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YankeesPacersFan
03-03-2009, 01:27 PM
As I was looking over the pacers expiring contracts, I started to look at ESPN's list of unrestricted free agents this offseason and the next. Obviously, the Pacers just don't have the means to sign a guy like LrBron, Wade, Bosh in the huge free agent class coming up. But I saw that a big man like Carlos Boozer is a free agent this offseason, he seems like a guy that could fit in well in Indiana. Any thoughts on free agents in the next couple years that you guys would like to see come to Indy?

Major Cold
03-03-2009, 01:33 PM
Take it easy guys look at his date of birth into PD before you rip into him.

flox
03-03-2009, 01:34 PM
I highly doubt Boozer is opting out this summer, and with his injury issues and other teams cooling off on him we could get him, but I would hate to have him, he doesn't fit the defensive hole we have, and if he can get outplayed by Millsap there must be something with Sloan's system..he might be just a system player.

I would really like to throw a lot of money into a shotblocking 4/5, like Chandler...getting him would be amazing. If Stanko ever gets enough playing time in Tau, he could be a replacement for Murphy. We might just want to stick him in d-league soon, because of the jam of forwards he is behind.

Maybe a Ross or a Mihm or a shelden williams...a robert swift or wilcox. I really don't see us getting anyone big but getting some smaller names that fit a need.

Major Cold
03-03-2009, 01:34 PM
It is understood that Indiana is not a place where players desire to go to. Anyway we get a higher caliber player like Boozer is we trade for them or draft them.

2minutes twowa
03-03-2009, 02:24 PM
It is understood that Indiana is not a place where players desire to go to. Anyway we get a higher caliber player like Boozer is we trade for them or draft them.

I understand your point, but he did choose to go to Utah, and not many players do that. As far as power forwards go, I would like to see someone in the mold of Antonio Davis. Tough defender and rebounder with a solid mid range jumper and post up abilities. Don't quite know who fits that bill, but I think that is the type we need. The offense is pretty well stacked, we need someone to guard the paint.

switch
03-03-2009, 02:49 PM
I understand your point, but he did choose to go to Utah, and not many players do that......

He also went to Kentucky for college. Location doesn't appear to be as big of a deal to him as it is to others based off of where he has played before.

ReginaldWayne
03-03-2009, 03:03 PM
He also went to Kentucky for college. Location doesn't appear to be as big of a deal to him as it is to others based off of where he has played before.

Boozer? He went to Duke which is in Durham, North Carolina.

duke dynamite
03-03-2009, 03:04 PM
Boozer? He went to Duke which is in Durham, North Carolina.
That's what I was thinking...

OakMoses
03-03-2009, 03:25 PM
Boozer? He went to Duke which is in Durham, North Carolina.

He's also from Alaska. I don't know what that means exactly, but I'd guess he might be drawn to lower key cities.

2minutes twowa
03-03-2009, 03:29 PM
He's also from Alaska. I don't know what that means exactly, but I'd guess he might be drawn to lower key cities.

Indiana winters would be a walk in the park for him, then. But around here, it doesn't just get cold, it gets dreary. I'm getting depressed just thinking about it:)

duke dynamite
03-03-2009, 03:32 PM
Indiana winters would be a walk in the park for him, then. But around here, it doesn't just get cold, it gets dreary. I'm getting depressed just thinking about it:)
Cold? What is this cold you speak of? Is it a type of food?

BKK
03-03-2009, 03:41 PM
Maybe a Ross or a Mihm or a shelden williams...a robert swift or wilcox. I really don't see us getting anyone big but getting some smaller names that fit a need.

please oh please no Robert Swift... he must be the ugliest guy in the league... uglier than Kaman and Andersen that says enough, sheeesh :eek:;)

Mourning
03-03-2009, 04:01 PM
He's also from Alaska. I don't know what that means exactly, but I'd guess he might be drawn to lower key cities.

I'd guess Boozer is more drawn to cities that offer him the most dough...

Call me a cynic, but there is a little history behind Boozer and his move to Utah.

Anyway, we shouldn't IMO really go after important FA or MLE player. I rather just sign our first and second rounder and structurally lower the payroll, which makes it easier for the Pacers to stay in Indiana and in the long haul gives them more flexibility where we need to resign drafted players the year before and in the year itself when Dunleavy and Murphy expire.

