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Lord Helmet
09-14-2008, 02:10 AM
:colts: (0-1) Coming off a disheartening loss to Chicago in their regular season debut in Lucas Oil Stadium, the Colts hope to get the offense and defense in sync and get a win.

:vikings: (0-1) After losing to rival Green Bay last Monday night, the Vikings would like to set things straight in their home opener.

Time: 1:00 PM ET

Location: Metrodome, Minneapolis, Minnesota

Television: :cbssports:

Infinite MAN_force
09-14-2008, 12:27 PM
does anyone know if there is a free internet stream to watch the game on? I am having doubts about getting a sattelite signal with these storms coming.

EDIT: I just remembered the game is on network TV, I totally forgot regular TV even existed.

Natston
09-14-2008, 12:36 PM
WE'RE DOOOOOOOMED

Suaveness
09-14-2008, 01:01 PM
I actually DO need internet streaming...the game live doesn't work now. Can anyone help me?

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:05 PM
I am doing the ESPN gamecast thing...did Keyunta Dawson really have a 2 yard reception or is this thing as messed up as it was last year?

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:07 PM
INT on the first drive, great. Whose fault was it? I can't believe Winfield had an INT, he is one of the worst starting corners in the league.

Lamar Mundane
09-14-2008, 01:17 PM
this team has looked terrible for 5 straight quarters now. Not sure what, if anything, to expect from them this season.

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:21 PM
When they're on, the Colts are great.

But it's really hard to root for a team that appears to be so pathetic in the trenches. The Colts seem to have concentrated too much on skill positions and not enough on the big uglies, and it shows.

Lamar Mundane
09-14-2008, 01:26 PM
agreed. And now we start from the 10, as we did most of last week. No blocking, 8 yard loss, and another passing down close to our goal line. awful. The worst thing of all is that this team is becoming boring to watch...

Shade
09-14-2008, 01:26 PM
The Vikings are reading our offense PERFECTLY. It's almost surreal.

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:31 PM
I am watching the Redskins move the ball consistently against the Saints (even though their kicker sucks and they have no points to show for it).

This is the twilight zone when the Redskins can move the ball and the Colts can't.

That stupid Manning toss is going to get Addai mauled. I hate to say this, but can you really play with a QB who can't do play action? That surgery up to this point has altered Manning's ability in the worst way.

heywoode
09-14-2008, 01:33 PM
It's gonna be a long day...

Shade
09-14-2008, 01:40 PM
Did anyone else just lose their HD feed?

Shade
09-14-2008, 01:43 PM
Ah, it's back.

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:49 PM
Didn't take AP too long to get 100 yards today.

Moses
09-14-2008, 01:49 PM
Sorry, but that shot by Robert Mathis should have been a flag. Could have easily ended ADP's season.

DisplacedKnick
09-14-2008, 01:53 PM
Sorry, but that shot by Robert Mathis should have been a flag. Could have easily ended ADP's season.

??? Wasn't a horsecollar, facemask or late hit. Not sure where a flag would come from.

Moses
09-14-2008, 01:54 PM
??? Wasn't a horsecollar, facemask or late hit. Not sure where a flag would come from.
Maybe not, but he should know better. Going for a guys leg from behind at a side angle...

Lord Helmet
09-14-2008, 01:55 PM
??? Wasn't a horsecollar, facemask or late hit. Not sure where a flag would come from.
Just seemed like a hard football tackle to me....

idioteque
09-14-2008, 01:56 PM
Maybe not, but he should know better. Going for a guys leg from behind at a side angle...

So he just should have not tried to tackle him? Football is a physical game. I don't get it.

Shade
09-14-2008, 01:57 PM
I think Moses is a little sensitive about plays like that after what happened to Brady.

SoupIsGood
09-14-2008, 01:57 PM
:unimpress

Moses
09-14-2008, 01:58 PM
So he just should have not tried to tackle him? Football is a physical game. I don't get it.
Right. I'm sure you wouldn't mind if someone had hit Addai low like that...it was a poor tackle that could have injured Peterson.

