5-6 from the 3pt line.

Also...who was defending KMart?

Although he went to the FT line 14 times ( while hitting all 14 of them ), he was 3-12 from the field.....not bad defense on him.

Thoughts?

duke dynamite
03-04-2009, 12:34 AM
Well, I say kudos to this team. We gained a spot on Milwaukee, and like Cable said, we beat a team we were supposed to beat.

Let's keep it up.

huber14
03-04-2009, 12:37 AM
I could see Danny coming back tomorrow after this win to make one last push for the playoffs and keeping the streak alive.

Kuq_e_Zi91
03-04-2009, 12:38 AM
Also...who was defending KMart?

Although he went to the FT line 14 times ( while hitting all 14 of them ), he was 3-12 from the field.....not bad defense on him.

Thoughts?

Exactly. I was worried a little bit because he went off against us last time. I believe it was Marquis, though. Give him a lot of credit for sticking with him and not letting him get into a rhythm.

Without a clear second option for the Kings, keeping Martin in check was very important to this win.

pwee31
03-04-2009, 12:42 AM
Awesome game tonight.

Got a road win.
Beat a team we were suppose to beat
Held on to a lead throughout the game

The team is playing really well, and best of all.. together! The box score says it all when you look at how much the scoring was spread around.

The Nets did themselves and us a favor by rallying in the 4th and beating the Bucks

Only 2 games back with the Bucks in Cleveland tomorrow and I believe the Nets in Boston.

If we can sneak out of Portland with a win, we may find ourselves 1 game back of the 8th spot!!

And we still play the Bucks the last game of the season!

ReginaldWayne
03-04-2009, 12:46 AM
I asked in the random thoughts thread, but what if on the last day of the season we are down 1 game and we beat the bucks to end up with the same reg. season record? Does it go by Conference record or division record ?

bnd45
03-04-2009, 12:46 AM
-I like how JOB played Diener the entire 4th quarter. I wish he could catch fire more than once every couple of weeks because when he's knocking down shots, he's clearly our best PG.

We got up by 21 in the 3rd and Ford started playing like a moron and killed all of our momentum.

-Rookie watch: Hibbert struggled the 1st half, but seemd to slow himself down in the 3rd and had a few nice takes. Rush was terrible all night long.

-I love watching Marquis Daniels play. (Although I'm still not sure what happened on that fastbreak against Bobby Jackson.)

MyFavMartin
03-04-2009, 12:51 AM
If you look at the collective teams in the hunt for the 8th spot and their schedules over the next 3-5 games, the Pacers may very well be in that 8th spot very soon and control their playoff destiny.

Thesterovic
03-04-2009, 12:58 AM
If you look at the collective teams in the hunt for the 8th spot and their schedules over the next 3-5 games, the Pacers may very well be in that 8th spot very soon and control their playoff destiny.

We'll only get better from here on out! With Granger back, Jack and Murph on FIRE, and with Diener running everything, we should beast from here on out. Here's the rest of our schedule:

vs. Portland - Either way no idea
vs. LAC - Win
vs. Utah - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Loss probably but possibly not
vs. Toronto - Win
vs. Portland - Home Win
vs. Dallas - Pretty easy home win
vs. Charlotte - Win
vs. Miami - Home Win with about 55% chance of winning
vs. Chicago - Win
vs. Washington - Win
vs. Chicago - Home Win
vs. San Antonio - Home Loss
vs. OKC - Win
vs. Toronto - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Probably a Loss
vs. Detroit - Home Win
vs. Cleveland - Home Loss
vs. Milwaukee - Home Win

14 - 5 or 13-6 sounds about right because our schedule really is that easy.

peasouptexan7
03-04-2009, 01:00 AM
Good team win...I knew we still had a shot at the playoffs if we just continued to worry about ourselves and play well. 19 games and only 2 games back, we've got to take advantage of this. After all the crap we've been through this year, it'd be remarkable for this team to make the playoffs. No matter what happens, I'll always be proud to be a Pacers fan.

