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Shade
07-04-2008, 02:06 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9335


The news that Baron Davis is leaving town has hit several of his teammates hard. In particular Al Harrington believes Davis' departure will destroy the Warriors. He's even hinting that he may ask for a trade if he doesn't like what he hears from GM Chris Mullin when they meet in the next few days.

The key here may be Brand. If the Warriors can lure him away from the Clippers it would be a huge step towards showing Harrington and others that the team is not about to enter a rebuilding phase. If the Warriors allow that perception to slip out things could start to fall apart quickly, as they have a number of free agents who would be more inclined to listen to offers from contenders than sit around and wait for a youth movement centered around Brandan Wright to come to fruition.

That was a short honeymoon.

Al, my boy...something tells me you need not demand anything. I'm sure they've been shopping you for the better part of a year.

Jose Slaughter
07-04-2008, 02:11 PM
What the reporter fails to mention is, if they bring in Brand, why would they even need Harrington?

Time to grow up Al, you should be gone either way.

BlueNGold
07-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Al is not that good and should feel fortunate to be playing anywhere. He's a starter on a very bad team. Otherwise, he is a 6 or 7th man off the bench. Nothing like a bench player demanding a trade. Who really cares? His value is not that great anymore.

Mourning
07-04-2008, 02:14 PM
That was a short honeymoon.

Al, my boy...something tells me you need not demand anything. I'm sure they've been shopping you for the better part of a year.

Precisely what I was thinking :nod:.

PR07
07-04-2008, 02:17 PM
I'd still trade Troy Murphy or Tinsley back for him if that says much. I think he'd be a good fit in Cleveland.

CableKC
07-04-2008, 02:21 PM
It's been brought up....but Bird should call up Mullin and see if they would be interested in swapping Tinsley+Graham for Harrington.

:signit:

And before you say it....yes, I would do it just to get Tinsley off of our books. We need to get rid of Tinlsey and Harrington is somewhat ( if barely ) serviceable as a rotational PF.

PaceBalls
07-04-2008, 02:26 PM
I think Al would be great in our offense as it is right now.

CableKC
07-04-2008, 02:36 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9335



That was a short honeymoon.

Al, my boy...something tells me you need not demand anything. I'm sure they've been shopping you for the better part of a year.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see the same article being written for SJax asking for a trade in a day or two...or when Brand turns down the offer to go to the Warriors and stay with the Clippers.

ajbry
07-04-2008, 02:49 PM
Al is a really nice guy and his teammates have always seemed to love him, but his value - in his mind - has been inflated for years now...

Although when the trade happened a lot of people said Al was the best player. Dude was statistically worse than Jack and people still said it for some reason.

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-04-2008, 03:08 PM
Cause people always hate on Jack, rarely giving him his due. Jack one of my favorite players and people, a lot of people just take him the wrong way. Who ever thought Al was the better player in that deal was proven wrong these past years in GS. Jack has been tearing it up, but it looks like he might be on his way out of GS as well.

Oneal07
07-04-2008, 03:27 PM
LOl. . .there's no way the Warriors are getting Brand. Baron Davis is gonna go where ever Brand goes, Guaranteed

imawhat
07-04-2008, 03:48 PM
I think this is why we traded Al in the first place, along with his inability to fit in with Carlisle's system. He's a malcontent.

He has no idea how good he has it in GS, and to me it proves that he won't be happy anywhere.

Justin Tyme
07-04-2008, 03:54 PM
he is a 6 or 7th man off the bench. Nothing like a bench player demanding a trade.


Hum, deja vu!

JHcutt18
07-04-2008, 03:57 PM
LOl. . .there's no way the Warriors are getting Brand. Baron Davis is gonna go where ever Brand goes, Guaranteed


lol, so let me get this straight, if Brand takes the money and goes to GS, your saying Baron will follow him back......:crazy:

ajbry
07-04-2008, 03:57 PM
I think this is why we traded Al in the first place, along with his inability to fit in with Carlisle's system. He's a malcontent.

He has no idea how good he has it in GS, and to me it proves that he won't be happy anywhere.

Exactly... Nellie tried to make the most of him and yet Al struggled to find a consistent role - not due to Nellie's rotations and strategies - but due to his own flaws and inability to do what the team needed. He was yanked in and out of the starting lineup due to his rebounding deficiencies. Then, Nellie tried to insert him as the 'super-sub', providing a quick spark off the bench when BD and Jack were tired, and that netted sporadic results to say the least. And Al's last - and most predominant role in '07-08 - was to be the 3-point specialist and bring the opposition's big guy outside and allow the big three to drive to the hoop at will. He got tons of open looks from deep (the most I've ever seen actually in the NBA), yet was underwhelming in terms of overall production.

