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bambam
10-11-2008, 05:19 PM
Ok, so i was looking at hoopshype, and seeing Pacers salaries ( http://hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana.htm ). I roughly figured the Pacers have 13.9 million in expiring contracts after this season. This does not include Daniels 7.35m team option, which I would almost guess will not be picked up (atleast I hope not...to much for little production). So when you add that is 22m in expiring contracts.

The question to everyone here...Are the Pacers lining themselves up for a big time trading team in Febuary? OR, are they going to let the season play out and let all contracts expire and enter Free Agent market for a high profile player?



IMO....

The Pacers will trade away some contracts near the deadline in hopes of picking up a couple more 1st round picks. We have never seen the Pacers really hit the Free Agent market for big names. So, I believe Bird is going to try to build this team with young talent and be ready to take over the Pacers when Dunleavy and Murphys contracts expire after 2010/2011 season.

They are already building nicely with Rush and Hibbert. If they can grab another teams 1st round (or 2), the Pacers could be adding 2-3 first round talents looking toward 2-3 seasons of being a Championship contender.

Again, just my opionion and was wondering what everyone elses thoughts were on the Pacers situation of expiring contracts.

Anthem
10-11-2008, 05:38 PM
Neither. They won't be a big player in the FA market because they won't be far enough under the cap. They won't take on a ton of future contracts because they have too many bad contracts already and don't need more.

For the most part, they'll let these contracts expire and get some breathing room.

Infinite MAN_force
10-11-2008, 05:46 PM
Does that number include foster's contract? Because he just got extended.

count55
10-11-2008, 05:52 PM
Hmmm...I haven't really thought much about what our cap position will be next year.

Anthem
10-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Hmmm...I haven't really thought much about what our cap position will be next year.
Funny man.

bambam
10-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Neither. They won't be a big player in the FA market because they won't be far enough under the cap. They won't take on a ton of future contracts because they have too many bad contracts already and don't need more.

For the most part, they'll let these contracts expire and get some breathing room.

Bad contract you must be talking about Dunleavy and Murphy? Which both expire after 2010/11 season. Why would draft picks hurt us? Rush and Hibbert make only 1.4m and 1.7m 1st season, 1.5 and 1.9m 2nd season, and 2.0m and 1.7m in 3rd season. So rookies contracts done seem to be pushing the any kind of cap problems.

If you can somehow unload Tinsley contract of 6.7m this year for someone elses expiring contract. Then your looking at 25-27m in expiring contracts.

aceace
10-11-2008, 06:25 PM
We will only be a player in Feb. if we are 10 games over .500 (IMHO) We can use the expiring contracts to bring in help/fill a weakness. If not I expect us to let them expire and use the room to sign Granger and Jack.

Los Angeles
10-11-2008, 07:00 PM
Whatever money we will save will only go to offset the lowered revenue.

ChicagoJ
10-11-2008, 07:04 PM
We will only be a player in Feb. if we are 10 games over .500 (IMHO) We can use the expiring contracts to bring in help/fill a weakness. If not I expect us to let them expire and use the room to sign Granger and Jack.

If the expirings can net a first-rounder, I expect them to be moved in January/ February.

Major Cold
10-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Can we have count do a sticky cap thread and update it as the roster changes?

That way we can direct this there.

purdue101
10-11-2008, 07:31 PM
Count - assuming we wait to extend Danny and Jack until later next summer, and we do not make anymore moves, how much money will we have next summer to hit FA with before we hit the cap??? Let's also assume we do not get an expiring for tinsley, have a 1st rounder at a starting salary of say 1.5 million, and the cap increases by the same % next summer as it did this summer.

I'm taking the approach that we use our room under the cap to sign a FA and then go over the cap to resign Danny & Jack. I know they have cap hold numbers though.

I'm trying to gauge what type of FA we could get.

Thanks

purdue101
10-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Count - assuming we wait to extend Danny and Jack until later next summer, and we do not make anymore moves, how much money will we have next summer to hit FA with before we hit the cap??? Let's also assume we do not get an expiring for tinsley, have a 1st rounder at a starting salary of say 1.5 million, and the cap increases by the same % next summer as it did this summer.

I'm taking the approach that we use our room under the cap to sign a FA and then go over the cap to resign Danny & Jack. I know they have cap hold numbers though.

