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Unclebuck
06-22-2004, 05:59 AM
I have read the part about the pacers 5 times and cannot figure out who was the other player who skipped the last meeting. Seems like it says that Al harrington did, but the sentence before that is apears that AL met with Donnie, but maybe he blew off the "other meeting" Confused

Appears McGrady never wanted to play for the Pacers. Because McGrady is a free agent after next season, the Pacers needed assurances that he would re-sign, and I think the deal cooled because T-Mac was not wanting to come here.


http://www.nypost.com/sports/23513.htm


TRACY A ROCKET MAN; CLIPPERS GUN FOR SHAQ







June 22, 2004 -- GUESSING games are hereby cancelled on several channels:

Come July 1, Tracy McGrady will be the newest Rocket Launcher to look off Yao Ming down low more times than not.

The Clippers have separated themselves from the NBA pack as the most ardent suitor for Shaquille O'Neal's slighted services.

And all that's standing between Rudy Tomjanovich from being hired as Lakers head coach is an interview with Kobe Bryant.

These are a few of my favorite things gleaned from sources very much in the know.

Steve Francis was named in the exchange program prophecy. In less than two weeks when Francis' base year salary status all but evaporates, he'll officially join the Magic along with Cutino Mobley and throw-in Bostjan Nachbar. Juwan Howard and Tyronn Lue will join McGrady in Houston. McGrady earns $13.3 million in '04-05, while Howard pockets $5.4M and Lue $1.65M. Francis is on the books for $12.3M, Mobley $5.88M and Nachbar $1.49M.

From what I'm told, McGrady only had eyes for the Rockets from the git-go. Phoenix interjected itself into the conversation early because it quickly offered to swap Shawn Marion.



The Pacers got consideration late from the Magic (but not McGrady, not really, despite a long, tight relationship with Jermaine O'Neal) when they proposed a deal involving Jeff Foster, Jonathan Bender and Al Harrington, who asked to be traded in his final meeting with CEO Donnie Walsh (no promises were made) regardless of whether Ron Artest is kept or dealt.

Both players blew off the team's last meeting and were fined 5G apiece; Artest has been dangled to the Grizzlies for Muncie, Indiana's Bonzi Wells and a No. 1 pick Memphis doesn't have but is trying to obtain. When the Rockets-Magic arrangement is completed it'll be the most important relocation of an NBA scoring star that doesn't implicate the Birmingham Barons.

Should Shaq shift to the Staples Center's other NBA tenants, my Paper Clips would instantly supplant the L.A. Kings as the second best basketball team in the building.

Do we dare imagine!

Several seasons ago, owner Donald Sterling preferred remaining coach-less during the summer simply to save salary. Now he's prepared to do whatever it takes, it appears, to acquire Shaq as well as extend his substantial salary several seasons in order to keep him beyond the next two.

An entrenched LA monitor reveals how much the Clips $3.8M under the $43.8M cap want to do business. Elton Brand ($10.96M), Corey Maggette ($7M), two of their three best players (Quentin Richardson is a restricted free agent) and Melvin Ely ($1.63M) are readily obtainable.

That shows they've got a serious thing for Shaq. But if they're dead serious about generating unprecedented overnight credibility, advertising revenue, season ticket holders and unearthly interest, as well as assembling a championship contender, it's probably going to cost them the fourth overall pick in the draft.

"I'm not entirely sure the Clips have to go that far to get the deal done," allowed the source. "As it stands, the Lakers seem genuinely tempted. They're eager to get something done. At the same time, should they decide to include their draft pick I'm confident the Lakers will accept without another thought."

In anticipation they may have to use the pick to square things with the Lakers or create additional cap space for Shaq, the Clips yanked their proposition (No. 2 for Nos. 6 & 17) off the Hawks' table.

(Naturally, O'Neal must agree to reenlist with the Clips before anything is consummated; they're not going to turn over that much talent to the Lakers on a one or two year rental and Shaq also must promise not to recruit Gary Payton.)

The Charlotte Bobcats, in return for taking Sterling off the hook for Predrag Drobnjak's 2-year obligation ($2.55M/$2.7M) swapped Nos. 4 and 33 for No. 2; Shaun Livingston, a 6-7 prep point guard, is the object of Mike Dunleavy's desire should the Lakers fail to squeeze the Clips for the equally prime real estate.

