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Since86
06-16-2008, 04:36 PM
WOW!!!!!

I hope you you got to watch some of it, because it will go down as one of the best. Tiger really is the best that's ever swung a club. Considering everything with his knee, it being at Torrey Pines, and against one of his good friends it has to rank up there as one of his most memorial wins.

I understand why some people can't stand watching golf, but that was just an amazing ending. It will be talked about for a long time.

Gyron
06-16-2008, 04:53 PM
I've wasted a whole day watching that one at work. AMAZING finish. I thought tiger was done on the 18th, and Mediate missed his chance.

Tiger really does have nerves of steel.

Trader Joe
06-16-2008, 05:32 PM
With Tiger its not a matter of if, but when. He simply does not lose in the clutch.

Since86
06-18-2008, 12:09 PM
It's been reported now that Tiger is done for the rest of the season because he needs more surgery. I guess he also has a broken Tibia.

He and other writers have called this his best win ever, and the story just got bigger.

I thought he may have uped the pain a bit in his facial expressions. When people have injuries and they perform badly a lot of the blame goes to the injury even if it didn't affect them as much as they say it did. So I wasn't sure if on bad shots he winced, on good ones he kept straight faced, but now I know even doubting him was dumb.

Considering the damage he has, walking the 10+ miles everyday the PGA has estimated it takes to play a round, it truly is amazing he played let alone won in the fashion he did.

If anyone can ever take the title as the best golfer ever away from him, they better be shooting 10+ under routinely.

Gyron
06-18-2008, 12:15 PM
The story is saying he knew about the broken tibia as it was found just before the US open.

He is truly one of the best if not THE best golfers of all time to play in the PGA.

DisplacedKnick
06-18-2008, 01:12 PM
Hopefully he didn't just screw up his career. Surgery's a great thing and I guess the stress of golf isn't the same as basketball (though it is a repetitive motion that places a great deal of pressure on some areas) but it sounds like he really abused the joint.

Tiger's in that group of fantastic players I root against now. Reminds me of the Bulls - I was very happy for them and MJ when they won their 1st title. The second was cool too but by the time they got to the 3rd enough was enough.

When Tiger first came up I was shouting for him as much as anyone but he's won enough now - he needs to struggle (not with an injury though).

Jeff Gordon is my classic example of a guy whose life was perfect so I couldn't stand him but the house crashed down enough that I like him again.

grace
06-18-2008, 01:48 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-woodsfuture&prov=ap&type=lgns&print=1

Tiger Woods to have season-ending knee surgery

By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer
12 minutes ago

AP - Jun 18, 11:40 am EDT

Tiger Woods is done for the year, but not without one last major that he said might have been his best ever.

Woods explained why Wednesday when he revealed he will have season-ending surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left knee that he injured 10 months ago.

He also suffered a double stress fracture of his left tibia two weeks before the U.S. Open, ignoring doctors’ advice to take six weeks off to let it heal. And he still won the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines, going 91 holes over five days on a knee that was getting worse.

“Now, it is clear that the right thing to do is to listen to my doctors, follow through with this surgery and focus my attention on rehabilitating my knee,” Woods said on his Web site.

He had arthroscopic surgery April 15 to clean out cartilage in his left knee, bypassing ACL surgery with hopes it could get him through the 2008 season. But the stress fracture and a ligament that could no longer sustain a powerful swing made it impossible to keep going.


Woods did not say when he would have surgery. His swing coach, Hank Haney, said the recovery is typically six to eight months.

“He’s been playing way less than 100 percent for a long, long, time,” Haney said. “It has limited him a lot in practice. He’s going to come back better than he’s ever been.”

Woods was last seen in public late Monday afternoon walking with a pronounced limp across Torrey Pines toward the parking lot, the U.S. Open trophy in his arms.

Upcoming surgery makes his 14th major title even more staggering—despite the stress fractures, he managed to win a U.S. Open that required five days of flinching, grimacing and a long list of spectacular shots that have defined his career.

