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Skaut_Ech
09-24-2008, 10:04 AM
I DVR'ed it and watched it last night. Man, was I disappointed. I guess they decidede to throw all characterizations out the window and make everyone an idiot. Some of my gripes?

*Hiro-Hiro used to be an honorable, thoughtful guy. Now he just wants to have fun and damn the reprecussions. He comes across as an egomanic who'll do anything and defy anyone to satisfy his lust for adventure. Man, they screwed him up.

*Peter-Another previously thoughtful, empathetic guy. Now he's just an unthinking one man wrecking crew.

*Mohinder-Yeah, let's spend all last season building up your quest for knowledge to honor your father and help others, then make you do a 180 personality shift and turn you into a reckless power seeker with dubious motives. Him and Hiro used to be the moral center of the show. Now they're just some selfish jerk looking out for themselves. Given the state of the world, it never occurred to Mohinder that given the destructive traits of society, that maybe giving EVERYONE superpowers might just lead to the end of not only civilization, but the world in, oh....about six months?

*Parkman- Hey moron! You're in the desert. Wearing black. And long sleeves. It never occurred to you to take off your outer shirt and cover your head with it? Mr. Detective using that ole grey matter, huh?

Wow, they just threw everything out the window and remade almost every "hero" as a self-centered jerk. :wtf:

At least I got to stare at the hottest looking character on television for two hours: Maya :drool:





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Major Cold
09-24-2008, 10:10 AM
I like how a wicker closet door kept Silar from Claire.

This is intentional. This season is called villains. It is an attempt to express the duality in everyone.

Kstat
09-24-2008, 11:25 AM
Yeah, the point of the chapter went a little far over your head...

If you didn't already catch the other hint, many of the villians are going to be "heroes" themselves in chapter 3. Sylar is clearly going to be fighting on the good side.

Skaut_Ech
09-24-2008, 11:52 AM
I understand what they're going for, but you don't throw away all previous characterization to do it.

That's like exploring duality by having Batman start petting kittens and Superman killing people. It was WAY overboard for me. That's not exploration. That's mischaracterization. It just didn't work for me. My biggest gripe is that previously intelligent people are suddenly acting like 10 year olds.

Kstat
09-24-2008, 11:57 AM
[QUOTE=Skaut_Ech;783372]I understand what they're going for, but you don't throw away all previous characterization to do it.

That's like exploring duality by having Batman start petting kittens and Superman killing people. [QUOTE]

...except those aren't rounded characters. Heroes isn't about superheroes, they're about normal people with extraordinary powers.

Suaveness
09-24-2008, 02:36 PM
I figure Sylar will switch over once one of the level 5 people kicks his *** around a bit. At least Sylar is entertaining.

Trader Joe
09-24-2008, 03:36 PM
I'm so far behind in this show, it's nuts. Is it worth catching up on?

I know Hayden is still looking fine as hell, so that's one point for catching up.

DisplacedKnick
09-24-2008, 07:51 PM
Peter was OK because it was 4 years in the future Peter. However Saresh deciding to dope himself up without any testing was goofy- and now he has leprosy.

Same as last season from what I've seen. OK & mildly amusing but a big drop from Season 1.

kester99
09-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Indy, I think it's worth catching up...the writers for the show have proven to be pretty together in the past. Still one of the more entertaining shows on TV.

N8R
09-26-2008, 12:40 AM
Since when did Jessica/Whatever she called herself have the power to freeze thing/people? Or if that really not her?

Also the door that stopped Syler was funny yo me as well. I was like why are you not punching a hole in that door. Not that hard there buddy.

DisplacedKnick
09-26-2008, 08:27 AM
Since when did Jessica/Whatever she called herself have the power to freeze thing/people? Or if that really not her?


I figure it's her Evil Twin Sister and we'll find out Jessica only created Nikki to defend herself against ETS.

Who knows - I believe this show is going to head down the Lost trail of completely ignoring the rules of internal consistency.

Skaut_Ech
09-26-2008, 08:41 AM
I figure it's her Evil Twin Sister and we'll find out Jessica only created Nikki to defend herself against ETS.

Who knows - I believe this show is going to head down the Lost trail of completely ignoring the rules of internal consistency.

Perfectly encapsulates what I was saying. I'll stick with it to see what happens, but Lost eventually made me turn away and I never looked back. I hope Heroes doesn't do the same.

N8R
09-26-2008, 08:54 AM
I also like seeing Marlo on this season of Heroes from The Wire.

DisplacedKnick
09-26-2008, 10:38 AM
Perfectly encapsulates what I was saying. I'll stick with it to see what happens, but Lost eventually made me turn away and I never looked back. I hope Heroes doesn't do the same.

I didn't watch a Lost ep last season. With Heroes I'm at the point right now where I'll watch it if it's convenient but I've lost enough interest to where I doubt I'll even bother pushing the record button when I have something else going on.

Unclebuck
09-26-2008, 11:02 AM
I enjhoyed the first season quite a bit. Did not watch any of the second season, so I decided to give the 2 hour premiere a chance but it just really didn't hold my attention.

