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Roaming Gnome
12-03-2008, 01:41 AM
http://www.wnba.com/news/comets_081202.html
HOUSTON AND NEW YORK, Dec. 2, 2008 – The Houston Comets will suspend operations for the 2009 season it was announced today by WNBA President Donna Orender. A WNBA Dispersal Draft involving Comets players will take place on Monday, Dec. 8.

“Multiple investors have come forward and expressed significant interest in purchasing the Comets and having them continue to play in Houston in 2009,” said Orender. “However, we made the judgment that we would not be able to complete a transaction with the right ownership group in time for the 2009 season. The WNBA is extremely grateful to the Comets organization, to the city of Houston and to the team’s loyal fans for helping build both the WNBA and the game of women’s basketball.”

Having concluded its 12th season in 2008 with increases in attendance, ratings, Web traffic, sponsorships and merchandise sales, the WNBA will play the 2009 season with 13 teams. The 2009 season also marks the first year of the WNBA’s new, eight-year television agreement with ESPN under which the league will receive a rights fee, a first for a women’s professional team sports league in the U.S.

Comets season ticket holders will be notified in the near future of a procedure for refunds.

Current Comets players, with the exception of unrestricted free agents Latasha Byears, Mwadi Mabika, Hamchetou Maiga-Ba, Michelle Snow and Tina Thompson, are eligible to be selected in the Dispersal Draft. The order of selection, based on the inverse order of 2008 regular season finish will be as follows:

1) Atlanta
2) Washington
3) Chicago
4) Minnesota
5) Phoenix
6) Indiana
7) Sacramento
8) New York
9) Los Angeles
10) Connecticut
11) Detroit
12) Seattle
13) San Antonio

grace
12-03-2008, 06:42 PM
I was going to say maybe we could draft their coach, but I've never heard of her.

Roaming Gnome
12-03-2008, 08:36 PM
I was going to say maybe we could draft their coach, but I've never heard of her.

Still probably a better coach then Dunn. Judging from last year... it doesn't take much to be a better coach.

Grace, submit your resume. I'll even give you a whistle to start with.

grace
12-03-2008, 08:43 PM
I don't want to be coach. I want to be GM. Then I'd give Carolyn Peck Larry Bird's salary to get her to come be the coach.

Shade
12-04-2008, 07:01 PM
Huh, didn't see that one coming.

Who is Houston's sixth best player, and would she be worth picking up? Hell, can she coach at all? :innocent:

grace
12-05-2008, 12:48 PM
Anyone of that team that's worth a damn is too damn old. If Tina Thomspson is anything like Cynthia Cooper she would absolutely HATE coaching.

Raoul Duke
12-05-2008, 03:57 PM
When do the rest of them fold?

NuffSaid
12-06-2008, 01:32 PM
I did NOT see this coming. One of the WNBA's most successful teams is packing up and calling it quits. DANG!!!

There's a lot of history with this team:

- 4 WNBA championships
- 3 of the best female basketball players to ever lace them up, Cynthia Cooper, Sheryl Swoopes and Tina Thompson

I'd say this WNBA team more than any other team to date is who put the WNBA on the map. Of course, the rivalries between them, the LA Sparks and the NY Liberty, coupled with the rise and toughness of the Detroit Shock have all had a big hand it the league's success, but none like the Comets. It's a shame to see them go. While I'm not the biggest WNBA fan around (my wife laughes and teases me claiming I watch the games for "other" reasons - can't a guy like women's basketball just as he does the men's), I think local Fever fans should consider yourselves lucky you still have the team there.

Big surprise...can't believe the Comets are folding.

duke dynamite
12-08-2008, 04:59 PM
I did NOT see this coming. One of the WNBA's most successful teams is packing up and calling it quits. DANG!!!

