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Lord Helmet
09-29-2008, 05:31 PM
:ravens: (2-0) The Ravens would like to jump on the Steelers' offense when it's down, and hold on to their lead on the AFC North.

:steelers: (2-1) After scoring only 6 points in a loss to state-rival Philadelphia, the Steelers hope to get their offense back on track.

Time: 8:30 PM ET

Location: Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA

Television: :espn:

ChicagoJ
09-29-2008, 06:08 PM
Great preview here. I am so pumped up for a real football game tonight (as opposed to the no-hitting/ no-defense Arena Football League crap that has aired the past couple of weeks.)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08273/915930-66.stm

ChicagoJ
09-29-2008, 06:12 PM
The better question is this:

Will either defense give up 10+ points tonight?

And will either defense score 10+ points tonight?

"Yes" to the second question is more likely than "yes" to the first question.

Slick Pinkham
09-29-2008, 09:52 PM
Not feelin' these Steelers uniforms tonight.

When were these used?

not too attractive, IMO

Natston
09-29-2008, 11:42 PM
I really wish Polian would build the Colts like the Steelers, because they don't get ran on... :rolleyes:

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 10:57 AM
Those uniforms were used in 63ish and last season. Yeah, they are f-ugly.

That's about as bad as a win can get - losing Kendall Simmons for the season when the O-line was already patchwork around him means that Ben won't survive the season without a major injury.

Losing Mendenhall for the season, who was supposed to provide some depth around Fragile Willie Parker is a big loss.

By November, we'll have Leftwich handing the ball to Gary Russell. This just might be the Ravens' turn to win the division.

It was nice to shut down the thier running game with Aaron Smith and the Backups. But I was impressed with Flacco and the Ravens' ball control offense.

Yeah, I know, all teams have injuries. But some of these are injuries to our most important, physical players.

Hines Ward might be getting old before our very eyes. Limas Sweed better figure out how to get ready to play and make the active roster. We need some speed along the outside because our interior protection is not up to Steelers standards.

idioteque
09-30-2008, 11:28 AM
I really wish Polian would build the Colts like the Steelers, because they don't get ran on... :rolleyes:

If you want a run defense with lineman built like your third grade teacher be my guest.

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 12:04 PM
If you want a run defense with lineman built like your third grade teacher be my guest.

Yeah, it works pretty well for the two best defenses at stopping the run, year after year (that would be Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

You do actually realize the football games are won in the trenches, not by players in the "skill positions", right?

We played last night's game with 2/3 of our starting DL on the inactive list, and kept the "#1 rushing offense" (statistically) coming into the game under control (103 yards on 33 carries).

Our backup third-grade teachers > 25 other starting DLs in the NFL.

Since86
09-30-2008, 12:42 PM
Do I really need to dig up all those stats from last year again, Jay.

Pitt averaged giving up more yards per carry than Indy did last year. Indy was ran on more times a game, thus giving up more yards per game.

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Year after year. Not your one-year "had a big lead so nobody ran on us" anomally.

There's a difference between "had good run-defense stats for a year" and "nobody has ANY success whatsoever running the ball against us and hasn't for years."

Baltimore has gone 22 straight games without giving up a 100-yard rushing performance, the longest streak in the NFL. The Steelers have given up one 100-yard rushing game in the past 38 games, to Fred Taylor last season (after Aaron Smith had a season-ending injury the week before and our run defense wasn't very good at all during weeks 14-17 and the playoffs.)

Two if you count the Ravens adding up to 100 yards of rushing last night spread over several different ball carriers.

In fairness, three when you include Bush (49) and McAllister (56) teamed up for 107 yards in a shootout against the Steelers in '06 when the Steelers were reeling and 2-6 at the time.

Tomlinson? Shut down.
Larry Johnson? Shut down.
Edge? Shut down.
Jamaal Lewis? Shut down.
Rudi Johnson? Shut down since his 100 yard game on 10/3/2004, the previous 100-yard rushing game against the Steelers defense.
Shaun Alexander? Shut down.
Westbrook? Shut down.

Anyone else you want name? Shut down.

So here's the deal, you can throw out any stat you want, as long as it is as impressive as either the Steelers or Ravens continued mastery of run defense.

The Ravens not only shut down all of those same guys, but they've handled Willie Parker pretty well along the way, too.

EDIT - if you are going to bring them up, can you also re-sample those stats from last season thru Week #14, when Aaron Smith got hurt? From re-looking at the stats, I think we might have given up more yards rushing in weeks 15-18 than weeks 1-14. We did not finish the season strong at all.

idioteque
09-30-2008, 02:04 PM
Yeah, it works pretty well for the two best defenses at stopping the run, year after year (that would be Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

You do actually realize the football games are won in the trenches, not by players in the "skill positions", right?

