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plutarch
01-08-2009, 07:47 PM
i think he will make it as a reserve, what do you guys think?

reiter883r
01-08-2009, 07:49 PM
I agree. There has been too much talk about him from other coaches for him NOT to be a reserve.

count55
01-08-2009, 08:01 PM
depends on Yi

GO!!!!!
01-08-2009, 08:02 PM
I'd agree, he has to be in there, they made a reference to him as an All Star last night on Sports Center so it should happen..

That Game WINNING THREE !! yes..

Hicks
01-08-2009, 08:04 PM
At this point I'd be surprised if he is NOT there.

Moses
01-08-2009, 08:08 PM
It would be a travesty if he didn't make the team.

dlewyus
01-08-2009, 08:08 PM
:devil: The all-star game means nothing to me. I just don't understand what the big deal is. If a player needs this for his confidence or something, he shouldn't. I guess for those fans that watch the game, they enjoy seeing the homies. I think it causes problems in the locker room to have players on the team openly campaining to make the "all stars". For me, I'd rather see all of our players get a well deserved, mid-season rest. Let some other teams get their players injured in an exibition game showing off.

MrSparko
01-08-2009, 08:15 PM
depends on Yi

I agree if Yi doesn't get voted in (how close is he I have no idea really) then Granger probably makes it in as 12th man this year.

Will Galen
01-08-2009, 08:26 PM
I agree if Yi doesn't get voted in (how close is he I have no idea really) then Granger probably makes it in as 12th man this year.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/01/01/all.star.voting.ap/
Howard maintains sizable lead in All-Star voting


NEW YORK (SI.com) -- The rosters for the 58th NBA All-Star game are beginning to take shape following the third balloting returns.
Orlando Magic (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/magic) center Dwight Howard (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3818) and Los Angeles Lakers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/lakers) guard Kobe Bryant (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3118) continue to lead the voting for their respective conferences, the league announced Thursday.
The defending slam dunk champion, Howard leads all comers with 1,709,088 votes and is running away with the starting center spot on the Eastern Conference squad.
Cleveland's LeBron James (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3704) (1,521,272) and Boston's Kevin Garnett (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) (1,101,541) are the top forwards for the East. Miami Heat (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/heat) guard Dwyane Wade (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3708) (1,473,225) is tops among Eastern Conference guards.
Bryant (1,534,020), the reigning league MVP, is the clear leader out West. Houston's Tracy McGrady (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3179) (961,852) will join him in the backcourt if he can hold off New Orleans guard Chris Paul (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3930) (867,889).
San Antonio's Tim Duncan (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3173) (1,132,095) is the leading vote-getter among Western Conference forwards. Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3607) holds a slim lead over Denver's Carmelo Anthony (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3706) (725,411) for the second starting spot.
Houston's Yao Ming (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3599) (1,396,126) leads all West centers in votes.
Paper balloting will continue through Jan. 11 with wireless tallies ceasing Jan. 19, three days before the announcement of the starters for both conferences.
The All-Star Game will be played on Feb. 15 in Phoenix.
Eastern Conference

FORWARDS: LeBron James, Cleveland, 1,521,272; Kevin Garnett, Boston, 1,101,541; Yi Jianlian (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4284), New Jersey, 959,324; Chris Bosh (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3707), Toronto, 601,204; Paul Pierce (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3253), Boston, 387,105; Hedo Turkoglu (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3415), Orlando, 236,360; Shawn Marion (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3332), Miami, 230,119; Danny Granger (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3943), Indiana, 155,484; Josh Smith (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3834), Atlanta, 131,281; Michael Beasley (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4388), Miami, 121,632; Tayshaun Prince (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3621), Detroit, 114,869.
GUARDS: Dwyane Wade, Miami, 1,473,225; Allen Iverson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3094), Detroit, 1,027,153; Vince Carter (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3248), New Jersey, 708,699; Ray Allen (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3080), Boston, 435,945; Devin Harris (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3822), New Jersey, 359,442; Gilbert Arenas (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3540), Washington, 283,030; Luke Ridnour (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3717), Milwaukee, 276,009; Derrick Rose (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4387), Chicago, 242,740; Jose Calderon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3989), Toronto, 221,946; Jameer Nelson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3837), Orlando, 198,050; Joe Johnson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3520), Atlanta, 189,343.
CENTERS: Dwight Howard, Orlando, 1,709,088; Samuel Dalembert (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3534), Philadelphia, 239,089; Rasheed Wallace (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3006), Detroit, 197,785; Jermaine O'Neal, Toronto, 177,121; Andrew Bogut (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3927), Milwaukee, 151,043; Al Horford (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4245), Atlanta, 140,637; Ben Wallace (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3149), Cleveland, 112,014; Emeka Okafor (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3819), Charlotte, 100,114; Brendan Haywood (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3532), Washington, 89,664; Zyrdrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland, 78,035; Kendrick Perkins (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3730), Boston, 68,513.
Western Conference