I'm trying to gauge what type of FA we could get.


Thanks

Lets also assume Jeff was extended for 4.0 million per season

Will Galen
10-11-2008, 07:39 PM
Lets also assume Jeff was extended for 4.0 million per season

Reports are he signed for $12.7m. So most likely he got the standard 10 1/2% raise. That's $6.077,500 and $6.655,000, for a total of $12,732,500.

count55
10-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Count - assuming we wait to extend Danny and Jack until later next summer, and we do not make anymore moves, how much money will we have next summer to hit FA with before we hit the cap??? Let's also assume we do not get an expiring for tinsley, have a 1st rounder at a starting salary of say 1.5 million, and the cap increases by the same % next summer as it did this summer.

I'm taking the approach that we use our room under the cap to sign a FA and then go over the cap to resign Danny & Jack. I know they have cap hold numbers though.

I'm trying to gauge what type of FA we could get.

Thanks


Lets also assume Jeff was extended for 4.0 million per season

Jeff was will probably be about $6.1 next year, per reports, so we'll be around $48 in guaranteed contracts (assuming Tinsley's contract or it's equivalent). In order to retain Danny & JJ's rights, there will be capholds of $7mm and $6mm, respectively. Therefore, if we intend to keep both (as you suggest), we'll still effectively be at $61mm..at or around the cap.

We basically would be able to sign someone using the MLE, or about $6mm starting salary.


Can we have count do a sticky cap thread and update it as the roster changes?

That way we can direct this there.

Let me see what I can do...(I'll put the thread together, but it's somebody else's call on the sticky.)

Will Galen
10-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Count - assuming we wait to extend Danny and Jack until later next summer, and we do not make anymore moves, how much money will we have next summer to hit FA with before we hit the cap??? Let's also assume we do not get an expiring for tinsley, have a 1st rounder at a starting salary of say 1.5 million, and the cap increases by the same % next summer as it did this summer.

I'm taking the approach that we use our room under the cap to sign a FA and then go over the cap to resign Danny & Jack. I know they have cap hold numbers though.

I'm trying to gauge what type of FA we could get.

Thanks

I keep a running spreadsheet of Pacers salaries. My last update was in late June right after the draft and the trades went though. If you can find that all you would need is to make a couple changes.

EDIT: Duh! I just said I keep a spreadsheet and I tell you to find it when I have a copy! I updated it, but I didn't do the totals.


Salaries
<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="709"><tbody><tr><td class="table1column1" valign="top" width="24%">Name
</td> <td class="table1column2" valign="top" width="15%"> 08/09
</td> <td class="table1column3" valign="top" width="15%">09/10
</td> <td class="table1column4" valign="top" width="15%"> 10/11
</td> <td class="table1column5" valign="top" width="15%"> 11/12
</td> <td class="table1column6" valign="top" width="16%"> Total
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
<table cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="705" height="737"><tbody><tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Troy Murphy
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$10,126,984
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$11,047,619
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$11,968,254
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> ------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Mike Dunleavy
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$9,000,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$9,780,992
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$10,561,984
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">T.J. Ford
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$8,275,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$8,775,000
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$8,775,000
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">R. Nesterovic
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$8,400,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">-------------
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Marquis Daniels
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$6,864,200
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$7,354,500
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Jamaal Tinsley
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$6,750,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$7,200,000
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$7,650,000
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Jeff Foster
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$5,500,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$6,077,500
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> $6,655,000
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Danny Granger
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,329,805
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$3,289,685
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Jarrett Jack
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,002,623
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,899,798
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Maceo Baston

Eddie Jones
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,272,860

$1,976,400
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">-------------

-------------
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------

--------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------

-------------

</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Brandon Rush
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,799,160
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,934,160
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,069,040
</td> <td class="table2column5" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,956,658
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Travis Diener
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,620,000
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,740,000
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Roy Hibbert
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,465,440
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,575,360
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$1,685,280
</td> <td class="table2column5" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$2,588,590
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Stephen Graham
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$826,269
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">--------------
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" valign="top" width="24%">Josh McRoberts
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">$711,517
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">--------------
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%"> --------------
</td> <td class="table2column5" valign="top" width="15%"> -------------
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="table2column1" align="right" valign="top" width="24%">
</td> <td class="table2column2" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">69,241,698
</td> <td class="table2column3" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">61,263,794
</td> <td class="table2column4" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">45,681,624
</td> <td class="table2column5" align="right" valign="top" width="15%">4,692,818
</td> </tr></tbody></table>
Team Option
Player Option
Qualifying Offer

The salary figure's come from;
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/index.jsp (http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp)


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</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

JayRedd
10-11-2008, 08:55 PM
FYI: Sham has some discrepancies with you on Maceo, Rush and Roy. They are minor, but you may want to check the site versus your Excel sheet.

