PDA

View Full Version : Where's the most accurate place for NBA salaries these days?



Hicks
07-08-2008, 02:20 PM
I used to think Hoopshype, and ESPN.com has their own, and I know of a third place being mentioned here not too long ago as the current "best", but I don't remember what it is.

I'm looking for whichever should be the best these days because I will soon be posting an updated Roster here on PD, and I wanted to include their salary as well.

Thanks!

avoidingtheclowns
07-08-2008, 02:22 PM
ShamSports.com
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp

they seem to be light years ahead of hoopshype

Hicks
07-08-2008, 02:27 PM
What makes them light years ahead of hoopshype?

count55
07-08-2008, 02:41 PM
Shamsports is generally more accurate regarding both the nature of the contracts and the dollar amounts. There have been others, but the easiest example was with Jeff Foster. Hoopshype continues to report a Player Option at $6,175, but it's been confirmed by sources within the Pacers that the guaranteed (no Option) $5,500 Hoopshype is reporting is more accurate.

Does that make them light years better? That's your call. I just know that their figures are in sync with the multiple trade machines, while Hoopshype tends to get discombobulated from time-to-time? I don't know why.

Beowulfas
07-08-2008, 02:47 PM
What makes them light years ahead of hoopshype?

For example hoopshype somehow does not have data about Devin Harris new contract.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nets.jsp

avoidingtheclowns
07-08-2008, 02:57 PM
What makes them light years ahead of hoopshype?

light years was hyperbole.

but hoopshype can be really off the mark. a couple pacer-related examples: they listed (for 07-08) foster as having an expiring contract is that they had foster with an expiring contract and quis as having both years guarenteed (instead of a team option for 08-09.) they still list foster as having a player option for this season. they're also usually pretty far behind on players we have on the cap.


though shamsports isn't perfect either. like look at the wizards: they list deshawn stevenson, nick young and olesksiy pecherov all have their salaries listed in pounds. now either that is a shamsports error or deshawn stevenson was a genius to convert his salary when he renegotiated his contract.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/wizards.jsp

count55
07-08-2008, 03:20 PM
light years was hyperbole.

but hoopshype can be really off the mark. a couple pacer-related examples: they listed (for 07-08) foster as having an expiring contract is that they had foster with an expiring contract and quis as having both years guarenteed (instead of a team option for 08-09.) they still list foster as having a player option for this season. they're also usually pretty far behind on players we have on the cap.


though shamsports isn't perfect either. like look at the wizards: they list deshawn stevenson, nick young and olesksiy pecherov all have their salaries listed in pounds. now either that is a shamsports error or deshawn stevenson was a genius to convert his salary when he renegotiated his contract.
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/wizards.jsp


Well, I suspect that's more of a typo than an error, per se. The numbers appear to be appropriate for dollars, it just has the symbol for GBP. I'd expect a much greater difference with the GBP trading at close to $2.

Speed
07-08-2008, 03:26 PM
Pacers have roughly 22 million in expiring contracts after this year, wow. And only Foster or Nesto is one you'd probably want to keep.

I can't even say how valuable that will be at the trade deadline this year, if you really want to excelleratet the process. I just hope Bird doesn't settle for a Vince Carter type deal and finds a piece that actually fits.

Just think if you could move Foster for a future #1 and then you'd have all the makings of a blockbuster with the trifecta of a pick, expiring contract, and maybe a young guy like Shawne.

Mourning
07-08-2008, 03:41 PM
Pacers have roughly 22 million in expiring contracts after this year, wow. And only Foster or Nesto is one you'd probably want to keep.

I can't even say how valuable that will be at the trade deadline this year, if you really want to excelleratet the process. I just hope Bird doesn't settle for a Vince Carter type deal and finds a piece that actually fits.

Just think if you could move Foster for a future #1 and then you'd have all the makings of a blockbuster with the trifecta of a pick, expiring contract, and maybe a young guy like Shawne.

That's why I'm not in favour of making an important deal this summer yet, but near the trading deadline in february or at the latest in the next summer.

Beowulfas
07-08-2008, 03:48 PM
What is the difference between early termination and player option?

count55
07-08-2008, 03:56 PM
What is the difference between early termination and player option?

I believe the difference is that the on a Player option, the player has to officially "pick up" the option for it to be in effect, whereas the ETO has to be exercised by the player to end the contract. Using JO as an example, he had an ETO. If he had done nothing by the ETO deadline (June 30, I believe), the default would've been that he would be under contract with the Pacers for the following year. If, instead, it had been a "Player Option", and he'd done nothing (in terms of notification) prior to the deadline, then he would've been out of work.

ETO - default is player remains under contract (if no action taken)
Player Option - default is player is not under contract (if no action taken)

I think...does that make sense?

avoidingtheclowns
07-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Well, I suspect that's more of a typo than an error, per se. The numbers appear to be appropriate for dollars, it just has the symbol for GBP. I'd expect a much greater difference with the GBP trading at close to $2.

circa july 2007

DeShawn: Nick, Peche. Come here.

Peche: What is up my brother of mother another?

DeShawn: You should probably not talk. Again. Ever.

Nick: Okay so what?

DeShawn: Have you signed your contracts yet?

Nick: We were both heading up there to sign.

DeShawn: Is your contract in American dollars?

Nick: Umm yeah, what else would we get?

Peche: I requested Loonies.

DeShawn: What did I tell you about talking? Nick, you've got it all wrong. Go up there and demand pounds.

Peche: I has enough trouble putting on weight on Heywood's all fried twinkie diet.

DeShawn: British pounds, the economic realities have yet to sink in with you yet because you're a rookie Nick and Peche here looks like Stewie from Family Guy.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2204/1593720648_496b2cfe5b.jpg

Peche: It is time for sexy party!

