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Trader Joe
03-01-2009, 08:27 PM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090301/SPORTS04/90301016

Jeff Rabjohns
indystar.com

One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.

kester99
03-01-2009, 08:39 PM
Surgery now should ensure he's ready for next year, no?

PacerGuy
03-01-2009, 08:41 PM
I'll take a bone spur over micro-fracture, etc any day. Kinda wierd though how noone seems to agree on how to address it. Wonder if it's on the underside of the knee cap or something odd like that.

Anthem
03-01-2009, 08:42 PM
Wow.

I wonder if we knew this when he passed the Pacers physical.

Anthem
03-01-2009, 08:42 PM
I'll take a bone spur over micro-fracture, etc any day. Kinda wierd though how noone seems to agree on how to address it. Wonder if it's on the underside of the knee cap or something odd like that.
It's a calcification of the patella-fibular tendon, if I understand correctly.

Trader Joe
03-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Surgery now should ensure he's ready for next year, no?

To me, I have to think that there is permanent damage from waiting to address it for this long.

Pointz
03-01-2009, 08:44 PM
If surgery will remedy the problem he should have had it the day the Pacers decided to have him sit out the rest of the year. I am slightly confused as to why it is taking so long to figure out what the proper step to take is.

YoSoyIndy
03-01-2009, 09:11 PM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090301/SPORTS04/90301016

Jeff Rabjohns
indystar.com

One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.

Don't forget during those ten years he played the high majority of his games, so I wouldn't imply he's been hiding something.

idioteque
03-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Well, at least his contract is up in two years (after this season is over). This is a bad situation, but at least it is not Gilbert Arenas-type bad.

Spirit
03-01-2009, 09:15 PM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20090301/SPORTS04/90301016

Jeff Rabjohns
indystar.com

One good season+knee that has been an issue for 10 years+Dun's contract=One of the most overpaid players in the NBA.

I hate to be that blunt about it, but that is pretty much how I feel about Dun right now. I know he didn't miss a ton of games his first six years, but this sounds like one of those things that wasn't properly dealt with and will now haunt him the rest of his career.
Calm down there fella. I don't think it's that bad. Sure he says it's been hurting for 10 years, but it's not his fault they didn't find and fix the problem. He is not overpaid when he is healthy because he is valuable in many ways. Great scorer, playmaker, good rebounder, and he takes a fair share of charges and is a great leader and teammate and is great off the floor as well.

Anthem
03-01-2009, 09:18 PM
If surgery will remedy the problem he should have had it the day the Pacers decided to have him sit out the rest of the year. I am slightly confused as to why it is taking so long to figure out what the proper step to take is.
Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.

jeffg-body
03-01-2009, 09:22 PM
If it is just a large bone spur I think he should just get the surgery over with and start to rehab with the idea of playing next season. I had a patellar bone spur removed a few years back and was back to almost normal in eight weeks or so. It usually can be done arthroscopically so it's not all that bad. The fact that he let it linger for 10 years is a bit crazy though.

Naptown_Seth
03-01-2009, 09:33 PM
Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.
Unfortunately.


Man, and I was the guy begging for a Dun for draft pick trade last summer. I wanted Dun to be what they used to get back into the draft around 17-21, mainly to get Rush. Of course ironically they did get back in and did get Rush, but without trading Dun and by drafting Rush higher.

Still can you imagine if Dun had been sent out for another pick in that deep draft. Chalmers, Arthur, Lee, Speights, Weaver...lot of guys that would have produced a lot more this year for a lot less than Dun did.

Meh, spilt milk I guess. It's just frustrating knowing that I was so passionate about it and seeing so much of this pan out like this. It just seems like if it was obvious to me it would have been obvious to them, even without the injury.

I mean they've played without him so we know how that would have gone, except that imagine it's just like this except you aren't paying his contract AND you have another talented young player. That's what we would have had if they had simply traded him even if he was totally healthy.