Will Galen
10-11-2008, 09:10 PM
FYI: Sham has some discrepancies with you on Maceo, Rush and Roy. They are minor, but you may want to check the site versus your Excel sheet.

I was fixing it when I noticed you had posted. I hadn't been aware they had changed Maceo's, so thank you. And I still don't understand why their rookie figures don't agree with the NBA unions site. Well I had figured that out in June, but I don't remember what it was now. I'll check everything again after the roster is settled.

JayRedd
10-11-2008, 09:13 PM
Could be the new cap figure. Maybe the ones you have are based on last years cap? Or it could be Sham is off...he's good, but not perfect. I'm sure count could help figure things out.

Peck
10-11-2008, 11:34 PM
Everybody who believes that Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts will be allowed to expire by the Pacers raise your hands.

Looking, looking....

I see Anthem jumping up and down, remember Anthem I said what the pacers would do not what you wanted them to do.:)

Will Galen
10-12-2008, 09:57 AM
Here was my problem with the rookie salaries that Sham and ESPN put up. They don't agree with the NBA's Player's Association site. My question was why?

It's because rookie salary's aren't etched in stone. NBA teams can sign rookies from 80% of, up to 120% of scale.

It appears NBA teams are mostly signing rookies at 120%, so Sham, and ESPN, just assume all rookies are signed at that amount.

http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php


<table bgcolor="#ffffff" border="1" bordercolor="#dadada" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td colspan="6" bgcolor="#dadada">2008-09 NBA Rookie Scale ($000Ăs)

</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"> <td width="9%"> Pick

</td> <td width="16%"> 1st Year
Salary

</td> <td width="17%"> 2nd Year
Salary

</td> <td width="16%"> 3rd Year
Option
Salary

</td> <td width="21%"> 4th Year
Option:
Percentage
Increase
Over 3rd
Year Salary

</td> <td width="21%"> Qualifying
Offer:
Percentage
Increase
Over 4th
Year Salary

</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
1
</td> <td>
4,019.0
</td> <td>
4,320.4
</td> <td>
4,621.8
</td> <td>
26.1%
</td> <td>
30.0%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
2
</td> <td>
3,595.8
</td> <td>
3,865.5
</td> <td>
4,135.2
</td> <td>
26.2%
</td> <td>
30.5%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
3
</td> <td>
3,229.2
</td> <td>
3,471.3
</td> <td>
3,713.5
</td> <td>
26.4%
</td> <td>
31.2%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
4
</td> <td>
2,911.4
</td> <td>
3,129.7
</td> <td>
3,348.1
</td> <td>
26.5%
</td> <td>
31.9%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
5
</td> <td>
2,636.4
</td> <td>
2,834.2
</td> <td>
3,031.9
</td> <td>
26.7%
</td> <td>
32.6%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
6
</td> <td>
2,394.6
</td> <td>
2,574.2
</td> <td>
2,753.8
</td> <td>
26.8%
</td> <td>
33.4%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
7
</td> <td>
2,186.0
</td> <td>
2,349.9
</td> <td>
2,513.9
</td> <td>
27.0%
</td> <td>
34.1%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
8
</td> <td>
2,002.6
</td> <td>
2,152.8
</td> <td>
2,303.0
</td> <td>
27.2%
</td> <td>
34.8%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
9
</td> <td>
1,840.8
</td> <td>
1,978.9
</td> <td>
2,117.0
</td> <td>
27.4%
</td> <td>
35.5%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
10
</td> <td>
1,748.8
</td> <td>
1,879.9
</td> <td>
2,011.1
</td> <td>
27.5%
</td> <td>
36.2%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
11
</td> <td>
1,661.3
</td> <td>
1,785.9
</td> <td>
1,910.5
</td> <td>
32.7%
</td> <td>
36.9%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
12
</td> <td>
1,578.2
</td> <td>
1,696.6
</td> <td>
1,815.0
</td> <td>
37.8%
</td> <td>
37.6%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
13
</td> <td>
1,499.3
</td> <td>
1,611.8
</td> <td>
1,724.2
</td> <td>
42.9%
</td> <td>
38.3%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
14
</td> <td>
1,424.4
</td> <td>
1,531.3
</td> <td>
1,638.1
</td> <td>
48.1%
</td> <td>
39.1%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
15
</td> <td>
1,353.1
</td> <td>
1,454.6
</td> <td>
1,556.1
</td> <td>
53.3%
</td> <td>
39.8%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
16
</td> <td>
1,285.5
</td> <td>
1,381.9
</td> <td>
1,478.3
</td> <td>
53.4%
</td> <td>
40.5%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
17
</td> <td>
1,221.2
</td> <td>
1,312.8
</td> <td>
1,404.4
</td> <td>
53.6%
</td> <td>
41.2%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
18
</td> <td>
1,160.2
</td> <td>
1,247.2
</td> <td>
1,334.2
</td> <td>
53.8%
</td> <td>
41.9%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
19
</td> <td>
1,107.9
</td> <td>
1,191.0
</td> <td>
1,274.1
</td> <td>
54.0%
</td> <td>
42.6%
</td> </tr> <tr align="left"> <td>
20
</td> <td>
1,063.6
</td> <td>
1,143.4
</td> <td>
1,223.2
</td> <td>
54.2%
</td> <td>
43.3%
</td></tr></tbody></table>

