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MillerTime
10-10-2008, 10:50 PM
How many of you guys think Murphy will actually break out next season? Not want him to, but actually think he will?

Personally, under JOBs system, I think he will. We finally have a PG (and Backup PG) that can get into the lanes and cause the defense to collapse and then have the ability to dish it out to guys that can hit the long range jumper, with Murphy being one of them.

I loved how Murphy playing in his earlier days in GS, I dont know what happened to him a few seasons after, he just fell off. He averaged 14 ppg and 10 rpg at one point, then just died down. Thats what we need from him, someone who can go after the rounds fearlessly.

This should be a nice year from Murphy...

duke dynamite
10-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Someone has been paying attention to my posts...

Anthem
10-10-2008, 11:25 PM
Not me. If he matches his post-ASB production I'll be thrilled. Hard to expect more than that from him.

MillerTime
10-10-2008, 11:36 PM
Not me. If he matches his post-ASB production I'll be thrilled. Hard to expect more than that from him.

I just want him to get back to how he was when he averaged a double double back in GS. He was killing it that season. He was such a hard matchup. He loved stepping outside and shooting and normal PFs dont like being so far from the basketb

BlueNGold
10-10-2008, 11:45 PM
Y'all gonna see it....lol.

Sorry, I'm not a believer. He first needs to become remotely decent at defending the post. Maybe stop someone from either going over, around or through him. He really is that bad. Remember, he is a POWER Forward. He looks pretty around the 3pt line, but the other half of the time it is not pretty.

Actually, I would prefer we stick Foster out there and let MDJ and Granger shoot treys, because they both shoot for a higher pct. anyway.

Troy's a nice guy, even if he is a little strange with the tanning fetish, but I simply do not want him as a starting PF. Not in the NBA.

So, the answer is NO.

d_c
10-10-2008, 11:53 PM
I just want him to get back to how he was when he averaged a double double back in GS. He was killing it that season. He was such a hard matchup. He loved stepping outside and shooting and normal PFs dont like being so far from the basketb

Murphy never "killed it" in GS. Closest he came to that was his 2nd year. That was his best as a pro.

People wanted him shipped out of town during his double double days following that because he was a PF shooting ~42%, missing point blank shots and not playing defense.

I mean Chris Mullin spent an entire summer trying to trade Murphy right AFTER he had just completed 2 consecutive years averaging a double double for Al Harrington, a guy who has NEVER averaged a double double.

The reason the W's traded Murphy had nothing to do with his inability to average a double double, because he was obviously able to do that.

maragin
10-11-2008, 05:44 AM
What would define a breakout season for Murphy, statistically? I'd be interested to hear what people would set as a baseline.

BKK
10-11-2008, 06:20 AM
if he reached 14 and 8 AND does not make us lose games because of his poor defense I'll be satisified

MillerTime
10-11-2008, 06:31 AM
What would define a breakout season for Murphy, statistically? I'd be interested to hear what people would set as a baseline.

If he could get back to the days where he was averaging 14ppg and 10rpg I would be very happy with him. But his defense needs to pick up also

dohman
10-11-2008, 12:00 PM
I do not have a problem with him shooting threes if he can hit them at 40 percent like he has averaged in his career.

Like eveyone said he needs to put on about 10 pounds of lean muscle and start to play hard PHYSICAL defense. I hate how soft he is and how he cannot put a body on anyone. I am interested to see the high low with him and hibbert later in the season though.

Hicks
10-11-2008, 12:10 PM
A breakout year for him would be doing what he did at the end of last season for the entire season, and showing us something more on D.

Putnam
10-11-2008, 12:21 PM
How many of you guys think Murphy will actually break out next season? Personally, under JOBs system, I think he will.


What would define a breakout season for Murphy, statistically?


If he could get back to the days where he was averaging 14ppg and 10rpg I would be very happy with him.


So, you are defining a "breakout season" as returning to the level of play Murphy has already showed in 04-05 and 05-06?

That is silly.


Anyway, no, I don't think Murphy is going to break out this season. He is a pretty consistent player, and his output totals are due to his minutes. The years he averaged 14 points and 10 rebounds were years he played more minutes. His output per 48 hasn't changed much.

He played 28 minutes last year, and he's not going to get much more this year than last.

LG33
10-11-2008, 12:50 PM
A breakout year for him would be doing what he did at the end of last season for the entire season, and showing us something more on D.

Agreed. He didn't settle for jump shots as much towards the end, even putting in some slow but effective drives to the basket.

imawhat
10-11-2008, 01:06 PM
He played 28 minutes last year, and he's not going to get much more this year than last.


I'm pretty sure he will. Larry said he could play 35 min/game this year. I expect him to be somewhere between the two numbers, but he's needed more this year because of the lack of offense in the post (for which Troy will not provide, but he will provide scoring at the 4). Remember, he "broke out" later in the year while Jermaine sat out.