Meanwhile so many of us didn't believe he'd come back, so many posts said this would linger all year, etc, and then here it is. It's a freaking joke.

Kstat
03-01-2009, 09:35 PM
....who HASN'T known about his knee injury for the last 10 years? The guy wore a freaking knee brace.

Pointz
03-01-2009, 09:36 PM
Man, I called it at the beginning of the year. He'd spend the season trying to rest and rehab, then at the end of the season he'd discover he needed surgery (the surgery he could have gotten in September). He'd have surgery over the summer, spend the rest of the summer rebuilding the knee, then come into camp next year rusty and out of shape.

I feel like I've seen this before somewhere.

My thoughts exactly.

Trader Joe
03-01-2009, 09:54 PM
Calm down there fella. I don't think it's that bad. Sure he says it's been hurting for 10 years, but it's not his fault they didn't find and fix the problem. He is not overpaid when he is healthy because he is valuable in many ways. Great scorer, playmaker, good rebounder, and he takes a fair share of charges and is a great leader and teammate and is great off the floor as well.

Apparently, I can't criticize players anymore without being told I'm not calm?

Where in my original post did it seem I was attacking or agitated?

Dun has only had one good season. Everything else he has done has been average. His contract hurts him even more.

I was with Seth last summer, we should have moved Dun for a draft pick.

I'm not saying Dun was hiding something or anything like that, my point is simple, like Kstat said Dun has worn a knee brace for many years, he SHOULD have had this taken a seriously look at when he was younger. If it was bad enough to wear the brace, he should have taken the time to seek out as many opinions as possible. Now we are talking about what I'm sure is a fairly serious surgery considering how many opinions he is getting on it, and he is much older. That's not even taking into account the damage that has been caused over the years by waiting this long.

Look, I'm sure Dun's a good guy and he's a decent ball player, but he's not worth his contract based on his production over his career. This just hurts him even more in my eyes. I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around as to why it took this long to figure out what was wrong, and Dun has to shoulder some of it. I'm not calling him a liar or anything like that, just saying someone along the way dropped the ball on this.

Just cause Dun is a Pacer and a good guy doesn't mean I can't send a little criticism his way.

I see JO Part Deux written all over this.

kester99
03-01-2009, 10:01 PM
I see JO Part Deux written all over this.

Way too early for that, in my own universe of bad feelings, but given our team history of late, wouldn't be surprised if we keep seeing that comparison...until Mike comes back and proves it wrong (I hope).

Trader Joe
03-01-2009, 10:03 PM
Way too early for that, in my own universe of bad feelings, but given our team history of late, wouldn't be surprised if we keep seeing that comparison...until Mike comes back and proves it wrong (I hope).

The problem is, JO we had to dig through a lot of media and Pacer fluff. Dun's injury has always been pretty out in the open, it has always sounded bad and it's not really sounding any better. IMO, we're seeing what the JO situation would have looked like had we had a more open press discussion about it.

kester99
03-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Anybody have recovery time estimates for whatever this surgery is?...Dunleavy called it a bone spur on the patellar tendon. I don't understand how you have a bone spur on a tendon, but I'm sure there are medically hip folks on the site that can work their way through the vernacular.

I saw Anthem's description, but I don't know where he got that.

hoopsforlife
03-01-2009, 10:17 PM
If anybody can talk to him, tell him to take Natures Sunshine's Herbal CA. 8 per day for about 8 weeks. It will disolve his calcification. No surgery needed.

MyFavMartin
03-01-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm not sure anyone would be trading for Dun given his medical history, lack of defense and athleticism, and his huge contract, especially one that would take up valuable cap space in the summer of 2010.

Hoop
03-01-2009, 10:59 PM
The Pacers are not telling the entire story, as usual. From what I've heard bones spurs are not the major problem, Dun has bone on bone, just like Bender and JO. Without microfracture surgery it's unlikely he'll be back healthy.... ever. I hope my info is wrong, but I don't think It is.