It is always great to see actors from the Wire do other shows - more than anything it just gives a little indication just how good the Wire is, because the actors never seem nearly as compelling on other shows

robocop's cousin
09-28-2008, 02:08 AM
I liked the 1st episode of the new season
glad it's back

Kstat
09-29-2008, 09:52 PM
ok...those level 5 villains were pretty disappointing.

we're all of 3 eps in and 2 are frickin dead already, and the other two got brushed aside by Syler like they weren't even there.

Those guys were 2 levels more dangerous than Syler why, exactly?

In the meantime, Syler has found a 560th new cool ability, making him 50 times as powerful as anybody else in the show except Peter.

In contrast, all the other heroes are looking less special and more boring because either Syler or Peter already HAS all of their abilities, or both.

The only other characters left remotely interesting are Hiro and the speed girl, but either Syler or Peter will absorb her power too.

I was on board with the first 2 eps because I thought the level 5 villains would provide a collective equal for Syler. Now it's just become the Peter and Syler show, with little side-stories.

Suaveness
09-29-2008, 11:34 PM
That's really how I felt. I was expecting mroe out of the level 5 villains, considering all the protection they used to have them contained. What's the point of the buildup if Sylar just kicks their *** anyway?

Trader Joe
10-02-2008, 02:24 AM
Syler is a good guy now? I'm not sure I could comprehend this.

N8R
10-02-2008, 08:59 AM
I wouldnt call him good. He did kill the one guy to take his power. I do agree that it is Syler vs peter for who can get more powers. I still like the show for other reasons that just the super powers though.

Major Cold
10-02-2008, 09:57 AM
Every Hero has a villain. The villains may not be people. That makes them ordinary people with super powers. But now it seems that Syler and Peter (future Peter that is) are Super Hero and Super Villain.

But wouldn't present Peter absorb Future Peter's powers?

Peck
10-08-2008, 04:14 AM
I try to be patient with shows and frankly I've really liked hero's up to this point.

However right now I'm getting a little sick of the whole time travel thing. To me it is deminishing the powers that the people have at present. Instead of using them in the here and now for the benefit or detriment of mankind it is all about what is in the future or what might be or what could be or well you get it.

I like the characters, I still like the show, but right now I'm starting to get a little drug down by the whole time jumping thing.

Skaut_Ech
10-15-2008, 06:22 AM
I think I may be jumping ship. Too many other well written shows to get behind to better spend my time upon. Too bad. Check out this review of last episode, which seems to have brought up some point I made earlier.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38713
Somebody’s Dad Turns Up On Tonight’s HEROES!! Too Late??



<!-- start main content --> <!--<base href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38713/">--> <b>I am – Hercules!! (Herculesaicn@yahoo.com)


The ratings for “Heroes” continue their steep slide (“How I Met Your Mother” drew a bigger rating for the first time last Monday) and I have to admit I’ve finally decided to join the multitude jumping ship. We finally meet Arthur Petrelli tonight (played by Robert Forster, who looks nothing like the Arthur Petrelli we saw in that group photo), but I cannot get excited about the debut of Nathan and Peter’s pop. Following Peter’s ludicrous showdown at FutureSylar’s house, I have zero confidence left in this series’ writers.

(If Nathan’s laughable “flight” last week was any indication, NBC-Universal may no longer have enough confidence in the show to give it a reasonable effects budget. It reminded me of the hideous flying effects that attended "Superman IV" as Cannon tried to milk just a few more dollars out of that spent franchise.)
From Wikipedia’s entry on “idiot plot” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_plot):
In literary and film criticism, an idiot plot is a plot which (in the words of the Turkey City Lexicon), "functions only because all the characters involved are idiots: They behave in a way that suits the author's convenience, rather than through any rational motivation of their own." Alternate formulations describe only the protagonist as being an idiot.
And, indeed, Peter, Nathan, Noah, Angela, Hiro, Claire, Sylar and other major characters all seem to have had most of their IQs slowly sapped away by the Haitian over the last two seasons.
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Sorry, Heroes. I'll watch if I'm in front of the TV, but I'm putting Life on Mars in your viewing slot and pin my hopes for entertaining Sci-Fi on Fringe.

N8R
10-15-2008, 09:44 AM
I still like it and will continue to watch.

Major Cold
10-15-2008, 12:23 PM
I am about to jump ship.

Suaveness
10-15-2008, 06:09 PM
It's a little dull, I gotta say. I was expecting more.

Stryder
10-15-2008, 06:52 PM
I'm close to jumping ship to other shows...

N8R
10-15-2008, 10:39 PM
For me there is nothing else on at that time so there is no problem. Any conflicts that I have I just download one or the other.

Suaveness
10-17-2008, 01:37 AM
There's no conflicts for me, but I could certainly find something else to watch. Where the hell is Kristen Bell??

Knucklehead Warrior
10-17-2008, 12:17 PM
I'm gone as well.
The show has a middle, no beginning, no end, nothing is ever resolved, only more added. I'm pretty tired of people getting their heads sliced off and the only interaction people have is when someone is about to be killed or threatened. Yawn.