We played last night's game with 2/3 of our starting DL on the inactive list, and kept the "#1 rushing offense" (statistically) coming into the game under control (103 yards on 33 carries).

Our backup third-grade teachers > 25 other starting DLs in the NFL.

I actually agree with you and I think you misread what I was trying to say. Last week I stated the Colts need to stop relying on gimmicky skill position players and start building a team like the Steelers who win games in the trenches. Natstoned (I think) tried to refute that today. Or maybe I just read him wrong, I don't know. Point is I believe the Steelers, as currently and most of the time historically constructed, are put together much better than the Colts of today and even recent past. The Colts are the team with third grade teacher linemen.

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 02:08 PM
Oh, got it. My bad.

I thought you referring to my third grade teacher as fat and physical.

:fatbanana

SoupIsGood
09-30-2008, 02:37 PM
Jay your third grade teachers must have been frightening men. :eek:

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 02:41 PM
SHE was frightening, no doubt.

ChicagoJ
09-30-2008, 04:18 PM
Point is I believe the Steelers, as currently and most of the time historically constructed, are put together much better than the Colts of today and even recent past.

I wish that were true, but I don't think the Steelers have stuck to thier identity on the offensive side of the ball. That line is not particuarly good, and that was BEFORE Simmons tore his achilles last night. That is a big loss for us.

I have no complaints about our D-line.

Natston
09-30-2008, 11:24 PM
Natstoned (I think) tried to refute that today. Or maybe I just read him wrong, I don't know. Point is I believe the Steelers, as currently and most of the time historically constructed, are put together much better than the Colts of today and even recent past. The Colts are the team with third grade teacher linemen.

It wasn't directed towards you specifically :), but it was towards that general sentiment though. My point being that, the Steelers aren't what they used to be and dare I say... LIKE THE COLTS. They use wussy strategy like shotgun formations, passes to the RB, No huddle offense, playing off the crowd noise, non leather helmets and shoes.

ChicagoJ
10-01-2008, 11:45 AM
I sense you're being a bit ironic with your post, but I'll play along anyway.

The screen play was Chuck Noll's favorite and Cowher used it extensivley? We've always passed to the RB. We rarely play with three WRs (except in obvious passing situations) and the TE is usually an undersized OT with somewhat decent hands that used for protection and bailout passes. So the RB has always been a critical part of our passing game. Who was the "receiver" downfield for the Immaculate Recption? Franco Harris.

Our defense has always played off crowd noise - ever seen a picture of Three Rivers Stadium during the 70s, with Terrible Towels waving? That was one of the two loudest non-enclosed stadiums. When Lambert, or Gregg Lloyd, or Gildon/ Porter were taking over a game, the crowd was a big part of it, too.

We've used the wussy shotgun formation with various QBs since the 80s, but O'Donnell and Maddox were less mobile than others so we used it more with them. But yes, when it was put in for Cliff Stoudt, the good citizens of Pittsburgh almost revolted because previously that was only used for immobile "wimps" like Staubach. (Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.)

Leather helmets? Those sound better than the hideous yellow throw-back helmets.

Shoes? Ben tried to play without one of those the other night. Didn't work well. I highly recommend shoes.

In spite of all those changes, the identity of the Steelers is still rooted in thier O-line and D-line/ front seven. Without those, the other things aren't even possible. We aren't "as good as" our 3-1 record because the weakness of our O-line will catch up with us as the season progresses. We'll need a lot of defensive touchdowns, just like the one on Monday night, to win games.

Here's the gimmick I'm worried about - overpaying your franchise quarterback while neglecting your O-line.

McClintic Sphere
10-01-2008, 04:47 PM
Pittsburgh still sucks.

Natston
10-03-2008, 12:26 AM
Here's the gimmick I'm worried about - overpaying your franchise quarterback while neglecting your O-line.

How exactly did the Colts neglect the o-line? If you mean they failed to acquire quality third stringers, then yes I would agree.

ChicagoJ
10-03-2008, 12:04 PM
I'm not sure the Colts have done that since Old Man Irsay traded his OT, WR, and legit starting QB for George. By that time, I swore off "watching two teams" and stuck 100% to the Steelers. So I have no idea. That wasn't a comment on the current Colts. In fact, its probably more true of the Chargers these days.

In Pittsburgh, Roethlesberger now has a $105 million contract, Faneca is gone, Marvel Smith might be next and Simmons is out for the year. After having only four different starting centers in 35 years, we've had two in the last two seasons.

We're 3-1 right now but this season is just a disaster in the making.

Sollozzo
10-03-2008, 04:57 PM
The Colts kept Glenn and Saturday, their most important offensive linemen, around as long as possible. And Glenn is only not here because he made the personal decision that he didn't have any thing left to give to football.

I think they'll keep Jeff around.