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Will Galen
02-17-2009, 03:57 PM
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Originally Published: February 17, 2009 What to expect as trade deadline nears

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<!-- end wide photo --> As commissioner David Stern warned at All-Star Weekend, the NBA is bracing to have the salary cap (and luxury-tax threshold) go down this summer for the first time ever. The picture might be even gloomier in 2010.With season-ticket renewals expected to plunge because of the weakness of the economy, some league executives expect the cap to fall significantly, which could have serious ramifications for a number of teams. Some teams might find themselves paying the luxury tax, and some might not have the cap space needed to sign players in the already-celebrated summer of 2010.

All of that seems to be having a cooling effect as we approach Thursday's trade deadline.
"You've got a market loaded with motivated sellers and only a very small group of buyers," one NBA executive told ESPN.com. "It's really ugly. Owners are scared to death right now."

"If no one is willing to take back contracts that extend beyond the summer of 2010, not much is happening this week," another executive said. "However, if you're a GM that has an owner willing to spend, you're going to hit the jackpot this week. There are a lot of deals to be had if you're willing to take back salary. The problem is, those owners seem to be few and far between."

There has been a financial element to virtually every trade rumor out there this winter.
The Suns' willingness to move Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) has been motivated, in part, by owner Robert Sarver's desire to get below the luxury-tax threshold in Phoenix. Finances have played an even bigger role in their shopping Shaquille O'Neal.

The Hornets have just moved Tyson Chandler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=984) for similar reasons. The Wizards are flirting with moving Caron Butler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1705) and the Bucks are dangling Richard Jefferson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1006), with each team looking for cap relief in return.

And the Knicks have had to seriously consider trading a core building block like David Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2772) to create the possibility of making a run at an elite free agent in 2010. Given the shrinking economy, that task is becoming more urgent by the minute, as Chris Sheridan explained in his excellent look at the state of the Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Knicks2010-090217) and their attempts to open up cap space for LeBron James.

So this year, more than ever before, the trick isn't just to identify who's on the trading block but also to figure out which teams are willing to trade cap space for talent.
Here's a look at what we're hearing:
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The hottest name at the trade deadline? A guy who hasn't played a game this season: Raef LaFrentz (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=454) of the Portland Trail Blazers.

"If you asked owners in the league who they'd rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz," one executive told me. "That's how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2710) has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire."

That might have been confirmed Monday when the Suns' interest in trading Stoudemire cooled dramatically (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3912108). Some of that has to do with the hope that new coach Alvin Gentry will inject some life into the listless Suns. But much of it has to do with the fact that the Suns haven't gotten a great offer for Stoudemire.

Meanwhile, sources confirm that the Blazers have been getting a steady flow of offers for LaFrentz, including two significant new ones Monday.

The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1026), Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen. A fourth one, Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558), is also a favorite of the Blazers, but the Wolves have been reluctant to include him in a deal.

Sources say the Blazers have intensified their focus on Wallace. He's young, athletic and physical, and he doesn't need to score to be an impact player. He has four years and $38 million left on his contract, which is a lot, but given his age and production the past few years, it's not unreasonable. The problem for the Blazers is that the Bobcats want Portland to take back Nazr Mohammed (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=568) as part of the deal. That could be a deal-breaker for Pritchard.

Butler might be the best player of the group when he's healthy. He was an All-Star last year and is excellent in the mid-range game. He too has a reasonable contract, with just two years and $21 million left on his deal. But it's unclear what the Wizards would want in return and whether they'll ultimately opt to keep Butler and reevaluate the team when Gilbert Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=974) returns. If the Wizards are to make such a deal, certainly they'll want the Blazers to take back Etan Thomas' contract, and they'll likely also demand one or two young players from the Blazers. That price might be too high for Portland.

Jefferson is the most available. The Bucks need to clear his salary from their cap if they're going to re-sign their two restricted free agents this summer: Charlie Villanueva (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2792) and Ramon Sessions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3231). Sources say there have been conversations that have included both Jefferson and Milwaukee point guard Luke Ridnour (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1985), though the talk has quieted down. As a proven scorer and defender who's played in the NBA Finals, Jefferson has some appeal for the Blazers.

One wild card for the Blazers is Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=136). His contract is the most expensive of the group, but Carter has been fantastic this season and would give the Blazers the biggest bang of anyone out there. It appears unlikely the Blazers will go that direction, but New Jersey would certainly listen if Portland wanted to do a deal.
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Speaking of Carter, well-placed league sources say there is a good chance Carter is moved before the trade deadline. San Antonio, Dallas and Cleveland have all been mentioned as possible destinations, but sources say that the emerging dark horse is Houston (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou).

A trade of Carter and Trenton Hassell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=998) for Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) would achieve two goals for New Jersey: It would get the Nets another $15 million further under the cap in 2010, and it would allow them to remain competitive in the interim.

It appears that the oft-injured McGrady has worn out his welcome in Houston, so it's hard to see why the Rockets wouldn't make that deal.
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It seems the Cavs would be, like the Blazers and Rockets, in a position to be buyers this week, because they have Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831), a player with a coveted expiring contract.
But Cavs GM Danny Ferry told Marc Stein on Sunday night that he'd "be surprised if they did anything at this point."

Maybe the surprise should be if they don't do something.
When Ferry made the deal for Szczerbiak, one of the big selling points was that the Cavs could use the contract as an asset this year.

And if the Blazers are getting so much interest in LaFrentz, why wouldn't Cleveland be getting similar interest in Szczerbiak? Yes, LaFrentz's contract is easier to swallow thanks to an insurance provision that pays 80 percent of it. But if teams are selling assets, shouldn't the Cavs pounce to increase their chances of winning the title?

It all makes you wonder if Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is among the owners feeling the financial heat. The Cavs are paying roughly $19 million in luxury taxes this year. But next year they will go under the luxury-tax threshold if they let Wally walk.
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The Knicks are an interesting case. They want to clear cap space and get better at the same time.
On one hand, they need to find a home for either Eddy Curry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=990) or Jared Jeffries (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1717), whose contracts don't expire until 2011. That means that if the Knicks don't trade one or both of them, they probably won't be able to re-sign David Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2772) or sign two superstars in the summer of 2010.