Coop
03-04-2009, 01:02 AM
No offense, but that is way too optimistic. I would say .500 during that stretch would be good. Will that get us into the playoffs? Who knows. I wouldn't expect to go 14-5 or 13-6 though.

Kuq_e_Zi91
03-04-2009, 01:03 AM
Did anyone else notice Danny on the bench? He was constantly standing up, jumping up and down, and waving his towel. He was really into it and having a good time cheering for the team.

That, along with how Roy acts on the bench, makes me love this team so much more.

Noodle
03-04-2009, 01:19 AM
The Pacers were able to beat a Team that they are supposed to beat. Surprisingly, we were able to maintain the lead throughout the game. Murphy is continuing his solid Game play....Diener was 5-6 from the 3pt line.

Also...who was defending KMart?

Although he went to the FT line 14 times ( while hitting all 14 of them ), he was 3-12 from the field.....not bad defense on him.

Thoughts?

Mostly Daniels and Rush. Jack and Graham pitched in. Rush was killing Garcia and Kmart with his defense. Rush did, however, get beat on screens a lot, leading to help-side fouls and free throws.

Just for the record(off topic), Murphy had very little to do with Spencer Hawes' scoring night. Blame that on Roy and Jeff, to slow. In fact, Spencer's success ended when Murphy was on guard. Also, let it be noted that Murphy guarded Nocioni better than Foster. Like to see more of that from Troy.

Re-sign Jack.

clownskull
03-04-2009, 01:34 AM
We'll only get better from here on out! With Granger back, Jack and Murph on FIRE, and with Diener running everything, we should beast from here on out. Here's the rest of our schedule:

vs. Portland - Either way no idea
vs. LAC - Win
vs. Utah - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Loss probably but possibly not
vs. Toronto - Win
vs. Portland - Home Win
vs. Dallas - Pretty easy home win
vs. Charlotte - Win
vs. Miami - Home Win with about 55% chance of winning
vs. Chicago - Win
vs. Washington - Win
vs. Chicago - Home Win
vs. San Antonio - Home Loss
vs. OKC - Win
vs. Toronto - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Probably a Loss
vs. Detroit - Home Win
vs. Cleveland - Home Loss
vs. Milwaukee - Home Win

14 - 5 or 13-6 sounds about right because our schedule really is that easy.

not trying to pick on you but, one thing i noticed is you have the pacers going on an 8-game win streak with toronto to san antonio. this team hasn't won more than 3 games in a row in about 4-5 years. i give this team a negative 55% chance of pulling that off.
it doesn't matter who the opponents would be.
i am a very strong believer in that only truly good teams can go on significant runs (like 4 or more) this is not a truly good team (especially considering all the injured guys). they will most likely go about .500 the rest of the way. where that gets them- i don't know.
hate to be a bobby buzzkill but, i'm just giving my honest oppinion.

WetBob
03-04-2009, 01:39 AM
We'll only get better from here on out! With Granger back, Jack and Murph on FIRE, and with Diener running everything, we should beast from here on out. Here's the rest of our schedule:

vs. Portland - Either way no idea
vs. LAC - Win
vs. Utah - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Loss probably but possibly not
vs. Toronto - Win
vs. Portland - Home Win
vs. Dallas - Pretty easy home win
vs. Charlotte - Win
vs. Miami - Home Win with about 55% chance of winning
vs. Chicago - Win
vs. Washington - Win
vs. Chicago - Home Win
vs. San Antonio - Home Loss
vs. OKC - Win
vs. Toronto - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Probably a Loss
vs. Detroit - Home Win
vs. Cleveland - Home Loss
vs. Milwaukee - Home Win

14 - 5 or 13-6 sounds about right because our schedule really is that easy.

If we win 9 of those games I will be extremely, pleasantly surprised. Come down to Earth and take another look.

With this team there isn't a game on the schedule you can count as a win or a loss.