CableKC
10-12-2008, 11:45 AM
This question comes up every other week.....can we get a Sticky that's titled "It looks like we have Salary Cap space for the 2009-2010 season to sign a FA, but we really don't with all the Cap holds that we have" and then include a link that directs the viewer to the multiple threads that we have had discussing this?

Anthem
10-12-2008, 12:33 PM
Everybody who believes that Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts will be allowed to expire by the Pacers raise your hands.

Looking, looking....

I see Anthem jumping up and down, remember Anthem I said what the pacers would do not what you wanted them to do.:)
I've often wondered if they make moves just to spite me. :D

It's too soon to say whether they'll let them expire or trade them first. I think Murph might very well be traded if we could get any value for him, but I expect Dun to end up as a third swingman backing up Granger and (hopefully) Rush.

But ultimately, I expect both players to be worse this year than they were last year. I expect their play to fall off, which (when combined with their increasing salaries) will make them close to untradable. So I don't expect us to be able to get much for them, which means we're best off letting them expire. But then that's three years out. Who knows.

Quis
10-12-2008, 01:58 PM
You let it be known that the expirings are available, and if a team is looking to dump a talented player at the trade deadline, and you like said talented player, you make a move for him. If not, you let them expire and work towards future capspace.

Naptown_Seth
10-12-2008, 02:56 PM
In fairness to Anthem I think the trade or expire question is going to be decided by where the team is at. I don't think the choice is set even a little bit. If they are on the edge of the next step and want to adjust then you move that expiring for the key vet. But if it's more of the same then they are probably going to expire, at least Murphy.

Right now I'm wondering if Rasho will be let go even. If he plays well enough he might end up with a new deal from the Pacers, something most of us figured wouldn't happen at the time of the trade.

The key has always just been BREATHING ROOM as already mentioned, and not just here as everyone is pointing out. They just want to be able to have choices back on the board which they haven't for awhile (though that JO deal went better than expected IMO).



I think most of us are sick of hearing the free agency talk since that's the one area that probably isn't on their agenda in the least, and not just next year either.

Justin Tyme
10-12-2008, 04:10 PM
Count - assuming we wait to extend Danny and Jack until later next summer, and we do not make anymore moves, how much money will we have next summer to hit FA with before we hit the cap??? Let's also assume we do not get an expiring for tinsley, have a 1st rounder at a starting salary of say 1.5 million, and the cap increases by the same % next summer as it did this summer.

I'm taking the approach that we use our room under the cap to sign a FA and then go over the cap to resign Danny & Jack. I know they have cap hold numbers though.

I'm trying to gauge what type of FA we could get.