If it was as simple as a bone spur they could have went in with a scope ground off the bone spur and he would not have missed a significant amount of time.

MyFavMartin
03-01-2009, 11:01 PM
If anybody can talk to him, tell him to take Natures Sunshine's Herbal CA. 8 per day for about 8 weeks. It will disolve his calcification. No surgery needed.

Those statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. ;)

flox
03-01-2009, 11:24 PM
Bone spurs are really weird, it took the Spurs 8 months to find one on Ian Mahimi's ankle..they are always strange strange things.


But it doesn't sound serious. It's something that usually isn't treatable without surgery and the most important thing is to reduce it and make sure the damage around the spur is fixed.

Dun should be fine as long as he managed it as well as he did the first 6 seasons of his career.

Shade
03-02-2009, 02:19 AM
Ugh. Sounds like Bender all over again.

I like Dun. He seems to be a good person and is a good player. But it's starting to become more and more obvious that the Pacers would be better off with Quis than Dun.

Justin Tyme
03-02-2009, 06:21 AM
Ugh. Sounds like Bender all over again.

I like Dun. He seems to be a good person and is a good player. But it's starting to become more and more obvious that the Pacers would be better off with Quis than Dun.


Neither are exactly the proto types of healthy players. Daniels has had his health problems and finally after 3 seasons he is having a good season. BUT at the same time I'm not comfortable with his health issues either. Not enough to feel the Pacers should pick up his team option. Why be lulled to sleep by a Daniels having a good season... finally?

Sure Daniels contract, salary, and "D" is better than Dun, but is his health really going to be better in the future to risk the chance? I can't see taking the chance at 7 mil. I guarantee you no other team is going to pay him that type money in this economic time with his past health issues. At the present time, only 7 teams have the money to sign him at his present contract salary, and why would they? He'll be lucky to get the MLE from another team if he becomes a FA. Let me re-phraze that, when he becomes a FA.

skyfire
03-02-2009, 07:48 AM
I cant believe people are comparing him to Bender and JO after 1 injured season. Last season he was actually a bargian for his contract size. You could say that we should have traded him when his value was high, but based on Danny's comments throughout this season, you can see how much he values Dunleavy as a teammate.

duke dynamite
03-02-2009, 08:57 AM
....who HASN'T known about his knee injury for the last 10 years? The guy wore a freaking knee brace.
Actually, I didn't. I always knew he wore a brace, but never knew why.

Anthem
03-02-2009, 09:43 AM
Dun's injury has always been pretty out in the open
Not even close, dude. Dun was good to go coming into the preseason, and then they were going to hold him out for a couple of games in order to rest his knee. Then he was going to miss the opener, then the first week. Dude was day-to-day until January!

It's EXACTLY the same formula. EXACTLY. He should have shut it down and had surgery at the beginning of the year. If he had, we'd have him back by now. But instead, we keep him semi-active and hope it gets better, which it never does, until he misses the year.

Anthem
03-02-2009, 09:44 AM
Anybody have recovery time estimates for whatever this surgery is?...Dunleavy called it a bone spur on the patellar tendon. I don't understand how you have a bone spur on a tendon, but I'm sure there are medically hip folks on the site that can work their way through the vernacular.

I saw Anthem's description, but I don't know where he got that.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?p=812647

Anthem
03-02-2009, 09:46 AM
....who HASN'T known about his knee injury for the last 10 years? The guy wore a freaking knee brace.

Not buying it Kstat. The dude wore a knee brace, sure, but if you tell me you knew his condition was serious enough to cause him to miss a year I'll laugh.

naptownmenace
03-02-2009, 10:57 AM
It's a calcification of the patella-fibular tendon, if I understand correctly.

If that's the case, that's bad news because Drs. don't usually recommend surgery of the patella tendon. Once they cut that tendon your playing days are virtually over. I had an injury/thinning of my patella and that's what the specialist told me.

