I have stayed positive all year. These Pacers have a poor record, but are more fun to watch & are much better at staying out of strip club gun fights.
I go check out a pair of knockers from time 2 time, but I try to refrain from busting off a few rounds (of ammo) on the way home.
...wait... that still doesn't clarify the above statement, hahaha.
Two things to say here:
#1
Dracula "wings of grey" ticked me off when he had meetings w/ season ticket holders.
Why? Well he said the most loyal fans told him they wanted a team they can be proud of more than anything.
He said to each season ticket holder every time quote
"No you don't. You want a winning team."
I thought it was pretty damn rude & demeaning when he said that.
I'm not a season ticket holder, but that was how I felt.
It felt like a jab at me.
After spending some $$ on the Pacers this year I know he was way out of line w/ those comments.
I swore to not spend a penny on last years Pacer team.
Now that it is cleaned up I'm back on board.
I'm not calling for Obie's head here, just hope he knows that we the fans were right & he was out of line to question our integrity.
#2
Injuries, injuries, injuries.
This is just sad.
I thought when we played at Pepsi during the preseason the brass said Dun could go if it were a regular season game.
He is missing the whole damn year like it is a Tom Brady injury.
I'm mad because either he & many other guys on our team either don't play w/ pain or the team is full of BS when they reveal our player's statuses.
I wanted to keep the team together, but Dun is easily tradable.
He isn't Granger, but plays in his spot. We have Rush to back up Danny for much less money.
I'm not just attacking Dun, it seems every player gets listed for a nagging injury & then it just keeps on going like the pink bunny.
Tins isn't in uniform, because (at least partly) we were fed up w/ his constant injuries.
J.O. was never in any trouble, but he fell out of favor for the injury reasons.
Now I will post stats from the Miller/Smits teams.
Notice games played out of 82 for these guys...
No wonder they were good.
97-98
98-99 Lockout
99-00
00-01
01-02 (Trade w/ Bulls most every game was played by all.)
After this Tinsley missed a bunch of games & like a virus it spread.
It became worse each year.
I remember giving a thumbs up to SJax because he played 81 games 2 years ago.
Damn that used to be a given.
Is it our players? Are they not as tough?
Do players that play every game exist on other teams?
It can't be bad luck year after year.
I go check out a pair of knockers from time 2 time, but I try to refrain from busting off a few rounds (of ammo) on the way home.
...wait... that still doesn't clarify the above statement, hahaha.
Two things to say here:
#1
Dracula "wings of grey" ticked me off when he had meetings w/ season ticket holders.
Why? Well he said the most loyal fans told him they wanted a team they can be proud of more than anything.
He said to each season ticket holder every time quote
"No you don't. You want a winning team."
I thought it was pretty damn rude & demeaning when he said that.
I'm not a season ticket holder, but that was how I felt.
It felt like a jab at me.
After spending some $$ on the Pacers this year I know he was way out of line w/ those comments.
I swore to not spend a penny on last years Pacer team.
Now that it is cleaned up I'm back on board.
I'm not calling for Obie's head here, just hope he knows that we the fans were right & he was out of line to question our integrity.
#2
Injuries, injuries, injuries.
This is just sad.
I thought when we played at Pepsi during the preseason the brass said Dun could go if it were a regular season game.
He is missing the whole damn year like it is a Tom Brady injury.
I'm mad because either he & many other guys on our team either don't play w/ pain or the team is full of BS when they reveal our player's statuses.
I wanted to keep the team together, but Dun is easily tradable.
He isn't Granger, but plays in his spot. We have Rush to back up Danny for much less money.
I'm not just attacking Dun, it seems every player gets listed for a nagging injury & then it just keeps on going like the pink bunny.
Tins isn't in uniform, because (at least partly) we were fed up w/ his constant injuries.
J.O. was never in any trouble, but he fell out of favor for the injury reasons.
Now I will post stats from the Miller/Smits teams.
Notice games played out of 82 for these guys...
No wonder they were good.