Putnam
10-11-2008, 03:07 PM
I'm pretty sure he will. Larry said he could play 35 min/game this year. I expect him to be somewhere between the two numbers, but he's needed more this year because of the lack of offense in the post (for which Troy will not provide, but he will provide scoring at the 4). Remember, he "broke out" later in the year while Jermaine sat out.


You may be right about the minutes. I don't know. I took the comment about him getting 35 minutes per game the same way I took O'Brien's statement that McRoberts is the Pacers most athletic big man. But it may happen that way for Murphy.

I still resist use of the term "break out" to describe rise back up to a level he's already attained.

And it doesn't seem likely that the Pacers' offense will rely on the power forward position as much this year as it has in the past, so Murphy's attempts probably won't increase. We'll see.

d_c
10-11-2008, 03:12 PM
What would define a breakout season for Murphy, statistically? I'd be interested to hear what people would set as a baseline.

I can tell you right now that statistics were never the reason that Warrior fans eventually got tired of Murphy. He almost always had good stats in terms of point and rebounds. That was never his problem.

His problems were that he shot a poor percentage, was a poor passer, played poor man defense and played perhaps some of the worst HELP defense for a bigman in the league.

If you want to know whether Murphy is helping you or not, you need to watch the game instead of just looking at the boxscore.

BlueNGold
10-11-2008, 03:58 PM
I can tell you right now that statistics were never the reason that Warrior fans eventually got tired of Murphy. He almost always had good stats in terms of point and rebounds. That was never his problem.

His problems were that he shot a poor percentage, was a poor passer, played poor man defense and played perhaps some of the worst HELP defense for a bigman in the league.

If you want to know whether Murphy is helping you or not, you need to watch the game instead of just looking at the boxscore.

Need to frame this post.

Infinite MAN_force
10-11-2008, 08:12 PM
I do not have a problem with him shooting threes if he can hit them at 40 percent like he has averaged in his career.

Like eveyone said he needs to put on about 10 pounds of lean muscle and start to play hard PHYSICAL defense. I hate how soft he is and how he cannot put a body on anyone. I am interested to see the high low with him and hibbert later in the season though.


I don't think he needs to put on any weight. I remember the beginning of last year when he "hit the gym" and put on some pounds... was just abysmally slow... his game didn't pick up till he started to slim down later in the season and was """""slightly""""" quicker.

McKeyFan
10-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I don't have Murphy-hate. I also can't really see him "breaking out."

However, I think we could all grow to like him a lot better if the following occur:

- He continues to drive to the rack like the end of last season
- He plays tough, physical defense.
- He slims down and finds a better ability to play defense.

Roaming Gnome
10-11-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm tired of dreaming that he is going to be worthy of being a starting power forward. He's not, nor will he ever be.

I've just come to the reality that We're stuck with this guy. Management will say anything to make this guy tolerable to the fan base. Hell, some of you are taking what Bird said about his minutes like it means more then Diener resembling Mark Price.

Puh-leese... Murphy is what he is.

JayRedd
10-11-2008, 11:17 PM
Much like Croshere in his previous stint here, Murphy is a great guy to have on the team who only is a problem due to his salary. Troy brings many things to the table and certainly deserves significant mpg in an NBA frontcourt somewhere...he just doesn't bring $10 million worth of things to the table.

It's easy to hate him for that fact...but whatever, he's still pretty good. It likely means we are stuck with him, but it's not like he's bad or anything -- simply overpaid.

D-BONE
10-12-2008, 08:29 AM
Much like Croshere in his previous stint here, Murphy is a great guy to have on the team who only is a problem due to his salary. Troy brings many things to the table and certainly deserves significant mpg in an NBA frontcourt somewhere...he just doesn't bring $10 million worth of things to the table.

It's easy to hate him for that fact...but whatever, he's still pretty good. It likely means we are stuck with him, but it's not like he's bad or anything -- simply overpaid.


Agreed. Dude's a pretty solid player. Arguably not a starting PF, but will get you some points and rebounds. Just isn't a banger and defender, which isn't timely b/c that's something we lack right now. Our offense is probably ideal to take advantage of his strengths. If he can get us double-digit points and 8-ish rebounds I'll be plenty content.

speakout4
10-12-2008, 12:16 PM
Murphy is Croshere redux: overpaid, not strong defensively, good-3 point shooter, not terribly athletic, and not really prototype nba PF. He is also more brittle. I am hoping that mcRob can give the team solid minutes.

In five years teams will be competing to sign him for the vet minimum.

Sadly, we need more from the 4 position than he can possibly produce. The 4 position is the one we need to fill in next year's draft.