On the other hand, the Knicks would like to fill some holes in the short term. Their biggest hole is in the middle, where the combination of Curry and Jerome James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=383) has given them nothing.
Can Knicks president Donnie Walsh find a way to fulfill both goals at the same time?

On Monday, the Knicks and Kings discussed a possible trade of Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=739) for Brad Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=556), two league sources told ESPN.com. Miller was a Walsh favorite in Indiana and could help fill the hole in the middle for the Knicks. And Miller's contract is right for New York, as it comes off the books in 2010.

Both teams would have to include more players to make the numbers work.

The Kings would like Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782) as part of the deal. The Knicks talked about including James as part of the deal, though they're even more interested in including Jeffries.

If the Knicks and Kings can agree to a deal that swaps Miller and Kenny Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=849) -- who also has a contract that expires in 2010 -- to the Knicks for Rose, Robinson and Jeffries, the Knicks will suddenly have a legit center and enough cap space to sign David Lee this summer and a max player like LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) in 2010.

Would the Kings do the deal? Rose would give them some cap relief immediately. Robinson is a talented spark plug who could give them energy off the bench. But with Jeffries' contract running until 2011, it's not an easy sell.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this as we get closer to Thursday.
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I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind) as a possible trade partner. They have two expiring contracts: Rasho Nesterovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=598) and Marquis Daniels (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2200), whose salaries together equal $15 million. As a bonus, both of those players are actually playing really well this season.

Why wouldn't a playoff team looking to create some cap space make a run at those guys?
It's no secret that the Pacers want to find both an athletic big man and a team willing to take point guard Jamaal Tinsley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1024) off their hands. Pacers execs Larry Bird and David Morway have done a great job of recreating this roster on the fly. The team has about $10 million or so in wiggle room next year before it hits the luxury-tax threshold, so the Pacers can take on some salary. I wouldn't be surprised to see them become players Thursday.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=min) are another team in an interesting position. Rashad McCants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2777) (who hits restricted free agency this summer) and Jason Collins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=987) have expiring contracts. And the team has another asset in Mike Miller.

Yet so far the Wolves haven't packaged them together to add another major piece to their rebuilding effort. They won't have enough cap room next summer to be major players, so the question arises: Why not make a move now?

They need help at both point guard and center. One rumored trade I've heard: McCants, Collins and Brian Cardinal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=130) for the Sixers' Samuel Dalembert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=991), who would give Minnesota shot-blocking and athleticism in the frontcourt. But is he worth the two years and $25 million left on his contract?
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The Pistons also could become players. Rasheed Wallace (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=883) and Allen Iverson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=366) have big expiring contracts. If Detroit lets them expire, it goes into the summer with $20 million or more in cap space, putting the Pistons in position to make a significant offseason splash.
But if a team can offer the Pistons something now that's better than what's available this summer, they'll have to take a long, hard look.
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Another team that could be a buyer is the Mavericks. They have Jason Kidd's expiring contract and Jerry Stackhouse's semi-expiring deal to offer.

While the Mavs have shown no interest in acquiring Shaquille O'Neal, I'm surprised owner Mark Cuban hasn't shown more a more proactive approach to shaping the long-term direction of the franchise.

In the short term, losing Kidd would hurt, a lot. But does Dallas think it has a realistic chance of winning it all this year? If not, shouldn't the Mavs start rebuilding?
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The Heat are prowling for a point guard. The two names I've heard the most are Raymond Felton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2753) and Kyle Lowry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3012). The Heat are offering Daequan Cook (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3196), according to a source.
Chad Ford (http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/writeback?name=Chad+Ford) covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

DGPR
02-17-2009, 04:04 PM
Also some insider rumors.
ESPN.com
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?&&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2ffeatures%2frumors

Tuesday, February 17
http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1977.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) Bosh Rumor Gains Steam

Chris Bosh | Raptors (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=tor)
The Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) trade talk still has the Bulls among the teams most involved, but a new scenario making the rounds has the Bulls taking part in a three-team deal that would bring Toronto Raptors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=tor) star Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977) to Chicago. The rumored swap would send Stoudemire to Toronto and land the Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho) a package of players and draft picks from the Bulls, likely to include Drew Gooden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1711) and his expiring $7.2 million contract, Tyrus Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032) and a first-round pick. -- Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1434361,CST-SPT-bull17.article)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/trans/phi.gif (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=phi) Nothing Imminent

Team president Ed Stefanski said the Sixers are still talking and listening about potential deals prior to Thursday's trade deadline. In an e-mail response late Monday afternoon, Stefanski said, "Nothing has changed. We continue to talk to teams throughout the league, but nothing is imminent." -- Bucks County Courier Times (http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/126/2009/february/17/sixers-set-sights-on-significant-victory.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/532.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) McGrady Eyes More Opinions

Tracy McGrady | Rockets (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou)
Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) will spend some of this week visiting out-of-town doctors to get more opinions on his left knee. He did not practice with the team Monday evening, will not play tonight against New Jersey and is listed by the Rockets as day-to-day. "I didn't expect to see him," said head coach Rick Adelman. "He's gonna get second opinions, and we just have to deal with who we have right now and get ready for this game [tonight]." -- Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6266372.html)



