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juadam09
09-19-2008, 02:10 PM
My personal opinion is Mark is just trying to shift the attention away from Howard. While I agree the emails were just proof of how immature some people can be (and I almost cried, laughed, and then cried again when I ready the person who said he should be sent to Indiana) but the underlying theme raises a good point to me. Nothing has been done, and at the very least [I would like to think in Cubans shoes] I would have issues a statement saying what Josh Howard did was wrong but that we would work with him on way to better improve his image to the public.

(ADMIN, I am not sure if this is to political for Pacers Digest. If it is I apologize)

http://blogmaverick.com/



Thanks for the advice on Josh

Sep 18th 2008 10:53PM

I wanted to thank all of you who took the time to email me with your comments on how best to deal with Josh. They were so good, I thought I would share a few of them with everyone. Including the email addresses of those who were bold enough to use real email addresses.

Josh realizes his comments were wrong, he understands why people are upset. He knows he has made a mistake, has apologized and will work with us . Beyond that, its a private issue.

What about the people who gave me the following advice ?

Author : Barack Obama (IP: 64.12.117.196 , cache-mtc-ah04.proxy.aol.com)
E-mail : Nigga4life@coon.com
URL : http://Watermellon
Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=64.12.117.196
Comment:
JOSH HOWARD IS NOTHING BUT A DUMB COON ******. SOMEONE NEEDS TO TEACH HIS MONKEY *** SOME DAM RESPECT FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
From: “Tyree, Pam” <ptyree@nwcouncil.org> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/18/2008 11:18 AM
Subject: Howard
This ahole is just as anti American as you are Cuban! What a disgusting bunch.
rom: “Billy Leto” <billy.leto@gmail.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/18/2008 09:20 AM
Subject: are you kidding me?
MC,
Tell Howard that him and Hussein Obama can go to another country and live if they don’t want to support our symbol of freedom.–
Billy
From: Donald Joy <donaldgjoy@yahoo.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/18/2008 09:20 AM
Subject: Howard’s(and the rest of them) anti-American, thuggish remarks/attitude
These black criminals that you people coddle and cultivate are the reason why I no longer watch/follow professional sports. Sickening.
From: “Riley Johnson” <Riley.Johnson@directs.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/18/2008 09:14 AM
Subject: Ask Mark Cuban
Hey Mark, I’ve always loved the way you ran your team and respected a large amount of your opinions. Regardless, I have to stop supporting the Mavs. Why? Because I don’t support POS, America-bashing people like Josh Howard. Tell that spoiled pansy that his lifestyle is only made possible by the marvelous experiment that is America, and to take his bs to Russia if he’s going to talk down our national anthem. Until he’s off the team, you guys are off the TV.
From: christopher.wolff@comcast.net Add Address to Contacts
To: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com,<mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/17/2008 11:28 PM
Subject: josh howard
This the first time I have e mailed any one of this stature you have to be kidding me I have always admired you and I am a warriors fan Don Nelson or not. Fire that *** hole this is America send him to Iraq No wonder kids act the way they do this is there role model they have no clue what we have been through in our history and how we became this country we all have faults but this is not the 60`s if it was he would of been hanged. I suppose that he thinks all the fireman, police and innocent citizens in 911 should of died also only in America could this happen and thats the point he does not get.
From: Larry Smith <sdnco99@hotmail.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/17/2008 08:51 PM
Subject: Your boy
You need to get rid of your ****** howard before you go down with him!
From: “Manuel Rodriguez” <manuel_rodriguez_7126@yahoo.com> Add Address to Contacts

Cc: <Mark.Cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/17/2008 10:09 PM
Subject: Maverick Josh Howard

You better get that piece of work out of your team for talking and disrespecting the national anthem or you are going to pay the price for it….. What kind of org. allows a looser and an idiot play for them? You are so low you make me vomit!!!! If you allow a hate of America play for your team, you also Hate AMERICA. GET OUT OF HERE!!!!

Have a Blessed Day:

Manuel A. Rodriguez

Name: Roger
Email: rconnally@hotmail.com
Website:

Dude: Worry less about why the financial world and more about that unpatriotic coon you have on your team.