FORWARDS: Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 1,132,095; Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix, 743,639; Carmelo Anthony, Denver, 725,411; Dirk Nowitzki (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3252), Dallas, 673,720; Ron Artest (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3339), Houston, 662,510; Pau Gasol (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3513), L.A. Lakers, 495,835; Bruce Bowen (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3167), San Antonio, 375,079; Shane Battier (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3516), Houston, 374,413; Luis Scola (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3653), Houston, 228,598; Josh Howard (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3732), Dallas, 228,157; LaMarcus Aldridge (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4130), Portland, 170,056.
GUARDS: Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 1,534,020; Tracy McGrady, Houston, 961,852; Chris Paul, New Orleans, 867,889; Manu Ginobili (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3380), San Antonio, 500,158; Tony Parker (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3527), San Antonio, 459,718; Steve Nash (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3103), Phoenix, 345,948; Jason Kidd (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/2625), Dallas, 331,203; Rafer Alston (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3282), Houston, 282,767; Jason Terry (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3333), Dallas, 265,521; Brandon Roy (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4134), Portland, 210,755; Chauncey Billups (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3174), Denver, 205,554.
CENTERS: Yao Ming, Houston, 1,396,126; Shaquille O'Neal, Phoenix, 727,975; Andrew Bynum (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3936), L.A. Lakers, 294,381; Mehmet Okur (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3547), Utah, 256,902; Greg Oden (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4243), Portland, 162,299; Andris Biedrins (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3828), Golden State, 129,488; Tyson Chandler (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3512), New Orleans, 112,949; Al Jefferson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3832), Minnesota, 100,480; Nick Collison (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3715), Oklahoma City, 69,039; Marcus Camby (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3084), L.A. Clippers, 57,474; Chris Kaman (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3709), L.A. Clippers, 21,814.
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count55
01-08-2009, 08:28 PM
I agree if Yi doesn't get voted in (how close is he I have no idea really) then Granger probably makes it in as 12th man this year.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/01/08/010809allstarreturns/index.html

Too damn close

10 pts, 6 boards...what a farce.


Forwards
Player Votes
LeBron James (Clev) 1,940,162
Kevin Garnett (Bos) 1,375,814
Yi Jianlian (NJ) 1,216,348
Chris Bosh (Tor) 751,927
Paul Pierce (Bos) 486,656
Hedo Turkoglu (Orl) 366,174
Shawn Marion (Mia) 264,888
Danny Granger (Ind) 199,200
Josh Smith (Atl) 163,145
Michael Beasley (Mia) 157,286
Tayshaun Prince (Det) 144,337

MrSparko
01-08-2009, 08:31 PM
So I suppose the american thing to do is to vote for Marbury, KG, and Granger!

rexnom
01-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Hmm...I think Granger is the second best of all the forwards, especially with Boston falling off some. He should definitely make it as a reserve.

AesopRockOn
01-08-2009, 08:37 PM
That's a damn shame.

Trader Joe
01-08-2009, 09:02 PM
I can't believe Marion is ahead of Danny.

rexnom
01-08-2009, 09:08 PM
I don't want to bring up this old debate but I think that if the fans vote him in, Yi deserves to be at the all-star game. All-star starter voting isn't meritocratic, it's democratic. And with good reason, it's the fans' game. Regardless, a majority of the players gets picked by the coaches. And even if there are snubs, I don't think the all-star game is necessarily about giving recognition to players. It's about the fans seeing who they want to see play. At the end of the year, those truly deserving will get all-NBA honors (not restricted by Conference or injuries).

count55
01-08-2009, 09:11 PM
I don't want to bring up this old debate but I think that if the fans vote him in, Yi deserves to be at the all-star game. All-star starter voting isn't meritocratic, it's democratic. And with good reason, it's the fans' game. Regardless, a majority of the players gets picked by the coaches. And even if there are snubs, I don't think the all-star game is necessarily about giving recognition to players. It's about the fans seeing who they want to see play. At the end of the year, those truly deserving will get all-NBA honors (not restricted by Conference or injuries).