Stryder
10-17-2008, 10:45 PM
Also, all the time jumping is kind of ridiculous. It loses effect when it happens all the time. You start getting into some very strange paradoxes, also.

Suaveness
10-20-2008, 10:01 PM
That was a better episode

Kstat
10-21-2008, 02:41 AM
much better. It actually gave the series a worthy villain and a purpose.

DisplacedKnick
10-21-2008, 06:33 AM
First time I've seen it in a couple of weeks - and you're right, it didn't totally suck.

So - how did Syler become one of the good guys in 3 weeks? And last I saw Saresh was going down a dark path but I didn't think he was going to become a Nazi.

I still don't see how the show has any internal consistency - unless you decide that people can change their core beliefs and values as easily as crossing the street.

Skaut_Ech
10-21-2008, 08:00 AM
I still don't see how the show has any internal consistency - unless you decide that people can change their core beliefs and values as easily as crossing the street.

"Hi, I'm Peter Petrelli. I used to be pensive and thoughtful, but now I go off half cocked and attempt to attack a corporation I know nothing about, without any planning, type of plan or real rationale for doing it."

Peter's just become an unthinking battering ram who tries to solve everything with his fists. I watched last night for one last time, and despite the fact that I love Robert Forrester(sp?), I just took Heroes off my DVR list.
The shows devolved into "Oooh, look, a fight. OooO, look, someone else is fighting." The lack of consistancy is maddening.

Major Cold
10-21-2008, 08:14 AM
"Hi, I'm Peter Petrelli. I used to be pensive and thoughtful, but now I go off half cocked and attempt to attack a corporation I know nothing about, without any planning, type of plan or real rationale for doing it."

Peter's just become an unthinking battering ram who tries to solve everything with his fists. I watched last night for one last time, and despite the fact that I love Robert Forrester(sp?), I just took Heroes off my DVR list.
The shows devolved into "Oooh, look, a fight. OooO, look, someone else is fighting." The lack of consistancy is maddening.


I am trying to rationalize his change and I can't. If his aggression came after getting Sylar's power I might understand. It barely seems to fuel the aggression more than before. Is Peter more irrationally angry because he lost the Irish Girl? How do we know? There is no carry over dialogue from the previous season.


I will be honest last night was better. With the time travel we know that Peter gets his power back. The thing that I hate is that they try to have mystery when we all know how the future. When you mess with the timeline to this extreme, characters and even the plot gets muddled.

Kstat
10-21-2008, 12:11 PM
First time I've seen it in a couple of weeks - and you're right, it didn't totally suck.

So - how did Syler become one of the good guys in 3 weeks? And last I saw Saresh was going down a dark path but I didn't think he was going to become a Nazi.

I still don't see how the show has any internal consistency - unless you decide that people can change their core beliefs and values as easily as crossing the street.

Sylar wasn't evil, he was sick- his power made him what he became (he was never a murderous watch-maker), and he's in recovery.

Peter is suffering from the same sickness Sylar suffered from. The difference is he's completely unfamiliar with it, and he can't control it.

Surresh- he admitted he was wrong and remorseful in his final memo. "I fear what I am become." It's very likely the drug he injected himself with took control of his impulses after that.

naptownmenace
10-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Who knows - I believe this show is going to head down the Lost trail of completely ignoring the rules of internal consistency.

I see what you're saying but totally have to disagree with you on Lost. They haven't ignored or changed the rules of internal consistency. They've expanded by adding more characters and their story arcs but they've kept the main characters pretty consistent.

Heroes has jumped the shark and the writers strike killed the show's momentum, IMO.

Skaut_Ech
10-21-2008, 02:57 PM
Sylar wasn't evil, he was sick- his power made him what he became (he was never a murderous watch-maker), and he's in recovery.

Peter is suffering from the same sickness Sylar suffered from. The difference is he's completely unfamiliar with it, and he can't control it.

Surresh- he admitted he was wrong and remorseful in his final memo. "I fear what I am become." It's very likely the drug he injected himself with took control of his impulses after that.

But he WAS a murderous watchmaker. Yeah, his power affected him, but he was a mass murderer. I DO think it's interesting what they're doing with him. Looks like they're setting him up to be a savior, which is weird.

Peter has been doing this all season, BEFORE he got Sylar's powers. Pete gets angry or decides to do something, then just does it with nary a thought. The only time he reconsidered is when he said maybe he was mucking things up with all of his time traveling. Pete's been the equivalent of "Hulk Smash" since the new season started. Makes no sense and was my biggest disappointment.

I guess this season's theme is "Powers. They makes ya Kuh-rahzee!"

N8R
10-22-2008, 05:20 AM
I liked it. But knowing the future is a pain in the butt. The first thing I thought of when Peter lost his abilities was 'how does he get them back cause he has them in the future.'

I will continue to watch. Just one of those shows.

Suaveness
10-24-2008, 12:30 AM
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20235213,00.html?cnn=yes