MyFavMartin
03-04-2009, 01:58 AM
Don't just look at the next 3-5 games of the Pacer, but look at who the Bucks, Bulls, Nets, and Cats and tell me we can't close the 2 game gap on the 8th spot in the next 10 days.

Anybody think the Sixers will fade?

MyFavMartin
03-04-2009, 02:09 AM
Watch Danny and Mini-Me's response at 1:00 minute to Murph's reverse dunk

http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2009/03/03/nba_ind_sac_0020800903_1h_hl.nba/whatsnew/index.html

BRushWithDeath
03-04-2009, 02:41 AM
Don't just look at the next 3-5 games of the Pacer, but look at who the Bucks, Bulls, Nets, and Cats and tell me we can't close the 2 game gap on the 8th spot in the next 10 days.

Anybody think the Sixers will fade?

We can't close the 2 game gap on the 8th spot in the next 10 days.

And no.

D-BONE
03-04-2009, 07:01 AM
I know this is a topic in another thread, but after seeing the team play and point distribution last night, it's timely here I think.

If there's to be any playoff run, Danny will have to find a way to integrate back into the flow that has been established in his absence. I'm hopeful, as has been suggested elsewhere, that this would mean he'd have to shoulder less on the offensive end, but ideally could focus more on impacting the game on the defensive end.

Whatever happens, the other guys have to be as engaged as they are now for us to continue to have any success. Cannot get passive waiting for DG to do something.

BPump33
03-04-2009, 08:42 AM
Did anyone else notice Danny on the bench? He was constantly standing up, jumping up and down, and waving his towel. He was really into it and having a good time cheering for the team.

That, along with how Roy acts on the bench, makes me love this team so much more.

:amen:

It really looks like these guys like each other on and off the court. I appreciate that.

duke dynamite
03-04-2009, 09:08 AM
Watch Danny and Mini-Me's response at 1:00 minute to Murph's reverse dunk

http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2009/03/03/nba_ind_sac_0020800903_1h_hl.nba/whatsnew/index.html
Nice.

Unclebuck
03-04-2009, 09:16 AM
Don't sleep on the Bobcats, they are playing extremely well and there schedule is pretty easy also. Anyone who has followed larry Brown, should not be surprised one bit that he has the Cats playing very well

Justin Tyme
03-04-2009, 11:23 AM
Don't sleep on the Bobcats, they are playing extremely well and there schedule is pretty easy also. Anyone who has followed larry Brown, should not be surprised one bit that he has the Cats playing very well


We don't agree often, but on this we do.

Brown's MO is to have the FO to get players that fit his system, and he has.
Chicago is another team to keep an eye on.

Unclebuck
03-04-2009, 11:43 AM
We don't agree often, but on this we do.

Brown's MO is to have the FO to get players that fit his system, and he has.
Chicago is another team to keep an eye on.

The difficulty the Pacers are going to have to reach the playoffs won't be the 2 or 3 games back that they are right now, it is the 4 or 5 teams all competing. That means whoever gets the 8th spot will have to earn

CableKC
03-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Watch Danny and Mini-Me's response at 1:00 minute to Murph's reverse dunk

http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2009/03/03/nba_ind_sac_0020800903_1h_hl.nba/whatsnew/index.html
At the :16 second mark.......I liked the play where TJ dribble to the hoop then passes the ball ( at the last second ) to Murphy AT THE TOP OF THE KEY :-o where he drains the 3pt shot.

How TJ was able to pass the ball ( much less see ) Murphy at the top of the key is beyond me.

pwee31
03-04-2009, 12:07 PM
Watch Danny and Mini-Me's response at 1:00 minute to Murph's reverse dunk

http://www.nba.com/video/games/kings/2009/03/03/nba_ind_sac_0020800903_1h_hl.nba/whatsnew/index.html

Ha I like the commentary at the end on Diener's 3. " I don't know where that came from, but I know where it went" :laugh:

danman
03-04-2009, 12:11 PM
At the :16 second mark.......I liked the play where TJ dribble to the hoop then passes the ball ( at the last second ) to Murphy AT THE TOP OF THE KEY :-o where he drains the 3pt shot.