The Bobcats, who must pluck 14 players in today's expansion draft, also appear positioned to relieve the Suns of Jahidi White's $6.1M for a payment of $3M.

Last week, Shaq goofed at the prospects of a Laker-Clipper rivalry should Kobe decide he'd enjoy being a Staples Center stepchild. It was no secret Sterling had approved Bryant's summer romancing and had saved $10.2M worth of cap space in his honor. The possibility of such a twist of fate can't help but jolt even the most infertile minds.

A Shaq-Kobe feud in the same town would be anything but petty. The likely stiff competition between the two teams would be watered down compared to their trash talking. Laker loyalty would be ripped apart like never before and everybody would profit as a result.

As for Tomjanovich, Kobe can't find a more compatible, non-confrontational, coachable coach accomplished at instructing players to get the ball to their official scorer. The only way Rudy T. doesn't get the job is if he's beaten out by Kobe's au pair, Jim Gray.

Will Galen
06-22-2004, 06:28 AM
I have read the part about the pacers 5 times and cannot figure out who was the other player who skipped the last meeting. Seems like it says that Al harrington did, but the sentence before that is apears that AL met with Donnie, but maybe he blew off the "other meeting" Confused


The Star reported before that Al told Bird he would like to be traded, so it appears Al met with both Donnie and Bird.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/152524-4634-039.html
Bird has met individually with the players. Only Al Harrington expressed a desire to be moved if more playing time can't be found.

TheSauceMaster
06-22-2004, 06:40 AM
yep I don't think it was al , we know ROn for sure , could the other Guy been Bender ? Foster doesn't seem like he would do something like that .

Will Galen
06-22-2004, 06:47 AM
yep I don't think it was al , we know ROn for sure , could the other Guy been Bender ? Foster doesn't seem like he would do something like that .

Someone on here said it was probably Anderson because he knew he wasn't coming back.

I still think it was Anderson. Remember it's Vescey we are talking about. He's been known to get things wrong before.

He didn't right the clearest column this time either. The Laker's, Clips, Charlotte stuff got confusing too.

Peck
06-22-2004, 07:02 AM
Artest for Bonzi & a draft pick?

That's the best we can do?????

That draft pick better be a high lottery pick & I'm still not happy with that.

This is what is going to suck about the McGrady trade falling through. There is now really no trade other than maybe Pierce from Boston that I would think is even in the same realm of Ron that is available.

Besides, aren't we just trading one problem for another with Ron & Bonzi?

Several years ago I would have loved to have Bonzi but he seems ruderless right now. Maybe coming home would help, but then again maybe it wouldn't.

I'll say this though, if this trade goes down it is because Bird/Walsh have totally given up on Ron because this is not a fair trade at all.

Late edit. This trade does not work because of salary's. We would have to add somebody else. So if this went down there would have to be a multiplayer swap go down.

TheSauceMaster
06-22-2004, 07:05 AM
Bonzi Wells doesn't excite me and I would rather keep Ron if that's the best we can do.

Roaming Gnome
06-22-2004, 07:21 AM
Bonzi Wells, or anything from Memphis for Artest:
:pissed: :bs: :puke:

wintermute
06-22-2004, 07:24 AM
well, one other name i would consider for ron is peja stojakovic, but that's about it. artest for bonzi and high pick sounds far fetched; if they're willing to let artest go for so little then why not offer him for mcgrady as well? if vecsey is to be believed, pacers only offered al, bender, and foster after all.

TheSauceMaster
06-22-2004, 07:25 AM
I won't go that Far Gnome , I would Take Pau Gasol ;)

ABADays
06-22-2004, 08:00 AM
Former Ball Stater here - I don't want Bonzi Wells!

Will Galen
06-22-2004, 08:27 AM
Artest has been dangled to the Grizzlies for Muncie, Indiana's Bonzi Wells and a No. 1 pick Memphis doesn't have but is trying to obtain.

After reading the NY Times article about Harrington for Cleveland's #10 pick. The Chicago Tribune's article about Harrington & #29 for the 3rd pick, and now this article. It seems to me we are trying hard to move up in the draft.

So I don't think Bonzi is all we want.

GEL
06-22-2004, 09:21 AM
The mere thought of facing Artest next season is enough to give me nightmares. He is a guy I want on my team, head case or not. Because I certainly don't want him on anyone else's team!

Kind of a 'rock and hard place' type situation.