Which is one of the reasons I have little or no use for (any) All-Star games.

rexnom
01-08-2009, 09:14 PM
Which is one of the reasons I have little or no use for (any) All-Star games.
Yup. I enjoy it but I give all-star recognition little merit. I'm more excited about Danny's all-NBA prospects (if any). That means you are solidly in the top 15-20 players in the NBA. Reggie and JO had fewer such accolades.

MrSparko
01-08-2009, 09:20 PM
I'd love to see All-NBA teams go at it...

count55
01-08-2009, 09:23 PM
Yup. I enjoy it but I give all-star recognition little merit. I'm more excited about Danny's all-NBA prospects (if any). That means you are solidly in the top 15-20 players in the NBA. Reggie and JO had fewer such accolades.

I had made more or less the same comment within the last couple of weeks.

I don't like AS games because of the Yi issue (and I see it as an add'l chance to get hurt), but I think that Danny getting the nod from the coaches is an honor for Danny and brings positive recognition to the team.

However, I agree that if Danny can somehow make one of the All NBA teams, that would be a real accomplishment.

MrSparko
01-08-2009, 09:26 PM
Say Danny finishes 4th in scoring and Pacers finish a couple games under .500. Is there any chance he makes third team all NBA?

Hicks
01-08-2009, 09:35 PM
I had made more or less the same comment within the last couple of weeks.

I don't like AS games because of the Yi issue (and I see it as an add'l chance to get hurt), but I think that Danny getting the nod from the coaches is an honor for Danny and brings positive recognition to the team.

However, I agree that if Danny can somehow make one of the All NBA teams, that would be a real accomplishment.

I liked Clark Kellogg's suggestion of expanding the rosters to 15 spots to be able to recognize more players who deserve to be, whether they actually play during the game or not.

Haggard
01-08-2009, 09:40 PM
I'd be surprised if he didn't make the reserves.. He's been fantastic this season.

Major Cold
01-08-2009, 09:49 PM
I just think that Hedo will be picked ahead of Danny. Danny deserves it more. But I think because of Orlando's record, Hedo is sexier.

BlueNGold
01-08-2009, 10:19 PM
Granger will make an all-star team, but I doubt he gets there this year. If only the coaches were voting, he would be a lock for at least reserve.

MiaDragon
01-08-2009, 11:59 PM
Which is one of the reasons I have little or no use for (any) All-Star games.

MLB has it right, the game counts, they play hard I love it!

Haggard
01-09-2009, 12:21 AM
Granger will make an all-star team, but I doubt he gets there this year. If only the coaches were voting, he would be a lock for at least reserve.

am I misguided but I thought the coaches picked the bench?

Dece
01-09-2009, 02:36 AM
I just think our record is too bad for us to get an all-star.

Infinite MAN_force
01-09-2009, 02:51 AM
I just think that Hedo will be picked ahead of Danny. Danny deserves it more. But I think because of Orlando's record, Hedo is sexier.

I checked and Hedos stats are fairly underwhelming.. like 16 points per game on sub 40% shooting. Hell Rashard Lewis has better numbers, I wonder why Hedo is on the ballot and not Lewis.

Statistically Granger blows the two of them out of the water. Even if we have a losing record, his stats are going to be hard to ignore and there is not a lot of legit competition after Lebron/Bosh/Garnett/Pierce. Seems like he should be a coaches pick. Unless Rashard gets the nod because of Orlandos record, hell danny's numbers last season are better than Lewis this year. 19/6 on 43% shooting.

xtacy
01-09-2009, 06:20 AM
will he make? no.

should he make? hell yeah.

rexnom
01-09-2009, 06:43 AM
One thing working for Danny is that coaches are probably his biggest fans. They're the ones praising him after he torches whatever team they are coaching. Also, these coaches have to go into each match-up with the Pacers and plan for one guy and one guy only and they know this. I think the fact that coaches rather than the press are voting is going to help him. If he keeps this up and we stay 8-10 under .500 then I think he still gets in, especially if Yi doesn't get voted in as a starter.