There's a lot of history with this team:

- 4 WNBA championships
- 3 of the best female basketball players to ever lace them up, Cynthia Cooper, Sheryl Swoopes and Tina Thompson

I'd say this WNBA team more than any other team to date is who put the WNBA on the map. Of course, the rivalries between them, the LA Sparks and the NY Liberty, coupled with the rise and toughness of the Detroit Shock have all had a big hand it the league's success, but none like the Comets. It's a shame to see them go. While I'm not the biggest WNBA fan around (my wife laughes and teases me claiming I watch the games for "other" reasons - can't a guy like women's basketball just as he does the men's), I think local Fever fans should consider yourselves lucky you still have the team there.

Big surprise...can't believe the Comets are folding.
My thoughts exactly.

BTW, we picked up Guard Erika White.

NuffSaid
12-09-2008, 12:47 PM
My thoughts exactly.

BTW, we picked up Guard Erika White.
That's good! If Tuli stays, Erika will be a very good backup. That's something I thought was lacking w/this Fever last year.

Ownagedood
12-09-2008, 07:07 PM
Erika white sounds familiar.. So she must have some skill, because I don't really follow girls NCAA ball.. I know she played at LSU, a dominant girls team.. So that's a good sign.

Roaming Gnome
12-09-2008, 09:17 PM
When do the rest of them fold?

Do this again and your not going to like how I respond to this. Do not insult those that are fans of this team or league. If you don't have anything constructive to say here...your better off not saying anything in this forum.


You've all been warned!!!

Anthem
12-09-2008, 11:49 PM
Do this again and your not going to like how I respond to this. Do not insult those that are fans of this team or league. If you don't have anything constructive to say here...your better off not saying anything in this forum.
I thought the question was legit. If a successful team in a big city closes its doors (not moves, but closes the doors), then how viable is the league as a whole? Are they making money yet? They're sure not expanding... what's the story?

grace
12-10-2008, 12:47 AM
I thought the question was legit. If a successful team in a big city closes its doors (not moves, but closes the doors), then how viable is the league as a whole? Are they making money yet? They're sure not expanding... what's the story?

They've added a new team each of the last two years. I'm not saying it was smart, but they did it. Are they making money? Probably not, but then neither are the Pacers.

As for Gnome's warning I happen to agree with him. It struck me as trolling.

Roaming Gnome
12-10-2008, 07:35 PM
I thought the question was legit. If a successful team in a big city closes its doors (not moves, but closes the doors), then how viable is the league as a whole? Are they making money yet? They're sure not expanding... what's the story?

In the right context....Sure, it's a legit question. A very good one!

In the case of, "when do they all fold?".... I made a judgment that Raoul Duke was trolling the thread. These sarcastic jabs at the WNBA are not appreciated on this part of Pacers Digest. I will not tolerate them here.

cramerica
12-20-2008, 04:12 PM
I hate seeing this. The WNBA started the same year I joined the AF in '97 and I remember watching the Comets win the championship when I was in tech school. Kind of one of those things that has been with me through these years.

Anyways, I hate seeing teams fold/move (unless it's a move to Indy :)). I hated watching the Sonics move and I couldn't imagine any team in the NBA folding. I know it's all about money but it still sucks.

SamBear
12-21-2008, 07:08 AM
This is the first I'm hearing about this... that is sad to hear.

Big Smooth
12-27-2008, 01:16 AM
In the right context....Sure, it's a legit question. A very good one!

In the case of, "when do they all fold?".... I made a judgment that Raoul Duke was trolling the thread. These sarcastic jabs at the WNBA are not appreciated on this part of Pacers Digest. I will not tolerate them here.

Hasn't Stern been keeping the WNBA on life support for a while now? Maybe I'm mistaken but my impression has been without Stern's influence this league would have been dead long before now.

That and with the economy being what it is.......heck the Arena Football League might be dead.......at the very least not operating for the coming season. Just doesn't seem like a good time for any of the niche leagues right now.

Roaming Gnome
12-28-2008, 04:19 AM
When the WNBA first started, it was owned and operated by the NBA and the parent teams of the franchises. In 2002 Rich Uncle David Stern cut the funding to the league. With this being done, many teams that were owned by parent NBA clubs sold off their WNBA franchises to local independent ownership. The ownership structure of the league changed from that point. The NBA has been offering help in on-site support, ticket sales, sponsorship sales, and marketing, but not in areas of cold hard cash.