The broadcasters noted it as well, so don't act like I am insane.

idioteque
09-14-2008, 02:03 PM
Right. I'm sure you wouldn't mind if someone had hit Addai low like that...it was a poor tackle that could have injured Peterson.

The broadcasters noted it as well, so don't act like I am insane.

Football is a dirty, imperfect game. What do you expect when you've got 250 pound guys in impeccable shape running full steam at one another for an hour? Not every tackle is going to be neat and tidy. Every year players get hurt pretty badly. Do you ever seen the NFL punish the guys that caused the injury? No, because the NFL realize there is a certain risk involved, too.

I understand that you're frustrated after the Brady injury and that's understandable, if something similar happened to Manning I might feel the same way. But really it's dumb luck as to whether or not a player has an injury-free career, and the odds are stacked against every player.

Moses
09-14-2008, 02:04 PM
Football is a dirty, imperfect game. What do you expect when you've got 250 pound guys in impeccable shape running full steam at one another for an hour? Not every tackle is going to be neat and tidy. Every year players get hurt pretty badly. Do you ever seen the NFL punish the guys that caused the injury? No, because the NFL realize there is a certain risk involved, too.
I understand that, but Peterson was already wrapped up on that particular play and was going down.

And yes, they have punished people who have caused injuries in the past through poor tackling technique.

Moses
09-14-2008, 02:09 PM
Tarvaris Jackson is probably the worst starting QB in the league. If Minnesota could pass, they would have an unstoppable offense.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 02:11 PM
Can't get to halftime fast enough. Diem looks bad and he's one of the "regulars" out there. Bunch of scrubs and rookies basically is what we've got for an O-line. I think the point of the Colts investing so heavily in the skill positions at the expense of the trenches a valid one. Both lines are weka inthe interior, but the OL might be a more egregious omission given this is a team predicated on offensive success.

idioteque
09-14-2008, 02:11 PM
I saw the play too Moses, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Tavaris Jackson is terrible. Funny stat for Minnesota: 144 total yard, 137 of those yards from the ground, lol.

maragin
09-14-2008, 02:19 PM
The internet feed I've been watching on is, well, unwatchable. Does someone have a better link?

DisplacedKnick
09-14-2008, 02:19 PM
I understand that, but Peterson was already wrapped up on that particular play and was going down.

And yes, they have punished people who have caused injuries in the past through poor tackling technique.

The tackle was pretty much the same concept as a cut block - an offensive lineman is engaged high and gets hit low.

That gets a flag. A tackle made when a man is still advancing the ball forward doesn't.

Shade
09-14-2008, 02:21 PM
Well, that was a pathetic first half. All the credit to the Vikings, though; their defense has been fantastic.

DisplacedKnick
09-14-2008, 02:21 PM
Manning's arm strength isn't there. That play on the Colts' last series where the ball was swatted away is one where he usually sticks the ball in there.

Couldn't say if it's because his leg strength isn't there or upper body strength - or both - but for right now he doesn't have the arm we're used to seeing. There've been at least 3 plays today where the same thing happened including the last ball to Harrison that got batted away.

Natston
09-14-2008, 02:22 PM
It's hard to believe that we're missing our LT, LG, C, and RG at the moment.

Shade
09-14-2008, 02:23 PM
I have no doubt that Manning is still rusty. And our defense hasn't been too bad today. But we need to score some points to win, and the Vikings have a done a good job forcing Peyton into the air.

Shade
09-14-2008, 02:23 PM
Tarvaris Jackson is probably the worst starting QB in the league. If Minnesota could pass, they would have an unstoppable offense.

They looked much better at the end of the half. I look for Minny to go to the air more in the second half.

Natston
09-14-2008, 02:32 PM
I look for Minny to go to the air more in the second half.

I hope so... ;)

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 02:53 PM
When it rains it pours. If the Vikings put 7 on the board on this drive, how long until you pull Manning? He may get killed out there with this protection.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 02:55 PM
FG-Buys Peyton a few more series. Shut out on the horizon?

Natston
09-14-2008, 02:55 PM
We're still in it...

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 02:56 PM
We're still in it...

Mathematically.

