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Peck
06-23-2004, 07:56 PM
just said the latest rumor that they have heard & that they beleive will happen is Al Harrington to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the 10th pick in the draft.

I'll go on record now & say that I hate this trade.

Not only are we giving up our 3rd best player for an unknown draft pick we are giving the Cavs. a great player to go along with their already becoming stacked team.

C- Big Z
Pf- Boozer (a great great player)
Sf- Al
Sg- LaBron
Pg- McGinnis

Is there not something else that could be done? Is there not another player we could have gotten? Isn't trading Al for a draft pick just a step backwards? How many years will this one take to develop.

I understand the need to trade Al, but I would much rather have a player that can step in & play right now. Not a couple of years from now.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:00 PM
Who would we get in addition to the #10? Ollie and Wagner still?

Young
06-23-2004, 08:01 PM
I agree with you Peck. I don't want Jackson, atleast not for Al.

rabid
06-23-2004, 08:01 PM
:puke:

That would be a horrible, horrible trade.

SURELY that won't happen.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:01 PM
We seem to be seeking a long-term solution at the 2. In other words, if we trade up to draft a SG, Bird considers that pick to be Reggie's successor.

PacersFan
06-23-2004, 08:02 PM
I don't like the deal either because I think we should at least get a player back. I also have a question, would the salaries work out?

bulletproof
06-23-2004, 08:02 PM
I'd be incredibly surprised and disappointed if that's the best we can do for Al.

MunciePacerBabe
06-23-2004, 08:03 PM
HATE IT!

dipperdunk
06-23-2004, 08:06 PM
I'm pretty sure if the Pacers offered Harrington to the 76ers you could get our #9 plus Snow and Salmons. You guys would be getting a good veteran point guard in Snow and a young talent in Salmons plus the 9th is better then the Cavs pick. It works salary wise. O'Brien wants to move AI to the point so the 76ers are looking to move Snow and Harrington,Thomas and Dalembert would give us a good young frontline.

ahhteeth
06-23-2004, 08:08 PM
If we could get Wagner and the #10 for Al i would do that in a heartbeat. Think about it: We trade a player from a position we are stacked deep at for not 1 BUT 2 players who give us more talent and depth than we have at the guard position.

I LOVE IT!! :pepper: :dance:

Hicks
06-23-2004, 08:09 PM
SURELY we're getting some players from the Cavs too. No way could it be ONLY the pick. That'd be pretty bad.

Young
06-23-2004, 08:09 PM
Maybe a multi team trade?

Jose Slaughter
06-23-2004, 08:12 PM
I'll have to disagree on this one. I think this works very well for us.

I know next to nothing about Jackson other than what I have read from draft reports.

Trading away Harrington will free up some of the log jam at the 3 & we get, from what I've read, one of, if not the best shooter in the draft.

Getting Jackson kills 2 birds with one Al.

We really need help at the 2 & even more important, we need someone to hit from the outside. Getting Jackson does this.

Booger
06-23-2004, 08:13 PM
Wouldn't this have to be contingent on whether the player management wants is even still on the board at #10?

Are the Cavs far enough under the cap that other players wouldn't be included in the deal?

Hicks
06-23-2004, 08:13 PM
Also, I thought in rumors I've read that we may get someone like Battie to balance the salary swap some.

Young
06-23-2004, 08:15 PM
How about asking the Cavs to just toss in Lebron James to make salarys match? ;) :devil: Just kidding.

bulletproof
06-23-2004, 08:16 PM
I'm pretty sure if the Pacers offered Harrington to the 76ers you could get our #9 plus Snow and Salmons.

And Donnie likes Snow.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:16 PM
Also, I thought in rumors I've read that we may get someone like Battie to balance the salary swap some.

Still blah. I want Wagner, dammit! :mad:

Booger
06-23-2004, 08:17 PM
If we get Battie and are able to select Jackson for Harrington . . . hmmm.


This Oregon kid better shoot lights-out!

PacersFan
06-23-2004, 08:17 PM
But it would really suck if Jackson is gone by the 10th pick. I saw him going 8th in some mock draft. We would probably draft the best player, but still have a problem at SG with our best trade bait (Harrington) gone. BTW, I don't want to trade Artest.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:18 PM
Wouldn't this have to be contingent on whether the player management wants is even still on the board at #10?