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Vince Carter | Nets (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=njn)
The Nets and Rockets have exchanged trade proposals and continue to talk, according to league sources and sources close to the Nets. One scenario has Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=136) and Josh Boone (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2990) going to Houston for Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=25), Carl Landry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3217) and Luther Head (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2763).
But another Texas team remains very much alive in the Carter sweepstakes. The San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sas)' package for Carter would include Roger Mason (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1721) Jr., George Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3438) and Bruce Bowen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=83), the sources said. The Nets would have to make other moves to clear roster room for the additional players they take back.
Nothing is imminent at this point, but the trade deadline is Thursday. Things are expected to heat up before then. -- The Record (http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/39699777.html)
Tim Duncan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=215) says he would love to have Carter as a teammate, and why not? At age 32, Carter remains one of the NBA's most productive small forwards, averaging 20.8 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.9 assists.
Duncan hedges when the price for Carter reportedly includes Roger Mason Jr., Bruce Bowen, George Hill and Fabricio Oberto (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2805).
"I'd hate to see that many guys go," Duncan said.
If GM R.C. Buford can find a way to get Carter from the Nets without including so many rotation players -- a Robert Horry (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=347) sign-and-trade could be part of such a solution -- it is easy to imagine Duncan giving such a deal the blessing Gregg Popovich likely would seek. -- San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Duncan_intrigued_by_talk_of_Big_Four.html)
"Doesn't bother me," Carter said of the incessant trade talks before the Nets practiced at the Toyota Center Monday. "I don't really get caught up in that. I hadn't heard anything -- through hearsay or through other people. No big deal."
"Like I said, if it happens, it happens. I do my job regardless. I'm at a point in my career it's more about being professional. And I'm not avoiding the question. With the years behind [me], I've learned to just accept the reality of it and make the best of it."
Just the same, does he understand why the Nets would make such a move? "I don't," Carter said with a laugh. "I won't [play GM]. It could be for so many reasons I couldn't name today. I can hold my head up high and feel good about it. And if it happens, move on and do what I need to do." -- The Star-Ledger (http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/02/vince_carter_says_he_is_at_pea.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/trans/sac.gif (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac) [B]Small Deal With Minnesota?

There remains the potential for the Kings to do a smaller deal, and sources said one such scenario exists with Minnesota. Third-year guard Quincy Douby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3000) ($1.4 million expiring contract) and veteran forward Mikki Moore (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=575) ($5.8 million this season and only $2 million of $6.2 million next season guaranteed if waived by June 20) could go to the Timberwolves for guard Rashad McCants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2777) (expiring deal for $2.6 million). -- Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/1629989.html)


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Andre Miller | 76ers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=phi)
The league's trade deadline is Thursday afternoon. If the Sixers believed they wouldn't be able to sign the free agent for next season, general manager Ed Stefanski might be forced to get what he can for Andre Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=557) now rather than watch him walk away at season's end without receiving anything in return.
"That's not how we're looking at this. Not at all," Stefanski said yesterday. "I can't speak for Andre, but I think he likes it with us, and we like him. Getting the contract done is a process and the trading deadline this week is one step in the process." "The only way we would trade Andre Miller is if we get a deal that makes basketball sense for us," Stefanski said. "We're not going to trade Andre Miller just to do a financial deal. We like him for all the things he does for us on the court, and we would like to keep him if at all possible." -- The Philadelphia Inquirer (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/bob_ford/20090217_Bob_Ford__Keeping_Miller_now_could_pay_of f_for_Sixers_later.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/nba/profiles/coaches/300289.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/coach?id=289) Will DiLeo Remain The Coach?

Tony DiLeo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/coach?id=289) | 76ers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=phi)</STRONG>
Tony DiLeo, who remains the senior vice president of basketball operations and assistant general manager, has reveled in the job. Even though both Ed Stefanski and DiLeo have said they will discuss the future after the conclusion of the season, it has become obvious that DiLeo very much wants to remain the coach. "When I first mentioned the possibility of coaching to him, I suggested that he take a day to think about it, but he said, 'No, I want to do it,'" Stefanski recalled. "Even the next day, I suggested he take another day and he again said he wanted to do it. One thing I know: Tony knows basketball, knows personnel. And these players knew him, because he was the one scouting them, drafting them, acquiring them. If he had been brand-new or coming from the outside, I would never have done that." -- Philadelphia Daily News (http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20090217_Stefanski_s_Brand-new_vision_for_Sixers.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/trans/lac.gif (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lac) Clips Don't Want To Trade Camby

I've been repeatedly told the Clippers do not want to trade Marcus Camby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=125). And really, why should they. Camby has a relatively inexpensive contract, has been a great team leader and is playing like an All Star.
Now, does that mean the team would never trade one of the aforementioned players [Eric Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3431), Al Thornton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3237), Zach Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1017) and Camby]? No. It means they don't want to trade them and it would take a lot to change their minds. I was told, however, that if the Clippers were trying to dump Chris Kaman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1982)'s salary, they could've done it in two seconds. In other words, that's not the objective. -- Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/2009/02/trade-rumors.html)



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Brad Miller | Kings (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac)
The interest in Brad Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=556) remains lukewarm leaguewide, but sources said he remains on New York's radar.
The Knicks have indicated that they are interested in Miller or swingman John Salmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1726), with the potential players coming to Sacramento including Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=739) ($7.6 million expiring contract), Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782) ($2 million expiring contract) and Jerome James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=383) ($6.2 million this season, player option for $6.6 million next). New York also is believed to have told the Kings it has no intention of trading exiled guard Stephon Marbury (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=509) and his $20.8 million expiring contract. --Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/1629989.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/trans/dal.gif (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) Big Trade Unlikely

New Jersey's Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=136), Phoenix's Shaquille O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=614) and Minnesota's Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558) may sound delicious, but any chance of the Mavericks dealing for them is remote.
More likely, according to a pair of NBA sources, is that the Mavericks would pull off a smaller deal for a player who would be solidly in their playing rotation. The teams that seem to be on everybody's speed dial are Oklahoma City and Portland. -- The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/021709dnspomavslede.3b3b91c.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/984.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=984) Ankle Still Sore

Tyson Chandler | Hornets (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nor)
After missing 12 consecutive games before the All-Star break with a sprained left ankle, Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=984) experienced a setback Monday.
Chandler completed only half of Monday's practice before experiencing soreness in his left ankle.
Near the end of the Hornets' two-hour practice, Chandler appeared disappointed as he sat in a chair with socks on but no shoes. "I'm trying to do everything in my will to stay on the court," Chandler said. "I made it through 75 percent of the practice, and then it got kind of sore on me. It's just not where I want to be or where the trainers wanted me to be." -- The Times-Picayune (http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-41/1234851742221300.xml&coll=1)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/974.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=974) Grunfeld Doesn't Regret Signing Arenas