Usually rest and therapy is what they recommend. The Dr. I spoke to mentioned stem cell injections as a possible alternative to try and help regenerate the tendon but that too would require 6 weeks of rest and then rehab and therapy.

Anthem
03-02-2009, 11:06 AM
If that's the case, that's bad news because Drs. don't usually recommend surgery of the patella tendon. Once they cut that tendon your playing days are virtually over. I had an injury/thinning of my patella and that's what the specialist told me.

Usually rest and therapy is what they recommend. The Dr. I spoke to mentioned stem cell injections as a possible alternative to try and help regenerate the tendon but that too would require 6 weeks of rest and then rehab and therapy.
Holy cow. That puts the "could this injury be career-threatening" thread in a whole new light.

danman
03-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Great to have all these MD's on this board with specialization on knee injuries. Lol. (Joke, don't get bent)

If you just step back, it's obviously quite serious. The Pacers knew they weren't competing this year. If surgery was a good answer, it would've been done by now. Dun got lots of rest, finally got back on the court, and left a few games later with no obvious twist or jarring impact. Lots of med consultations later, and they're still not committed to surgery.

One can hope for a miracle, but given the facts, I doubt the Pacers are counting on contributions from Dun in the foreseeable future.

Shrug. Shame it had to happen after the best year of his career.

But realistically, this isn't a tragic franchise killer like the Clark Kellogg injury. I was never sold on the pairing of Dun and Danny in the long term.

Maybe Dun could make it back as a bench player with limited minutes next year. Hope so, I like the guy.

Trader Joe
03-02-2009, 12:42 PM
Not even close, dude. Dun was good to go coming into the preseason, and then they were going to hold him out for a couple of games in order to rest his knee. Then he was going to miss the opener, then the first week. Dude was day-to-day until January!

It's EXACTLY the same formula. EXACTLY. He should have shut it down and had surgery at the beginning of the year. If he had, we'd have him back by now. But instead, we keep him semi-active and hope it gets better, which it never does, until he misses the year.

That is true, but I've always felt that there has been an openness over how serious the injury could be. Maybe I just have that feeling cause I have always had a bad feeling about it.

danman
03-02-2009, 12:53 PM
Where is this coming from that Dun will be good as new 4 months after surgery? Somebody has a wish to cash in for this?

If that was true, why wasn't he cut on a few days after he left?

Hope it's true, but I'm not buying. I'd wager a mint the his possible surgery outcomes are not a slam dunk.

Slick Pinkham
03-02-2009, 03:48 PM
Not a doctor, didn't stay at holiday inn express, but I have had some experience with knee issues...

The injury he has had for 10 years is patellar tendonitis, which is pretty common for basketball players in general. In chronic cases some calcification (i.e. bone spurs) may be present.

http://www.soscentres.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=200&Itemid=203


Rest, immobilization, antiinflammatories are the normal ways to go. The calcification is not usually surgically removed, since doing so might remove healthy tendon and weaken it, eventually causing a rupture. That' what happened to Antonio McDyess years ago, a ruptured patella tendon. Not a great injury...Docs can repair ruptured patalla tendons to let you lead a normal life, but maybe not the life of an NBA athlete at 100% effectiveness, though McDyess is perhaps a best case scenario.

Since rest isn't working, it really doesn't look too good unless they are very lucky in being able to remove calcified tendon without weaking the tendon much as a whole. That can be done arthroscopically, so the actual recovery from surgery isn't the issue so much as the condition of the tendon after you are done.

Los Angeles
03-02-2009, 04:46 PM
Until this season Dunleavy was one of the most consistent games-played players in the NBA.

02/03 - 82
03/04 - 75
04/05 - 79
05/06 - 81
06/07 - 82
07/08 - 82
08/09 - 18 (so far)

In his first six years he missed 11 games total. That's a rounded average of 80 games a year for 6 years, including his rookie year.