97-98
Player | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | TOT | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
Reggie Miller | 81 | 81 | 34.5 | .477 | .429 | .868 | .60 | 2.30 | 2.90 | 2.1 | .96 | .14 | 1.58 | 1.80 | 19.5 |
Rik Smits | 73 | 69 | 28.6 | .495 | .000 | .783 | 1.70 | 5.20 | 6.90 | 1.4 | .55 | 1.21 | 1.84 | 3.30 | 16.7 |
Chris Mullin | 82 | 82 | 26.5 | .481 | .440 | .939 | .50 | 2.60 | 3.00 | 2.3 | 1.16 | .48 | 1.43 | 2.30 | 11.3 |
Antonio Davis | 82 | 12 | 26.7 | .481 | .000 | .696 | 2.30 | 4.50 | 6.80 | .7 | .55 | .88 | 1.26 | 2.90 | 9.6 |
Jalen Rose | 82 | 0 | 20.8 | .478 | .342 | .728 | .30 | 2.00 | 2.40 | 1.9 | .68 | .17 | 1.61 | 2.10 | 9.4 |
Mark Jackson | 82 | 82 | 29.4 | .416 | .314 | .761 | .80 | 3.10 | 3.90 | 8.7 | 1.02 | .02 | 2.12 | 1.60 | 8.3 |
Dale Davis | 78 | 78 | 27.9 | .548 | .000 | .465 | 3.00 | 4.80 | 7.80 | .9 | .65 | 1.12 | .94 | 2.70 | 8.0 |
Travis Best | 82 | 0 | 18.9 | .419 | .300 | .855 | .30 | 1.10 | 1.50 | 3.4 | 1.04 | .06 | 1.35 | 2.40 | 6.5 |
Derrick McKey | 57 | 4 | 23.1 | .459 | .235 | .714 | 1.30 | 2.40 | 3.70 | 1.5 | 1.00 | .53 | 1.39 | 2.70 | 6.3 |
Fred Hoiberg | 65 | 1 | 13.4 | .383 | .376 | .855 | .20 | 1.70 | 1.90 | .7 | .62 | .05 | .34 | 1.60 | 4.0 |
Austin Croshere | 26 | 0 | 9.3 | .372 | .308 | .571 | .40 | 1.30 | 1.70 | .3 | .35 | .19 | .50 | 1.20 | 2.9 |
Mark West | 15 | 1 | 7.0 | .476 | .000 | .500 | .40 | .60 | 1.00 | .1 | .13 | .27 | .53 | 1.00 | 1.5 |
Mark Pope | 28 | 0 | 6.9 | .341 | .333 | .588 | .30 | .60 | .90 | .3 | .11 | .21 | .36 | 1.30 | 1.4 |
Etdrick Bohannon | 5 | 0 | 2.2 |
98-99 Lockout
Player | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | TOT | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
Reggie Miller | 50 | 50 | 35.7 | .438 | .385 | .915 | .50 | 2.20 | 2.70 | 2.2 | .74 | .18 | 1.52 | 2.00 | 18.4 |
Rik Smits | 49 | 49 | 25.9 | .490 | .000 | .818 | 1.50 | 4.10 | 5.60 | 1.1 | .37 | 1.06 | 1.53 | 3.20 | 14.9 |
Jalen Rose | 49 | 1 | 25.3 | .403 | .262 | .791 | .70 | 2.40 | 3.10 | 1.9 | 1.02 | .31 | 1.47 | 2.60 | 11.1 |
Chris Mullin | 50 | 50 | 23.6 | .477 | .465 | .870 | .50 | 2.70 | 3.20 | 1.6 | .94 | .26 | 1.20 | 2.00 | 10.1 |
Antonio Davis | 49 | 1 | 25.9 | .471 | .000 | .703 | 2.40 | 4.70 | 7.00 | .7 | .45 | .86 | 1.02 | 2.80 | 9.4 |