Gilbert Arenas | Wizards (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=was)
GM Ernie Grunfeld said that he does not regret awarding Gilbert Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=974) such a huge contract last summer even though the three-time All-Star had been limited to 13 games last season after undergoing a second knee surgery. At the time of the signing, Grunfeld thought Arenas would be ready to play the majority of this season. Arenas originally expected to return by December, but has continued to experience discomfort in the knee and has been limited to games of one-on-one and other noncontact work. No official timetable has been established for Arenas's return, but, according to a team source, the Wizards expect to have Arenas and Haywood back before the end of the season. Grunfeld said he would "absolutely" sign Arenas again knowing what he knows now. "Gilbert is a top-notch player and we expect him to be back and we expect him to play at an All-Star level. I wish I had a time frame to give you, but you never really know with those things." -- The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/16/AR2009021601244.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/1985.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1985) Ridnour Preparing To Return

Luke Ridnour | Bucks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil)
Less than two weeks ago, on Feb. 5, Luke Ridnour (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1985) suffered a fractured right thumb that was expected to keep him out of the lineup for at least four weeks.
Now it's possible the 6-foot-2 guard could return to Milwaukee's lineup later this week. "I think I'm way ahead of schedule," Ridnour said after finishing his shooting drills. "I'm just staying positive, trying to get ready and stay in shape. Hopefully, everything goes well these next couple days." -- Journal Sentinel (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/39695807.html)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/3202.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3202) Waiting For A Call

Kevin Durant | Thunder (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=okc)
Kevin Durant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3202) said he did not meet with USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo during All-Star Weekend in Phoenix to talk about a possible roster spot on the 2012 team.
"They honored the guys that won the Olympics so I guess their focus was all on that," Durant said. "But whenever he calls my name I'm going to be more than ready to participate. So I'm just waiting on that call. "I heard all the guys that played before want to come back. Obviously there wasn't any room for me on that team, so I'll just wait my turn." -- The Oklahoman (http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-notebook-will-thunder-make-a-trade/article/3346405?custom_click=pod_headline_nba-thunder)



http://a.espncdn.com/i/nba/profiles/coaches/30028.jpg (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/coach?id=28) Not Seeking Fame

Jerry Sloan (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/coach?id=28) | Jazz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=uth)</STRONG>
Jerry Sloan didn't throw a party for himself at his Illinois farm this past weekend when it was announced that he is a Class of 2009 finalist for the Basketball Hall of Fame.
"That hasn't been my ambition in coaching," he said Monday. "It hasn't been my ambition in playing."
The Jazz coach did, however, admit that it would be somewhat special. "Obviously, it would be an honor," he said. "But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it." -- Deseret News (http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705285639,00.html)

Kstat
02-17-2009, 04:06 PM
at this point, I'm in favor of letting our expirings expire and take advantage on the horde of teams that will be looking to slash costs next summer when the salary cap falls and we're the only team in town that can take on massive contracts without giving any back.

Washington is going to be so screwed luxury tax-wise next summer...and they will have a top-5 pick to dangle as bait.

DGPR
02-17-2009, 04:09 PM
at this point, I'm in favor of letting our expirings expire and take advantage on the horde of teams that will be looking to slash costs next summer when the salary cap falls and we're the only team in town that can take on massive contracts without giving any back.

Washington is going to be so screwed luxury tax-wise next summer...and they will have a top-5 pick to dangle as bait.

Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.

nerveghost
02-17-2009, 04:12 PM
Would somebody tell Sloan that its ok to accept a compliment? geez, what an ungrateful sour puss.

BRushWithDeath
02-17-2009, 04:27 PM
Would somebody tell Sloan that its ok to accept a compliment? geez, what an ungrateful sour puss.

That couldn't be further from what I got out of his quote.

idioteque
02-17-2009, 04:31 PM
This gives credence to Gnome's cutting costs theory. Maybe no one is talking about trading with us because TPTB has established they don't want to trade our expirings and take on more future salary. Not what I really want to hear, but it would not surprise me.

blanket
02-17-2009, 05:37 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/907317.html

"There has been speculation that Miami has some interest in banished Indiana Pacers guard Jamaal Tinsley, but only if he is bought out of the two seasons remaining on his contract. Tinsley has filed a grievance against the Pacers and is awaiting a hearing."

Trader Joe
02-17-2009, 05:49 PM
Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.

What is it going to take for some of you to realize that kstat is a Piston fan and that when he says "we" he in no way, shape, or form is referring to the Pacers? Is Iverson being in his avatar not a big enough clue for some of you?


A couple thoughts, why does Toronto think that Amare and Marion could work there when they didn't like each other in Phoenix? Seems irrational to me, especially without Nash to keep them both semi-happy.

Also, why are the Clippers so insistent on not trading Camby? He is a win-now player, and they are pretty clearly not a win-now team. Trade him now while his value is still very high and clear the cap space. It's times like these where Clipper fans have to be close to jumping off the top of a tall building.

MyFavMartin
02-17-2009, 06:01 PM
It's times like these where Clipper fans have to be close to jumping off the top of a tall building.

There are none left. They already jumped.

:suicide3:

All the lemmings are dead.

:cry:

CableKC
02-17-2009, 06:44 PM
Getting that top-5 pick would be nice if we can land a guy like Harden or possibly Griffen.
I would easily do a Rasho for Haywood or Etan Thomas + protected Top 5 future 1st round pick IF they were healthy....but since they are not....I look at the Wizards roster and I see nothing that would really help us...nor make sense.

CableKC
02-17-2009, 06:45 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/basketball/story/907317.html

"There has been speculation that Miami has some interest in banished Indiana Pacers guard Jamaal Tinsley, but only if he is bought out of the two seasons remaining on his contract. Tinsley has filed a grievance against the Pacers and is awaiting a hearing."
Unfortunately, that's not really surprising. Riley wants somewhat decent players at a low cost....not a high price.

Merz
02-17-2009, 08:13 PM
What is it going to take for some of you to realize that kstat is a Piston fan and that when he says "we" he in no way, shape, or form is referring to the Pacers? Is Iverson being in his avatar not a big enough clue for some of you?


Though I have also seen people refer to kstat as if he were a Pacer fan, the post you quoted doesn't fit that. Kstat simply said the Wizards are going to be screwed with the luxury tax, but they have a top 5 pick to deal with. No direct comment about the Pistons there.