Yes, Sterns influence has probably done a lot to keep the league afloat by getting the right people investing in the concept of the WNBA. He's given the WNBA enough legitimacy to continue to breathe life into the league, but I don't think it goes as deep as keeping the books in the black.

As for the economy and "niche" leagues, you're probably right, the business climate could down right freeze this league to it's very core. As for the Fever, I believe PS&E does value the ability to cross-promote the fever and uses it as a way to attach itself to the community. I don't see anyone owning the team locally other then PS&E. With the limited number of quality venues in the area, I don't see another ownership group wanting to pay the lease that PS&E would demand. Most WNBA teams are moving into smaller venues in a move to cut operating cost, I just don't see that place here in Indy where an independent owner would feel like he can make money with the Fever. The IUPUI Gymnasium is too small, Butler or The Pepsi Coliseum at the fairgrounds is not a prime venue due to location, and high school venues lose any legitimacy in the product being major league.

grace
12-28-2008, 09:03 AM
Seems to me before last season the Simons were strongly hinting that if attendance wasn't better they were getting out of the WNBA. I'm assuming we haven't heard any more about it because Houston disbanded. However, if things aren't better this year (I don't expect they will be) it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they try to unload the team.

Raoul Duke
01-03-2009, 08:20 PM
In the right context....Sure, it's a legit question. A very good one!

In the case of, "when do they all fold?".... I made a judgment that Raoul Duke was trolling the thread. These sarcastic jabs at the WNBA are not appreciated on this part of Pacers Digest. I will not tolerate them here.

Well you judged wrong buddy. God you guys are so sensitive on here.

Roaming Gnome
01-04-2009, 08:30 PM
Well you judged wrong buddy. God you guys are so sensitive on here.

Could of fooled me? It's not like you stuck around to have a discussion. As for the sensitive part. Damn strait, we have to be to keep the site respectable!

croz24
01-06-2009, 11:37 PM
why is there an indiana fever message board?

Roaming Gnome
01-07-2009, 01:05 AM
why is there an indiana fever message board?

To have a place to discuss the Fever. Do you have a problem with that?

croz24
01-07-2009, 11:39 PM
To have a place to discuss the Fever. Do you have a problem with that?

then where's the indianapolis indians message board? they draw more than the fever, and i'd say are more of a professional team than the fever.

Roaming Gnome
01-08-2009, 01:36 AM
then where's the indianapolis indians message board? they draw more than the fever, and i'd say are more of a professional team than the fever.

No one expects us to accomodate a minor league baseball team with a discussion board.

This Fever board does have a decent following when they are "in season". I don't think the same would apply for an Indians forum here on PD. As far as the draw...what does that have to do with this board?

croz24
01-08-2009, 03:25 AM
meaning there is more support in this area for the indians than there is for the fever. i can understand there being a fever message board with this being predominantly a basketball website, but there is a colts board. i assume there's a colts board due to the amount of support in this area for the colts. so why shouldn't we have a baseball/indians message board as well? i think it'd be a good idea. shoot, the indians actually almost averaged the same attendance last year as the pacers did.

Roaming Gnome
01-08-2009, 03:49 AM
meaning there is more support in this area for the indians than there is for the fever. i can understand there being a fever message board with this being predominantly a basketball website, but there is a colts board. i assume there's a colts board due to the amount of support in this area for the colts. so why shouldn't we have a baseball/indians message board as well? i think it'd be a good idea. shoot, the indians actually almost averaged the same attendance last year as the pacers did.