Are the Cavs far enough under the cap that other players wouldn't be included in the deal?

Well, I'd think they'd reach an agreement, but the Cavs would retain the pick and choose the Pacers' guy before an official trade went down. If the Pacers' guy gets picked, that would negate the trade.

Snickers
06-23-2004, 08:18 PM
I'm pretty sure there has to be a player coming to Indy in this deal. 1] because it doesn't work, salary-wise, without it, and 2] because Donnie Walsh is not an idiot.

I'd like Battie.

Young
06-23-2004, 08:18 PM
But it would really suck if Jackson is gone by the 10th pick. I saw him going 8th in some mock draft. We would probably draft the best player, but still have a problem at SG with our best trade bait (Harrington) gone. BTW, I don't want to trade Artest.

I sure hope he is gone by the time we pick, that way we have to do something else.

I really do not want LJ.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:19 PM
I'm pretty sure there has to be a player coming to Indy in this deal. 1] because it doesn't work, salary-wise, without it, and 2] because Donnie Walsh is not an idiot.

I'd like Battie.

Who could be included salary-wise from Cleveland to make this work?

We only need a SG and a C, so anything other than that is garbage to us.

Roaming Gnome
06-23-2004, 08:20 PM
I'm sure that we have players involved in the deal....and who is to say wTHR is even accurate?

Hicks
06-23-2004, 08:22 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Al makes 6,250,000.

From Cleveland:

Tony Battie makes 4,800,00
Kevin Ollie makes 2,704,350
Dajuan Wagner makes 2,643,600

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:27 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Al makes 6,250,000.

From Cleveland:

Tony Battie makes 4,800,00
Kevin Ollie makes 2,704,350
Dajuan Wagner makes 2,643,600

Do Ollie and Wagner even add up to enough with the pick to get Al?

Is Battie and Wagner a possiblity?

Snickers
06-23-2004, 08:31 PM
In case you're not entirely sick of rumours: http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Something about Pierce to Chicago.

Anyway, here's the $$ for Al and the Cavs we might be interested in taking in a deal:

Harrington: $6,250,000

Battie: $4,800,000
Ollie: $2,704,350
Wagner: $2,634,600

Salaries must match within 15% +/- $100,000

The salaries we take back for Al [picks don't count as $] must be between

$5,412,500 - $7,287,500

Battie + Ollie = $7,504,350 doesn't work
Battie + Wagner = $7,434600 doesn't work
Battie alone = $4,800,000 doesn't work

I'm not sure, but if it's that close, couldn't we just include some cash to make it work? :confused:

Jose Slaughter
06-23-2004, 08:32 PM
It would have to be a 2 player deal plus the pick from Cleveland.

There is no single player on the Cavs that is within the 15% + 100K of Harrington's deal.

We might have to add Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje $720,046 into the mix.

Snickers
06-23-2004, 08:32 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Al makes 6,250,000.

From Cleveland:

Tony Battie makes 4,800,00
Kevin Ollie makes 2,704,350
Dajuan Wagner makes 2,643,600

Dang you! Beat me to it. I blame Ron Artest. :mad:

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:34 PM
So, it looks like Wagner, Ollie, and the #10 for Al.

I'm not sure what to think of that right now. :shrug:

dipperdunk
06-23-2004, 08:35 PM
Guys I'm pretty sure Cleveland is under the salary cap so they could take on Harrington without giving back salary also they have a trade exception for losing Kapono in the expansion draft they could use in the deal. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?

Jose Slaughter
06-23-2004, 08:38 PM
We do to, with the deal from last summer & Brezec from yesterday.

Roaming Gnome
06-23-2004, 08:39 PM
God, I hope we didn't make a foolish deal! :fingerscrossed:

I was afraid someone would say, Cleveland is under the cap and could just absorb Harrington's salary.

Shade
06-23-2004, 08:40 PM
If that's the case, this trade = :unimpressed:

Pacer4fun
06-23-2004, 08:44 PM
Battie 4,800,000 (2 yrs left)
Wagner 2,643,600 (2 yrs left, the 2nd is a team option.)
= $7,443,600 which is close enough with the trade excemptions.

Ollie and Wagner do work cap wise at $5,338,950 which is within .15% and -100,000. This is to many guards unless wee can trade one.

able
06-23-2004, 08:55 PM
doesn't the pick count if the trade is made after the pick?
we would never do it before if the trade is meant to get that luke kid. so in that case his salary has to be included.