“Although I will miss the rest of the 2008 season, I’m thrilled with the fact that last week was such a special tournament,” Woods said.

He won despite doctors telling him to rest.

Haney was with him in Florida when doctors told Woods the preferred treatment for the stress fractures was three weeks on crutches and three weeks of inactivity.

“Tiger looked at the doctor and said, ‘I’m playing in the U.S. Open, and I’m going to win.’ And then he started putting on his shoes,” Haney said. “He looked at me and said, ‘Come on, Hank. We’ll just putt today.”’

Woods’ ledger for 2008 is a career for some players.

He played only seven times worldwide and won five times, including a major that allowed him to join Jack Nicklaus as the only players to capture the career Grand Slam three times over.

But he will miss a major for the first time in his career—the British Open next month at Royal Birkdale and the PGA Championship in August at Oakland Hills, where Woods is the two-time defending champion.

“Tiger is an enormous attraction, there’s no denying that,” Royal & Ancient chief executive Peter Dawson said. “But the Open Championship has had many exciting finishes which Tiger has not been part of, and I’m sure there will be more. It’s very sad. We’re very sorry that he’s succumbed to the injury and he won’t be competing in the Open.

“We hope he has the speediest recovery.”


Woods also will miss the Ryder Cup in September, meaning the ninth player on the U.S. standings will qualify for the team.

The majors won’t miss Woods nearly as much as the PGA Tour, especially with its second year of the FedEx Cup that Woods won in a landslide a year ago.

“Tiger is our tour,” Kenny Perry said from the Travelers Championship. “When you lose your star player, it definitely hurts.”

The PGA Tour said in a statement that its concern—as it would be for any player—is for Woods’ health and well being, both on and off the golf course.

“We wish him the best toward a speedy recovery,” the statement said.

It will be the third surgery in five years on his left knee, although Woods said doctors have assured him the outlook is positive. When asked Monday if he further damaged his knee by playing in the U.S. Open, Woods said, “Maybe.”

Doctors have told him, however, that the stress fractures will heal with time.


Woods is ultra private with his health and personal life, never more so than at the U.S. Open. He never mentioned the torn ACL or the stress fracture, and wouldn’t say how he was treating it, only that it was more sore as the week went on.

Perhaps the biggest surprise was when the injury first happened.

Woods said he tore the ACL while jogging at home after the British Open last July. He chose not to have surgery and went on a run that included seven consecutive victories, including the Dubai Desert Classic in Europe and his Target World Challenge, an unofficial event.

He did not play overseas late last year for the first time since 2003, hopeful that rest could allow him to play more this year. But the pain intensified through the Masters, where he finished second, and Woods said the cartilage damage developed from the ACL injury.

What he didn’t anticipate were the stress fractures, discovered as he tried to get ready to play in the Memorial.

“The stress fractures that were discovered just prior to the tournament unfortunately prevented me from participating and had a huge impact on the timing for my return,” Woods said. “I was determined though, to do everything and anything in my power to play in the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines, which is a course that is close to where I grew up and holds many special memories for me.”

Woods won for the eighth time at the public golf course in San Diego—a U.S. Open, a record six times at the Buick Invitational, and a Junior World Championship as a teenager.

Trader Joe
06-18-2008, 02:16 PM
Well the story just got a lot more awesome. Shame we won't get to see him play anymore this year, but you know Tiger will come back next year looking for blood.

Gyron
06-18-2008, 02:38 PM
Ok, he won 5 of 7 tournaments with a knee that had a torn ligament. I'd say he's got a good understanding of the game of golf and what it takes to win. Even with an injury.

travmil
06-18-2008, 02:56 PM
Hopefully he didn't just screw up his career...

Even if he never plays another round, Tiger's legacy is secure. He's the greatest golfer to ever strike a ball. In fact, he may be the best athlete of any kind in any sport in history. Even if he comes back as a shell of himself, he's not going to tarnish that.

