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BoomBaby33
10-24-2008, 02:00 AM
What will it take for Bird and / or Obie to get GM and / or Coach of the year, respectively? Personally I think 45 wins would deserve consideration for either of them, considering how bad our outlook was at the end of last season (even though we ended the season hot). Getting rid of Tinsley will help Birds cause I think, but it might be closer to the trade deadline when we can finally jettison tins.

I havent posted much lately, but I am really excited as a Pacer fan for this season. 8 new players and a whole new outlook, both from PR standpoint, youth movement, and team playing ability. We are finally ridded of the black cloud of the brawl IMO.

What has Donnie done this year for the bricks, anyway? Not putting him down but Bird has done real well IMO since Donnie left.

Go Pacers!!!!

Quis
10-24-2008, 02:05 AM
A top-6 playoff seeding should put both in the hunt.

Bball
10-24-2008, 02:27 AM
Morway is technically the GM so would Bird even be eligible?

-Bball

d_c
10-24-2008, 02:39 AM
Morway is technically the GM so would Bird even be eligible?

-Bball

The name of the award is "Executive of the Year", which has a pretty broad meaning. I'm sure it applies to anyone with the title of GM, VP, President, President of Basketball Operations, etc....

Basically, it's given to the head guy in charge making all the moves, whatever that guy's title for a particular franchise may be.

MillerTime
10-24-2008, 06:29 AM
If Bird can find us a quality post player then I would give him GMOY. If we can win about 45+ games, Bird/Morway and JOB deserve it

count55
10-24-2008, 08:21 AM
Anything over .500 with a playoff spot would probably earn JOB consideration for COY, given the generally low opinion of this roster. However, to get it, I'd say all the planets have to align, and we get over 45 wins.

Bird for EOY is a little more complex. In addition to the wins, we'd have to see the new guys be big contributors. It would help if one or both of the Rookies could make one of the All Rookie teams, and Ford needs to stay healthy and give 14 & 7.

Also, it wouldn't hurt if JO, Bayless, or both had at least mildly disappointing seasons. As I've said before, I believe this is completely irrelevant to the Pacers, and I am not pulling for this to happen in any way, shape, or form, but...if our new guys are big contributors, this eventuality would help the perception of the "quality" of the deals Bird made.

If you're asking me what I think the chances are for either winning, I'd say Bird's are a little higher, but both are probably somewhat below 1 in 4.

Major Cold
10-24-2008, 08:49 AM
If Portland gets in the playoffs it does not matter what the Pacers do.

MillerTime
10-24-2008, 09:28 AM
If Portland gets in the playoffs it does not matter what the Pacers do.

Pacers, minus Rush or Bayless, dont have a team as good as the Blazers. I dont know why people are comparing the 2 teams.

Justin Tyme
10-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Slim and next to none come to mind.

Smoothdave1
10-24-2008, 10:18 AM
45-50 wins, strong showings by TJ Ford, Rush & Hibbert and the emergence of Granger would make both Bird & JOB strong contenders for Executive & Coach of the year, respectively, IMO.

JayRedd
10-24-2008, 10:56 AM
Only one guy (Doc Rivers at .500 in 99-00 with a historically disgustingly putrid roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2000.html)) has gotten the COY award with under 47 wins in the last 25 years.

And the only two guys with under 50 wins showed tremendous improvements over their teams' previous seasons (Sam Mitchell's 06-07 team which went from 27 to 47 wins and Del Harris's 94-95 Lakers that went from 33 to 48 wins).

Considering we won 36 last year and finished 9th in the East, I reckon it would take at least 50 and a top 3-4 seed for J'OB to enter the conversation.

avoidingtheclowns
10-24-2008, 01:01 PM
Only one guy (Doc Rivers at .500 in 99-00 with a historically disgustingly putrid roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2000.html)) has gotten the COY award with under 47 wins in the last 25 years.

And the only two guys with under 50 wins showed tremendous improvements over their teams' previous seasons (Sam Mitchell's 06-07 team which went from 27 to 47 wins and Del Harris's 04-05 Lakers that went from 33 to 48 wins).

Considering we won 36 last year and finished 9th in the East, I reckon it would take at least 50 and a top 3-4 seed.

yeah prolly for COY.

executive of the year? elton brand season ending injury and a blazers season that doesn't quite match the hype methinks.

BoomBaby33
10-24-2008, 01:34 PM
Only one guy (Doc Rivers at .500 in 99-00 with a historically disgustingly putrid roster (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2000.html)) has gotten the COY award with under 47 wins in the last 25 years.

And the only two guys with under 50 wins showed tremendous improvements over their teams' previous seasons (Sam Mitchell's 06-07 team which went from 27 to 47 wins and Del Harris's 04-05 Lakers that went from 33 to 48 wins).

Considering we won 36 last year and finished 9th in the East, I reckon it would take at least 50 and a top 3-4 seed.

Good points Jay. However, didn't Pritchard get EOY last year for Portland with all the moves they made, yet the Blazers were only 41-41?

Major Cold
10-24-2008, 02:43 PM
I am not comparing the two. Simply if the Blazers get to the playoffs Nate McMillan will beat everyone.

The NBA wants the Blazers to succeed.

count55
10-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Good points Jay. However, didn't Pritchard get EOY last year for Portland with all the moves they made, yet the Blazers were only 41-41?

Ainge got EOY last year, IIRC.

count55
10-24-2008, 02:51 PM
I am not comparing the two. Simply if the Blazers get to the playoffs Nate McMillan will beat everyone.

The NBA wants the Blazers to succeed.

COY usually goes to the guy whose team most exceeds expectations. I'd believe that Portland is expected to be a winning team and threaten for a playoff spot out West, so the bar will probably be relatively high for McMillan. I don't think just making the playoffs will do it.

ABADays
10-24-2008, 03:32 PM
I only care about the great job they are doing for the Pacers. These awards are nothing but fluff.

BoomBaby33
10-24-2008, 04:03 PM
Ainge got EOY last year, IIRC.

Thats right! good call count!

Raoul Duke
10-24-2008, 04:28 PM
About 15 other coaches would have to die