Dale Davis | 50 | 50 | 27.5 | .533 | .000 | .618 | 3.10 | 5.20 | 8.30 | .4 | .40 | 1.14 | .86 | 2.30 | 8.0 |
Mark Jackson | 49 | 49 | 28.2 | .419 | .311 | .823 | .70 | 3.10 | 3.80 | 7.9 | .86 | .06 | 2.02 | 1.20 | 7.6 |
Travis Best | 49 | 0 | 21.3 | .416 | .373 | .843 | .40 | 1.20 | 1.60 | 3.4 | .86 | .08 | 1.27 | 2.30 | 7.1 |
Sam Perkins | 48 | 0 | 16.4 | .400 | .389 | .717 | .80 | 2.10 | 2.90 | .5 | .31 | .29 | .46 | 1.50 | 5.0 |
Derrick McKey | 13 | 0 | 18.8 | .442 | .000 | .824 | 1.40 | 1.80 | 3.20 | 1.0 | .92 | .31 | .92 | 1.80 | 4.6 |
Austin Croshere | 27 | 0 | 9.2 | .427 | .276 | .870 | .60 | 1.10 | 1.70 | .4 | .26 | .30 | .85 | 1.20 | 3.4 |
Al Harrington | 21 | 0 | 7.6 | .321 | .000 | .600 | 1.00 | .90 | 1.90 | .2 | .19 | .10 | .52 | 1.20 | 2.1 |
Fred Hoiberg | 12 | 0 | 7.3 | .286 | .111 | 1.000 | .20 | .80 | .90 | .3 | .00 | .00 | .25 | .90 | 1.6 |
Mark Pope |
99-00
Player | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | TOT | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
Jalen Rose | 80 | 80 | 37.2 | .471 | .393 | .827 | .50 | 4.30 | 4.80 | 4.0 | 1.05 | .61 | 2.35 | 2.90 | 18.2 |
Reggie Miller | 81 | 81 | 36.9 | .448 | .408 | .919 | .60 | 2.30 | 3.00 | 2.3 | 1.05 | .31 | 1.59 | 1.60 | 18.1 |
Rik Smits | 79 | 79 | 23.4 | .484 | .000 | .739 | 1.20 | 3.90 | 5.10 | 1.1 | .25 | 1.27 | 1.37 | 3.20 | 12.9 |
Austin Croshere | 81 | 14 | 23.3 | .441 | .362 | .848 | 1.70 | 4.70 | 6.40 | 1.1 | .54 | .74 | 1.49 | 2.50 | 10.3 |
Dale Davis | 74 | 72 | 28.7 | .502 | .000 | .685 | 3.50 | 6.40 | 9.90 | .9 | .70 | 1.27 | 1.23 | 2.70 | 10.0 |
Travis Best | 82 | 0 | 20.6 | .483 | .376 | .821 | .20 | 1.50 | 1.70 | 3.3 | .93 | .06 | 1.30 | 2.50 | 8.9 |
Mark Jackson | 81 | 81 | 27.0 | .432 | .403 | .806 | .80 | 2.90 | 3.70 | 8.0 | .94 | .12 | 2.15 | 1.40 | 8.1 |
Sam Perkins | 81 | 0 | 20.0 | .417 | .408 | .825 | .80 | 2.80 | 3.60 | .8 | .38 | .41 | .78 | 1.70 | 6.6 |
Al Harrington | 50 | 0 | 17.1 | .458 | .235 | .703 | .90 | 2.20 | 3.20 | .8 | .50 | .18 | 1.30 | 2.60 | 6.6 |
Chris Mullin | 47 | 2 | 12.4 | .428 | .409 | .902 | .30 | 1.30 | 1.60 | .8 | .60 | .19 | .60 | 1.30 | 5.1 |
Derrick McKey | 32 | 0 | 19.8 | .398 | .435 | .768 | .90 | 3.30 | 4.20 | 1.1 | .91 | .41 | .59 | 2.50 | 4.3 |