Quis
01-09-2009, 06:49 AM
Danny seems like a coach's dream - not only extremely productive but a hard working nice guy. I think the coaches will give him respect and name him to the team.

Major Cold
01-09-2009, 08:38 AM
I did not know Hedo's numbers were that bad. Huh maybe he will make the game.

Unclebuck
01-09-2009, 10:20 AM
I think he will make it. Sure the coaches like to only vote those players that play on winning teams, but in Danny's case, he's played sooooo well, he'll get voted on

naptownmenace
01-09-2009, 01:37 PM
I think he will make it. Sure the coaches like to only vote those players that play on winning teams, but in Danny's case, he's played sooooo well, he'll get voted on

Yeah it reminds me of Joe Johnson last year. The Hawks didn't have a good record at the time but the coaches still voted him to the team. However, this was his second All-Star game after being selected by David Stern to be a replacement for the injured Jason Kidd in 2007.

Still, I think Danny will make as the coaches have selected players from teams with subpar records before. Also, I think the Pacers record will have improved enough by the time the coaches vote that they'll recognize him as being worthy.

JayRedd
01-09-2009, 02:13 PM
I just think that Hedo will be picked ahead of Danny. Danny deserves it more. But I think because of Orlando's record, Hedo is sexier.

That's crazy talk.

There is literally 0% chance of Danny not making the All Star team. He could die tomorrow and still get the nod.

He's in. Definitely. 100%.


However, I agree that if Danny can somehow make one of the All NBA teams, that would be a real accomplishment.

It's a long season, but he would be very close (and probably 3rd Team) if they picked those teams today.

duke dynamite
01-09-2009, 02:17 PM
That's crazy talk.

There is literally 0% chance of Danny not making the All Star team. He could die tomorrow and still get the nod.

He's in. Definitely. 100%.



It's a long season, but he would be very close (and probably 3rd Team) if they picked those teams today.
I like hearing that, Redd.

Naptown_Seth
01-09-2009, 04:11 PM
Danny is benefiting from his consistency and some high profile wins, plus the heavy rotation in an NBA schedule that runs you out in front of every coach almost before AS break.

Who hasn't seen him and who hasn't struggled to stop him? That's how he makes it.

I mean speaking as a former LL coach I can tell you that sure you don't know every kid on every team perfectly. But if I see a kid tear into my team, and then you couple that with seeing him on the highlight reel doing it against another team a few nights later, I start to remember.

I think with the coaches it's that simple. They recognize the game as long as it's presented to them. If you have some up and down nights and your bigger nights are quiet/devoid of ESPN leader stories like upsetting Boston, LA or PHX then your numbers aren't going to get you on the team.


I'll tell you what, when you look at that list of forwards and realize that Danny is playing at their level, that's amazing. James, KG, Pierce, Bosh - those are franchise guys, not 2nd fiddles (even if 2 are from the same team :) ).

Unclebuck
01-09-2009, 05:15 PM
At this point, I would be shocked if DG didn't make it, in fact I'd be willing to bet........oops, I better not

Back in mid December I predicted that Danny wouldn't make it unless the pacers record got a lot better - but he's played so well the past 3 weeks - he'll make it.

I don't think it is even a qyestion mark at this point

Shade
01-09-2009, 05:31 PM
Danny will make it as long as Yi doesn't.

I'm hoping sanity will prevail and Yi will remain home for the ASG.

Hoop
01-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Danny should make it, but having watched the NBA for more years than I can remember there is a very good chance he won't make it.

Fan voting is usually sucks, the coaches pick to make up for fan mistakes, leaving out deserving players.

I hope I'm wrong, Danny really deserves it. He's playing at a higher level than very few Pacers have ever played at, IMO.

dohman
01-10-2009, 02:43 AM
Yi making it is just a joke. Just because everyone from china can only vote for him and yi doesn't mean he should be a ALL STAR.

The system is a joke.