CableKC
07-04-2008, 03:58 PM
I think this is why we traded Al in the first place, along with his inability to fit in with Carlisle's system. He's a malcontent.

He has no idea how good he has it in GS, and to me it proves that he won't be happy anywhere.
I could actually see valid reasons why he would be happy playing with the Warriors...or specifically Nellie and his penchant to play Small Ball. Playing Harrington at the Center spot isn't necessarily a good idea....talk about setting up one for failure.

I don't know if he would be any worse playing in another Up-tempo offense like the Pacers....but he can't be any worse of a malcontent then Tinsley is.

ABADays
07-04-2008, 04:14 PM
Cause people always hate on Jack, rarely giving him his due. Jack one of my favorite players and people, a lot of people just take him the wrong way. Who ever thought Al was the better player in that deal was proven wrong these past years in GS. Jack has been tearing it up, but it looks like he might be on his way out of GS as well.

Isn't that the way it always is with guys like Jax - people just don't understand. Why would he be on the way out? Isn't he the captain. Time to right the ship sir.

PacerGuy
07-04-2008, 06:09 PM
It's been brought up....but Bird should call up Mullin and see if they would be interested in swapping Tinsley+Graham for Harrington.

:signit:

And before you say it....yes, I would do it just to get Tinsley off of our books. We need to get rid of Tinlsey and Harrington is somewhat ( if barely ) serviceable as a rotational PF.
Dare to Dream....
Al for Tin's as center-pieces in Any deal is a no-brainer for us. The Tin-man needs to go ASAP, & we need a low post 4 who can shoot in JOB's offense. Do that deal yesterday!!!.....

Anthem
07-04-2008, 06:50 PM
Exactly... Nellie tried to make the most of him and yet Al struggled to find a consistent role - not due to Nellie's rotations and strategies - but due to his own flaws and inability to do what the team needed. He was yanked in and out of the starting lineup due to his rebounding deficiencies. Then, Nellie tried to insert him as the 'super-sub', providing a quick spark off the bench when BD and Jack were tired, and that netted sporadic results to say the least. And Al's last - and most predominant role in '07-08 - was to be the 3-point specialist and bring the opposition's big guy outside and allow the big three to drive to the hoop at will. He got tons of open looks from deep (the most I've ever seen actually in the NBA), yet was underwhelming in terms of overall production.
You know the best part? Every single word here is perfect for Austin Croshere, except substitute "Zeke" for "Nellie."

Rajah Brown
07-04-2008, 07:13 PM
PacerGuy-

Maybe, but do we really need an 'all about me' guy like Al who
has no interest in playing defense and even if he did, would
probably take at least a year before he'd figure Harter's
system out (or, was he here the first go around w/ Dick ?) ?

If Tinsley is heading to GS, given that Al's contract would be a
another dealable expiring at the end of next season, I suppose
it might be palatable. But otherwise no thanks.

Note: Croz24 tossed out the notion of taking Al to try an pry
Brandon Wright loose. I haven't seen enough of BW, but
if he's a legit, potential long term fit at PF, that might make
some sense too.

PaceBalls
07-04-2008, 07:23 PM
You know the best part? Every single word here is perfect for Austin Croshere, except substitute "Zeke" for "Nellie."

Wow you are right.

"Exactly... Isaiah tried to make the most of him and yet Austin struggled to find a consistent role - not due to Isaiah's rotations and strategies - but due to his own flaws and inability to do what the team needed. He was yanked in and out of the starting lineup due to his rebounding deficiencies. Then, Isaiah tried to insert him as the 'super-sub', providing a quick spark off the bench when Reggie and JO were tired, and that netted sporadic results to say the least. And Austin's last - and most predominant role in '99-'00 was to be the 3-point specialist and bring the opposition's big guy outside and allow the big three to drive to the hoop at will. He got tons of open looks from deep (the most I've ever seen actually in the NBA), yet was underwhelming in terms of overall production."

Plus he is (was) really overpaid!

That being said I think Al would fit us better than Cro would now days.

d_c
07-04-2008, 07:31 PM
PacerGuy-

Maybe, but do we really need an 'all about me' guy like Al who
has no interest in playing defense and even if he did, would
probably take at least a year before he'd figure Harter's
system out (or, was he here the first go around w/ Dick ?) ?

If Tinsley is heading to GS, given that Al's contract would be a
another dealable expiring at the end of next season, I suppose
it might be palatable. But otherwise no thanks.

Note: Croz24 tossed out the notion of taking Al to try an pry
Brandon Wright loose. I haven't seen enough of BW, but
if he's a legit, potential long term fit at PF, that might make
some sense too.

I don't think any of that is going to happen.

The Warriors (just like 29 other teams in the league) don't want anything to do with Tinsley. Assuming the Warriors fall flat on their face and can't lure any FA, then I see a complete overhaul coming and both Jackson and Harrington will likely be dealt.