Will Galen
06-23-2004, 09:02 PM
doesn't the pick count if the trade is made after the pick?
we would never do it before if the trade is meant to get that luke kid. so in that case his salary has to be included.

Pick's salary's don't count until they are signed.

Doug in CO
06-23-2004, 09:03 PM
I hate this trade - we are being seduced by the P word... potential

It rarely works out

How long will we be rebuilding?

Snickers
06-23-2004, 09:04 PM
doesn't the pick count if the trade is made after the pick?
we would never do it before if the trade is meant to get that luke kid. so in that case his salary has to be included.

Only once he's signed, I think. Otherwise, you're just trading for the rights to said player, which if I'm not mistaken, don't count as salary.

But I just thought of something spectaculawesome! If we get Luke, we can call him Skywalker! Yay!! :dance: :dance:

:disturbed:

Grant
06-23-2004, 09:16 PM
Put me in the camp that doesn't like this.

We've traded veterans for potential before, but they were guys in their 30's on the way down (Davises).

Harrington is what, 25? The Pacers are thisclose to winning it all, and if they trade Harrington I prefer to get a player that can contribute like Harrington from a differenst spot on the floor (SG/C?).

I think the roster needs balance, but it doesn't need a piece of the foundation carved out and replaced with wet cement that may or may not dry.

Netweeny
06-23-2004, 09:34 PM
Okay, kinda back on topic......

I was listening to Cleveland sports radio tonight and they mentioned the trade rumor with the Pacers. The locals don't seem to be too hip about Al Harrington. They were actually leaning towards Bender instead!

They were also mentioning that the Miami Heat are trying to get their pick as well. Apparently the Heat are dangling Caron Butler for the 10 pick and want to grab Pavel with it.

Would you guys trade Bender for the 10 instead of Al?

Suaveness
06-23-2004, 09:34 PM
Well, I don't think Luke will be around by 10. Apparently Toronto likes him at 8.

Unclebuck
06-23-2004, 09:51 PM
Bird is in love with Jackson, Pacers are trying to get inot the top 10, the interestiung thing is the 5th and 7th pick have already been traded.

Hicks
06-23-2004, 09:53 PM
Well, I don't think Luke will be around by 10. Apparently Toronto likes him at 8.

Now Chicago has the #7 and wants him too.

This sucks.

Suaveness
06-23-2004, 09:54 PM
Well, I don't think Luke will be around by 10. Apparently Toronto likes him at 8.

Now Chicago has the #7 and wants him too.

This sucks.

Looks like 3 is our best shot.

ChicagoJ
06-23-2004, 09:56 PM
I hate agreeing with Kstat. But I usually do. I don't want any part of Wagner.

Suaveness
06-23-2004, 09:57 PM
Yeah i really don't like him. And it doesnt look like we will be trading with Cleveland anymore.

Snickers
06-23-2004, 09:57 PM
Hmm.... maybe all this was a ploy to get Luke to move up people's draft radars, so the guy we really want will be around longer....

Or something clever like that. :whoknows:

Hicks
06-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Here's a thought: What if we the idea was for Chicago to get #7, so they could do a trade for Al?

Maybe they felt Al for #3 and Pippen/AD/whatever was too much, but if they could get #7, get Al for #7 Pippen or AD or whatnot.

Suaveness
06-23-2004, 10:01 PM
Here's a thought: What if we the idea was for Chicago to get #7, so they could do a trade for Al?

Maybe they felt Al for #3 and Pippen/AD/whatever was too much, but if they could get #7, get Al for #7 Pippen or AD or whatnot.

If we do that, i GUARENTEE chicago takes Luke at 3. They really like him you know. So then THEY get luke AND Al, and we get nothing we like.

bulletproof
06-23-2004, 10:10 PM
Hmm.... maybe all this was a ploy to get Luke to move up people's draft radars, so the guy we really want will be around longer....

Or something clever like that. :whoknows:

An old Donnie Walsh trick. Hmm. Seems to be working if that was the intention.

Unclebuck
06-23-2004, 10:10 PM
Pacers won't trade a player for a draft pick until they are 100% sure the player they want in the draft I still available.

So we won't know until tomorrow night