As for your point about the Indians outdrawing the Fever being a reason for them to have "superiority" in coverage. The Indianapolis Star disagrees with you. The Star doesn't feel the Indians are worth covering, let alone employ a beat writer to even follow the team. They are covered in a similar fashion as the Indiana Ice Hockey team. They occasionally have stories on the July 4th game because of the turnout. They'll also cover a few games during the season, but they are not covered on a daily basis like the Fever. Another reason that there isn't much interest in the Indians as far as coverage goes... They're a minor league team. Hate the Fever or not, whether they draw flies or not.... The WNBA is considered "major league" in the US and will be covered as such in this market. Other then the huge following, the Colts are "major" league and have enough folks that wanted their own board... Therefore, that would probably be the reason the Colts board exist on PD.

croz24
01-08-2009, 04:04 AM
minor league team? lol i could find a team at the local ymca that would defeat the fever.

believe it or not but two of the top prospects in all of baseball play for our indians in steven pearce and andrew mccutchen. mccutchen is actually thought of as a top 5-10 prospect in baseball and labeled as a young carl crawford/barry bonds type player.

but speaking about women's basketball, did you know that no college sport loses more money for their schools (on average) than women's college basketball? there's a reason for that. because in women's college basketball, when the teams are able to defeat the men's practice squads they compete against, they label that as the highlight of their season.

Roaming Gnome
01-08-2009, 04:22 AM
minor league team? lol i could find a team at the local ymca that would defeat the fever.

believe it or not but two of the top prospects in all of baseball play for our indians in steven pearce and andrew mccutchen. mccutchen is actually thought of as a top 5-10 prospect in baseball and labeled as a young carl crawford/barry bonds type player.

but speaking about women's basketball, did you know that no college sport loses more money for their schools (on average) than women's college basketball? there's a reason for that. because in women's college basketball, when the teams are able to defeat the men's practice squads they compete against, they label that as the highlight of their season.

Judging from your comments and tone, it's pretty evident to me that you don't like women's basketball. That's fine. If your point is wanting to bring awareness about the Indians baseball club, I think you are in the wrong place. You are better off stating this in the Club Rio section of PD.

As for you backhanded jabs at women's basketball in general... There is no need for you to be in this forum. Find somewhere else to troll!

croz24
01-08-2009, 05:52 AM
believe it or not, i actually know quite a bit about the fever, i do follow them, and am very frustrated that they can never seem to get over the hump in the playoffs. i just found it odd that we have a message board dedicated to them on here, as well as the colts, but no other sports teams or general sports discussion.

as for the comets, it doesn't surprise me that wnba franchises continue to fold, but it is sad for the sport of women's basketball that a team with such tradition and relevance is now gone. sheryl swoopes (personal life aside) and cynthia cooper were two of my favorite wnba players. was not a big fan of tina thompson however. as for the wnba in whole, nothing was more entertaining than watching cheryl miller on the sidelines of phoenix mercury games.

Shade
01-08-2009, 12:41 PM
meaning there is more support in this area for the indians than there is for the fever. i can understand there being a fever message board with this being predominantly a basketball website, but there is a colts board. i assume there's a colts board due to the amount of support in this area for the colts. so why shouldn't we have a baseball/indians message board as well? i think it'd be a good idea. shoot, the indians actually almost averaged the same attendance last year as the pacers did.

There is more support for IU basketball than the Indians or Fever, but there's no message board for it, due to it being college rather than pro. And before now, I don't think I've ever seen anyone on PD attempt to discuss the Indians.

I fully back Gnome on this. That "when do they all fold?" comment reeked of trolling.

croz24
01-08-2009, 02:36 PM
There is more support for IU basketball than the Indians or Fever, but there's no message board for it, due to it being college rather than pro. And before now, I don't think I've ever seen anyone on PD attempt to discuss the Indians.

I fully back Gnome on this. That "when do they all fold?" comment reeked of trolling.

there are plenty of place to talk iu hoops an you know this. i've been a member of peegs since 03/04. honestly though, are you surprised wnba teams are folding? it's just a fact that most wnba teams do not make money. not sure why it's a crime to acknowledge that. the fever themselves need to find a way to attract more fans because 6,000 fans/night just won't cut it, and they will suffer the same fate as the comets imo. conseco fieldhouse is generally empty for fever games. that needs to change.