Jonathan Bender | 24 | 1 | 5.4 | .329 | .167 | .667 | .20 | .70 | .90 | .1 | .04 | .21 | .29 | .80 | 2.7 |
Jeff Foster | 19 | 0 | 4.5 | .565 | .000 | .680 | .60 | 1.10 | 1.70 | .3 | .26 | .05 | .11 | .90 | 2.3 |
Zan Tabak | 18 | 0 | 6.3 | .471 | .000 | .625 | .90 | .90 | 1.80 | .2 | .17 | .50 | .61 | .70 | 2.1 |
00-01
Player | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | TOT | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
Jalen Rose | 72 | 72 | 40.9 | .457 | .339 | .828 | .50 | 4.50 | 5.00 | 6.0 | .90 | .60 | 2.93 | 3.20 | 20.5 |
Reggie Miller | 81 | 81 | 39.3 | .440 | .366 | .928 | .50 | 3.00 | 3.50 | 3.2 | 1.00 | .19 | 1.64 | 2.00 | 18.9 |
Jermaine O'Neal | 81 | 80 | 32.6 | .465 | .000 | .601 | 3.10 | 6.70 | 9.80 | 1.2 | .60 | 2.81 | 1.99 | 3.50 | 12.9 |
Travis Best | 77 | 21 | 31.9 | .440 | .381 | .827 | .50 | 2.40 | 2.90 | 6.1 | 1.43 | .14 | 1.65 | 3.20 | 11.9 |
Austin Croshere | 81 | 23 | 23.1 | .394 | .338 | .866 | 1.50 | 3.30 | 4.80 | 1.1 | .44 | .62 | 1.68 | 2.20 | 10.1 |
Al Harrington | 78 | 38 | 24.3 | .444 | .143 | .656 | 1.50 | 3.40 | 4.90 | 1.7 | .81 | .23 | 1.90 | 2.90 | 7.5 |
Tyus Edney | 24 | 0 | 11.0 | .385 | .167 | .897 | .20 | .80 | 1.00 | 2.3 | .71 | .00 | 1.04 | .70 | 4.4 |
Zan Tabak | 55 | 14 | 14.1 | .527 | .000 | .426 | 1.20 | 2.70 | 3.90 | .6 | .18 | .55 | 1.04 | 2.30 | 3.9 |
Bruno Sundov | 11 | 4 | 10.9 | .488 | .000 | .600 | .40 | 1.70 | 2.10 | .2 | .18 | .36 | .27 | 1.90 | 3.9 |
Sam Perkins | 64 | 41 | 15.6 | .381 | .345 | .842 | .50 | 2.10 | 2.60 | .6 | .52 | .28 | .30 | 1.00 | 3.8 |
Jeff Foster | 71 | 9 | 16.2 | .469 | .286 | .516 | 2.00 | 3.50 | 5.50 | .5 | .55 | .39 | .73 | 2.10 | 3.5 |
Jonathan Bender | 59 | 7 | 9.7 | .355 | .268 | .735 | .20 | 1.00 | 1.30 | .5 | .12 | .47 | .71 | 1.20 | 3.3 |
Derrick McKey | 66 | 20 | 15.0 | .441 | .200 | .778 | .70 | 1.90 | 2.70 | 1.1 | .73 | .20 | .71 | 2.10 | 2.2 |
Terry Mills | 14 | 0 | 8.1 | .324 | .176 | .000 | .30 | 1.20 | 1.50 | .4 | .21 | .07 | .71 | 1.40 | 1.8 |
Lari Ketner | 3 | 0 | 2.3 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .00 | .00 | .00 | .3 | .00 | .00 | .67 | .00 | .0 |
01-02 (Trade w/ Bulls most every game was played by all.)