I would only advocate signing a FA if it's a can't miss opportunity basically with lots of positives or a trade where we are so far on the winning side of it that it's something you just HAVE to do, otherwise... stay put, get rid of some financial weight and increase longterm flexibility.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Eindar
03-03-2009, 04:06 PM
I thought we were trying to stay away from low character individuals? Guy stabbed a blind guy in the back, for Pete's sake. :)

Speed
03-03-2009, 04:16 PM
It's an interesting dicussion, I mean we still have tons of time to talk about it. Some developments this year have really started to change how I see this team.

I think Roy can be better than I ever dreamed.

I think Troy has play out of his mind.

Jack, after a rocky start, really has shown some leadership/toughness/durability & some intangible things I can't put my finger on, like when he jumped in the fray when TJ got ticked against Denver.

The season Marquis has put together and I mostly mean defensively.

Dunleavy's long term prognosis.

I mean I could go on and on about the things that have developed this year that might make me change what I think about the direction of this team.

The reason I say all this is that I'm not sure what I think they need so it's really tough to think of a big name that can come in and be the difference maker. Also you likely only get one shot at it too. I think at this moment I like the Tyson Chandler trade, but I'd almost demand their number 1 and really rob them blind. The financial situation may even let that happen.

2minutes twowa
03-03-2009, 04:54 PM
I thought we were trying to stay away from low character individuals? Guy stabbed a blind guy in the back, for Pete's sake. :)


:cool: I'd like to announce that we've resigned Carlos Boozer.........Carlos?

CableKC
03-03-2009, 04:59 PM
I would really like to throw a lot of money into a shotblocking 4/5, like Chandler...getting him would be amazing.
He's not a FA......so the only way that we could get him is if TPTB throw money at the Hornets.

Maybe a Ross or a Mihm or a shelden williams...a robert swift or wilcox. I really don't see us getting anyone big but getting some smaller names that fit a need.
This was posted earlier, a list of FA for the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 seasons:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

IMHO, what minor moves that we make is IMHO dependant on who we draft.

If we draft a PG ( specifically Jennings ), then I would consider doing the following:

1 ) Resigning Marquis ( not Jack ) to some $3-4 mil per season / 2 ( preferably ) to 3 year Contract, Obviously TPTB will let his Team Option Expire and make an attempt at picking him up as an UFA.
2 ) Sign some FA Backup PF to some deal between $3-4+ mil per year contract. My preference would be to try to sign ( in this order ) Chris Anderson, Powe, Frye then Bass. Some are UFA and some are RFA, either way, I would want to try to make a run at any of them to shore up our Frontcourt depth.

If we draft a Big Man ( either Hill, Thabeet or Monroe ) or a GF ( like Henderson ), then I would consider doing the following:

1 ) Try to make a run at signing Sessions ( instead of Jack ).
2 ) If Sessions can't be had, then I would try to resign Jack to some $3-4 mil per season / 2 ( preferably ) to 3 year Contract.

Regardless of scenario, we would still have to fill out our "end of the bench" GFs and Big Men......so I would try to sign another GF like Quinton Ross ( if he can't be had, then resign Graham ) and then resign McRoberts.

If we really can't get a decent $3-4 mil a year FA to come to Indy....then I agree with Mourning.....draft, ACTUALLY sign whatever 2nd round player and pray that this 2nd rounder pans out. Worst case scenario.......bring Stanko over from Europe to fill our needs.

YankeesPacersFan
03-03-2009, 05:56 PM
Take it easy guys look at his date of birth into PD before you rip into him.

What is there to rip into? I stated a general question as to what free agents from a list of all free agents pacers fans would like to see come to town...I don't see a problem with that.

It's not like I said I expected the Pacers to sign LeBron....

Thesterovic
03-03-2009, 06:03 PM
No matter what we need to get a trade off this summer. On the call in show, whats his name kept on talking about big pieces such as Granger and Amare (Not going to happen I know) would pretty much guaruntee us a playoff spot. Maybe even Bosh or Marion would work. Chandler would even work fine. We just need that ONE guy.

If we get a bad pick than don't sign the rookie. Chances are it won't be worth it. But if he has potential sign him. If we only have scraps left don't sign.

Try as hard as possible to resign Jack. Trade Ford. We can get someone good for him and someone else. Diener and Jack could do it all and then maybe Jack could get out of the 2 spot. We must resign Jack though. The dude has made a great mold for our team.

I hope we can resign Marquis because I will miss the dude.

Get a big man coach for Pete's sake. Have him work with Hibbashaq and have him learn to shotblock and defend way better. If we have a Chandler in Hibbert, than make Hibbert work his butt of and make him a good defender.

