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MillerTime
10-02-2008, 07:30 AM
Everyone says that Granger was the steal of the 2005 draft. Do you guys know where mock drafts had him ranked? Obviously it was before 17th

DGPR
10-02-2008, 07:36 AM
Some mocks had him ranked in the top 5, but a knee injury scared some teams away and he dropped all the way to us at 17.

MillerTime
10-02-2008, 07:37 AM
Some mocks had him ranked in the top 5, but a knee injury scared some teams away and he dropped all the way to us at 17.

Wow 5?? Thats nuts. Lucky his knee didnt act up! That was definately the steal of the draft

Will Galen
10-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Wow 5?? Thats nuts. Lucky his knee didnt act up! That was definately the steal of the draft

Chad Ford of ESPN had him at 5 too. However Bird said in his press conference the next day that the Pacers had Granger ranked number 4 on their board.

Obviously Chris Paul and Deron Williams are better that Danny, but the only other players that would/might be taken before him now are Bogut and Bynum. Maybe Monta Ellis. Still an argument could be made for Danny being the third best player in that draft right now.

croz24
10-02-2008, 11:26 AM
sounds a lot like jerryd bayless...hmmm...bayless was a top 5 talent in the draft no question who some even predicted to go #3. ended up falling to us due to "knee issues", and what do we do? trade him for junk.

Major Cold
10-02-2008, 11:34 AM
sounds a lot like jerryd bayless...hmmm...bayless was a top 5 talent in the draft no question who some even predicted to go #3. ended up falling to us due to "knee issues", and what do we do? trade him for junk.

Where was it reported that this was the reason why people veered away from Bayless? Mocks had him at three for awhile. But I thought he dropped because he was not a PG or a real SG. An arrogant tweener.

Can we wait and see if bayless can play before we compare him to Danny.

mildlysane
10-02-2008, 11:37 AM
sounds a lot like jerryd bayless...and what do we do? trade him for junk.

How could you possibly know that yet? Could you at least give 'em a game or two?

Hicks
10-02-2008, 11:44 AM
I've never read knee concerns about Bayless, but rather possible attitude and whether he's actually a PG or just a SG in a PG's body.

And Rush and Jack are not trash.

Pacers
10-02-2008, 12:30 PM
How could you possibly know that yet? Could you at least give 'em a game or two?

LOL! Here Here!

croz24
10-02-2008, 12:32 PM
the knee concerns came directly from larry bird's mouth...in all my time watching bayless at 'zona, i would have never thought he had an "attitude problem". not sure why people bought into that crap.

Since86
10-02-2008, 12:41 PM
Because I started the rumor. I hope Bayless never finds out, he could probably sue me for his lost wages. :rolleyes:

It's not like it popped out of thin air. Something(s) obviously happened behind the scenes that wasn't public. Unless you deal with him day in and day out, I doubt you would know who he is or how he is.

Speed
10-02-2008, 12:51 PM
They should probably trade Granger for Bayless, right now, but the Pacers would probably have to add two #1s.

I'd probably cut the junk off the team, right now. Maybe BRush and Jarret Jack can catch on in Europe.

croz24
10-02-2008, 01:40 PM
rush and jack will be "junk" relative to the career bayless will have in this league. i apologize for not being a pacers homer. but having attended on average 10-15 pacers games per year since the late '80s early '90s, i believe i'm entitled to such an opinion concerning this team.

Speed
10-02-2008, 01:54 PM
i believe i'm entitled to such an opinion concerning this team.

Fighting with every ounce of my being, to not quote Colonel Jessup....

count55
10-02-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm really beginning to think about stealing grace's sig.

underwave
10-02-2008, 02:09 PM
It's not like it popped out of thin air. Something(s) obviously happened behind the scenes that wasn't public. Unless you deal with him day in and day out, I doubt you would know who he is or how he is.
what was so obvious about granger than?

JayRedd
10-02-2008, 02:32 PM
what was so obvious about granger than?

The spector of structural damage in his knee.

count55
10-02-2008, 02:54 PM
By most accounts, Danny had dropped due to the knee issue. This was something that the Pacers may or may not have been concerned about in the Top 10, but they didn't care about at 17.