I find it irresponsible to suggest that this season was foreseeable by anyone.

duke dynamite
03-02-2009, 04:47 PM
Until this season Dunleavy was one of the most consistent games-played players in the NBA.

02/03 - 82
03/04 - 75
04/05 - 79
05/06 - 81
06/07 - 82
07/08 - 82
08/09 - 18 (so far)

I find it irresponsible to suggest that this season was foreseeable by anyone.
Thank you!

hoopsforlife
03-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Those statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. ;)

Thats true, however, the FDA has no interest in helping people heal cheaply.

I have had some experience with natural healing and I know it works. In particular a woman hairdresser in Georgia who could hardly stand on her feet. She had to keep working to pay her bills so she was in terrible pain all day. She got relief from her spurs in 2 weeks. They were totally gone in about 6. I have seen it happen several times to several different people.

If someone could let Dun know about it, he could make up his own mind. :shrug:

ChicagoJ
03-02-2009, 05:34 PM
Until this season Dunleavy was one of the most consistent games-played players in the NBA.

02/03 - 82
03/04 - 75
04/05 - 79
05/06 - 81
06/07 - 82
07/08 - 82
08/09 - 18 (so far)

In his first six years he missed 11 games total. That's a rounded average of 80 games a year for 6 years, including his rookie year.

I find it irresponsible to suggest that this season was foreseeable by anyone.

Except that there is a tendency that the longer you go without a major injury, the more likely that you're going to have problems with a chronic injury like tendonitis.

Probem is, the chronic injuries are harder to recover from. Not necessarily "career ending", just "never regained explosiveness" or "can't play as many minutes until he needs to come out and ice the knee."

Trader Joe
03-02-2009, 05:55 PM
Until this season Dunleavy was one of the most consistent games-played players in the NBA.

02/03 - 82
03/04 - 75
04/05 - 79
05/06 - 81
06/07 - 82
07/08 - 82
08/09 - 18 (so far)

In his first six years he missed 11 games total. That's a rounded average of 80 games a year for 6 years, including his rookie year.

I find it irresponsible to suggest that this season was foreseeable by anyone.

JO's first four years in Indy were 81, 72, 77, and 78. Maybe not forseeable, though Dun himself admits he knew of the issue, but definitely worrisome.

Sollozzo
03-02-2009, 06:18 PM
Except that there is a tendency that the longer you go without a major injury, the more likely that you're going to have problems with a chronic injury like tendonitis.




I think it depends on the person. Guys like Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG have played year in and year out for 10+ years without developing chronic injuries. The only season Reggie played less than 70 games in was his final season. You can find plenty of players who play 75+ games each year and never develop any sort of chronic injury.

d_c
03-02-2009, 06:31 PM
Until this season Dunleavy was one of the most consistent games-played players in the NBA.

02/03 - 82
03/04 - 75
04/05 - 79
05/06 - 81
06/07 - 82
07/08 - 82
08/09 - 18 (so far)

In his first six years he missed 11 games total. That's a rounded average of 80 games a year for 6 years, including his rookie year.

I find it irresponsible to suggest that this season was foreseeable by anyone.


This is true, however consider that his rookie year, he only averaged 15.9 mins per game. Also consider that before last season, Dunleavy had never averaged more than 32 mins a game. Before last year, he was never a heavy minute player and certainly was never asked to shoulder as big a load as he's handled the past couple years.

I've mentioned before that his knee was a known issue even in his rookie year with the Warriors. They had thoughts about "shutting it down" 20 games into his rookie year because of his knee, but they never did because he didn't play heavy minutes.

Los Angeles
03-02-2009, 06:33 PM
I think it depends on the person. Guys like Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, KG play year in and year out for 10+ years without developing chronic injuries. The only season Reggie played less than 70 games in was his final season. You can find plenty of players who play 75+ games each year and never develop any sort of chronic injury.

