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IndyBball
09-30-2008, 03:14 PM
Here is the Mike Wells take on the first day of practice for the new look Pacers!

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080930/SPORTS04/80930076

Indiana Pacers coach Jim O'Brien didn't waste time or words today stressing how defense will determine whether the team returns to the playoffs.

Today's first practice concluded with five-on-five drills, including one in which O'Brien said the only goal was to keep the offense out of the paint. He also reminded his defense the importance of every possession.

O'Brien told players that they allowed 1.5 more points per game than they scored last season.

O'Brien said every possession is potentially a 6-point swing, and told his defense to dive on the floor and come up with loose balls.

Check back later this afternoon as Mike Wells blogs about his first impressions of the new-look Pacers at IndyStar.com/pacersinsider.

Doddage
09-30-2008, 03:21 PM
This should please UB.

Did me too.

Unclebuck
09-30-2008, 03:32 PM
hehehe

That does please me. But more than anything I'm most pleased that basketball is back!!!!!

duke dynamite
09-30-2008, 03:36 PM
hehehe

That does please me. But more than anything I'm most pleased that basketball is back!!!!!

You and me both. Let's get to work, guys!

Since86
09-30-2008, 03:44 PM
hehehe

That does please me. But more than anything I'm most pleased that the NBA is back!!!!!

Fixed.

True basketball fans watch more than just the professionals.:flirt:

Bball
09-30-2008, 04:22 PM
I wasn't thrilled with some of the things we did last year from a coaching standpoint but I held out hope it was all about getting some players some confidence back and seeing what we had in raw ability before really trying to install a more disciplined system once a team was assembled for this season.

-Bball

Jonathan
09-30-2008, 04:23 PM
O'Brien feels Rasho is a weapon. Everytime he gets the ball good things happen.

Hicks
09-30-2008, 04:43 PM
Fixed.

True basketball fans watch more than just the professionals.:flirt:

Oh, good. Person # 23059258205982 to tell us we're not a true fan because of ____________

................ :rolleyes:

Since86
09-30-2008, 04:47 PM
I guess the smiley wasn't enough. Next time I'll wrap the joke with sarcasm tags.

avoidingtheclowns
09-30-2008, 04:49 PM
I guess the smiley wasn't enough. Next time I'll wrap the joke with sarcasm tags.

clearly Hicks isn't a true fan of your work

Putnam
09-30-2008, 07:28 PM
Today's first practice concluded with five-on-five drills, including one in which O'Brien said the only goal was to keep the offense out of the paint. He also reminded his defense the importance of every possession.

O'Brien told players that they allowed 1.5 more points per game than they scored last season.

O'Brien said every possession is potentially a 6-point swing, and told his defense to dive on the floor and come up with loose balls.


The importance of every possession: Great stuff. We're talking about a lot fewer games where the Pacers fall 10 points down in the first quarter.

maragin
09-30-2008, 07:53 PM
The importance of every possession: Great stuff. We're talking about a lot fewer games where the Pacers fall 10 points down in the first quarter.

Not to pick on your quote, but I'm hoping for more results and less talk this year.







Your quote was fine, I just saw a chance to use it out of context to make a point.

Hicks
09-30-2008, 08:18 PM
He's updated it again:


You can't beat Pacers coach Jim O'Brien and the way he runs practices.

O'Brien's the only coach I've covered in the NBA, albeit I've only covered three - Flip Saunders and Rick Carlisle were the other two - that allows the media see more than just free throws and individual drills at the end of practice.

O'Brien allows the media to watch scrimmages. He doesn't hold back voicing his unhappiness if he doesn't like what he sees.

No one should be shocked that the Pacers spent most of Tuesday's practice working on their defense. Jeff Rabjohns will have a story on their defense in Wednesday's paper.

One of the most surprising things I heard out of practice was O'Brien's glowing regard for Rasho Nesterovic's passing ability

O'Brien stopped a drill and told his players to look to give Nesterovic the ball. Not for his scoring, but for his passing.

"Rasho's a weapon," O'Brien said. "For the 15th time, if you pass him the ball something good will happen."