:(

bulletproof
06-22-2004, 09:56 AM
All this talk about trading Al to move up in the draft...hmm, I wonder...could the Pacers be looking to dump salary like they were looking to do at the beginning of the season, but didn't?

Aw Heck
06-22-2004, 09:59 AM
All this talk about trading Al to move up in the draft...hmm, I wonder...could the Pacers be looking to dump salary like they were looking to do at the beginning of the season, but didn't?

Hmm...never thought about that. Maybe they'll use the additional room to sign a FA...like Blount or :gulp: Dampier.

Shade
06-22-2004, 11:40 AM
If the Ron for Bonzi deal happens, I'm going to be supremely pissed off.

Suaveness
06-22-2004, 11:41 AM
If the Ron for Bonzi deal happens, I'm going to be supremely pissed off.

There are VERY few people worth trading Ron for in this league. VERY few. And Bonzi is not one of them.

Snickers
06-22-2004, 11:43 AM
If the Ron for Bonzi deal happens, I'm going to be supremely pissed off.

There are VERY few people worth trading Ron for in this league. VERY few. And Bonzi is not one of them.

I don't think I'd trade Al for Bonzi either. I might not even trade Primoz for Bonzi. Actually, I just kinda don't want Bonzi at all. :whoknows:

Suaveness
06-22-2004, 11:44 AM
If the Ron for Bonzi deal happens, I'm going to be supremely pissed off.

There are VERY few people worth trading Ron for in this league. VERY few. And Bonzi is not one of them.

I don't think I'd trade Al for Bonzi either. I might not even trade Primoz for Bonzi. Actually, I just kinda don't want Bonzi at all. :whoknows:

I wouldn't mind him. Then we could trade him again. :devil:

ChicagoJ
06-22-2004, 11:45 AM
I'd rather have AJ than Bonzi. :o

Will Galen
06-22-2004, 11:46 AM
All this talk about trading Al to move up in the draft...hmm, I wonder...could the Pacers be looking to dump salary like they were looking to do at the beginning of the season, but didn't?

Hmm...never thought about that. Maybe they'll use the additional room to sign a FA...like Blount or :gulp: Dampier.

There would be no additional room because they would still be over the cap. Dumping salary would make it more likely that they would offer the mid level though.

Suaveness
06-22-2004, 11:49 AM
I'd rather have AJ than Bonzi. :0

True true. Though AJ did a superb job in the playoffs.

Unclebuck
06-22-2004, 11:54 AM
Bonzi is not much of an outside shooter, he is best in post ups, and mid range, one-on-one, not midrange like Rip

ChicagoJ
06-22-2004, 12:12 PM
I'd rather have AJ than Bonzi. :0

True true. Though AJ did a superb job in the playoffs.

adj 1: of surpassing excellence; "a brilliant performance"; "a superb actor" [syn] 2: surpassingly good; "a superb meal"

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=superb

We may need to send you to 'adjective school'. :cool: Surpassing excellence? AJ?

wow.

Hicks
06-22-2004, 12:17 PM
Former Ball Stater here - I don't want Bonzi Wells!

Current Ball Stater here - I'm not sure I do either.

Hicks
06-22-2004, 12:18 PM
All this talk about trading Al to move up in the draft...hmm, I wonder...could the Pacers be looking to dump salary like they were looking to do at the beginning of the season, but didn't?

Unless it's a very high pick, if we don't get at least one player for him, I'm gonna be pissed.

wintermute
06-23-2004, 06:52 AM
All this talk about trading Al to move up in the draft...hmm, I wonder...could the Pacers be looking to dump salary like they were looking to do at the beginning of the season, but didn't?

Unless it's a very high pick, if we don't get at least one player for him, I'm gonna be pissed.

if dumping salary allows us to use the mid level, and if there's free agent interest in us, it might be worth it

indygeezer
06-23-2004, 07:01 AM
Why do I get the feeling we have yet to hear the real deal?

Hicks
06-23-2004, 01:03 PM
Why do I get the feeling we have yet to hear the real deal?

I'm starting to feel that way too.

Young
06-23-2004, 01:54 PM
Why do I get the feeling we have yet to hear the real deal?

Because their are so many rumors and they always change by the day.

I heard:

- Artest/Bender/Harrington/Tinsley.
- Bender/Harrington.
- Artest/Bender/Jones.
- Artest/Bender/Foster.
- Artest/Harrington.

Gives me a headache.

Hoop
06-23-2004, 02:03 PM
NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi NO Bonzi

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