Time: Wednesday September 17, 2008 at 10:07 pm
IP Address: 68.238.150.29

From: vxsmith@aol.com Add Address to Contacts
To: Mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/18/2008 08:58 PM
Subject: Josh Howard
You need to fire that SOB immediately. However, given your political leaning and anti-US film producer credits, I doubt you have the nuts for it. Wouldn’t be surprised if you encouraged him. Do the right thing…dump that dumb *******.
From: George Bannon <georgebannon@sbcglobal.net> Add Address to Contacts
To: markcuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/18/2008 08:25 PM
Subject: MARK & TEAM NEED TO MOVE TEAM AND YOU TO MOSCOW RUSSIA OR CUBA OR CHINA ETC.ETC.
1ST STRIKE - YOU HAD THE ANTI-AMERICAN CANADIAN PIG VOMIT ON YOUR TEAM
2ND STRIKE - YOU FUNDED ANTI-AMERICAN/TROOPS MOVIE
3RD STRIKE - “I DONT DO THIS ****’ DURING MY NATIONAL ANTHEM - THIS NATION MADE YOU PIG VOMITS RICH BEYOND MY DREAMS AND THIS IS HOW YOU REPAY US. THREE STRIKES YOUR OUT! TELL PIG VOMIT HE IS FREE TO MOVE OUT OF MY COUNTRY ANYTIME HE WANTS. TRY CHINA,THEY HAVE FREE SPEACH - NOT!

Sir,

How dare you defend this Josh Howard piece of ****. After his disrespect, at the very least, you should have transferred his *** to the Euro league. He doesn’t like America? Well screw him. I’ve been around the world, defending America. Hell, I haven’t even had the opportunity to live in my own country since 1995. I can assure you many people, with IQ’s higher than a shoe lace, would gladly trade places with this ingrate punk. As long as you protect him and make excuses for him you carry equal guilt. I would immediately have any person in my employ fired and have his security clearance yanked for expressing such an opinion. I could retire on 1/20th of this ******** salary, and all he does is play ball and trash the country which provides him the opportunity to make such a living. Send him to REALITY, where he should be; bagging groceries and/or in prison.

Tommy Lee Frederick
Systems Technician - Warrior Training Center, U.S. Forces Korea
Unit 15596 Camp Casey, Korea APO AP 96224-5596
DSN 315.730.1645

COM +82.31.869.1645

EMAIL: frederickt@korea.army.mil

From: “stephen rogers” <stevadore@cableone.net> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/17/2008 09:34 PM
Subject: Ask Mark Cuban
Mr. Cuban,
Just saw your ****** Josh Howard disresepct the national anthem because he is black. According to the news you say he is a really great guy. Of course he is because he makes you lots of money you greedy *******.
You would rather sell out your own country that my dead father fought for in WW II than than lose a buck by firing this black *******.
You are nothing more than a ****** slave owner milking him for all his black *** can get you.
YOU, SIR IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY. YOU AND THAT ****** YOU CALL NICE.
There’s lots of black dick on that team, get busy. White power is coming back because of race traitors like you.
Know what you get when you cross a ****** and a white ****** lover ? a WHIGGER. THAT IS YOU !!!!
Mark WHIGGER Cuban. A White storm is brewing Mr. Cuban, you and those ******s like you better evacuate.
From: Jeffrey Miller <imjeff49@yahoo.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/17/2008 08:14 PM
Subject: Ask Mark Cuban
You need to get rid of NIGGARS like Josh Howard.
Email: joejujo@yahoo.com
Website:why on earth would you keep the piece of embarrassing ghetto trash named Josh Howard?
I will no longer cheer for the mavs.
Go Spurs!
heffernan2@aol.com

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“I don’t even celebrate that ****. I’m black.”

You & Howard…two peas in a pod.
Don’t think we’ve forgotten about that Brian De Palma anti-military propaganda film, “Redacted”, that you produced, Cuban
Ya might tell Howard the next time you talk to him, that if not for America, he’d probably be be throwing spears in Africa someplace instead of free-throws.

Semper Fi,
M.E. Heffernan
jax2545

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I will not watch the mavericks play again,as long as Josh Howard plays ….. Thats it for me ….. What this animal said about the American flag has turned my stomach..
joe
Mark-
Hope this finds you well.
I am anxiously awaiting word on your
move on the Cubs-if you buy them-keep
Trammel in the dugout-he is why they are
where they are now (coaching-wise that is).
Now, on the Josh Howard thing-the whole National
Anthem thing is bothersome. Put the ruler across
his knuckles-and remind him that that National Anthem
is the reason he is so ridiculously over paid, even though
he probably went to maybe 2% of his classes at Wake-and
probably can’t balance his own checkbook!
Would like to talk films with you soon. Daniel J. Heffner (my producing
partner) and I have 3 wonderful scripts, and my financing won’t be ready
for another 45 days. Need a partner-all 5M budgets or less-and the
scripts are good enough to garner Oscar winning actors. Further to that,
Dan already has Maple distributing one of them-so we are squared away
and I need to get started on 2 of them asap.
All the best,
Matthew Pletcher
Chairman/CEO Baby Galigo Studios
www.babygaligo.com
mpletcher@babygaligo.com
Sales Coach Chuck Bauer

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Mark,

I WILL NOT attend any Mavericks games as long as that criminal Josh Howard is

part of the team. Send him to Indiana to be with his fellow criminals. The youtube

video really exposes him for what he is.