Speaking of passing, Roy Hibbert could be pretty effective distributing the ball from the elbow. He attempted a couple of backdoor passes during practice.

That's good news for Sunshine, who continues to remind me about how much Hibbert will help the Pacers this season.

--I've had some people say the Pacers brought Austin Croshere to camp to help out PR wise.
Don't believe it.
I'm definitely not calling a Croshere a savior or anything like that, but he's on a mission to make the roster and force team officials to possibly cut two players.
I don't recall seeing him miss a shot in the practice.
I think he'll help from the locker room standpoint. He's always carried himself well and did the right things. He also gives great quotes to the media.

--O'Brien is stressing not to over dribble the ball. He constantly told his players to keep the ball moving. He believes over dribbling allows teams to catch their breath. He doesn't want that. He wants constant ball movement so they can wear teams down throughout the game.

I'm fascinated by the fact that both of our two new centers are allegedly quite good passers for their position.

Glad to hear Croshere doing well, too. I'm rooting for him to beat out McRoberts and Baston. Not purely a heart pick, but that's a big part of it.

Speed
09-30-2008, 08:22 PM
Saw some footage on Channel 13 news, one clip of B Rush picking Danny's pocket as he was trying to take him off a pick and roll. Both dove on the floor after B Rush knocked the ball out.

MagicRat
09-30-2008, 09:50 PM
You'd think Wells could've snuck this in somewhere........

Dunleavy misses practice with sore knee

http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=9100899

Kuq_e_Zi91
09-30-2008, 09:54 PM
That concerns me. They go from "the injury doesn't seem to be serious" to "he couldn't practice if he tried."

Hopefully it's nothing and he's 100% by the season opener. My biggest concern would be if it's something that bothers him all season long.

duke dynamite
09-30-2008, 09:55 PM
He'll be okay. This just goes to show how hard this guy works to become the player we was expected to be.

Anthem
09-30-2008, 10:23 PM
:borg: Sunshine has taken control! :borg:

McKeyFan
09-30-2008, 10:49 PM
I wasn't thrilled with some of the things we did last year from a coaching standpoint but I held out hope it was all about getting some players some confidence back and seeing what we had in raw ability before really trying to install a more disciplined system once a team was assembled for this season.

-Bball

Man, for a guy with basically no sunshine rep, that's a darn hopeful interpretation of last year's pitiful offensive schemes.

Sure hope you're right. :sunshine:

Unclebuck
10-01-2008, 09:55 AM
Yeah Channel 13 WTHR had by far the best report last night at about 5:50 (they had a little shorter version in their 11:00 news) Also noticed jack Ramsey was there and seemed to be right in the middle of things - not that I could see if he was helping to coach at all, but he wasn't just sitting along the sidelines

OakMoses
10-01-2008, 10:44 AM
I'm fascinated by the fact that both of our two new centers are allegedly quite good passers for their position.



Using our big men as passers and facilitators was one of the best things that O'Brien did last year. JO and Murphy both averaged over 2 assists a game last season. Foster's assist numbers doubled. Even Harrison was making good passes at times last season. Now we've brought in two bigs (Rasho and Roy) who are both good passers and jump shooters. It sounds like a big in the high post feeding cutters like Rush and Granger and Dunleavy should be quite effective. If we get better at finishing...

CableKC
10-01-2008, 11:33 AM
As Wells suggested...if Croshere is somehow kept......we would have to cut 2 players......I have ZERO problems with cutting McRoberts.

My assumption would be that we could somehow move Tinsley in some "2 for 1" deal to somehow pair down our roster......but if we don't move him.....then who else do we cut?

When is the latest that we have to finalize our roster?

Hicks
10-01-2008, 11:48 AM
I think we have until late October. Probably around the 20th or so?

CableKC
10-01-2008, 11:51 AM
I think we have until late October. Probably around the 20th or so?
So, I guess that means that if we want to keep Croshere over McRoberts..... we have until then to figure out some "2 for 1" deal for Tinsley?