As to why Bayless dropped, it's anybody's guess. I can recall no reports about health questions with him, though I do recall unflattering comments about his demeanor. However, none of these were from what I'd consider to be particularly reliable sources. For whatever reason, teams ahead of the Pacers decided that they did not like him (as a player) as well as Mayo, Westbrook, Gordon, or Augustin. It's my belief that there is no conspiracy here. The Pacers just decided they liked the package of Brandon Rush and Jarrett Jack better than they liked Jerryd Bayless. (It's distinctly possible that they may have actually liked Brandon Rush all by himself better than Jerryd Bayless, but we'll never really be able to know that.)


Bayless appears to have the chops to score in the NBA, but there are some very valid questions about whether he'll ever evolve into a point guard. Professional teams don't like 'tweeners. They don't like players that don't fit into nice, neat little molds, and it tends to hurt guys like Bayless. A lot of times, this prejudice comes back and bites teams. Whether this happens with the Pacers or not remains to be seen. If (as I suspect) Bayless ends up a lot closer to a Ben Gordon-type player than an Allen Iverson-type star, then the deal will turn out to have made a great deal of sense as long as Rush and Jack have the good, solid careers that certainly appear within their grasp. If neither Jack, nor more importantly, Brandon Rush, amount to anything, then it will have been a bad trade, regardless of how Bayless turns out.

Speed
10-02-2008, 03:14 PM
I'm really beginning to think about stealing grace's sig.

Awesome, thanks for making me do the legwork, it was worth it.

Since86
10-02-2008, 04:18 PM
The spector of structural damage in his knee.

I'm disappointed it took 23mins to get the reponse.

Obviously character issues and Danny Granger have never been in the same sentence. Dressing issues maybe, I mean some on here want us to believe he's a wannabe pimp. Just absurd I tell you, absurd.

McKeyFan
10-02-2008, 05:57 PM
Be nice if someone posted an actual mock draft that listed Danny higher.

(Or is that lower? Anyway, closer to number one.)

count55
10-02-2008, 06:12 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/mocks/2005_nba_mock_draft.html


1. Milwaukee Andrew Bogut 7-0 251 C Utah So.
2. Atlanta Marvin Williams 6-8 228 SF UNC Fr.
3. *Utah Deron Williams 6-3 202 PG Illinois Jr.
4. NewOrleans Chris Paul 6-1 178 PG Wake Forest So.
5. Charlotte Raymond Felton 6-1 200 PG UNC Jr.
6. *Portland Martell Webster 6-7 230 SG/SF WA HSSr.
7. Toronto Danny Granger 6-9 225 SF New Mex. Sr.

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/story/8506520


13. Charlotte Bobcats

Danny Granger, SF, New Mexico: Granger is a rarity in the game today because of his all-around talent. He was the only player in Division I-A to average 18.0 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 2.0 APG, 2.0 SPG and 2.0 BPG in 2004. The young 'Cats are in a developmental phase still, so Granger could start immediately.

http://www.insidehoops.com/mock-draft-060805.shtml

http://www.nbawire.com/mock-draft/2005-nba-draft.html


13 Charlotte
Point guard
Swingman Danny Granger (6-8/225)
Small Forward / New Mexico

Hicks
10-02-2008, 07:14 PM
I wonder if Danny could ever average 18, 8, 2, 2, 2 in the NBA? I think he could come close if here were exclusively a 3.

JayRedd
10-02-2008, 07:53 PM
He'll never get close to 2.0 blocks. For perspective only 10 guys in the whole League did that last season, a list that does not include KG, Sheed or Zo. Among SFs, Pippen, Marion, Artest, Battier and Tayshaun's career highs are 1.2, 1.7, 0.9, 1.4 and 0.9, respectively. MJ never got above 1.6.

That steal number is rather unlikely too...2.0 is a rather large number. Kobe's only done it once (2.2) and AK-47 never has. In all, only 8 guys got 2.0 or higher last season.

And I'm not tryna be a parade rainer here...But I think 8 rpg is probably a stretch. I could see 7.0 maybe, but there's a BIG leap from 6.1 to 8.0, especially considering how little he plays inside 15 feet.