Naptown_Seth
02-18-2009, 02:59 AM
Though I have also seen people refer to kstat as if he were a Pacer fan, the post you quoted doesn't fit that. Kstat simply said the Wizards are going to be screwed with the luxury tax, but they have a top 5 pick to deal with. No direct comment about the Pistons there.
GrangerPwrRanger does take it as "yeah, we (Pacers) could use that top 5 pick". That's Indy's point. He looked at it as Kstat discussing a Pacers strategy when in fact he was talking about a Pistons strategy.

The Pacers aren't in a position to just let Quis/Rasho walk and then take on salary to their heart's content next year, ala a deal with WSH for example

Merz
02-18-2009, 05:12 AM
GrangerPwrRanger does take it as "yeah, we (Pacers) could use that top 5 pick". That's Indy's point. He looked at it as Kstat discussing a Pacers strategy when in fact he was talking about a Pistons strategy.

The Pacers aren't in a position to just let Quis/Rasho walk and then take on salary to their heart's content next year, ala a deal with WSH for example

re-reading it I can see that he probably was still talking about the Pistons and not just the fact that the Wizards have a potential pick to dangle to anyone who could find a way to get it.

I'll just give GrangerPwrRanger the benefit of the doubt that he didn't read it that way....but anyway....

I too don't see the Pacers adding much to their salary even after Quis/Rasho expire. I hope they can do something but I'm not keeping my hopes up too high.

jeffg-body
02-18-2009, 05:19 AM
I still wouldn't mind us looking to see what would pry that top five potential pick from Washington. I think we'd be bettter suited to pay another rook contract than look at a MLE type of player. You never know what undergrad may be thinking for coming out early. :)

wintermute
02-18-2009, 06:23 AM
It seems the Cavs would be, like the Blazers and Rockets, in a position to be buyers this week, because they have Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831), a player with a coveted expiring contract.
But Cavs GM Danny Ferry told Marc Stein on Sunday night that he'd "be surprised if they did anything at this point."

Maybe the surprise should be if they don't do something.
When Ferry made the deal for Szczerbiak, one of the big selling points was that the Cavs could use the contract as an asset this year.

And if the Blazers are getting so much interest in LaFrentz, why wouldn't Cleveland be getting similar interest in Szczerbiak? Yes, LaFrentz's contract is easier to swallow thanks to an insurance provision that pays 80 percent of it. But if teams are selling assets, shouldn't the Cavs pounce to increase their chances of winning the title?

It all makes you wonder if Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is among the owners feeling the financial heat. The Cavs are paying roughly $19 million in luxury taxes this year. But next year they will go under the luxury-tax threshold if they let Wally walk.


it does look like the cavs are having financial difficulties of their own. wally is tremendously valuable as an expiring contract right now. if they can swap him for an expensive former all-star (antawn jamison is being rumored), they're almost guaranteed to wrap up the east. i would be really surprised if they don't make a move like that.




I'm wondering why no one is mentioning the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind) as a possible trade partner. They have two expiring contracts: Rasho Nesterovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=598) and Marquis Daniels (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2200), whose salaries together equal $15 million. As a bonus, both of those players are actually playing really well this season.

Why wouldn't a playoff team looking to create some cap space make a run at those guys?
It's no secret that the Pacers want to find both an athletic big man and a team willing to take point guard Jamaal Tinsley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1024) off their hands. Pacers execs Larry Bird and David Morway have done a great job of recreating this roster on the fly. The team has about $10 million or so in wiggle room next year before it hits the luxury-tax threshold, so the Pacers can take on some salary. I wouldn't be surprised to see them become players Thursday.


again, this hints that the pacers may be in difficulties themselves.

i'm not computing the $10m wiggle room that chad ford thinks we'll have next summer. he must be more optimistic about the tax threshold increasing than anyone else out there.

El Pacero
02-18-2009, 10:15 AM
re-reading it I can see that he probably was still talking about the Pistons and not just the fact that the Wizards have a potential pick to dangle to anyone who could find a way to get it.

I'll just give GrangerPwrRanger the benefit of the doubt that he didn't read it that way....but anyway....

I too don't see the Pacers adding much to their salary even after Quis/Rasho expire. I hope they can do something but I'm not keeping my hopes up too high.

I got an idea, how about posters to PD that are fans of another team not use "we" and instead use the name of their team? easy peasey

OakMoses
02-18-2009, 10:42 AM
Here's one that was on ESPN.com.

It was something along the lines of the Rockets sending Battier, Artest, and Landry to New Jersey for Carter.

That will never happen because the Rockets aren't stupid.

Justin Tyme
02-18-2009, 11:58 AM
Here's one that was on ESPN.com.

It was something along the lines of the Rockets sending Battier, Artest, and Landry to New Jersey for Carter.

That will never happen because the Rockets aren't stupid.


I'd ask for a link, but I've already read about that trade on Hoopshype this morning. I just laughed when reading it.

Kstat
02-18-2009, 12:02 PM
After looking over the numbers, I think Carlos Boozer is basically going to be forced to sign in detroit next season. Nobody else has the money to pay him what detroit can, outside of utah, and he isnt going back there.

Miami was the obvious choice but they basically took themselves out of the running by trading for JO.

31andonly
02-18-2009, 12:04 PM
...Nobody else has the money to pay him what detroit can, outside of utah, and he isnt going back there.

Why not?

Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I'm not up to date concerning Boozer.

purdue101
02-18-2009, 12:09 PM
After looking over the numbers, I think Carlos Boozer is basically going to be forced to sign in detroit next season. Nobody else has the money to pay him what detroit can, outside of utah, and he isnt going back there.

Miami was the obvious choice but they basically took themselves out of the running by trading for JO.

you're assuming he opts out - don't hold your breath on that.

a lot of writers are saying he may wait until 2010 for two reasons.

1.) his injury has really hurt his value
2.) more teams will have money in 2010, including his preference of miami.

obviously, utah would like him to opt out so they can sign milsap long term. i would imagine they would trade him right now for exprings, which guarantee the cap relief, and a pick or nice young player.