Come on, O. Just do something!

aero
09-14-2008, 02:57 PM
we are playing reallllllllly bad football in the month of September this year...wow

Natston
09-14-2008, 02:58 PM
We're still due for at least one Tavaris ****up, and hopefully the offense can get one drive in...

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:00 PM
Not lookin' good...

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:01 PM
Not lookin' good...

HOW ABOUT NOW????

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:01 PM
That certainly was SOMETHING!

Slick Pinkham
09-14-2008, 03:02 PM
The internet feed I've been watching on is, well, unwatchable. Does someone have a better link?

Here's the links I have, but either ends up being jerky and pixely most times for me-- like somebody webcaming and streaming from a camera pointed at their TV screen.

http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=americanfootball

http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/football?kind=live&order=hot

SoupIsGood
09-14-2008, 03:02 PM
GONZO!

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:04 PM
I may be on the verge of losing my power here.

BoomBaby31
09-14-2008, 03:04 PM
GONZO!

Gonzo! indeed.. Talk about high risk, high reward. This thread would be blowin up if Wayne wouldn't of caught that lol..

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:09 PM
Upon further review, another challenge! Damn.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:09 PM
Don't think he made it. Will they be convinced to overturn?

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:12 PM
I'll take it.

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
I start to lose my power and the Colts finally score.

Coincidence? :chin:

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
We're still due for at least one Tavaris ****up, and hopefully the offense can get one drive in...

;)

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
We have a FREENEY sighting!

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Marvin!

DisplacedKnick
09-14-2008, 03:16 PM
And how quickly things change.

Suaveness
09-14-2008, 03:21 PM
You were saying?

DisplacedKnick
09-14-2008, 03:23 PM
You were saying?

Maybe this is the season you guys'll be cursed. The Cubs didn't ship you a goat did they? Maybe bury it in the foundations of the new stadium?

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:24 PM
Choke-atieri!

IIRC he had some trouble shanking a few makeable kicks last year.

San Diego game comes to mind, although the weather was dicey.

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:29 PM
Boo-urns.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Missed FG, INT.

Blue print for how to kill momentum right there.

Hicks
09-14-2008, 03:30 PM
Choke-atieri!

Were you first in line to mock Reggie Miller when he missed a jumpshot, too?

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:32 PM
So is Fossett really any better than Roby in the return department? Not based on what he's shown.

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:32 PM
So...when is the last time we started a season 0-2? It's been a while.

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:33 PM
Were you first in line to mock Reggie Miller when he missed a jumpshot, too?

For someone who is so clutch, he sure has missed a lot of gimmies since suiting up for the Ponies.

I think it's fairly safe to say his career is on it's down slope.

Shade
09-14-2008, 03:34 PM
Well, I gotta head into work. Something tells me I won't miss any miracle comeback today. :kickcan:

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Were you first in line to mock Reggie Miller when he missed a jumpshot, too?

That would have been a wide open lay up. Kickers have a high pressure role, but they know it. That's life. They also have to produce in far fewer chances. That's how it goes. It's one thing if it's a long FG with time running down.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:39 PM
Tie game!!!!!

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:39 PM
omg lol wtf

SoupIsGood
09-14-2008, 03:40 PM
I stepped away after the Gijon catch. What got us in the endzone? I saw the 2ptconv.

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:41 PM
post route to Wayne

SoupIsGood
09-14-2008, 03:42 PM
Thanks.

Slick Pinkham
09-14-2008, 03:42 PM
wow

In terms of the domination of the line of scrimmage, this game should be about 31-10 Vikings, and yet it is 15-15.

Slick Pinkham
09-14-2008, 03:44 PM
awful no call-- mugged him on 2nd down

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeah, between the upheld TD by Addai and the last two defended passes by Hayden, you can't say we have not gotten some breaks.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Could have a AT redemption opportunity coming up.

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:49 PM
GONZO!

Natston
09-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Heck yeah on that punt.

Hicks
09-14-2008, 04:02 PM
Why is one of the Colts coaches wearing a red Colts cap?

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Here we go, AT. Gotta have this one.

Hicks
09-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Chokatieri FTW! :-p

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 04:07 PM
Whew!!!

