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Unclebuck
06-23-2004, 11:45 AM
I was listening sort of to ESPN radio just a minute ago, and a guy from Indy called in and said he is sick and tired of waiting on High school players to live up to expectations. He mentioned Al and Jon as two classic examples. I don't want to talk about Jon right now.
But I do want to talk about AL

Has Al Harrington lived up to expectations.

Keep in mind he was the 25th player taken in the draft and I don't remember anyone suggesting he should have been taken any earlier.


I think some people assume that if a high school player is taken he is supposed to be a star player, well I contend that the draft is a crapshoot no matter if you are taking a college grad or a high school player. The success rate is about the same for either, some will excel some will be a bust.

AL has certainly met my expectations. He was the 3rd best player on a 61 win team this past season. Any player taken 25th in the draft that achieves that is certainly not a bust. In fact in many ways he has exceeded my expectations.

indygeezer
06-23-2004, 11:53 AM
He was exceeding expectations until his knee injury and the 40 point game.
He's let me down since then.

Hicks
06-23-2004, 11:55 AM
Kinda. He's a lot better than he could have been, especially for a 25th pick. But compared to all the hype of star potential and all of that, no.

Unclebuck
06-23-2004, 11:58 AM
But compared to all the hype of star potential and all of that, no.


Ok this is what I wanted to get to. Perhaps my memory is not what it used to be, but I don't remember anyone hyping his "star potential" Am I wrong? and if I am, when were these declarations made, before he was drafted, after his first season?

Hicks
06-23-2004, 12:00 PM
But compared to all the hype of star potential and all of that, no.


Ok this is what I wanted to get to. Perhaps my memory is not what it used to be, but I don't remember anyone hyping his "star potential" Am I wrong?

I don't remember where the hype started, but since the 2001 season I've heard it. I remember some execs raving about him, players, and occasional fans. It just kind of spread.

ChicagoJ
06-23-2004, 12:01 PM
He was exceeding expectations until his knee injury and the 40 point game.
He's let me down since then.

I think that's really true. Prior to the knee surgery, I was a huge fan. Slowly, since his return, my enthusiasm for him has dwindled because he has either plateaued (although as UB said, many guys taken in the 20's never plateau as the third-best player on a 61-win team so that's nothing to sneeze at) or been very inconsistent.

After the surgery, I can't blame him for wanting to find an opportunity to maximize his individual development. He realizes his career is short and he needs to maximize it.

PacerStud
06-23-2004, 12:03 PM
He was the 3rd best player on a 61 win team this past season.

There's the problem. He wants to be the #1 player on a team. I don't think his team concept is right. He's talented, but his head isn't on right.

Slick Pinkham
06-23-2004, 12:04 PM
He was a great 25th pick. Someone else can list the 25th pick from past drafts to compare, but I bet few if any have been as good.

There were some people, pre-injury, speculating that Al would be the best of the 3 HS players. Some of that was driven by the ravings of Slick Leonard and the positive press on how Antoinio Davis took the young-un into his home and was mentoring him.

LAPacer
06-23-2004, 12:56 PM
As a 25th pick he met his expectactions, but as a high school player with potential no. I remember when he was being groomed as our next defensive stopper, that didn't work out. I also remember Bird saying that Harrington looked really great in practice and at one moment said he was the best all around player on the team when Bird was coaching. But Harrington has been a big disappointment in the playoffs. I also don't like his "I am a superstar ego". I remember when Zeke told him to stop comparing himself to Jordan and more towards Darvin Ham, but that didn't stop Al's ego.

Arcadian
06-23-2004, 12:57 PM
Yes, I don't see how anyone could say that Harrington hasn't--Especially the expectations of a 25th pick.

If you say that those expectations have raised since the pick then at some point you raised your expectations because he had meet them.

Kegboy
06-23-2004, 04:29 PM
He was exceeding expectations until his knee injury and the 40 point game.
He's let me down since then.

Ditto.

As for hype when he came in the league, the name I remember coming up in comparisons was Scottie Pippen. And of course, that's back when Pippen was still very, very good. :unimpressed:

Natston
06-23-2004, 04:33 PM
Considering he was drafted before another HS player (Rashard Lewis) who has exceeded what Al has done*, I don't think he's lived up to expectations.





* I hate that type of argument btw...

fwpacerfan
06-23-2004, 04:35 PM
Al has been too inconsistent. He'll be great one game and non-existent the next.

MSA2CF
06-23-2004, 04:37 PM
Since 2000, I don't think I really have any individual expectations, other than, "he should play well this year" or "he's going to be better because he said he would." I hardly ever think about how good a guy can be & make him work to meet my standards. I don't really care about individual stuff like that; I'm more about the Pacers and how I expect them to be better as a whole and to win the NBA Finals. That's part of the reason I don't care what Reggie's PPG has been lately.