Chuck Bauer
From: A <transdogmifier@yahoo.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/19/2008 08:58 AM
Subject: Ask Mark Cuban

So here’s a question or two for you, Mr. Cuban, in regards to this quote from one of your players:

“‘The Star Spangled Banner’ is going on right now. I don’t even celebrate that (expletive). I’m black.” - Josh Howard

1) What does being black have to do with Honoring the playing of the national anthem? He wasn’t a slave, and he has EVERYTHING this country is about to thank for his freedom *AND* his wealth, which you and the other idiots running sports teams pay him (and other idiot athletes).

2) Are you going to do the RIGHT thing and punish him monetarily for this? Or are you going to sit there on your hands and be a pansy about it?
From: Donald Joy <donaldgjoy@yahoo.com> Add Address to Contacts
To:
Cc: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: 09/19/2008 09:43 AM
Subject: Re: Get over yourself
My fellow patriots and I aren’t the ones who made it about race: “I ain’t about that ‘National Anthem’ ****, I’m black…mumble mumble something something Obama mumble Obama, etc., etc.)Howard, and Jeremiah Wright, and Ludacris(and white leftist scum like you and “Father” Michael Pflager), Jay-Z, Kanye West, Tupac Shakur, Malik Zulu Shabazz, Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X, B. Hussein Obama with his refusing to place his hand over his heart during the Anthem and refusing to wear a flag lapel pin until he was backed into a corner over it, all the while saying things like “typical white people” and “white foilks’ greed runs a world in need”(if a white politician said the equivalent, he’d be utterly ruined by now, and you know it; it has happened over and over again in our P.C., double-standard dystopia), et. al.,–you people are the ones who make it about color instead of focusing on character.
I judge a person by the content of their character. So many of those multi-millionaire black athletes, and millions upon millions of blacks in the United States, absolutely, sullenly, spitefully, violently REFUSE to develop their character and act like civilized citizens of the country that was the first society on the planet to undergo a nation-rending civil war(600,000 white men dead, untold more wounded to free the slaves) and a reckoning of self-examination in order to bring about the end of slavery and the Jim Crow era in this hemisphere(even as it was, and still IS being practiced in Africa and elsewhere in the world!). Blacks Muslim pirates operating out of the Barbary Coast captured and enslaved hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of whites in the late 1770’s-early 1800’s, yet blacks act as if America was/is the only oppressor in the history of the world, rather than the very hand that delivered them from the culture of conquest, from their own cousins on the Ivory Coast, which sold them to slavers in the first place.
After generations of anti-white attacks and rampaging riots and a rape/murder rate 7 times that of whites, after decades of robberies and thuggery and drug dealing, with a black-on-white crime rate that is so egregiously multiplied over the negligible white-on-black rate, blacks owe reparations to whites far more than any that whites owe blacks.
You’re obviously a Mike Nifong.
I know and know of many blacks that are indeed patriotic and intelligent and kind people, but my experiences with and observations of far, far too many others–MOST young black men and women in urban areas, in fact–mandate that I talk straight about a glaring and absolutely unacceptable situation that white liberals like you have helped bring about and exacerbate with your failed, train-wreck socialistic programs that destroy families and promote promiscuity, irresponsibility, fatherlessness, and dependence on government largesse and the race-grievance industry.
I’m fed up with white liberals like you who refuse to acknowledge the abject depravity and pathological, willful failure of black culture, and instead enable and perpetuate it as you excuse and defend it, all the while attacking honest whites who dare protest as you call us “racists.” Go ahead, call me a racist, I don’t care; as long as the majority of a given race refuses to attend school and drink the water of education to which they’ve been led–on MY excessive and wasted tax dollars–and instead bite the hand that feeds them as they stab the teachers and rape and steal and deal drugs and glorify murder as a rite of adolescent passage in homage to their rap music heroes, harassing and accusing their studious peers of “acting white”–as long as the plurality and bulk of that pathetic race ACTS inferior, I will certainly be justified in considering them inferior. Remove the absurdly high correlation(can it be done? I really do wonder, as no black society anywhere on Earth has anything resembling an advanced character) between skin color and abject criminality, between melanin and anti-American hostility, and I will consider them worthy citizens of MY country, that I love, that I fought for and continue to fight for.
Otherwise, shove your anti-white hatred up your ***, and shove your animalistic “African-American” ANTI-American “athletes” up your *** while you’re at it. Osama bin Laden is really tall, too; I bet he could’ve slam-dunked JUST like those disrespectful America-hating black criminals if he’d been chased after by scouts and coddled and given a bunch of bling back in the day, too!