DeShawn: A market based exchange rate will change whenever the values of either of the two component currencies change. A currency will tend to become more valuable whenever demand for it is greater than the available supply... look, this will make sense to you in a few years Nick. Just trust me on this.

Nick: They'll never go for it.


months later

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2649984963_07c0137c8e_o.jpg

avoidingtheclowns
07-08-2008, 04:05 PM
kind of on topic... if you want some more information about HoopsHype here is an article from WSJ in March 2008 (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120605508959553157.html?mod=hps_us_at_glance_mm)



The NBA's Top Gossips

How Three Nobodies Built Basketball's
Most Powerful News Site -- From Spain

By RUSSELL ADAMS
March 21, 2008; Page W1

Madrid

General managers, agents, sportswriters and knowledgeable fans of the National Basketball Association log on every morning to Hoopshype.com (http://hoopshype.com/) for the latest in news and gossip.

The pro basketball Web site has influenced player moves, stoked rivalries and now attracts more than a half-million unique visitors a month after starting from scratch in 2002. NBA coaches read it to check in on their job status, and rumors posted there have put trades in motion. "It's required reading for every member of my staff," says Bill Duffy, an NBA agent in Walnut Creek, Calif.

It's also been a mystery. For all its popularity, few had any idea who was behind it.

After six years of anonymity, the architects of Hoopshype.com have come forward, and they turn out to be a surprising squad: three 29-year-old men working from their apartments in Spain. Collectively, they've been to two NBA games, although they watch on TV. One of them doesn't even like the sport.

How three Spaniards became the town criers of a major North American sports league is another reminder of how the Internet is helping displace traditional reporting with specialized sites and forums that feature a mix of rumors, news and opinion. "I like the fact that what I do has an impact on the NBA outside of my country," says Hoopshype founder Jorge Sierra.

On a recent February afternoon, after the news broke that the Miami Heat planned to trade center Shaquille O'Neal to the Phoenix Suns, the bilingual Hoopshype team gathered in a small third-floor apartment in the Salamanca neighborhood of Madrid to work the story. Raúl Barrigón hunched over a computer in the smaller of the two bedrooms. He scoured the Web for tidbits, trying to make sense of the trade...
CLICK HERE FOR FULL ARTICLE (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120605508959553157.html?mod=hps_us_at_glance_mm)

Doddage
07-08-2008, 04:41 PM
Well, I suspect that's more of a typo than an error, per se. The numbers appear to be appropriate for dollars, it just has the symbol for GBP. I'd expect a much greater difference with the GBP trading at close to $2.
You realize he was joking, right?

MyFavMartin
07-08-2008, 06:14 PM
Pacers have roughly 22 million in expiring contracts after this year, wow. And only Foster or Nesto is one you'd probably want to keep.


So if one is resigned for 5-7 mill and 10-12 of it is spent on Granger, that leaves us with 3-7 mill?

Will Galen
07-08-2008, 08:30 PM
I used to think Hoopshype, and ESPN.com has their own, and I know of a third place being mentioned here not too long ago as the current "best", but I don't remember what it is.

I'm looking for whichever should be the best these days because I will soon be posting an updated Roster here on PD, and I wanted to include their salary as well.

Thanks!

Already been done.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=39913

Hicks
07-08-2008, 09:34 PM
I don't mean a post about it. I mean an actual web page.

LG33
07-08-2008, 09:46 PM
atc, i see what you're saying, but if it was really a good idea to convert to pounds you'd know antonio daniels would have done it by now. dude is head and shoulders above deshawn when it comes to smarts - he got 73 out of 100 questions right on an iq test...and he did it all one-handed.

VF21
07-09-2008, 02:18 AM
I believe the difference is that the on a Player option, the player has to officially "pick up" the option for it to be in effect, whereas the ETO has to be exercised by the player to end the contract. Using JO as an example, he had an ETO. If he had done nothing by the ETO deadline (June 30, I believe), the default would've been that he would be under contract with the Pacers for the following year. If, instead, it had been a "Player Option", and he'd done nothing (in terms of notification) prior to the deadline, then he would've been out of work.

ETO - default is player remains under contract (if no action taken)
Player Option - default is player is not under contract (if no action taken)

I think...does that make sense?

There's a great site I've had bookmarked that seems to have answers for all the questions like this.

Check out:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

VF21
07-09-2008, 02:21 AM
I don't mean a post about it. I mean an actual web page.

There's a wealth of info here and I've always found it reliable:

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/index.html

burnzone
07-09-2008, 03:02 AM
DraftExpress has the best NBA salary page I've found yet, if you go to the drop down menu, the Pacers page has some of our new players listed for 08/09, except for the rookie draft picks.

They do get some of their numbers from Shamsports though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/

count55
07-09-2008, 08:52 AM
You realize he was joking, right?

What have you seen about me that would lead you to think that I was even remotely perceptive?

count55
07-09-2008, 08:54 AM
DraftExpress has the best NBA salary page I've found yet, if you go to the drop down menu, the Pacers page has some of our new players listed for 08/09, except for the rookie draft picks.

They do get some of their numbers from Shamsports though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/


That is very good...Nice find...I like the cap holds section.

Doddage
07-09-2008, 08:57 AM
What have you seen about me that would lead you to think that I was even remotely perceptive?
Several essays.

count55
07-09-2008, 09:22 AM
That is very good...Nice find...I like the cap holds section.

Although, I notice now that they have the 08-09 salaries for a couple of guys like Nesterovic and McRoberts and Jack in the 07-08 column. I'm sure that's just a transitional thing, though...still a cool set up.