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SoupIsGood
06-21-2004, 09:14 PM
I was wondering how much effectivness you guys think would be lost if JO and Artest played out of position next season, to where our starters are like this-

Pg- Tinsley
Sg- Artest
Sf- Bender (Or chroshere or jj for the bender haters)
Pf- Harrington
C- O Neal

I know both have played those positions for short spans of time b4, I was wondering how effective you think they were/will be?

Kstat
06-21-2004, 09:17 PM
Artest would be affected the most. His game is perfectly suited to play SF, but not as much at SG.

As for JO, his major concern would be injuries from taking poundings from bigger players every night. Foster took a LOAD of physical wear-and-tear away from JO this past year.

I dont think Bender handles the ball or passes well enough to play SF. He needs to play PF where his responsiblities will be more cut-and-dry.

ChicagoJ
06-21-2004, 10:17 PM
JO already is our center and usually defends the opponents biggest player. JO stopped playing 'goalie' on defense about two seasons ago. Al is too small to play PF next to JO for extended minutes, thus Jeff starts at PF.

beast23
06-21-2004, 10:54 PM
Artest would be affected the most. His game is perfectly suited to play SF, but not as much at SG.

As for JO, his major concern would be injuries from taking poundings from bigger players every night. Foster took a LOAD of physical wear-and-tear away from JO this past year.

I dont think Bender handles the ball or passes well enough to play SF. He needs to play PF where his responsiblities will be more cut-and-dry.I agree with your assessment of JO and Artest.

If we have to shift guys to different positions, I would more likely favor a lineup that would put Al at PF rather than SF. He has a good balance between strength and quickness that at times gives him advantages offensively against opposing PFs. And he guards PFs better than SFs.

I agree that Bender does not yet handle the ball well enough to effectively play SF, but SF is his natural position. I don't think Bender has the strength nor the weight to gain or hold position against opposing PFs.

If a lineup with Artest at SG, Al at PF and JO at C played out, Bender would probably be given an opportunity at SF. But don't be surprised if Bender were not quickly exchanged in favor of Croshere.... and that just wouldn't work. So, I just don't think your suggested lineup would work for very long if the strengths of the other players could not effectively cover up the weaknesses of Bender.

Anthem
06-22-2004, 12:09 AM
KStat, we've been back and forth on this several times, but allow me to state once again that Ron can handle any shooting guard in the league... the only ones he'd have trouble with are Allen Iverson and Rip Hamilton. And both of those guys would have an even worse time guarding Ron.

The biggest problem with the lineup posted above, IMO, is the dearth of outside shooting. I want a shooter!

Kstat
06-22-2004, 12:13 AM
KStat, we've been back and forth on this several times, but allow me to state once again that Ron can handle any shooting guard in the league... the only ones he'd have trouble with are Allen Iverson and Rip Hamilton. And both of those guys would have an even worse time guarding Ron.

The biggest problem with the lineup posted above, IMO, is the dearth of outside shooting. I want a shooter!

He'd have the same problems handling Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Allan Houston, etc.

Anthem
06-22-2004, 12:24 AM
KStat, we've been back and forth on this several times, but allow me to state once again that Ron can handle any shooting guard in the league... the only ones he'd have trouble with are Allen Iverson and Rip Hamilton. And both of those guys would have an even worse time guarding Ron.

The biggest problem with the lineup posted above, IMO, is the dearth of outside shooting. I want a shooter!

He'd have the same problems handling Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Allan Houston, etc.

Allen Houston? No way. I've seen that matchup LIVE... Artest dominates it.

I'll admit I haven't seen as much of Ray Allen since he moved west, but as I recall he's not blindingly fast and he doesn't use tons of screens (not like Rip, anyway). I don't remember him ever lighting us up since Ron got here.

Michael Redd is getting there, though I still think of him as a shooter first (I know that's changed some).