JMHO

Mourning
02-18-2009, 12:09 PM
Why not?

Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I'm not up to date concerning Boozer.

There's not enough teams enough under the cap to be able to pay him the salary that he will be wanting/asking/demanding (choose your preference). Detroit is one of the very few exceptions.

Everybody considered Miami a natural destination, but with them taking Beasley and allready having Haslem I was always a little skeptical about that. A good Center and a first rate PG seemed much more logical.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

rexnom
02-18-2009, 12:12 PM
After looking over the numbers, I think Carlos Boozer is basically going to be forced to sign in detroit next season. Nobody else has the money to pay him what detroit can, outside of utah, and he isnt going back there.

Miami was the obvious choice but they basically took themselves out of the running by trading for JO.
I love you, Kstat. That's fantastic. :laugh:

Speed
02-18-2009, 12:12 PM
Can't you still sign and trade Boozer to basically any team with a matching salary, though?

Kstat
02-18-2009, 12:15 PM
Can't you still sign and trade Boozer to basically any team with a matching salary, though?


Utah can, but if they could afford that, they would simply re-sign him themselves.

They are looking to pay Millsap and Deron, not boozer.

purdue101
02-18-2009, 12:18 PM
Can't you still sign and trade Boozer to basically any team with a matching salary, though?

i doubt utah does a sign and trade. they are up against the LT and would want cap space to sign milsap.

boozer is a great player, but i honestly think utah would rather have milsap due to age, health, $$$, etc.

i think they are looking at three differenct scenarios, with the later being the prefered.

if boozer doesn't opt out - utah will lose milsap. no way they can afford him.
if he does opt out - they lose boozer to FA for nothing and keep milsap
trade him for expirings and a pick/young player. this way they get to keep milsap but also get something of value for boozer.

rexnom
02-18-2009, 12:19 PM
I think the Carter - McGrady one makes a whole lot more sense. I don't get why the Nets wouldn't it - they're not going to get a better deal, I don't think. That is a HUGE expiring in 2010.

Speed
02-18-2009, 12:25 PM
When is AK47's albatross up? That would make a big difference. I would guess, though, they are stuck.

Speed
02-18-2009, 12:27 PM
I think the Carter - McGrady one makes a whole lot more sense. I don't get why the Nets wouldn't it - they're not going to get a better deal, I don't think. That is a HUGE expiring in 2010.


Speaking of T Mac, would it suprise anyone if it was announced at some point soon, he was just going to call it a career?

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it wouldn't be a surprise to me, at all.

PugdOut
02-18-2009, 12:28 PM
- One dark horse to keep an eye on is the Indiana Pacers. The Pacers have a number of expiring contracts on the roster including: Rasho Nesterovic ($8.4 million), Marquis Daniels ($6.86 million), Maceo Baston ($1.97 million), Stephen Graham ($826,269) and Josh McRoberts ($711,517). To be very clear, none of the folks I have spoken with have told me the Pacers are discussing any deals that are imminent. That said, given the value of expiring contracts in the trade market right now, don't be surprised if a team interested in cutting future payroll approaches the Pacers with a proposal.

What the heck man? If we don't make a move by the deadline then it most be the Simons are losing too much money and want to shed payroll.

I look at the "proposed deals" that have expiring contracts and unlike Lafrentz, etc. we have expiring s that can actually produce this year!!

I , for one, will be really disappointing if it turns out we we were not heavily active in trade talks. :censored:

31andonly
02-18-2009, 12:34 PM
There's not enough teams enough under the cap to be able to pay him the salary that he will be wanting/asking/demanding (choose your preference). Detroit is one of the very few exceptions.

Everybody considered Miami a natural destination, but with them taking Beasley and allready having Haslem I was always a little skeptical about that. A good Center and a first rate PG seemed much more logical.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Yes I understand that, but why not Utah?

I can't imagine the Jazz will let him go without getting anything in return. Sign and trade maybe?

OakMoses
02-18-2009, 12:41 PM
I , for one, will be really disappointing if it turns out we we were not heavily active in trade talks. :censored:

In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt that the Pacers are heavily involved in trade talks. Whether anything gets done or not is a totally different question. Bird is not going to deal just for the sake of dealing, and I think he'll find a hard time finding a deal that both he and the Simons like.

CableKC
02-18-2009, 12:48 PM
Yes I understand that, but why not Utah?

I can't imagine the Jazz will let him go without getting anything in return. Sign and trade maybe?
I don't think that the Jazz can S&T Boozer before the Trade Deadline....I think that they can trade Boozer to whatever team for whatever value and Salary that they can get for Boozer's 2008-2009 salary. I think the Team getting him can then try to work out an extension maybe?

However, what clouds the issue is whether a Team would want to give up Tradeable assets for Boozer now when he has played very little games due to injury. If I were a GM that is really interested in signing Boozer in the offseason, I thought that I could work out an extension after acquiring him in before this trade deadline AND I could give up very little in tradeable assets to acquire him and/or move some contracts in the process....I guess I would consider it....otherwise...it would make sense to simply wait til he becomes a FA and just sign him outright later without giving up too much.

Speed
02-18-2009, 12:53 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to every team in the league.

-Nothing that would have made us better without giving up too much or putting us over the Luxury tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than their record.

-They've proven they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?

OakMoses
02-18-2009, 01:07 PM
-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.


I think you're right on with the exception of this one. He might say it, but it's a lot less true than the others. That's the kicker about your post, it's that pretty much everything is true.

brian1888
02-18-2009, 01:42 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to every team in the league.

-Nothing that would have made us better without giving up too much or putting us over the Luxury tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than their record.

-They've proven they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?

True...plus he'll say how proud he is of these kids and how hard they are working.

indygeezer
02-18-2009, 01:48 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to every team in the league.

-Nothing that would have made us better without giving up too much or putting us over the Luxury tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than their record.

-They've proven they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?



Cue audio tape "Donnie Walsh 1998"

Speed
02-18-2009, 01:51 PM
I was trying to work in some Hoosierisms like saying Warsh instead of Wash, but I couldn't make it happen.

Speed
02-18-2009, 01:53 PM
Wait...

