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Young
05-28-2008, 11:53 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basketball/heat/sfl-roseheat0808,0,5566327.story
Ira Winderman
Sun-Sentinel


By Ira Winderman | Sun-Sentinel.com
3:23 PM EDT, May 28, 2008
LAKE BUENA VISTA - For the second time since the NBA Draft lottery, a party with insight into the process has expressed the belief that Memphis point guard Derrick Rose could fall to the Heat with the No. 2 pick.

After a party familiar with the plans of the Bulls, who hold the No. 1 pick, and the Heat said last week, "No. 1 and No. 2 are booked and done," Memphis forward Joey Dorsey said he, too, has been led to believe that Kansas State forward Michael Beasley would go at the top of the draft to Chicago, leaving Rose for the Heat.

"Chicago's got a lot of pressure on them because Derrick's from Chicago," Dorsey said, "but they're going to take Beasley. I've got the inside. They're going to get Beasley."

Bulls Vice President John Paxson has adamantly denied reaching a decision.

Rose and Beasley were among the 15 leading prospects allowed to bypass the round-robin of scrimmages and move directly to the weekend physicals and measurements. The two will be part of a media availability session Thursday of leading draft candidates.

Heat General Manager Randy Pfund was mum after Wednesday's morning's drills about his team's draft intentions.

Asked if the Heat had set up workouts or interviews with Rose or Beasley, Pfund said, "Nope, no visits."

Asked if the Heat had been turned down for any visits, Pfund said, "Nope."

Pfund declined to quantify where the Heat stood in its draft deliberations, saying, "I'm not going to discuss that. I'm not going to get into any details into that."

Heat President Pat Riley was expected to arrive at the camp later in the day.

Pfund was asked if the Heat could wind up bringing in only one or two candidates for its No. 2 overall pick.

"The process will let us know what the number will be," he said. "It could be real small, it could be bigger, depending on a couple of answers to some questions with some of the key people. We could go ahead and try to get in 10 people or we could make it very simple and not bring in anybody."

Of having to find a point guard, Pfund said, "There's been no concept right now that it's something we have to fit. We've got a new coach. I think we're wide open to kind of evaluating what's out there and all the avenues -- trades, draft, free agency -- and putting together a group of guys that fit. So I don't think there's any predetermined, 'We have to be one type' of team."

croz24
05-29-2008, 12:05 AM
i assumed they'd take beasley. people go on and on about rose, and for good reason, but it's not like beasley is some scrub. i'd take rose and mayo before beasley if the pacers were in that position, but beasley will average 20+ppg 10+rpg throughout his career and gives the bulls the inside presence they've been lacking for a looong time now.

Shade
05-29-2008, 12:08 AM
PD is clearly Dorsey's source. :D

Will Galen
05-29-2008, 04:10 AM
Chicago will take Rose. He's a hometown boy and Beasley has to many red flags. Those red flags are what has Miami looking at taking Mayo or trading the 2 pick.

A lot of people on here dismiss red flags, they just look at talent, but then none of those people are going to be paying out millions of dollars.

There is a point where talent will override red flags, but only when a team doesn't have other options.

rexnom
05-29-2008, 05:08 AM
If the Pacers were at 2 and it was between Mayo and Beasley, I think I would prefer Mayo...so I see where Miami is coming from and they actually have a dominant perimeter scorer.

Rajah Brown
05-29-2008, 07:12 AM
Funny how the Heat are desperately hoping Rose slides to them and
various writers down there in Miami continue to find ways to assure
readers it's gonna happen.

I'll believe it when I see. And I don't expect to see it.

Major Cold
05-29-2008, 07:49 AM
They trade Brand for Chandler.

They trade Aldridge for Ty and Victor.

They need Beasley more.

count55
05-29-2008, 08:14 AM
They trade Curry for Chandler.

They trade Aldridge for Ty and Victor.

They need Beasley more.


They didn't trade Curry for Chandler...if memory serves, they traded Brand for Chandler...I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

(But, that's counting nosehairs...your premise is sound. The assertion that Beasley and the current backcourt is better than Rose and whatever frontcourt help Hinrich, etal could garner. Or at least cheaper and less risky.)

