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Anthem
05-31-2008, 09:06 PM
Ok, this is insane. I don't think this is unPD material, because I'm not going to get into the underlying assumptions here. But I can't believe a major network like ABC thought this was a good idea.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/planetslayer/greenhouse_calc.htm

This is supposed to be a kid's game?

Anthem
05-31-2008, 09:10 PM
For what it's worth, I should die at 5.1 years. I live in a small house and drive a gas-efficient car, but it would be better for the planet if I didn't live to the age of six.

That's sickening.

SoupIsGood
05-31-2008, 09:46 PM
I should have died a week or so ago.

Kaufman
05-31-2008, 09:47 PM
this is not ABC as we know it here in the USA but AUSTRALIAN broadcasting...

that said, i died a long time ago.

SycamoreKen
05-31-2008, 11:04 PM
That was incredibly stupid. What the heck kind of question was "How much money did you spend all up last year?" That made no sense.

travmil
05-31-2008, 11:30 PM
Strange. And by strange I mean strange that a simple tool that can help a kid get his head around how the choices he makes can affect the environment should get such a strong negative reaction. I'd have no trouble at all showing this to my daughter or neices and nephews.

grace
05-31-2008, 11:36 PM
I'd have no trouble at all showing this to my daughter or neices and nephews.


Yep, I can just hear my niece now. "But dad, if we go to Indiana (from Texas) to visit grandma and grandpa for Christmas we're all gonna DIE!!!"

Anthem
06-01-2008, 12:08 AM
Strange. And by strange I mean strange that a simple tool that can help a kid get his head around how the choices he makes can affect the environment should get such a strong negative reaction. I'd have no trouble at all showing this to my daughter or neices and nephews.
Again, I'm not getting into how wrong these assumptions are in terms of environmental impact. I'll just say I don't agree with them and leave it at that.

But if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying you'd be happy to show your nieces and nephews a game that says the world would be a better place if they'd died 5 years ago?

What was your number?

rexnom
06-01-2008, 12:58 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't be comfortable showing this to kids. Even though I suspect it's only a "mock" kids' game seeing as kids would have no idea how to answer most of these questions.

I got 11.4.

What's really fishy is that the easy way to shed tonnage is to increase the % of "ethical" investments that you make. If you contribute 100% of your expenditures to these companies, you could live forever according to this calculator. So we're teaching our children that money solves all problems, even if you are driving a gas guzzler. As long as you give your money to one of these groups. Also, this sounds like a lot of corporate/lobby advertisement. Give your money to environmental corporations or die!

Trader Joe
06-01-2008, 02:17 AM
I died at age 7.3.


Guess I showed them.

count55
06-01-2008, 03:20 PM
Well, if you ask my wife and the guy I just fired on Thursday, I should die...yesterday or as soon as reasonably possible.

Stryder
06-01-2008, 07:03 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't be comfortable showing this to kids. Even though I suspect it's only a "mock" kids' game seeing as kids would have no idea how to answer most of these questions.

I got 11.4.

What's really fishy is that the easy way to shed tonnage is to increase the % of "ethical" investments that you make. If you contribute 100% of your expenditures to these companies, you could live forever according to this calculator. So we're teaching our children that money solves all problems, even if you are driving a gas guzzler. As long as you give your money to one of these groups. Also, this sounds like a lot of corporate/lobby advertisement. Give your money to environmental corporations or die!


Exactly. I answered the "worst" possible way each time and set it at 100% ethical investments....I can now live for ever...

I set it as before, but changed to 100% "ordinary stuff", I lived 1.2 years...

Assinine. Whoever wrote this program should be done away with.

bellisimo
06-01-2008, 07:19 PM
did anyone read their reasoning behind the calculator?

apparently each Australian dollar you spend creates 1.6KG of CO2...which is why they are lobbying you to spend your money on investing to companies that provide energy efficient crap...

count55
06-01-2008, 07:21 PM
did anyone read their reasoning behind the calculator?

apparently each Australian dollar you spend creates 1.6KG of CO2...which is why they are lobbying you to spend your money on investing to companies that provide energy efficient crap...

How is that any more relevant than taking the CO2 emissions and dividing it by the number of Long's Donuts that you eat?

bellisimo
06-01-2008, 07:24 PM
its getting close to an UnPD territory...so i'll back it up and say...its a good thing we don't live in Australia to worry about the green peace activists coming after us ;)

grace
06-01-2008, 08:15 PM
How is that any more relevant than taking the CO2 emissions and dividing it by the number of Long's Donuts that you eat?

Do they have Long's Donuts in Australia?

Shade
06-01-2008, 08:33 PM
Apparently, I died over 11 years ago.

Why did nobody tell me?





What a stupid game.

Stryder
06-01-2008, 09:08 PM
did anyone read their reasoning behind the calculator?

apparently each Australian dollar you spend creates 1.6KG of CO2...which is why they are lobbying you to spend your money on investing to companies that provide energy efficient crap...

Correlation without causation.

Invalid logic.

Flawed argument.

End of story.

travmil
06-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Again, I'm not getting into how wrong these assumptions are in terms of environmental impact. I'll just say I don't agree with them and leave it at that.

But if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying you'd be happy to show your nieces and nephews a game that says the world would be a better place if they'd died 5 years ago?

What was your number?

While the premise of the game is off a little bit, the concept is sound. If it were tweaked a little bit it could illustrate very well how choices you make impact the big picture. That's all I'm saying.

Anthem
06-01-2008, 11:21 PM
While the premise of the game is off a little bit, the concept is sound. If it were tweaked a little bit it could illustrate very well how choices you make impact the big picture. That's all I'm saying.
For the thing to work, you'd have to change just about every detail. I mean, there's something wrong with almost every one of the 11 criteria.

A ton of the stuff is just stupid. You don't buy organic food because it's better for the environment, you buy it because it's (hypothetically) better for you. What you drive matters every bit as much as how much you drive. Things that count for a major part of a person's carbon footprint have almost no effect on "porkiness," but things that have no effect have ridiculous porkiness changes.

The point of the site isn't to convince kids to limit their carbon footprint, it's to convince kids that earning money and spending it is a bad thing.

Green is the new Red (http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2198).

grace
06-01-2008, 11:21 PM
Apparently, I died over 11 years ago.

I've been dead almost 35 years so why the hell have I been working for the last 22?