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carpediem024
07-17-2008, 07:20 PM
LAS VEGAS -- The Los Angeles Clippers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lac) have identified the latest target in their recovery from the free-agent loss of Elton Brand (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3324) by agreeing to terms on an offer sheet with restricted free agent Kelenna Azubuike (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2821) of the Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw).
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3494107

GO!!!!!
07-17-2008, 07:32 PM
Not a bad buy if he's not to expensive.... i got him in my keeper league Fantasy Team so if he gets 15-20 MPG me be happy...

Doddage
07-17-2008, 07:43 PM
Hmm, the Clips and Warriors seem to have a little grudge match going on with the other team's FAs. It's kind of entertaining.

Justin Tyme
07-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Keelna came out early from the Blue N White, and I've kept my eye on him the last 2 seasons. He was a player I wanted the Pacers to get last summer. He'll help replace the loss of Maggette.

Brian
07-17-2008, 09:46 PM
Hmm, the Clips and Warriors seem to have a little grudge match going on with the other team's FAs. It's kind of entertaining.

I was just thinking the same thing.

Young
07-17-2008, 09:51 PM
I think it's a pretty solid pick up for the Clippers.

They are sure going to have a different team next year.

ajbry
07-17-2008, 09:53 PM
Azu's a pretty talented player and a team like the Clips (who needed to fill in some depth at the wing position) did well to acquire him. Rebounds extraordinarily well for someone his size and can handle some defensive assignments too. Hits the open three and is strong enough to the point where he's not afraid of contact. Relatively clutch for a bench player. Good dude too, I hope he does well in LA.

avoidingtheclowns
07-17-2008, 10:45 PM
i like this move. the only part i wonder about is his height. he's only 6-5 and while thats not small, you'd think they'd want someone a little taller that could play both the 2 and 3. but they still have time to make other moves (address front court depth FTW!) but it is a nice pickup. i can't see the warriors matching after signing maggs.

Anthem
07-17-2008, 11:29 PM
Hmm, the Clips and Warriors seem to have a little grudge match going on with the other team's FAs. It's kind of entertaining.
Yeah, it's weird. I really don't remember anything like it.

Is there precedent for this kind of thing?

Eindar
07-17-2008, 11:35 PM
Yeah, it's weird. I really don't remember anything like it.

Is there precedent for this kind of thing?

There may be a more prominent example of this in the ABA or something, but in 1984 two of the USFL teams trade their entire rosters to each other.

Shade
07-18-2008, 01:30 PM
Maybe the Clippers and Dubs should just trade franchises and get it over with already.

Shade
07-18-2008, 01:32 PM
Hmm, the Clips and Warriors seem to have a little grudge match going on with the other team's FAs. It's kind of entertaining.

When Two Bad GMs Collide...

Naptown_Seth
07-18-2008, 01:42 PM
Azu's a pretty talented player and a team like the Clips (who needed to fill in some depth at the wing position) did well to acquire him. Rebounds extraordinarily well for someone his size and can handle some defensive assignments too. Hits the open three and is strong enough to the point where he's not afraid of contact. Relatively clutch for a bench player. Good dude too, I hope he does well in LA.
Not a bad kid but he does play too out of control for my tastes. I haven't really looked at the Clips overall situation since the dealings to see why they'd want him.

ajbry
07-18-2008, 01:56 PM
Not a bad kid but he does play too out of control for my tastes. I haven't really looked at the Clips overall situation since the dealings to see why they'd want him.

Everyone who wants to earn PT under Nellie plays out of control, to be fair.

Kelenna has a good head on his shoulders and he'll adapt well to a more traditional brand of basketball.

Jonathan
07-18-2008, 02:54 PM
Good For the Clippers they are making some really nice moves and getting their fans excited. Baron Davis, Marcus Camby and Azubuke. They did lose Maggette but it would be hard to imagine him and Baron Davis playing well together. They also drafted Deandre Jordan in the second round.

CableKC
07-21-2008, 03:11 AM
Since the Clippers won't likely resign Quinton Ross...and they have a need for some added depth at the Wing positions..is there anyway that we can do a S&T of Quinton Ross for Shawne?

Not only would I love to add Ross' defense to our lineup....it would push Rush further up the rotational ladder.

Hicks
07-21-2008, 08:03 AM
Don't we have 1-2mm before we're over the L.tax? If so, I'd try to just sign him first.

Justin Tyme
07-21-2008, 08:58 AM
Since the Clippers won't likely resign Quinton Ross...and they have a need for some added depth at the Wing positions..is there anyway that we can do a S&T of Quinton Ross for Shawne?