And they won't be all that difficult to deal. Not nearly as difficult as Tinsley and Murphy, which is a big reason they made that trade to begin with. Certainly, they're not going to get rid of Brandan Wright just so they can drop Harrington's contract 1 year earlier.

Anthem
07-04-2008, 08:06 PM
The Warriors (just like 29 other teams in the league) don't want anything to do with Tinsley. Assuming the Warriors fall flat on their face and can't lure any FA, then I see a complete overhaul coming and both Jackson and Harrington will likely be dealt.

And they won't be all that difficult to deal. Not nearly as difficult as Tinsley and Murphy, which is a big reason they made that trade to begin with. Certainly, they're not going to get rid of Brandan Wright just so they can drop Harrington's contract 1 year earlier.
Sad but true.

PacerGuy
07-04-2008, 08:21 PM
I don't think any of that is going to happen.

The Warriors (just like 29 other teams in the league) don't want anything to do with Tinsley. Assuming the Warriors fall flat on their face and can't lure any FA, then I see a complete overhaul coming and both Jackson and Harrington will likely be dealt.

And they won't be all that difficult to deal. Not nearly as difficult as Tinsley and Murphy, which is a big reason they made that trade to begin with. Certainly, they're not going to get rid of Brandan Wright just so they can drop Harrington's contract 1 year earlier.
Agreed.
My point was we jump at almost any deal that sends Tin's out. I will admit to Al's faults, but vs Tin's, he is "Citizen of the Year". Hell, I'd do a Tin's & Daniels for K-Mart deal at this point just to say good by to Tins. It would fill our PF spot too. Now, this is far from an ideal deal too, but we are not going to get an "ideal deal" for Tin's at this point.

Shade
07-04-2008, 08:33 PM
And they won't be all that difficult to deal. Not nearly as difficult as Tinsley and Murphy, which is a big reason they made that trade to begin with.

Wow, somehow the Warriors managed to acquire Tinsley and send him back to us without him ever suiting up for the Dubs? Mullin's a genius! :-o

Shade
07-04-2008, 08:39 PM
I'm starting to understand why Al's so upset. Baron's #3 on his MySpace Top Friends list! (http://www.myspace.com/official_alharrington)

Kegboy
07-04-2008, 09:03 PM
You know the best part? Every single word here is perfect for Austin Croshere, except substitute "Zeke" for "Nellie."

:highfive:

DgR
07-04-2008, 09:11 PM
theres absolutely no player in this league who's not good enough to be traded for Tinsley. I would literally take any player available. I would welcome Al bck with open arms. This is no situation to be picky

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Isn't that the way it always is with guys like Jax - people just don't understand. Why would he be on the way out? Isn't he the captain. Time to right the ship sir.

Jack isn't looking to be part of a sinking ship. He doesn't want to rebuild. He's probably in his prime right now, and I wouldn't blame him for looking to go somewhere else and contend. Especially if one of his closest friends in Al leaves and there's rumors Monta might look to leave as well. Makes you think, who is gonna be the star of that team if the core leave? Marco Bellinelli might finally get his shot.

ABADays
07-04-2008, 11:08 PM
If this all happens there are going to be some P*SSED OFF fans in the Bay Area.

TheSauceMaster
07-04-2008, 11:10 PM
theres absolutely no player in this league who's not good enough to be traded for Tinsley. I would literally take any player available. I would welcome Al bck with open arms. This is no situation to be picky

I disagree as much as I want Tinsley gone , I don't want Al back. I don't miss the Blackhole. It's his fault he's in this situation. Let Him Suffer.:devil: I think Larry Bird is going to hold out and if it comes down to it , they buyout Tinsley. It's way to early to panic.

ABADays
07-04-2008, 11:16 PM
Jack isn't looking to be part of a sinking ship. He doesn't want to rebuild. He's probably in his prime right now, and I wouldn't blame him for looking to go somewhere else and contend. Especially if one of his closest friends in Al leaves and there's rumors Monta might look to leave as well. Makes you think, who is gonna be the star of that team if the core leave? Marco Bellinelli might finally get his shot.

I wonder if Jackson would consider Sacramento. Nice little reunion there.

Anthem
07-04-2008, 11:29 PM
I disagree as much as I want Tinsley gone , I don't want Al back. I don't miss the Blackhole. It's his fault he's in this situation. Let Him Suffer.:devil: I think Larry Bird is going to hold out and if it comes down to it , they buyout Tinsley. It's way to early to panic.
If we're going to buy somebody out, let's buy out Al instead. Lots cheaper.

But I wouldn't buy him out... he's movable. Much more so than Tinsley.

TheSauceMaster
07-05-2008, 12:24 AM
If we're going to buy somebody out, let's buy out Al instead. Lots cheaper.