JayRedd
10-12-2008, 01:26 PM
Sadly, we need more from the 4 position than he can possibly produce. The 4 position is the one we need to fill in next year's draft.

Most certainly.

But we should blame our front office for that. Not him.

Quis
10-12-2008, 01:53 PM
Murphy's a perfectly acceptable PF that's a mismatch on offense and does a good job hitting the boards. I'd like to see us go after more of a defensive presence, but a Murphy/Foster duo is far from bad.

Justin Tyme
10-12-2008, 05:24 PM
Murphy is Croshere redux: overpaid, not strong defensively, good-3 point shooter, not terribly athletic, and not really prototype nba PF. He is also more brittle. I am hoping that mcRob can give the team solid minutes.

In five years teams will be competing to sign him for the vet minimum.

Sadly, we need more from the 4 position than he can possibly produce. The 4 position is the one we need to fill in next year's draft.


Mullin overpaid Murphy like Walsh overpaid Cro. Neither ever produced to justify their salaries.

I totally agree that next year the Pacers need in the draft is a PF, but I'm not looking for them to get their future PF in the draft. Even if they get a good PF it will take years to really help the team. This is why I feel a quality PF will have to come from a trade, same as our PG's this year.

speakout4
10-12-2008, 05:35 PM
How about a PF who enjoys playing in the paint? Murphy doesn't like being there and neither did Harrington which is why I thought we traded him for the second time.

How many teams encourage their #4 to be 3 point shooters. That being said we may be able to do better with Hibbert playing defense so Murphy can do his wandering to the 3 point line.

imawhat
10-12-2008, 05:46 PM
I think a breakout season for Murphy is as much about efficiency as it is about increased stats. Even though it's not a big difference, this is what I would consider a breakout season for Murphy:

17 pts, 9-10 rbs, 48-49% FG, and a combination of any sort of visible defensive contributions. By contributions, I mean taking charges (which O'Brien hinted at directly after the end of last season), boxing out, or impeding progress to the basket, even if it only means causing the offensive player to take one extra step, and smart pick and roll defense.

Anthem
10-12-2008, 06:01 PM
17 pts, 9-10 rbs, 48-49% FG, and a combination of any sort of visible defensive contributions. By contributions, I mean taking charges (which O'Brien hinted at directly after the end of last season), boxing out, or impeding progress to the basket, even if it only means causing the offensive player to take one extra step, and smart pick and roll defense.
That would be amazing. If he only averaged 14-15 ppg but did the other stuff, I'd be ecstatic.

MillerTime
11-10-2008, 11:03 AM
5 games into the season and Murphy is averaging 11.6ppg and 10.4 rpg...a double double


With his third double-double in five games (17 points, 10 rebounds) against the Nets, Troy Murphy continues to average a double-double (11.6 points, 10.4 rebounds) and his 3-point shooting (12-of-24) has been a big weapon. The Thunder's Nick Collison is a grinder who is very active around the basket but can step out and shoot from 15-18 feet but isn't a major scoring threat.
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/matchups_081110.html

Random fact, did you guys know that Granger in his last 21 games has averaged 24.9 points, second in the East to Cleveland's James

rexnom
11-10-2008, 11:22 AM
Random fact, did you guys know that Granger in his last 21 games has averaged 24.9 points, second in the East to Cleveland's James
This is interesting. Hopefully an indicator that his consistent 20+ scoring is here to stay.

duke dynamite
11-10-2008, 12:26 PM
5 games into the season and Murphy is averaging 11.6ppg and 10.4 rpg...a double double

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/matchups_081110.html

Random fact, did you guys know that Granger in his last 21 games has averaged 24.9 points, second in the East to Cleveland's James
Yeah...

MillerTime
12-13-2008, 05:25 AM
Hes playing a lot better this season. Hes rebounding a lot better, kind of how he did in GS. Hes also shooting the 3 with more confidence.

Do you guys beleive his value went up around the NBA?

Bridge
12-13-2008, 06:07 AM
How can a guy making 10 mil+ suddenly "break out"?

Hicks
12-13-2008, 12:16 PM
How can a guy making 10 mil+ suddenly "break out"?


Analyze his game, not his wallet.

count55
12-13-2008, 03:58 PM
Analyze his game, not his wallet.

Well, since "breakout" connotes a player who has yet to establish himself, and a contract the size of Murph's should indicate that the player has already has, it's a fair question.

However, it's more reflective of poor wording on the part of the OP. Murphy may be "breaking out" of a slump, or he may be returning to prominence, but he's not having what most would consider to be a "break out" season.

That terminology would be more reserved for what Dunleavy did last year, or could be used for what Danny did late last season or this year.

Had the OP shown more care in the presentation of his question, we could've avoided the last three posts (including this one) entirely.