In better news, he's already done both 18 ppg and 2 apg, however. So there's that.

Naptown_Seth
10-02-2008, 09:49 PM
Where was it reported that this was the reason why people veered away from Bayless? Mocks had him at three for awhile. But I thought he dropped because he was not a PG or a real SG. An arrogant tweener.

Can we wait and see if bayless can play before we compare him to Danny.
Exactly.

What was troubling was that the tryout buzz was that he had a bad attitude. Then suddenly and rather surprisingly that seemed to have some validation when he dropped below DJ Augustin who IMO was just a smaller version of Bayless.

Naptown_Seth
10-02-2008, 10:13 PM
rush and jack will be "junk" relative to the career bayless will have in this league. i apologize for not being a pacers homer. but having attended on average 10-15 pacers games per year since the late '80s early '90s, i believe i'm entitled to such an opinion concerning this team.
Well I went out of my way to watch all the key top prospects this year in preparation for the only exciting Pacer moment I thought we'd have - the draft.

Bayless had me happy. But Rush is not far behind him and they got a great #2 quality PG as well. Both play BETTER defense than Bayless by a large margin.

I don't really know what watching the Pacers play has to do with justifying an opinion of the quality of players that have yet to play in the NBA. If you watched 10+ games of Bayless and Rush focusing specifically on them (and Budinger. Chalmers, Arthur) you wouldn't think of Rush as trash relative to Bayless.

Honestly another big question for Bayless is why did his team struggle despite starting the year with 2 top 15 picks on the roster? Compare their results to those of Texas and look at the surrounding support he and DJ had, DJ somehow had more success than Bayless despite being the lesser talent too.

I really like Bayless for his NBA caliber skills with the ball and his ability to score, but he has yet to show leadership skills and if there is truth to the buzz off an attitude then that's troubling too.

It's all moot, he's in the golden situation and would have to be a monster bomb in order to fail there. He's probably going to lose the ROY vote to Oden. Rush will never be that type of player, he's the prototype team player who gives you a little bit of everything on both ends of the court.

croz24
10-02-2008, 11:48 PM
Well I went out of my way to watch all the key top prospects this year in preparation for the only exciting Pacer moment I thought we'd have - the draft.

Bayless had me happy. But Rush is not far behind him and they got a great #2 quality PG as well. Both play BETTER defense than Bayless by a large margin.

I don't really know what watching the Pacers play has to do with justifying an opinion of the quality of players that have yet to play in the NBA. If you watched 10+ games of Bayless and Rush focusing specifically on them (and Budinger. Chalmers, Arthur) you wouldn't think of Rush as trash relative to Bayless.

Honestly another big question for Bayless is why did his team struggle despite starting the year with 2 top 15 picks on the roster? Compare their results to those of Texas and look at the surrounding support he and DJ had, DJ somehow had more success than Bayless despite being the lesser talent too.

I really like Bayless for his NBA caliber skills with the ball and his ability to score, but he has yet to show leadership skills and if there is truth to the buzz off an attitude then that's troubling too.

It's all moot, he's in the golden situation and would have to be a monster bomb in order to fail there. He's probably going to lose the ROY vote to Oden. Rush will never be that type of player, he's the prototype team player who gives you a little bit of everything on both ends of the court.

to undertand the struggles at 'zona, one must understand the coaching "crisis" that took place as well as the vast number of injuries. to say rush plays that much better defense than bayless is just wrong. bayless was 'zona's top perimeter defender last year and surely has the athletic ability and iq to be a solid defender in the nba. is he as good as rush on the defensive end? no. but he's not THAT far behind. rush is a solid role player no question, but bayless is a star. rush can hit the open j and occasionally post up on offense but that's about it. the problem is, the pacers need a player who can take over games. the pacers need a franchise player. bayless can be that. rush cannot.

Pacersfan46
10-05-2008, 12:34 AM
Could we stop quoting croz please?

Geeeez, I'm trying to ignore him.

:)

-- Steve --

MillerTime
10-05-2008, 01:13 AM
This tread started to talk about where Granger was projected to be draft. Now its a thread comparing Rush and Bayless