Thanks


Didn't 55 or someone else already do this previously, and show the Pacers would have little money to sign a FA?

d_c
10-12-2008, 04:24 PM
Didn't 55 or someone else already do this previously, and show the Pacers would have little money to sign a FA?

He's done that over and over again but somehow people keep believing that significant cap space is somehow going to magically appear, which is about as likely to happen as finding Santa Claus.

count55
10-12-2008, 04:49 PM
He's done that over and over again but somehow people keep believing that significant cap space is somehow going to magically appear, which is about as likely to happen as finding Santa Claus.

Is there something I don't know about Santa?

avoidingtheclowns
10-12-2008, 04:59 PM
He's done that over and over again but somehow people keep believing that significant cap space is somehow going to magically appear, which is about as likely to happen as finding Santa Claus.

and for those keeping score - "trading jamaal tinsley to oakland" ranks as "OJ finding the real killer" on the likelihood spectrum

Jose Slaughter
10-12-2008, 05:06 PM
I think he's still tied up in Btowns basement.

bambam
10-12-2008, 05:20 PM
This question comes up every other week.....can we get a Sticky that's titled "It looks like we have Salary Cap space for the 2009-2010 season to sign a FA, but we really don't with all the Cap holds that we have" and then include a link that directs the viewer to the multiple threads that we have had discussing this?


Sorry Cable for holding a gun to your head and making you read this thread. Because God forbid you just ignore the thread and not say anything. That would be aimpossible, huh?

Sorry I cant be on here everyday and memorize what threads have been started. I will start consulting you and the rest of forum police before making any posts.

Good to be with Pacer fans that are more concerned about being sarcastic and being forum police. :rolleyes:

Anthem
10-12-2008, 05:37 PM
Good to be with Pacer fans that are more concerned about being sarcastic and being forum police. :rolleyes:
It is, isn't it? :flirt:

That's why a sticky's not a bad idea. New folks can't keep up with what ideas have already been posted.

bambam
10-12-2008, 05:45 PM
It is, isn't it? :flirt:

That's why a sticky's not a bad idea. New folks can't keep up with what ideas have already been posted.


No so much the idea, but the sarcasm

Hicks
10-12-2008, 05:50 PM
It is, isn't it? :flirt:

No, it really isn't. Being helpful is one thing, but after a while you guys are coming across as condescending IMO and I can't blame others for feeling belittled by it. I think there's a need for you guys that are here every day to be more considerate about how you're coming across if you still want to make those kinds of posts towards people who don't visit as often. This environment is becoming slightly toxic IMO.

Los Angeles
10-13-2008, 02:11 AM
Hey, I consider myself a regular, and this thread is the first time I've really considered this issue. I too feel a little put off by the "The answer is so obvious and well covered that you should shut up" posts.

And from me, admittedly one of the more arrogant posters here, that means something.

count55
10-13-2008, 06:26 AM
In the case of the 2009 cap space discussion, these are my posts alone over the last month:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=779746&postcount=25
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=779723&postcount=20
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=779720&postcount=19
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=782052&postcount=7
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=782082&postcount=13
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=782103&postcount=17
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=782063&postcount=6
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=782164&postcount=8
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=789303&postcount=43
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showpost.php?p=789450&postcount=14

It appears that the sticky idea advanced by Cable & intridcold is not without merit.

I suspect any frustration or exasperation coming from those guys, and others, comes from the dread proposition of another post from me on the subject.

Major Cold
10-13-2008, 08:10 AM
My initial idea of having a sticky was to have a spot that is current, updated, and directional. It was not out of annoyance, but reading my post I can see that annoyance can be inferred. I strongly want those who are not regulars to know that I did not intend this and I am sorry if that brought distress.

I know what it feels like being an outsider on forums.

About the stickies. I realize that too many stickeis can make stickies pointless or cumbersome.

BillS
10-13-2008, 09:17 AM
Having an ongoing updated cap space analysis as part of the FAQ thread might be the best bet.

Hicks
10-13-2008, 09:52 AM
Folks,

I just stuck the FAQ Thread (I could have sworn it already was stuck, but sure enough it wasn't there), and I've added a new item containing all of the posts count55 just linked to in this thread.

Hopefully that will help in terms of directing questions and getting them answered more quickly.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=41344

Major Cold
10-13-2008, 10:12 AM
thanks Hicks