But I wouldn't buy him out... he's movable. Much more so than Tinsley.

I'll agree with that somewhat. I do think it's a little early to panic at this point. It's really hard to embrace someone who has already been on the team 2 times already. I'm not sure the fans would embrace Al for a 3rd time.

idioteque
07-05-2008, 12:26 AM
I would even take Al back for Tinsley. I wouldn't play him hardly and all, hell I'd be more willing to play Stephen Graham. Al has some value however and after keeping him for another half season we could always move him for a serviceable backup big with an expiring contract.

Anthem
07-05-2008, 12:44 AM
I'll agree with that somewhat. I do think it's a little early to panic at this point. It's really hard to embrace someone who has already been on the team 2 times already. I'm not sure the fans would embrace Al for a 3rd time.
Who cares? They wouldn't hate him like they do Tinsley.

d_c
07-05-2008, 01:33 AM
Wow, somehow the Warriors managed to acquire Tinsley and send him back to us without him ever suiting up for the Dubs? Mullin's a genius! :-o

To be more clear, the trade I'm talking about was that one from Jan. 2007

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-05-2008, 07:07 AM
I wonder if Jackson would consider Sacramento. Nice little reunion there.

Haha that would be something. Either that or wherever Ron ends up when he gets traded. I'd love to see them paired up again. The Bash Brothers re-united! Imagine them in Denver, with Melo, Al, JR Smith and KMart...

Naptown_Seth
07-05-2008, 01:55 PM
Al meet Saras, Saras meet Al. Oddly both found Rick AND Nellie to be unreasonable coaches. Jack, for all his uncontrolled emotion in the heat of the moment, does keep coming back and trying to be what the coach needs (until emotion again distracts him).

This is why I stick up for Jack. Because to me it's guys like Al, Saras and Artest who whine and moan about their talent, their chances, their coaches and then continue to be a distraction that are the real team killers.

I'll take Jack's attitude because at least I think he gives a s*** and will recognize when he's F'd up, at least by the next day. Harrington's pouting over Rick made me more than happy to see him gone.

Naptown_Seth
07-05-2008, 02:02 PM
Let's also keep in mind that Tinsley is now sporting an extra 25-35 pounds apparently, enough to shock people that see him. Dude is done. It's not the attitude that will kill trades, it's the shape he's in. NO ONE is going to want him and it's possible he doesn't even want to play anymore anyway.

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-05-2008, 02:40 PM
That's why I stick up for Jack too. Also, I'd love to be his teammate cause if anything happens I know he has my back. He'll do anything for the people he cares about and I respect that. You can say oh he's a thug, gets in fights, shoot off his gun..but if something happens I wouldn't worry cause I'd know he'd go to war with me.

Anthem
07-05-2008, 03:33 PM
Let's also keep in mind that Tinsley is now sporting an extra 25-35 pounds apparently, enough to shock people that see him.
Do we know that? I thought it was one unconfirmed throwaway comment on a radio show.

Has there been any corroboration at all?

Hicks
07-05-2008, 03:52 PM
It came from Mike Wells on the radio during an interview. I believe the interviewer said, 'I heard he's gained X pounds.' To which Wells said, 'I heard Z.' I believe one guess was in the 15-25 range, the other more like 20-30 range.

Anthem
07-05-2008, 04:01 PM
So that's it? Our only source is Mike Wells?

Hicks
07-05-2008, 04:02 PM
So that's it? Our only source is Mike Wells?

No, both were aware of it (whomever the radio host was, and Mike). Since when is the Star's Pacers beat reporter a lousy source? Bland writing does not a poor source make.

ifoK
07-05-2008, 05:30 PM
I can't blame him. The Warriors are sinking like the Titanic. They also lived up to their history of drafting dud big men (Diogu, O'Bryant, Wright) with the Anthony Randolph selection.

Kegboy
07-06-2008, 11:55 AM
No, both were aware of it (whomever the radio host was, and Mike). Since when is the Star's Pacers beat reporter a lousy source? Bland writing does not a poor source make.

But he's not the source. "I heard" does not make him the source, just the outlet to a rumor.

Hicks
07-06-2008, 12:03 PM
I guess I give Mike Wells more credit than to carelessly throw that out over the air if he was hearing it from somewhere he didn't know or trust.

Anthem
07-06-2008, 12:49 PM
I guess I give Mike Wells more credit than to carelessly throw that out over the air if he was hearing it from somewhere he didn't know or trust.
Dude. It's Mike Wells.

You honestly look at the guy and think "Now there's a careful reporter?"

grace
07-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Over the last couple years I've learned that "sources" around the Pacers are pretty much not reliable at all. Now I'm not saying that their information is bad. It just seems that most of what I hear never sees the light of day.

Kegboy
07-06-2008, 04:51 PM
For all we know it's the same guy who said Ron had migraines.