Shade
01-08-2009, 02:57 PM
there are plenty of place to talk iu hoops an you know this. i've been a member of peegs since 03/04. honestly though, are you surprised wnba teams are folding? it's just a fact that most wnba teams do not make money. not sure why it's a crime to acknowledge that. the fever themselves need to find a way to attract more fans because 6,000 fans/night just won't cut it, and they will suffer the same fate as the comets imo. conseco fieldhouse is generally empty for fever games. that needs to change.

IU basketball has a single thread devoted to it here. When did we start talking about other sites?

I really don't see what you're getting at here. Why do you give a damn whether this board exists or not? It's not your site, and it's not your bandwidth. Coming in here simply to blast Fever fans for, well, liking the Fever, is trolling. It really makes you no better than the Pats fans who run amok at RATS.

Women's basketball will probably never be as popular as men's basketball. That's just the way it is; more men are interested in sports than women, and it's harder for men to live out their sports dreams vicariously through members of the opposite sex.

I think the main surprise is not that a WNBA team folded, but that one of Houston's calber called it quits.

croz24
01-08-2009, 03:02 PM
what i'm getting at is the topic of this thread...discussing the reality of the wnba and if franchise like houston can go down, then no team is safe. i'm not sure what you're getting at by calling me out for discussing the point of the thread...

Shade
01-08-2009, 03:26 PM
what i'm getting at is the topic of this thread...discussing the reality of the wnba and if franchise like houston can go down, then no team is safe. i'm not sure what you're getting at by calling me out for discussing the point of the thread...

Last I checked, this:


why is there an indiana fever message board?

was not the topic of the thread.

croz24
01-08-2009, 03:58 PM
Last I checked, this:



was not the topic of the thread.

only other place i've seen a fever message board was on indystar. i was curious as to why we had one here as well as a colts board, but fail to have a board on other professional/college teams locally. where else should i ask such a question?

Roaming Gnome
01-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Bye croz24. If you want to continue this conversation on why there isn't a _______ board on PD, you need to start it in the Club Rio forum, not here!

Shade
01-09-2009, 11:28 AM
only other place i've seen a fever message board was on indystar. i was curious as to why we had one here as well as a colts board, but fail to have a board on other professional/college teams locally. where else should i ask such a question?

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. In fact, that's what the feedback forum is for.

Anyway, Gnome adequately answered your question, methinks. The pro sports teams have forums; minor league and college teams do not. One reason being that there are too many minor league/college teams in Indiana for them each to have their own forum (Indians, Mad Ants, Ice, Hoosiers, Boilermakers, Fighting Irish, Cardinals, Sycamores, Jaguars, etc.).

If the Fever fold, so will their forum.

ABADays
01-10-2009, 02:39 PM
You find it odd that a women's pro basketball team in included on a pro basketball message board? That's odd.

I have followed the Indians as lond as I have been alive. One thing to keep in mind, the players are not ours and, with a few exceptions, they never will be.

duke dynamite
02-24-2009, 11:52 AM
Sooo...that is a shame that Houston is folding...

Shade
02-24-2009, 12:06 PM
You find it odd that a women's pro basketball team in included on a pro basketball message board? That's odd.

I have followed the Indians as lond as I have been alive. One thing to keep in mind, the players are not ours and, with a few exceptions, they never will be.

Razor Shines was the man.

Roaming Gnome
02-24-2009, 03:11 PM
I wonder how the economy is going to effect the league as a whole? It can't be good or healthy considering now is the time they are looking to finish up sales for STH's.

duke dynamite
02-24-2009, 04:24 PM
I wonder how the economy is going to effect the league as a whole? It can't be good or healthy considering now is the time they are looking to finish up sales for STH's.
I was actually contemplating getting a package for the Fever this summer.

I hope that helps.

Roaming Gnome
02-25-2009, 05:33 PM
I have enough "unused" Pacer tickets from my wife not going to games to be able to go to most, if not all the Fever games this year. I just hope they run that promotion again this year.

Hicks
02-25-2009, 05:43 PM
I may use my unused tickets for that if I'm bored and feeling curious. I was surprised at just how uninterested I was that time we both went to a game last summer.

duke dynamite
02-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Yeah, having Dunn as a coach really makes me wonder if this team will be any better this year.

We have some good parts.