And that was because of a broken hand, IIRC.

Reggie's history is truly remarkable. We can't judge all athletes against the Cal Ripkens of the world. Some careers are longer than others. Some come back from injury, others are never the same. Some learn to use their wits when their bodies become limited.

Remove money from the equasion, and we don't have much to discuss. but as soon as we talk about contracts, then in comes the fury and anger and mock disgust.

Dunleavy's our guy, and he's put it all out there and been a model Pacer since his arrival. In the end, all I have to say is that I hope he gets better soon.

Sollozzo
03-02-2009, 06:51 PM
And that was because of a broken hand, IIRC.

Reggie's history is truly remarkable. We can't judge all athletes against the Cal Ripkens of the world. Some careers are longer than others. Some come back from injury, others are never the same. Some learn to use their wits when their bodies become limited.

Remove money from the equasion, and we don't have much to discuss. but as soon as we talk about contracts, then in comes the fury and anger and mock disgust.

Dunleavy's our guy, and he's put it all out there and been a model Pacer since his arrival. In the end, all I have to say is that I hope he gets better soon.

I agree, you can't compare a guy to Reggie but like you said, when a guy averages 80 games over 6 years then it's logical to assume that he can hold for several years.

Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing Dunleavy traded last season because teams who's 2 best players are wing players usually don't go too far. Plus, his value was probably as high as it will ever get (until his final year).

But like you say, he seems like a model guy and is certainly a fresh change from what we had several years ago. And I'm sure he's just a tad more upset about being hurt than we fans are.

Sollozzo
03-02-2009, 06:54 PM
JO's first four years in Indy were 81, 72, 77, and 78. Maybe not forseeable, though Dun himself admits he knew of the issue, but definitely worrisome.


And that's why the Pacers were 100% correct to sign JO to a 7 year 126 million dollar contract. If they hadn't, then San Antonio would've gladly given him a monster deal (though not as much since he wasn't their player).

Say what you want about JO (I personally don't care for him anymore), but that contract was one of the biggest no-brainers in our franchises history. When a guy is 24 and gives you 3 seasons like JO did when he first got here you max him out, no questions asked.

ChicagoJ
03-02-2009, 06:59 PM
I think it depends on the person.

Of course it does. I said it increases the risk. If a particular athlete is low risk for tendonitis (good balance and flexibility are certainly important), then increasing the 1% risk of injury to 1.5% is no big deal.

The line between "nagging pain" that you can live with and not have hurt your performance "too bad" and "shutting it down" is quite blurry.

Remember the cure for overuse injuries is the dreaded R-word. Rest. For somebody like Dunleavy, who has been fighting off tendonitis for a long time, every season he played increased the chance that he would need to take a long time off to recover.

When orthopedics talk about "rest" for an overuse injury, they are generally prescribe 4-6 at first weeks although I never knew anyone in my college track career that was back in that short of a period of time. So you either stubbornly fight through it (resulting in surgery and missing a big portion of the season) or you take a long time to rest (resulting in missing a big portion of the season.)

Is the objective to be pain free, or just to be able to tolerate the pain without being slowed down too much? Clearly Dunleavy has moved far enough along that the latter is difficult to achieve.

But sure, there are plenty of players that just aren't disposed to overuse injuries. Not sure that they are relevant to discussing the subset of players that are disposed to overuse injuries, but okay.

Speaking from experience, I delayed my first knee surgery from tendonitis (not patelar, it was lateral but I don't recall the exact medical term) for four seasons. And then - even though the surgery was arthroscopic, I had to redshirt as a junior. After having the surgery once, I wasn't bashful at all about the second surgery.

That's the other unspoken item - he's probably got tendonitis in both knees, but he's focused on the one that hurts more. I realized I had tenonitis in my left knee exactly one day after surgery on my right knee and immediately said to my doctor, "Can we please do this one too, and soon?"