DisplacedKnick
06-18-2008, 03:00 PM
Even if he never plays another round, Tiger's legacy is secure. He's the greatest golfer to ever strike a ball. In fact, he may be the best athlete of any kind in any sport in history. Even if he comes back as a shell of himself, he's not going to tarnish that.

Not sure about that - I think Nicklaus still has the edge. Take a look at his majors - not just his wins but his top 10's for his career.

Obviously, you pair them head to head in their primes and I think Tiger wins most - but not if you give Jack the same equipment and a few months to train. Then it becomes a dogfight, just like it would with Hogan, Nelson, Jones, etc.

Since86
06-18-2008, 03:12 PM
Jack won 7 majors during the 60's and 8 in the 70's.

Tiger has won 11 majors in the 00's. He's not only on pace to beat every record Jack has, but he's on pace to absoultely destroy them.

travmil
06-18-2008, 03:13 PM
Not sure about that - I think Nicklaus still has the edge. Take a look at his majors - not just his wins but his top 10's for his career.

Obviously, you pair them head to head in their primes and I think Tiger wins most - but not if you give Jack the same equipment and a few months to train. Then it becomes a dogfight, just like it would with Hogan, Nelson, Jones, etc.

No way. Tiger is more dominant than any of those guys ever were. Not only that, but the overall quality of the competition he is facing is better, they have the same equipment, and Tiger makes them look like you and me out there.

DisplacedKnick
06-18-2008, 03:21 PM
Jack won 7 majors during the 60's and 8 in the 70's.

Tiger has won 11 majors in the 00's. He's not only on pace to beat every record Jack has, but he's on pace to absoultely destroy them.

Tough to do if he never plays another round.

travmil
06-18-2008, 03:24 PM
Tough to do if he never plays another round.

Even you don't really believe that he's never going to play again. The fact is that even if Tiger comes back at let's say 80% of what he was before, he's STILL better than the rest of the pros playing today. What's the rest of the PGA gonna do if he really does make a full recovery like his doctors are saying he will?

DisplacedKnick
06-18-2008, 03:31 PM
Even you don't really believe that he's never going to play again. The fact is that even if Tiger comes back at let's say 80% of what he was before, he's STILL better than the rest of the pros playing today. What's the rest of the PGA gonna do if he really does make a full recovery like his doctors are saying he will?

I don't believe it - in fact, I think you were the one who brought up the concept.

Longevity counts for something. There's a reason Bjorn Borg isn't considered the greatest tennis player of all time or Sandy Koufax the greatest pitcher even though for the years they played they were among the most dominant players ever in their games.

Tiger's gonna lap Jack and then some if he stays healthy. I just don't think he's done it yet.

Since86
06-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Tiger is labeled the GOAT by everyone. It really isn't a matter of if and when.

The things he's done, in the amount of time that he's done it shows he's not a flash in the pan type player, or someone that hit a really good stretch.

Arcadian
06-18-2008, 04:52 PM
Tiger still has to win 19 majors.

Since86
06-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Why? In order to be the best ever you have to have won the most championships?

Does that mean John Salley should be remembered as a better player than MJ?

Salley has 7 rings compared to MJ's 6.

Arcadian
06-18-2008, 04:59 PM
Yes, when you are talking about individual sports as opposed to team sports.

Since86
06-18-2008, 05:04 PM
When a career is cut short by injury, which I'm saying would happen if Tiger doesn't get to 19, I think winning percentages would come bigger into play.

But it's a moot point. I would be willing to lay down a wager that Jack even recognizes Tiger as a better golfer.

Arcadian
06-18-2008, 05:09 PM
I'm sure that Tiger will break Jack's record but he still has to do it. If tiger doesn't break the record it will always be, "Tiger may have been the best but Jack still has the record."

grace
06-19-2008, 08:26 AM
GET WELL SOON, TIGER! :pray:

This thread is starting to rival the "Who's the Biggest Wuss" thread (otherwise known as "JO most overrated").

:goodnight