Get a few FA's that can fill the holes for Rasho, Dunleavy, and probably Marquis. Sign good defenders that have experience and are actually likeable and won't make dumb mistakes.

Spirit
03-03-2009, 06:06 PM
I think we should go after Anderson Varejao.

CableKC
03-03-2009, 06:08 PM
What is there to rip into? I stated a general question as to what free agents from a list of all free agents pacers fans would like to see come to town...I don't see a problem with that.

It's not like I said I expected the Pacers to sign LeBron....
I don't think that Major Cold was trying to say anything mean or anything.....it's just that it's pretty well known here on PD that we don't have as much SalaryCap Space to sign anyone of significance. Every other week, we have new threads that pop up suggesting that we try to go after top-tier FAs. Players like Boozer and Milsap are often suggested as players that we should go after since it appears that we have $$$ to spend since a whole bunch of Expiring Contracts will likely be off the books....but the truth is that we really don't have that much $$$ to spend since we will be hindered by the lowered SalaryCap and Luxury Tax Thresholds. Take that into account....then couple that with the fact that Boozer wants to get paid more then the $12+ mil 2009-2010 Salary that he's slated to get....and you will quickly come to the conclusion that the Pacers won't be able to sign any major FA this offseason. The only way that any of us will ever see a major FA like Boozer in a Pacer uniform on TV is if you play NBA2k9 in Association Mode and force some team to trade him to the Pacers....otherwise, it's not going to happen.

CableKC
03-03-2009, 06:13 PM
I think we should go after Anderson Varejao.
Just like Ben Gordon....he's another example of a RFA that wanted to get paid Big Time $$$$ by their current Team and decided to simply take the Qualifying Offer from the Team that he was with in hopes of a huge payday as a UFA. The funny thing is that some team will sign him as a UFA.....the problem is that I doubt that they will get the huge payday that they are hoping for. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if Varajeo or Gordon get more then what they got from their original teams. :laugh:

I don't mind Varajeo....he's pretty much a poor man's younger more athletic version of Foster....but unless we do some S&T for him ( probably with Foster involved along with some other cheap players to make up the difference ), he's not going to come here for the full MLE ( the most that we can offer him ).

count55
03-03-2009, 06:16 PM
What is there to rip into? I stated a general question as to what free agents from a list of all free agents pacers fans would like to see come to town...I don't see a problem with that.

It's not like I said I expected the Pacers to sign LeBron....

We've discussed this ad nauseum around here. I don't think it would be much of an exaggeration to say that this question has come up a dozen separate times around here over the course of the season.

The Pacers were never going to be able to sign a free agent above the MLE, so no Boozer, but now, with the declining salary cap/tax, the Pacers won't really be able to sign any free agents of significance.

MyFavMartin
03-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Read this thread for a previous discussion that you give some of our insight:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=44783&highlight=iPACER+hoopshype

QuickRelease
03-03-2009, 09:23 PM
I was just looking at the draft, and I would be in favor of trading out of the first round this year if we didn't land the top pick. Maybe it's because I'm too fixated on PF prospects, and there frankly aren't that many of them. I'd rather take Hansborough with a lower pick, than pick a bust in the lottery. I think Hansborough will be solid at least.

D-BONE
03-03-2009, 09:51 PM
I would really like to throw a lot of money into a shotblocking 4/5, like Chandler...getting him would be amazing. If Stanko ever gets enough playing time in Tau, he could be a replacement for Murphy. We might just want to stick him in d-league soon, because of the jam of forwards he is behind.

Maybe a Ross or a Mihm or a shelden williams...a robert swift or wilcox. I really don't see us getting anyone big but getting some smaller names that fit a need.

Not too much in your smaller but fill need guys that I think would really fill much need. No interest in Mihm or Swift here. Just think they don't have what it takes. Williams I'd approach with trepidation but he is big and strong, but he's not shown even glimpses to this point that I'm aware of. Wilcox is okay, but I don't think he's really a physical 4. Can score some, but not really a blue collar, defending type.

Ross would be okay as a defensive specialist. Tyson Chandler would really fill a void in terms of rebounding and toughness. I would say, though, that while he's probably better than anyone we've got, I don't not consider him anywhere near an elite shot blocker for his size/position.

cramerica
03-03-2009, 11:48 PM
Why did Major Cold have to say anything?

I don't think there's anything wrong with starting this thread. If it's been talked about before, point him to the link of the thread and move on. Not everybody reads every thread and may have missed the discussion.

Posting what Major Cold posted was unnecessary.