-We had several trade offers, but they would have been a warsh on whether they would have made us better on not. I guess I'm trying to say they wouldn't have came out in the warsh.

count55
02-18-2009, 01:54 PM
I believe the Pacers would be foolish to take on a great deal of salary at this point. They aren't poised to make a leap, and trying to get a name like Bosh or Stoudemire is problematic for two reasons. First, it's unlikely that we have the package to get them. Second, any package would probably be devastating financially and would likely just be an 18-month rental.

At this point, I think they're looking for a Tinsley deal, and I hope they're willing to be salary neutral on it (Mohammed, Gadz). Beyond that, I am expecting them to sit on Daniels, Baston, and Rasho, and let those contracts expire at year end.

I think payroll and business is going to be the only driver for most of the teams in the NBA over the next couple of years.

indygeezer
02-18-2009, 02:01 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to ever team in the league.

-Nuttin that would have made us better without givin' up too much or puttin' us over the Luxry tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than there record showd.

-They've proved they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?

fixed

Speed
02-18-2009, 02:24 PM
Awesome!!

Will Galen
02-18-2009, 02:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090218
Originally Published: February 16, 2009
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http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0107/nba_g_bmiller1_576.jpg<cite>Chris Graythen/Getty Images</cite>A handful of teams are still interested in acquiring center Brad Miller from the Kings.
<!-- end wide photo -->The latest dribbles of chatter from the front-office grapevine to guide you in advance of Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, culled from conversations with various team officials and player agents:
We know of three trade scenarios involving Brad Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=556). They surfaced this week with the Kings' pushing hard to move the veteran center before Thursday's deadline.
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The Kings, sources say, were rejected by New York when they offered Miller and Kenny Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=849) -- two contracts that end just in time for the summer of 2010 free-agent pursuit of LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) -- for Stephon Marbury (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=509)'s $20.8 million expiring contract. All signs point to Marbury's remaining on the Knicks' roster through the deadline, after which he'll have just more than a week to negotiate his release if he hopes to be eligible for the playoffs with any other team. The Kings and Knicks continue to discuss an alternative package for Miller, which would feature the $7.6 million expiring contract of New York's Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=739). Sacramento, though, also is seeking Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782) in that scenario, which isn't going to happen because the Knicks -- fond as team president Donnie Walsh is of Miller dating to their Indiana days -- are too high on Robinson.
The Kings likewise have talked with Chicago about a still-developing swap that would net Andres Nocioni (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2456) and Drew Gooden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1711)'s $7.2 million expiring contract for Miller and swingman John Salmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1726).
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Salmons is the Sacramento player generating the most interest.
The Mavericks and Kings have been exchanging proposals involving the 29-year-old for some time. Portland and Oklahoma City also are frequently linked with Salmons.
San Antonio, meanwhile, is in the hunt as well, pursuing Salmons -- with an offer of Bruce Bowen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=83) and Ime Udoka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=866) -- as a far more affordable trade target for its perimeter rotation than Vince Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=136). New Jersey's Carter has tempted the small-market Spurs for days but can be absorbed by them only in a hugely expensive and complicated deal.
The Mavericks have been offering Jerry Stackhouse (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=802)'s virtual expiring contract ($7 million this season, only $2 million guaranteed next season) and Brandon Bass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2745) ($826,000) to the Kings since this past summer, when Sacramento was shopping Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=25). The biggest obstacle for Dallas on a Salmons deal has been the Kings' insistence that the Mavericks -- lacking draft picks to sweeten the deal -- also take back guard Beno Udrih (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2448), who has four years and nearly $27 million remaining on his contract after this season.
There is another complication for interested parties: Sources revealed Tuesday that Salmons has a 15 percent trade kicker in his contract that would require the team that acquires him to pay him a bonus of nearly $2 million and add that figure to its payroll. Salmons otherwise would rank as one of the league's better bargains, earning just $5.1 million this season while averaging 18.3 points and shooting 47.2 percent from the field and 41.8 percent on 3-pointers.
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The Wizards, sources said, quickly rebuffed Cleveland's offer of Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831)'s $13.8 million expiring contract for former All-Star forward Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=385).
One source with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking said Tuesday that team president Ernie Grunfeld is determined to continue resisting interest in Jamison and Caron Butler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1705) because the club has renewed hope that injured starters Gilbert Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=974) and Brendan Haywood (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1000) will play in a small handful of games before the season ends, affording the Wiz an opportunity to evaluate the full team they hoped to field this season.
With Arenas and Haywood both having missed the entire season so far, Washington has cratered to a nightmare record of 12-42.
The Cavs, meanwhile, are expected to shift their focus from Jamison to making a final pitch (or three) for Clippers center Marcus Camby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=125), after being convinced in this week's talks that the Wizards are not interested in parting with the 32-year-old in spite of their luxury-tax concerns.
The Clippers have been saying for weeks that Camby and rookie guard Eric Gordon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3431) are their only untouchables in trade talks, but history says Clippers owner Donald Sterling is bound to be tempted by the opportunity to remove Camby's $9.7 million from next season's payroll if presented with Szczerbiak's contract on deadline day ... unless L.A. can move Chris Kaman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1982)'s longer contract first.
"The Cavs are definitely being super aggressive," one Eastern Conference executive said. "They see this economic frenzy out there with so many teams trying to get off money and lower their payrolls like New Orleans did [by trading Tyson Chandler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=984)] and they want to capitalize. If they can spend now to help them keep LeBron later, they're going to do it."
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The Bulls have been shopping Larry Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=356) and Gooden for months, but multiple executives suggested Tuesday night that Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1981) suddenly was closer to relocation than any other Bull entering the final day and a half of trading.
Minnesota, according to NBA front-office sources, has strong interest in Hinrich and is pursuing the 28-year-old to address a void at lead guard that hasn't been filled by Randy Foye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3003) (whose success this season came after a shift to shooting guard) or the undependable Sebastian Telfair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2417).
The Wolves also have two expiring contracts of their own (Jason Collins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=987) and Rashad McCants (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2777)) that they're prepared to shed.
Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailbagESPN?event_id=3033).

aceace
02-18-2009, 02:39 PM
I have to wonder why there's been so much talk but virtually no action. Something makes me think the Pacers are intent in only trading Tinsley. Dropping their payroll by 5-10M next year and surviving the economy.