Jermaine O'Neal | 72 | 72 | 37.6 | .479 | .071 | .688 | 2.60 | 7.90 | 10.50 | 1.6 | .63 | 2.31 | 2.42 | 3.70 | 19.0 |
Reggie Miller | 79 | 79 | 36.6 | .453 | .406 | .911 | .30 | 2.50 | 2.80 | 3.2 | 1.11 | .13 | 1.52 | 1.80 | 16.5 |
Brad Miller | 28 | 28 | 31.1 | .562 | .333 | .823 | 2.70 | 5.10 | 7.90 | 1.8 | .86 | .43 | 1.46 | 3.10 | 15.1 |
Brad Miller (TOT) | 76 | 75 | 29.8 | .499 | .429 | .775 | 3.30 | 4.90 | 8.20 | 2.0 | 1.00 | .54 | 1.51 | 3.20 | 13.6 |
Al Harrington | 44 | 1 | 29.8 | .475 | .333 | .799 | 2.20 | 4.10 | 6.30 | 1.2 | .93 | .48 | 1.77 | 3.80 | 13.1 |
Ron Artest | 28 | 24 | 29.3 | .411 | .215 | .733 | 1.20 | 3.80 | 5.00 | 1.8 | 2.36 | .57 | 1.75 | 3.90 | 10.9 |
Ron Artest (TOT) | 55 | 50 | 29.9 | .423 | .312 | .667 | 1.30 | 3.60 | 4.90 | 2.3 | 2.56 | .71 | 2.15 | 3.90 | 13.2 |
Jamaal Tinsley | 80 | 78 | 30.5 | .380 | .240 | .704 | 1.00 | 2.80 | 3.70 | 8.1 | 1.73 | .50 | 3.38 | 3.10 | 9.4 |
Jonathan Bender | 78 | 17 | 21.1 | .430 | .360 | .773 | .80 | 2.30 | 3.10 | .8 | .24 | .63 | 1.23 | 1.90 | 7.4 |
Austin Croshere | 76 | 1 | 16.9 | .413 | .338 | .851 | 1.00 | 2.90 | 3.90 | 1.0 | .34 | .38 | .88 | 1.40 | 6.8 |
Jeff Foster | 82 | 48 | 21.8 | .449 | .133 | .610 | 2.50 | 4.30 | 6.80 | .9 | .87 | .46 | .96 | 2.80 | 5.7 |
Kevin Ollie | 29 | 0 | 19.9 | .400 | .000 | .804 | .20 | 1.70 | 1.90 | 3.4 | .90 | .03 | .90 | 1.10 | 5.4 |
Kevin Ollie (TOT) | 81 | 17 | 21.3 | .388 | .500 | .824 | .30 | 2.00 | 2.30 | 3.6 | .77 | .02 | 1.31 | 1.20 | 5.7 |
Ron Mercer | 13 | 1 | 16.4 | .373 | .200 | 1.000 | .50 | 1.30 | 1.80 | .8 | .15 | .23 | .69 | 1.70 | 4.8 |
Ron Mercer (TOT) | 53 | 41 | 32.4 | .397 | .290 | .798 | .90 | 2.40 | 3.40 | 2.4 | .60 | .25 | 1.66 | 2.00 | 13.9 |
Carlos Rogers | 22 | 1 | 7.6 | .558 | .167 | .526 | .60 | 1.10 | 1.70 | .1 | .23 | .27 | .23 | .80 | 2.7 |
Primoz Brezec | 22 | 4 | 7.3 | .483 | .000 | .600 | .70 | .50 | 1.30 | .3 | .00 | .32 | .27 | 1.30 | 2.0 |
Bruno Sundov | 22 | 0 | 4.0 | .400 | .000 | .000 | .30 | .60 | 1.00 | .1 | .14 | .14 | .18 | .70 | 1.5 |
Jamison Brewer | 13 | 0 | 3.3 | .400 | .000 | .000 | .20 | .50 | .60 | .7 | .15 | .00 | .23 | .20 | .3 |
After this Tinsley missed a bunch of games & like a virus it spread.
It became worse each year.
I remember giving a thumbs up to SJax because he played 81 games 2 years ago.
Damn that used to be a given.
Is it our players? Are they not as tough?
Do players that play every game exist on other teams?
It can't be bad luck year after year.
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