…and I didn’t even resort to using the word that they hurl at each other and everyone else more often than they use the word “the.”

From: vxsmith@aol.com <vxsmith@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Get over yourself
Cc: mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:51 AM

Josh Howard is an ungrateful dumbass. He smokes pot every day, play basketball in front of millions of people and gets paid millions of dollars and then has the BALLS to effectively say “screw the US, I’m black. I’ve been oppressed and, oh, by the way…vote for Obama”. If you don’t see the disconnect in that statement then you’re a moron as well. If he’s so frickin miserable, then he should move back to his native Africa and live in a mud hut with Obama’s half brother for a year or so on a dollar a month. Then we’ll see how he really feels about this rotten oppressive country where he’s being so unfairly held back from reaching his full potential as a miserable black man.
Screw the Mavericks. They’re perennial losers like Howard…and Cuban cultivated the losers by overindulging the prima donnas.

And one more thing, checking out the cheerleaders during the National Anthem IS American. Homely women always complain about us doing it.

From: “McCubbin, Peter \(Exchange\)” <j.peter.mccubbin@jpmorgan.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/19/2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Give Josh the Kabosh

Hi Mark: I look forward to showing your team (with Josh ?) the same disrespect he showed our country’s flag. You guys are a disgrace. J Peter McCubbin NBA fan

To those of you who have read this far, I have added several emails since this was originally posted. In addition, I have gotten a reply from Jeff kellen of the email below, that i thought should be posted. This is the thread, so they are in reverse order

“Jeff Kellen” <jkellen@idealssi.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/18/2008 04:22 PM
Subject: Ask Mark Cuban
Hi Mark,Did you know Josh Howard was an America hater when you signed him or was
it a surprise?”I don’t spend my money on this NBA ****, I am white.”

Thanks,

- Jeff
From: “Jeff Kellen” <jkellen@idealssi.com> Add Address to Contacts
To: “Mark Cuban” <Mark.Cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: 09/19/2008 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: Follow up

Mark,

Sure, that is fine as I am so damn mad at myself right now and cannot
stand the thought of people thinking I am some sort of bigot or racist.
My kids love KG and I was happy to see him get a ring finally. He is a
hero in our house.

I feel like an idiot.

Thanks,

- Jeff

—–Original Message—–
From: Mark Cuban [mailto:Mark.Cuban@dallasmavs.com]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:39 AM
To: Jeff Kellen
Subject: Re: Follow up

thx for the reply jeff. since i posted the last email, would you like
for me to post this as well ?

thanks,

M
HDNet, The reason HDTV was invented ! www.hd.net

—–Original Message—–
From: “Jeff Kellen” <jkellen@idealssi.com>
To: <mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:23:49 -0500
Subject: Follow up

> Hello Mark,
>
> I had sent you a email comment yesterday and wanted to follow up tell
> you that it was a turn on the words that Josh Howard used previously
> and the email was a sarcastic attempt to voice my objection. In
> reality, I am actually a long time NBA fan and take my kids to a
> couple NBA games each year and was happy to see KG finally get a ring.
>
> My comments were ill advised and reflected a momentary lapse of
reason.
> I do not allow racist talk in my house or around my children but my
> comments came off that way and I am truly embarrassed by them. They
> were meant to be sarcastic but they came off as racist in a way that I
> honestly did not intend for them to.
>
> Apologies,
>
> - Jeff
>
> P.S. I hope you guys do better in the playoffs next year.

RamBo_Lamar
09-19-2008, 02:27 PM
And some of these ignorant racist slimeballs think they are even one iota
better than Cuban or Howard??

Pitiful

:puke:

ilive4sports
09-19-2008, 02:31 PM
Damn, we even got a shot taken at us in there.



Mark,

I WILL NOT attend any Mavericks games as long as that criminal Josh Howard is

part of the team. Send him to Indiana to be with his fellow criminals. The youtube

video really exposes him for what he is.