Tom White
02-18-2009, 02:58 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to every team in the league.

-Nothing that would have made us better without giving up too much or putting us over the Luxury tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than their record.

-They've proven they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?

You left one out.

-Because of the injuries, and the overall changes to our roster, we really don't know yet how this team will play together given more time. We really don't know what we have right now.

Tom White
02-18-2009, 03:00 PM
I was trying to work in some Hoosierisms like saying Warsh instead of Wash, but I couldn't make it happen.

That's because you got distracted by looking out your winders. I know, its fustrating.

Speed
02-18-2009, 03:00 PM
Here is another thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

John Hollinger: I'm hearing for the first time discussion of the Bulls moving Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1981), though the destination is still unknown -- "not Portland," my spy says.
Such a deal makes great sense for the Bulls but it's hard to know who would find his contract palatable in these times.
The Bulls also want to move Andres Nocioni (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2456). No surprise there -- the news is that I hear they may actually succeed.

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It doesn't say where Hinrich or maybe Nocioni are headed. They both have descending contracts which is interesting. Hinrich is known for defense and Nocioni for toughness. Both things I think the Pacers need. I liked/hated Nocioni of 3 years ago, when he was largely thought of as a guy people hated to play (borderline dirty). Hinrich would be an upgrade at point, imo, but not the way he's playing this year.

With all of this said, I can't see hitching the wagon to either one for 3 more years, which seems to be what their contracts are.

There is more under that link, btw.

Tom White
02-18-2009, 03:02 PM
fixed

Good job, geezer. You showed Speed that it ain't nuculer science.

Speed
02-18-2009, 03:04 PM
Well after reading the Hoosierisms, it makes me want to ask the question.

Is our children learning?



Quote credit to W.

PugdOut
02-18-2009, 03:30 PM
Rick in Indy:
Any Pacers rumors??

Steve Kyler:
None really... they are absolutely interested in moving Tinsley, but no one is calling... they are turning away offers on their ending deals - they want to shed those costs. Hoopsworld

Just as I thought , with the economy and the league losing revenue overall the small market teams like the Pacers are getting killed.

All we can hope for is to somehow get lucky like Miami did and get a high lottery pick. :mad:

CableKC
02-18-2009, 04:19 PM
I believe the Pacers would be foolish to take on a great deal of salary at this point. They aren't poised to make a leap, and trying to get a name like Bosh or Stoudemire is problematic for two reasons. First, it's unlikely that we have the package to get them. Second, any package would probably be devastating financially and would likely just be an 18-month rental.

At this point, I think they're looking for a Tinsley deal, and I hope they're willing to be salary neutral on it (Mohammed, Gadz). Beyond that, I am expecting them to sit on Daniels, Baston, and Rasho, and let those contracts expire at year end.

I think payroll and business is going to be the only driver for most of the teams in the NBA over the next couple of years.
I do not doubt that Bird is looking for trades to improve this team....but his hands are likely tied due to the scare of the Luxury Tax and what our Capspace situation will look in the 2009-2010 season.

The only trade that I would consider would be some Tinsley+Marquis for a solid Low-Post scoring/defending PF that has a comprable 3 year deal with a $11 mil per year / $33 mil guaranteed contract that expires after the 2010-2011 season.

I know it's a long shot and not optimal....but for the team taking on Tinsley+Marquis ( specifically a ~$22 mil Guaranteed / ~$7 mil per year over a 3 year period along with a ~$6.5 mil Expiring Contract ) they would clear about $4+ mil a year in Salary Cap along with a couple of million over the same 3-year period.

For the Pacers, if ( through some miracle ) we could package Tinsley with Marquis and get back someone with no more then an $11 mil per year contract ( over the next 3 years ), then we would be in the same position if we kept Tinsley and tried to sign a $4+ mil a year player.

CableKC
02-18-2009, 04:38 PM
Here is another thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

John Hollinger: I'm hearing for the first time discussion of the Bulls moving Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1981), though the destination is still unknown -- "not Portland," my spy says.
Such a deal makes great sense for the Bulls but it's hard to know who would find his contract palatable in these times.
The Bulls also want to move Andres Nocioni (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2456). No surprise there -- the news is that7I hear they may actually succeed.

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It doesn't say where Hinrich or maybe Nocioni are headed. They both have descending contracts which is interesting. Hinrich is known for defense and Nocioni for toughness. Both things I think the Pacers need. I liked/hated Nocioni of 3 years ago, when he was largely thought of as a guy people hated to play (borderline dirty). Hinrich would be an upgrade at point, imo, but not the way he's playing this year.

With all of this said, I can't see hitching the wagon to either one for 3 more years, which seems to be what their contracts are.

There is more under that link, btw.
In my NBA2k9 fantasy world where I am the Pacers GM, I would offer Tinsley+Jack for Hinrich. I know the Bulls wouldn't do it in real life.....but it would save them about $13+ mil in guaranteed $$, Tinsley's contract would come off a year early in the 2011-2012 season while shaving off about $2-3 mil per year in the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 salary cap.

I then wouldn't have to worry about seeing JO'B using a Ford/Jack combo on the floor to close out games and we upgrade our PG/SG rotation :dance:

I'm pretty sure that the Bulls would get way better offers....but I can dream.

Justin Tyme
02-18-2009, 05:39 PM
In years past, I think, Bird will have a post trade deadline press conference. Here's the cliff notes if no trades are made:

-We talked to every team in the league.

-Nothing that would have made us better without giving up too much or putting us over the Luxury tax.

-We feel like with the injuries we've had that this team is better than their record.

-They've proven they can beat anyone.

-We look forward to a deep draft class and will try to pick up more picks, if possible.

-We think we can improve with BRush, McBob, and Roy this offseason.

-We'll have to make some decisions on Jack and Marquis and others this offseason.

-We are still in the hunt for the playoffs.

Any questions?


Yeah, can you send Bird a copy of your post, so he'll know what to say when it comes time to say something?:)