Natston
09-14-2008, 04:08 PM
Why is one of the Colts coaches wearing a red Colts cap?

He's one of the defensive coaches (db coach maybe) that is relaying hand signals into the players. He wears red so the players can spot him easily.

Natston
09-14-2008, 04:09 PM
Chokatieri FTW! :-p

We just got raped by Adrian Peterson... :suicide:

Slick Pinkham
09-14-2008, 04:09 PM
wow, dominated, yet victorious.

One of those stolen games you love to get

sweabs
09-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Crazy game. Our O-line is really hurting right now. We were lucky to escape that one with a win.

The good teams find ways to win games they shouldn't.

Sollozzo
09-14-2008, 04:12 PM
I think we're gonna be alright now.

heywoode
09-14-2008, 04:12 PM
You're welcome, Viking fans!

Love ya!

Hicks
09-14-2008, 04:15 PM
wow, dominated, yet victorious.

One of those stolen games you love to get

If you won the game, you were not dominated.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 04:31 PM
If you won the game, you were not dominated.

I might say dominated for 2.5 quarters or so. Especially physical domination. Vikes didn't sufficently capitalize though settling for 5 FGs.

D-BONE
09-14-2008, 04:32 PM
I think we're gonna be alright now.

Maybe. I feel better than before but still a lot of questons to answer. We will see what happens moving forward. At least there are signs of life from the offense.

Slick Pinkham
09-14-2008, 04:36 PM
now I have the crappy Dolphins on TV and the internet feeds are all not working at all.

No Pats-Jets.


aaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhh!

Lord Helmet
09-14-2008, 04:48 PM
awful no call-- mugged him on 2nd down
I remember in the 3rd QTR I think it was, Dwight was held pretty obviously but nothing was called.

I get the Jets - Patriots game, I'll try to keep you updated with scores and stuff in the other thread.

Moses
09-14-2008, 04:53 PM
Cassel is doing a good job out there. I knew Belichick would revert the offense back to a dink and dump short pass offense.

aero
09-14-2008, 05:02 PM
I lost my power here in the 3rd...the power came back on with a minute left in the game

Shade
09-14-2008, 09:21 PM
Well, I gotta head into work. Something tells me I won't miss any miracle comeback today. :kickcan:

:blush:

I was late to work because I was sitting out in the car and refused to come in until the end of the game. :p

Sounded like an incredible finish. The announcers were PISSED about the officiating.

ilive4sports
09-14-2008, 09:34 PM
:blush:

I was late to work because I was sitting out in the car and refused to come in until the end of the game. :p

Sounded like an incredible finish. The announcers were PISSED about the officiating.

I've done that before, except i wasnt happy when the game ended because Tampa's kicker hits the third longest FG in the history of the game :mad:

I think the Colts will be ok. You can tell Peyton has missed time. Its a little like how the Eagles looked at the beginning of the season last year. Just a bit out of sync. The run defense needs to get better though.

Merz
09-15-2008, 01:27 AM
I think the Colts will be ok.
It's better to have the problems now than in January (though of course having them now is no guarantee they won't have problems then).

Just need to get that o-line healthy. I'm pretty sure the Colts will get their offensive groove back at some point (just hope its not to late).

Was it just me or did AP get the quietest 150+ yards anyone's ever seen? It seems like he got them all between the Vikings 40 and the Colts 20 and not when he really needed them (like on third down)

Slick Pinkham
09-15-2008, 08:35 AM
If you won the game, you were not dominated.

Paraphrasing Mike Greenberg on Mike & Mike this morning:

There's no other way to say it but that the Vikings, with any decent quarterback play, win that game by at least 3 touchdowns. The Vikings were physically dominating in every way, but they are trying to "hide" their quarterbacking deficiencies out there, and you simply cannot win that way.

Hicks
09-15-2008, 09:29 AM
Paraphrasing myself:

When you substitute reality with what could have happened, it's funny how things change.

:-p

Natston
09-15-2008, 09:44 AM
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have something to snack on as we read up on cliches.

Slick Pinkham
09-15-2008, 10:11 AM
Paraphrasing myself:

When you substitute reality with what could have happened, it's funny how things change.