Not only would I love to add Ross' defense to our lineup....it would push Rush further up the rotational ladder.

I was thinking about Ross last week, not as a Pacer, but in the sense I hadn't heard if he had signed somewhere. I was thinking maybe Boston or another team as a "D" specialist. Now, that Williams has stepped on his weenie. I could see a trade of Williams for Ross.

Wiliams salary is 1.5 mil and Ross' salary last year was $825,000. Offer Williams to the Clippers for a S&T of Ross at 1.5-2 mil. Or offer Williams and McRoberts for Ross with a salary at 2-2.5 mil. It would be a 2 for 1 trade bringing the Pacers roster to 15 with the Pacers still be under the LT. How long b4 McRoberts can be traded? JMOAA

D-BONE
07-21-2008, 09:03 AM
I was thinking about Ross last week, not as a Pacer, but in the sense I hadn't heard if he had signed somewhere. I was thinking maybe Boston or another team as a "D" specialist. Now, that Williams has stepped on his weenie. I could see a trade of Williams for Ross.

Wiliams salary is 1.5 mil and Ross' salary last year was $825,000. Offer Williams to the Clippers for a S&T of Ross at 1.5-2 mil. Or offer Williams and McRoberts for Ross with a salary at 2-2.5 mil. It would be a 2 for 1 trade bringing the Pacers roster to 15 with the Pacers still be under the LT. How long b4 McRoberts can be traded? JMOAA

Please execute this trade immediately (if feasible)!!!!!!!

Now, can we somehow unload Tins on them, too. And, maybe get Powell back somehow? That would make my offseason...short of getting Landry.

CableKC
07-24-2008, 04:52 PM
LOL.....the Warriors match the Clippers Azubuike's offer.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53731/20080724/warriors_match_clippers_offer_to_azubuike/


The Golden State Warriors have matched the contract offer submitted to restricted free agent guard Kelenna Azubuike by the Los Angeles Clippers, it was announced today by Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin. The Warriors had seven (7) days from receipt of the contract – Friday, July 18 - to match the offer from Los Angeles. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not announced. “We are pleased to have Kelenna back in the fold,” said Mullin. “He’s a young and talented player who has continued to improve during his two seasons with our team. His versatility, athleticism and ability to shoot the 3-pointer certainly fit our style of play. Additionally, we think he will continue to improve and expand his game.” The Golden State Warriors have matched the contract offer submitted to restricted free agent guard Kelenna Azubuike by the Los Angeles Clippers,

The Clips just got "Mullin-ed" again....1st Maggette ( but not like they were going to keep him anyway ).....then decided to match Azubuike.

Hmm.....they still need some scoring depth at their Wing positions........maybe Bird should call up Sterling and suggest a Shawne for Ross S&T while they are reeling from yet another loss at the FA sweepstakes?

Do it, Bird!!!!

D-BONE
07-25-2008, 08:47 AM
LOL.....the Warriors match the Clippers Azubuike's offer.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53731/20080724/warriors_match_clippers_offer_to_azubuike/



The Clips just got "Mullin-ed" again....1st Maggette ( but not like they were going to keep him anyway ).....then decided to match Azubuike.

Hmm.....they still need some scoring depth at their Wing positions........maybe Bird should call up Sterling and suggest a Shawne for Ross S&T while they are reeling from yet another loss at the FA sweepstakes?

Do it, Bird!!!!

Q!!!
Right on!

Shade
07-25-2008, 11:09 AM
I really don't understand the Quinton Ross love in here.

Justin Tyme
07-25-2008, 12:13 PM
I really don't understand the Quinton Ross love in here.


Fans are fickle! They are always wanting something else.

Prime instance is Stephen Graham. Last season they were screaming for JOB to give him more playing time. This off season he's the forgotten player.

CableKC
07-25-2008, 12:17 PM
Don't we have 1-2mm before we're over the L.tax? If so, I'd try to just sign him first.
Unless Shawne isn't as close to being shown the door as most of us think....then I can see Bird trying to hold onto him longer to see if he actually grows up....but at this point...I would much rather cut my losses while getting a player that clearly does not have as much upside as Shawne does...but can definitely fill a much needed role while ensuring that Brandon gets more minutes in the lineup.

As far as I am concerned....if it seems very likely that Shawne is gone...then I would much rather get rid of him now...then later....mainly cuz I consider Shawne an obstacle that can get in front of the way of Brandon getting the minutes to develop. Although Ross could compete with Brandon for some minutes at the backup SG/SF rotation....I think that Ross' lack of scoring ability could justify getting Brandon some solid minutes when needed.