JayRedd
09-19-2008, 02:32 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="70%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=Background><TD>From:</TD><TD>“Riley Johnson” <Riley.Johnson@directs.com> http://mail.dallasmavs.com/Standard/addressbook.gif (http://mail.dallasmavs.com/WorldClient.dll?Session=JUNLPFG&View=Message&ToAddrBook=Yes)</TD></TR><TR class=Background><TD>To:</TD><TD><mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com></TD></TR><TR class=Background><TD>Date:</TD><TD>09/18/2008 09:14 AM</TD></TR><TR class=Background><TD>Subject:</TD><TD>Ask Mark Cuban</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Hey Mark, I’ve always loved the way you ran your team and respected a large amount of your opinions. Regardless, I have to stop supporting the Mavs. Why? Because I don’t support POS, America-bashing people like Josh Howard. Tell that spoiled pansy that his lifestyle is only made possible by the marvelous experiment that is America, and to take his bs to Russia if he’s going to talk down our national anthem. Until he’s off the team, you guys are off the TV.




Hmmm...

CableKC
09-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Wow...I'm not sure if Cuban's Blog should be cleaned up a little or not before posting....some of it maybe considered offensive to some.

ChicagoJ
09-19-2008, 02:38 PM
I guess the fine citizens of WhiteLand finally got computers. Yuck.

juadam09
09-19-2008, 02:50 PM
Wow...I'm not sure if Cuban's Blog should be cleaned up a little or not before posting....some of it maybe considered offensive to some.

The weird thing is I sent a email to the email address listed in that very entry and he just emailed me back and asked where I got his email address from.

I do agree with it being cleaned up, though I think that was the main point of his post. That is why I was not sure of the powers to be here would want this to be closed/deleted.

Kuq_e_Zi91
09-19-2008, 02:56 PM
What better way to respond to Howard offending people than be offensive to him? Really though, these people are disgusting. I think the fact that he plays for a team in Texas is going to make things even worse. I have a feeling this is far from being over, and it's not going to end well.

Also, how about that Indiana mention? Looks like the Pacers can't catch a break. "Should be Pacer Josh Howard insults America." Ah! Those Pacers again!

duke dynamite
09-19-2008, 03:10 PM
Ugh...

Mark is doing what he can to save the image of his team. Not very many owners step up and speak for their teams. Heck, most of the owners do not even attend games.

Cuban does have his moments, but I'm sure he isn't going to take this situation lightly.


Josh realizes his comments were wrong, he understands why people are upset. He knows he has made a mistake, has apologized and will work with us . Beyond that, its a private issue.

It's never a good thing to disrespect the country in front of people who look up to you. That was the dumb thing on Howard's part. His opinions should have been kept to himself or the ones close to him.

For his sake I really hope he can do something about his newly-tarnished image. It is going to take a lot of work to fix something like this, especially in a place like Texas.

For the "fans" calling Howard the "N" word, now that doesn't make them any better than Josh. As offensive his actions may have been, he doesn't deserve to be called that word. All he should get is this:

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/userimages/user624_1169415255.gif

tora tora
09-19-2008, 03:39 PM
For his sake I really hope he can do something about his newly-tarnished image.

Why? The guy is clearly a bum. I wish nothing but the worst for him. I can't believe he tried to apologize. He thinks this situation is just going to disappear. He's in for a big surprise.

RamBo_Lamar
09-19-2008, 03:53 PM
By Cuban posting this blog, I think he is attempting to show why Howard
feels the way he does, and said the things he said.

Some of the disgusting name calling and hatred shown in this blog is likely
something Howard and many other black athletes have endured over the
course of their lives.

Howard by saying what he said was in effect saying that this country is
supposed to be for everyone regardless of race or color, but is not.
Clearly many of the abusive posters to Cubans blog do not feel this
country is for everyone either. I can (in a way) see how a recipient of
constant racial bashing might see the flag and other things patriotic as
representing the bashers moreso then representing him. One might come
to think our country is both allowing and tolerating it after having been on
the receiving end of it enough times.

I think this is what Cuban is trying to convey.

JayRedd
09-19-2008, 04:11 PM
Howard by saying what he said was in effect saying that this country is
supposed to be for everyone regardless of race or color, but is not.
Clearly many of the abusive posters to Cubans blog do not feel this
country is for everyone either. I can (in a way) see how a recipient of
constant racial bashing might see the flag and other things patriotic as
representing the bashers moreso then representing him. One might come
to think our country is both allowing and tolerating it after having been on
the receiving end of it enough times.

Or in another attempt at unfounded speculation about a guy none of us knows...Possibly Josh Howard thinks incredibly highly of the United States of America but also enjoys jokes.

Hicks
09-19-2008, 04:21 PM
I'm calling the content "too hot for PD."

Unclebuck
09-22-2008, 10:02 AM
I read the first e-mail - and will not read anymore.