How TJ was able to pass the ball ( much less see ) Murphy at the top of the key is beyond me.

He knew the passing lane was there when he crossed over to the left side, plus he gave the pass a bit of a lob. He didn't see Murph at all, but he knew where Murph would set up and he also knew that the King post player would pull into the paint for the rebound. Most big men hate guarding anyone outside anyway.

Or put another way, TJ is a real deal point guard.

And I'm not as down on BRush as some. He was clueless on offense, but he played very well defensively for a rookie. His help D was outstanding on several plays, and he can keep players in front of him.

CableKC
03-04-2009, 12:21 PM
He knew the passing lane was there when he crossed over to the left side, plus he gave the pass a bit of a lob. He didn't see Murph at all, but he knew where Murph would set up and he also knew that the King post player would pull into the paint for the rebound. Most big men hate guarding anyone outside anyway.

Or put another way, TJ is a real deal point guard.

And I'm not as down on BRush as some. He was clueless on offense, but he played very well defensively for a rookie. His help D was outstanding on several plays, and he can keep players in front of him.
To be fair.....for every play that TJ makes like this....I have seen 3 other plays where he does the same exact thing and ends up putting up a bad shot that gets blocked by a forest of Big Men that converge on him or he ends up losing the ball.

When TJ is in the zone....he can be as amazing as he was yesterday night. The problem is that he has to get into the zone first.

rexnom
03-04-2009, 12:21 PM
I know this is a topic in another thread, but after seeing the team play and point distribution last night, it's timely here I think.

If there's to be any playoff run, Danny will have to find a way to integrate back into the flow that has been established in his absence. I'm hopeful, as has been suggested elsewhere, that this would mean he'd have to shoulder less on the offensive end, but ideally could focus more on impacting the game on the defensive end.

Whatever happens, the other guys have to be as engaged as they are now for us to continue to have any success. Cannot get passive waiting for DG to do something.
HAHA, this says SO much about how far Danny has come this year.

McKeyFan
03-04-2009, 12:23 PM
Larry Brown is usually good at getting his teams to peak around this point of the season.

Likewise, I see a bit of peaking with our team. It's especially gratifying to see with Granger out. We could see a good stretch coming up, possibly, and if we made the playoffs we would be peaking at the right time.

Several players are breaking out: Danny, Murph, Jack, Quis. Rush and Roy are improving, Diener is looking good, TJ is at least trying to pass more and watch his shot selection.

I like what I'm seeing.

Naptown_Seth
03-04-2009, 03:01 PM
And I'm not as down on BRush as some. He was clueless on offense, but he played very well defensively for a rookie. His help D was outstanding on several plays, and he can keep players in front of him.
Not clueless, more like inhibited by a passive first instinct. He'll come out of that over time I believe, but he likes to share and defer a lot more than he likes to take over. He even improved during the college year last season as he gained confidence, and still he liked to hand it over to Chalmers and Arthur, even Collins.
On the other end though I'd say he's been playing that kind of D for years.

Now this is the kind of game by Troy, scoring aside even, that is very easy to praise. Fans of his shouldn't get so bent out of shape about the rebounding issue, there is something to that complaint but that doesn't diminish some of the other stuff (including some rebounding) he is doing.
His shooting is getting almost stupid he's been so hot. Definitely has settled into his role in the grand scheme. If they can make the whole package work with him doing that part, then so bet it. I can deal with that even at his price.

I guess we have to question the Kings PG play because all the Pacers PG had strong nights. I will say that while Jack/TJ were strong last night, I really also think that Diener has taken great strides in his own game. I think he is significantly better this year. He's becoming a more aggressive passer without really amping up the high risk, easy TO situations.

Bird just may have been ahead of the curve on him. I know he's a short defensive liability, but he so good with the ball and obviously has the ability to punish teams who don't respect his open 3. I like his price as a backup PG more than Jack's, regardless of Jack's defense.