CableKC
07-25-2008, 12:23 PM
I really don't understand the Quinton Ross love in here.
I think that we have enough scorers on this team that I don't mind focusing more on getting solid defenders.

I always believe that the more perimeter defenders that we have...the better. For a $1.5-2 mil contract....I have ZERO problems with getting a solid perimeter defender roleplayer that can come off the bench.

CableKC
07-25-2008, 12:30 PM
Fans are fickle! They are always wanting something else.
The way that I look at it is that Bird can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.....(1) he can move a problemed child and (2) he can make TBird and I happy-campers knowing that he is committing the team to defense.

NOTE - I know that Brandon was brought in to shore up our perimeter defense...but adding another quick perimeter SG defender like Ross would only solidify our lineup.


Prime instance is Stephen Graham. Last season they were screaming for JOB to give him more playing time. This off season he's the forgotten player.
I don't think that Graham is forgotten....he is what he is....a 4th/5th SG/SF that will get minutes when anybody ahead of him in the rotation gets injured. I wish he can get some decent minutes in the rotation...but I have no clue why JO'B doesn't play him more. :shrug: Besides....any minutes that he gets only takes away from Brandon's development.

Justin Tyme
07-25-2008, 02:29 PM
I don't think that Graham is forgotten....he is what he is....a 4th/5th SG/SF that will get minutes when anybody ahead of him in the rotation gets injured.

I wish he can get some decent minutes in the rotation...but I have no clue why JO'B doesn't play him more. :shrug: Besides....any minutes that he gets only takes away from Brandon's development.


You don't even make sense! Your willing to bring in Ross, who would take minutes away from the development of Rush, but it's not ok for Graham to take development time away from Rush. I love how Rush has become the annoited one. For Bird's sake, I hope Rush can live up to the expectations of being the "do all is all guy."

Why do the Pacers need Ross? Isn't one of Daniels' forte "D"? Ross and Daniels play the same positions. Personally, if the Pacers are going to keep Daniels, I'd like to see him earn his paycheck. If he can't, then he was no place on the team. That's right the Simons are paying him 6.8 mil to be non-rotational player with an expiring contract!!

Now, someone tell me why TPTB traded Cro's expiring for Daniels? That has to be one of the 2 to 3 top blunders of the last 3 years! JMOAA

D-BONE
07-25-2008, 02:52 PM
You don't even make sense! Your willing to bring in Ross, who would take minutes away from the development of Rush, but it's not ok for Graham to take development time away from Rush. I love how Rush has become the annoited one. For Bird's sake, I hope Rush can live up to the expectations of being the "do all is all guy."

Why do the Pacers need Ross? Isn't one of Daniels' forte "D"? Ross and Daniels play the same positions. Personally, if the Pacers are going to keep Daniels, I'd like to see him earn his paycheck. If he can't, then he was no place on the team. That's right the Simons are paying him 6.8 mil to be non-rotational player with an expiring contract!!

Now, someone tell me why TPTB traded Cro's expiring for Daniels? That has to be one of the 2 to 3 top blunders of the last 3 years! JMOAA

The Croshere-Daniels trade looks like a blunder in retrospect. Hindsight is 20/20. I think the general consensus on it when it went down was a reasonable one as far as our POV is concerned. Not saying it was unanimously accepted, but many considered it a good deal.

As to MD's defense. I have been underwhelmed by it personally. Not as good as what I had expected. Mediocre or highly average for a guy with his athletic ability. Outside of a good game here and there, particularly in the quick hands department, not much else.

Graham looked good when he got minutes but they were so sparse it's hard to tell. What I felt he showed was a nice stroke from outside and a certain amount of offensive potential. I don't believe he's shown that he has a lot of defensive prowess, but again, maybe that could develop. IMO he's a decent back-up wing with a nice touch.

The one thing I think the team as it's constructed is missing is physicality and toughness. That's what interests me in a guy like Ross. Same with Landry. They bring a lot of tenacity and physical and mental toughness. We need more of that attitude. I'm happy with the guys we have overall. However, we are lacking a certain presence a guy like Ross could bring. Plus he's a better wing defender than pretty much anyone we have currently.

Justin Tyme
07-25-2008, 07:34 PM
The Croshere-Daniels trade looks like a blunder in retrospect. Hindsight is 20/20. I think the general consensus on it when it went down was a reasonable one as far as our POV is concerned. Not saying it was unanimously accepted, but many considered it a good deal.

As to MD's defense. I have been underwhelmed by it personally. Not as good as what I had expected. Mediocre or highly average for a guy with his athletic ability. Outside of a good game here and there, particularly in the quick hands department, not much else.