:-p

The reality:

-Minnesota's O-line dominated Indy's D-line and linebackers.
-Minnesota's D-line and linebackers pressured Manning continously, totally shut down all running lanes, and dominated for 3 quarters. I thought they were good even late, but Peyton and receivers (esp. Gonzo) made many great plays under pressure.
-Minnesota's pathetic QB situation, compared to even a rusty Peyton Manning, was such a disadvantage that it totally overcompensated for the Viking's other advantages. Of their five field goal drives, 3 and maybe 4 were halted by a QB unable to execute simple plays to find open receivers.

Bottom line: Minnesota now looks to be something like an 8-8 team. Minnesota with an average QB, on the level even of a Chad Pennington, would be an NFC favorite and 12-4 or 13-3 team. Jim Sorgi would be an upgrade over Tavaris Jackson. I am not kidding. For his career, Jackson's completion percenatge on passes over 15 yards is 10%. That is not a misprint: 10%.

I am not arguing that the Vikings deserved to win or the Colts deserved to lose. Quarterbacking is obviously of fundamental importance, something that seems to have been lost upon Viking's management. I am just saying that this is a game in which Peyton Manning carried you. He does that sometimes. The other areas of the game that seem to strongly favor the Vikings has to be a concern, though, if you look at this game objectively, particularly the control of the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

naptownmenace
09-15-2008, 12:54 PM
The Colts get killed on the ground but shut down the WRs. That's essentially the same Colts D we've seen for the last 3 regular seasons.

The didn't give up a passing TD again and they stopped the run in the red zone. As long as they continue to do that they'll continue to win regular season games. Now come playoff time... that's another story.

Still a win is a win and I loved it.

ilive4sports
09-15-2008, 01:47 PM
To be fair, none of the Vikings WR's strike fear into anyone in this league really. Plus when Tavaris Jackson is the QB, well quite frankly, every NFL team should be able to stop the passing attack.

Indy did clamp down in the redzone against the run, which is where it matters most. I saw the Eagles get run over between the 20's a few years ago, but come in the red zone and your getting a FG at best and the Eagles did go to the NFC Championship those years. I do think the Colts will improve their run defense though.

Shade
09-15-2008, 05:19 PM
It was nice to see the offense finally start to come together at the end of the game, but we still have a lot of work to do. Neither Chicago nor Minnesota are SB contenders.

I'd like to say we'll be fine once we get healthy, but that has been a growing variable for the last couple of seasons now.

SoupIsGood
09-15-2008, 06:33 PM
Um, we were missing almost our entire O-line and I can remember the names of our starting DT's on a good day. Of course we got dominated by the Vikings in the trenches. They've got some of the best trenchplay in the game, and right not we're really lacking talent in a lot of areas. I guess I don't understand why this is such a big deal or supposed to be such a concern. Concern to me indicates that there's something we can hope to do about, like if really good players were playing at a low level. Right now we just have to hope the O line heals up and that we swing yet another trade for a DT.

Natston
09-16-2008, 12:27 AM
Um, we were missing almost our entire O-line and I can remember the names of our starting DT's on a good day. Of course we got dominated by the Vikings in the trenches. They've got some of the best trenchplay in the game, and right not we're really lacking talent in a lot of areas. I guess I don't understand why this is such a big deal or supposed to be such a concern. Concern to me indicates that there's something we can hope to do about, like if really good players were playing at a low level. Right now we just have to hope the O line heals up and that we swing yet another trade for a DT.

Yeah, how many teams could go without 4 starting OL, TE, and their OL coach and still win?

Slick Pinkham
09-16-2008, 10:18 PM
Yeah, how many teams could go without 4 starting OL, TE, and their OL coach and still win?

A few years ago a team lost their 2 starting cornerbacks, 2 of their backup cornerbacks, a starting safety, and a starting defensive end. Late in the year they started an undrafted free agent and a backup wide receiver as cornerbacks. Oh yeah, they led the league (or nearly so) in scoring defense and defended a Super Bowl title while setting an NFL record for most games missed in a season by the opening day starters.