Quis - how can they not keep this guy? Look at the team's PPG allowed when he plays 20 minutes vs when he was out or still injured basically. Add to that having Rush out there with him and it's not hard to see the improved defensive results. I don't see how Quis THIS YEAR isn't worth his price tag. If the argument is "he'll be hurt all the time" then okay, tough to deny that concern. But if he plays it's a very fair deal IMO.


Danny is the new JO - in or out makes no difference, or worse yet the team wins more without him. Hey, let's play fair here, many of you guys were eager to run this stat out against JO, so it has to come out against Danny too. Either it means something or it never did, I don't care which side you pick on the matter.

I like the current setup, Roy and Rush are getting quality minutes for development, situations where they are challenged and where you can gauge improvements, and yet the team also remains competitive.

I'm stunned that they've managed to stay this close. Frankly as thin as this draft appears to be I'd say just go ahead and get to 8th if you can because spots 10-15 don't appear much different right now. Winning now would suggest that the team already improved via the draft...last year (and Danny's year).

You know you don't have to get better via the draft every year. Once you get 2-3 guys that have solid impacts you can climb pretty quickly as they develop. Usually at that point you finish it up by tweeking with vet moves/trades. Maybe that's what next season will be about as younger guys develop around Danny as the main scorer.

Worked with Reggie, Rik and Dale basically. I know Rik was a #2, but he also came before Reggie and Dale and the team was still bad. The kick up to the next level wasn't getting that magic #3 pick, it was getting good early teens picks that grew pretty quickly into strong, quality starters.

Naptown_Seth
03-04-2009, 03:10 PM
We'll only get better from here on out! With Granger back, Jack and Murph on FIRE, and with Diener running everything, we should beast from here on out. Here's the rest of our schedule:

vs. Portland - Either way no idea
vs. LAC - Win
vs. Utah - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Loss probably but possibly not
vs. Toronto - Win
vs. Portland - Home Win
vs. Dallas - Pretty easy home win
vs. Charlotte - Win
vs. Miami - Home Win with about 55% chance of winning
vs. Chicago - Win
vs. Washington - Win
vs. Chicago - Home Win
vs. San Antonio - Home Loss
vs. OKC - Win
vs. Toronto - Home Win
vs. Atlanta - Probably a Loss
vs. Detroit - Home Win
vs. Cleveland - Home Loss
vs. Milwaukee - Home Win

14 - 5 or 13-6 sounds about right because our schedule really is that easy.
When did road wins vs top flight playoff teams start becoming a maybe?

Utah, Portland = obvious home wins????
Dallas = EASY home win?

Yeah, because those teams got all those wins by blowing games to bottom feeders in the East. Look, the Pacers COULD win any of these games, certainly they've beat many top teams so far. But how can anyone in their right mind look at those as expected wins?

Talk about counting chickens before they're hatched. I'm happy about the team's play and hopeful, but at the same time their track record suggests losing to Millwaukee as much as it suggests they beat Utah.


It looks like it might yet finish out as a solid dogfight. I'm just happy they are in it enough that a win over Portland or Dallas will be more than just symbolic.

Thesterovic
03-04-2009, 03:24 PM
When did road wins vs top flight playoff teams start becoming a maybe?

Utah, Portland = obvious home wins????
Dallas = EASY home win?

Yeah, because those teams got all those wins by blowing games to bottom feeders in the East. Look, the Pacers COULD win any of these games, certainly they've beat many top teams so far. But how can anyone in their right mind look at those as expected wins?

Talk about counting chickens before they're hatched. I'm happy about the team's play and hopeful, but at the same time their track record suggests losing to Millwaukee as much as it suggests they beat Utah.


It looks like it might yet finish out as a solid dogfight. I'm just happy they are in it enough that a win over Portland or Dallas will be more than just symbolic.


Well I have changed my mind about Portland. But I say we are still going to win against Utah. And we are going to win vs. Dallas because we never lose when I am in attendance at games. Plus they won't have Howard or Terry.