Graham looked good when he got minutes but they were so sparse it's hard to tell. What I felt he showed was a nice stroke from outside and a certain amount of offensive potential. I don't believe he's shown that he has a lot of defensive prowess, but again, maybe that could develop. IMO he's a decent back-up wing with a nice touch.

The one thing I think the team as it's constructed is missing is physicality and toughness. That's what interests me in a guy like Ross. Same with Landry. They bring a lot of tenacity and physical and mental toughness. We need more of that attitude. I'm happy with the guys we have overall. However, we are lacking a certain presence a guy like Ross could bring. Plus he's a better wing defender than pretty much anyone we have currently.


Underwhelmed is being extremely polite. He's sporadic at best. He has a nice game then 2 games of nothing. There was a reason Dallas let him go... injury prone and sporadic play would be my guess.

I am in favor of giving Graham the opportunity to show want he can do. If he can't, then let him sit on the end of the bench a be a towel waving Eddie Gill. If he can, what's the reasoning of keeping Daniels and Williams? Package them for your toughness in the form of a PF.

The Pacers have 16 players under contract now, so how can they afford to sign Ross as a FA who is a pretty one dimensional type player? That means cutting and paying 2 guaranteed contracts, or doing a 3 for 1 deal which is very unlikely to happen. I just don't see the Pacers need or can afford Ross. JMOAA

CableKC
07-26-2008, 01:33 AM
You don't even make sense! Your willing to bring in Ross, who would take minutes away from the development of Rush, but it's not ok for Graham to take development time away from Rush. I love how Rush has become the annoited one. For Bird's sake, I hope Rush can live up to the expectations of being the "do all is all guy."
Yeah....I would much rather have Graham play behind both Rush and Ross ( if we can get him ). Graham IMHO is an end-of-the-bench player that for one reason or another cuz JO'B won't play him unless someone gets injured.

Now...if we somehow decide to move Shawne and can get a future backup PF that would fit our needs...then I would be fine with having Brandon and Graham be our primary GF backup players. But if we can't get then I would really prefer that we continue to shore up our defense at the wing positions.


Why do the Pacers need Ross? Isn't one of Daniels' forte "D"? Ross and Daniels play the same positions. Personally, if the Pacers are going to keep Daniels, I'd like to see him earn his paycheck. If he can't, then he was no place on the team. That's right the Simons are paying him 6.8 mil to be non-rotational player with an expiring contract!!

Now, someone tell me why TPTB traded Cro's expiring for Daniels? That has to be one of the 2 to 3 top blunders of the last 3 years! JMOAA
That's where we differ.....I don't consider Marquis part of the Pacers future. I really think that Marquis' game fit the type of offense that Carlisle was running and not the type of offense that Nellie was running in Dallas. That's why I think we acquired him way back when.

IMHO...he's the one player on the Pacers roster that has had AS MANY off-court issue that TPTB has not mentioned as a possible trade candidate that I am pretty sure will be shopped at some point due to his value as an Expiring Contract.

By the end of the season....I'm hoping that we simply let Marquis expire.....but I'm guessing that he will be moved for our future backup PF.

As for why I want Ross on the team?

I concede that there may not really be a need for him since we do have Brandon...who was supposed to fill that role. But since we have enough scorers on this team....IMHO....we can never have enough defensive minded players to compliment them in the lineup. At best.....Ross would be a roleplayer on this team. To me...this means that at worst....I can see a player like Ross play next to Brandon in the GF rotation...and at best, play ahead of Brandon in the lineup when Ross is the better choice at defending the opposing SG.

Justin Tyme
07-26-2008, 11:25 AM
That's where we differ.....I don't consider Marquis part of the Pacers future. I really think that Marquis' game fit the type of offense that Carlisle was running and not the type of offense that Nellie was running in Dallas. That's why I think we acquired him way back when.


I don't see Quis having a future with this team. I just stated the obvious of why get and pay Ross, who is a 1 dimensional player, when Quis is being paid 6.8 mil to be a non-rotational just like Ross would be. Again, acquiring Ross puts the roster at 17. What 2 players are going to get cut, and the Simons eat their salary in order to get Ross? You then might as well add the larger of the 2 salaries cut to Ross' salary b/c that's what he will have cost the Pacers to acquire him.

Sorry, I don't see the Pacers needing Ross' "D" with Jack and Russ at what it's going to cost. If he's that great, why hasn't he been re-signed by his team or why hasn't another team already signed him? He's a 1 trick pony that teams can't afford is my guess as to why. JMOAA