Anthem
03-02-2009, 07:35 PM
That is true, but I've always felt that there has been an openness over how serious the injury could be.
Yeah, I remember that article from October talking about how Dunleavy might be out for the rest of the season. Now if I could just find a link...

[/sarcasm]

Will Galen
03-02-2009, 07:42 PM
If anybody can talk to him, tell him to take Natures Sunshine's Herbal CA. 8 per day for about 8 weeks. It will disolve his calcification. No surgery needed.

According to Doc Hoop.

jhondog28
03-02-2009, 07:53 PM
Here is my gut feeling. I bet you money this is all a result of his crazy growth spurt. I am not doctor but I can only imagine going from 6'3" to 6'9" in like a year. I believe it was bewtween his freshman and sophmore years at Duke when all of this went down. There is bound to be issues with that. I remember when he was with GS he always said his knees were a problem and he started wearing knee braces.

d_c
03-02-2009, 10:31 PM
Here is my gut feeling. I bet you money this is all a result of his crazy growth spurt. I am not doctor but I can only imagine going from 6'3" to 6'9" in like a year. I believe it was bewtween his freshman and sophmore years at Duke when all of this went down. There is bound to be issues with that. I remember when he was with GS he always said his knees were a problem and he started wearing knee braces.

Dunleavy was about 6'5" heading in as a freshman to Duke. Less than 3 years later, he measured out at 6'8" w/o shoes at the draft combine, so yes, he did have a growth spurt that probably messed with his knees.

Anthem
03-02-2009, 11:48 PM
Dunleavy was about 6'5" heading in as a freshman to Duke. Less than 3 years later, he measured out at 6'8" w/o shoes at the draft combine, so yes, he did have a growth spurt that probably messed with his knees.
Exactly what happened to Bender, actually.

Trader Joe
03-03-2009, 12:57 AM
Exactly what happened to Bender, actually.

Bender's was much more dramatic IIRC. Like 8+ inches.

jhondog28
03-03-2009, 08:59 AM
In other words beware of the guys who are not done growing yet. Not to mention with Dunleavy I think he also added pretty close to 50 pounds if not more during that time. So he grew 3 inches and then added mass which must have put a ton of stress on his knees. Especially since he played in a lot of games in college.

hoopsforlife
03-03-2009, 07:40 PM
According to Doc Hoop.

They taught us a long time ago to accept, "some will, some won't, so what, next". It helped me understand that herbs are not embraced by everyone. Made it much easier for me to help the ones who wanted it and let the others go.

:)

vnzla81
03-03-2009, 08:44 PM
the IndyStar is saying that his injury is really serious, I am starting to think that he is going to do the same thing TMac did, maybe microfracture surgery. can somebody ad the IndyStar article? (I am at my girlfriend computer I'm don't know how to do this, Is a Mac:))

Bball
03-03-2009, 09:18 PM
They taught us a long time ago to accept, "some will, some won't, so what, next". It helped me understand that herbs are not embraced by everyone. Made it much easier for me to help the ones who wanted it and let the others go.

:)

I'll bite... Where does one find this stuff?

Bball - Knee pain sufferer

d_c
03-03-2009, 10:39 PM
the IndyStar is saying that his injury is really serious, I am starting to think that he is going to do the same thing TMac did, maybe microfracture surgery. can somebody ad the IndyStar article? (I am at my girlfriend computer I'm don't know how to do this, Is a Mac:))

Dunleavy's injury and microfracture surgery aren't related. From the sounds of it, he's got a problem with his patellar tendon relating to a bone spur in that area.

Microfracture surgery is for athletes who have bad cartilage in their knee. It doesn't relate to Dunleavy's sistuation.

hoopsforlife
03-04-2009, 09:41 PM
I'll bite... Where does one find this stuff?

Bball - Knee pain sufferer

www.naturessunshine.com

Ask them for a local dealer. They are all over the nation.