Phildog
10-01-2008, 12:01 PM
You've also got the possibility they keep Croshere on the line until they get the trade done. He may not make the roster right off the bat, but at least he got in here, practiced, learns the scheme for then "the move" takes place

Speed
10-01-2008, 12:23 PM
I wonder what his vet minimum would be for Croshere assuming that is what he is willing to take. Not mutiple years either.

I think they will base there cuts exclusively on who is playing the best, look at James White. They have the guts to cut guys who they may have more invested in.

Although with that said Maceo is a decent expiring contract at 1.97 million, so do you cut him as a trade chip to sign a guy like Croshere who possibly won't even see the floor. Just some thoughts.

With that said I would guess Grahm is the oddest man out, then McBob, unless they see some major potential there. Anyway those are your bottom two salaries at 826k and 711 respectively. You have to think this is the way they would go.

JayRedd
10-01-2008, 12:40 PM
I wonder what his vet minimum would be for Croshere assuming that is what he is willing to take. Not mutiple years either.

About $1.3 million.

If you cut Graham and McRoberts, you're still paying under $3 million for the roster spot, so the dough isn't really a concern if they really want him on the team, which I have to imagine they really do at this point.

He can play the Chris Mullin in his final year role for us -- hitting threes off the bench (obviously with a little less accuracy, but his career % will go up due to J'OB's system) and providing a stable vet presence to the young'ns. Not only is he a seasoned NBA professional who acts like a professional, but he knows the city better than just about a single other player in the League and can help guide Brandon, Roy, TJ (and even Danny, MDJ) about what types of community relationships to make, where they can hang out without getting shot at and all that "inside playing NBA ball in Indy" stuff.

When Larry was talking sly a while back something about "an unexpected leader" will show up, I'm not so sure he didn't already have at least the beginnings of this idea already discussed with Austin. Makes so much sense.

Plus, he's white.

Hicks
10-01-2008, 02:02 PM
Plus, he's white.

All,

I don't want to see this again. Even when it's a joke.

CableKC
10-01-2008, 02:15 PM
Yeah...if we are forced to keep Tinsley on the roster ( cuz we can't trade him ) and intend to keep Croshere.....push comes to shove....I would much rather keep Baston ( I think he will fit in well under JO'Bs system ) and cut Graham/McRoberts.

Any garbage mintues that Graham would get could easily be given to Rush and Shawne.

obnoxiousmodesty
10-01-2008, 05:38 PM
Well it looks like our boy Hicks has gotten his wish--a question answered! Here is Wells' blog from today, October 1:

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2008/10/pick_roll_dunk.html



Pick. Roll. Dunk.

Posted by Mike Wells

I got an email from a "hardcore" fan this morning asking about how the Pacers plan to defend the pick-and-roll this season.

That's a good question, especially since opposing point guards were able to pad their assists total and big men could increase their field goal percentage by dunking all the time against the Pacers pick-and-roll defense.

I remember Josh Boone dunking and laying the ball up for 21 first-half points against the Pacers because they couldn't defend the play in a game in late March. Devin Harris made them pay for going under the screen by knocking down open jump shots. That's just one of several examples.

Jeff Rabjohns touched on it in his story today, but here's what Pacers coach Jim O'Brien says about their pick-and-roll defense.

"(In the past) we blitzed all pick-and-rolls on the side," O'Brien said. "Now we are what we call 'blue,' which is our signal for sending the ball handler on the side pick-and-roll down to the corner to the baseline so it'll keep our bigger guys closer to home, closer to the lane than they have been in the past.

"We're starting out the year attacking the offensive glass. We rarely had more than two people attack the offensive glass. We're attacking with three, which will put more pressure in practice on our defense from the standpoint the defense will have to hit people more in practice than they did last year."

The addition of T.J. Ford and Jarrett Jack should allow the Pacers to defend the pick-and-roll better because both players should be able to get over top the pick.

As you guys may already know, Travis Diener is out indefinitely with a sore left foot. Diener's soreness is in the same foot he had surgery on to remove bone spurs from his left big toe in May.

Mike Dunleavy (knee) also didn't practice today, but there's a chance he could practice tomorrow.

Hicks
10-01-2008, 05:46 PM
I guess he thought it was funny when I used the word "hardcore." :D