Justin Tyme
05-29-2008, 08:44 AM
They didn't trade Curry for Chandler...if memory serves, they traded Brand for Chandler...I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.

(But, that's counting nosehairs...your premise is sound. The assertion that Beasley and the current backcourt is better than Rose and whatever frontcourt help Hinrich, etal could garner. Or at least cheaper and less risky.)

You are correct, Curry was never traded for Chandler. They played together as teammates for the Bulls for a # of years.

tdubb03
05-29-2008, 09:10 AM
Brand got traded for Chandler and Brian Skinner on draft night (I think). Then they subsequently traded Chandler for JR Smith and PJ Brown. Then they traded Smith almost immediately for Howard Eisley and 2 second rounders.

So Elton Brand = Brian Skinner, PJ Brown, Howard Eisley, 2 2nd rounder. Great management.

naptownmenace
05-29-2008, 11:56 AM
Chicago will take Rose. He's a hometown boy and Beasley has to many red flags. Those red flags are what has Miami looking at taking Mayo or trading the 2 pick.

A lot of people on here dismiss red flags, they just look at talent, but then none of those people are going to be paying out millions of dollars.

There is a point where talent will override red flags, but only when a team doesn't have other options.

What red flags? And how does he have more red flags than Mayo?

Beasley will be as good as Amare Stoudamire and has the potential to be as good as Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. He's just that good of a player. If the Bulls want to win now rather than later, they'll draft Beasley.

RomanGabriel
05-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Chicago will take Rose. He's a hometown boy and Beasley has to many red flags. Those red flags are what has Miami looking at taking Mayo or trading the 2 pick.

A lot of people on here dismiss red flags, they just look at talent, but then none of those people are going to be paying out millions of dollars.

There is a point where talent will override red flags, but only when a team doesn't have other options.

Paxson has said over and over that the fact Rose went to high school in Chicago will have absolutely no bearing on who they pick. Before everyone fell in love with Rose during the Tournament, Beasley was being talked about as a once in a decade talent. If you're talking pure talent, I'll still take Beasley. And as for need, the Bulls have a crying need for an inside presence. If the Bulls wind up taking Rose, it'll be because of background concerns. Coach Collins will have some input also.

Shade
05-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Chicago will take Rose. He's a hometown boy and Beasley has to many red flags. Those red flags are what has Miami looking at taking Mayo or trading the 2 pick.

A lot of people on here dismiss red flags, they just look at talent, but then none of those people are going to be paying out millions of dollars.

There is a point where talent will override red flags, but only when a team doesn't have other options.

The Bulls obviously don't care too much about "red flag" players *coughbenwallacecoughcoughjoakimnoahcough*.

Beasley is a bigger need for them. They'd only really consider Rose because he's a local product.

QuickRelease
05-29-2008, 12:51 PM
The Bulls obviously don't care too much about "red flag" players *coughbenwallacecoughcoughjoakimnoahcough*.

Beasley is a bigger need for them. They'd only really consider Rose because he's a local product.

Don't know if I'd say that Shade. Pretty much every major PG had a big time impact in the playoffs. If anything, the NBA is a trend league, and PG is in vogue now. Derrick Rose and Beasley will have identical pro potential IMHO. Sometimes I think taking the local kid can be its' own headache, especially if there are some things closer to home they need to get away from. That's my total reason for hoping Zach Randolph never sets foot here. But I think the Bulls have a difficult choice ahead of them.

JayRedd
05-29-2008, 12:55 PM
If Joey Dorsey says it, it must be true.

Major Cold
05-29-2008, 01:02 PM
I meant to say Brand for Chandler, but I was unsure whether it was Chandler or Curry. Thanks for the correction.

The Bulls need to draft a player who can take over a game is does not have a name that rhymes with Hen Florgan.

Will Galen
05-29-2008, 01:33 PM
What red flags? And how does he have more red flags than Mayo?

Beasley will be as good as Amare Stoudamire and has the potential to be as good as Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. He's just that good of a player. If the Bulls want to win now rather than later, they'll draft Beasley.

Miami Heat testing the waters with No. 2 pick

By Sam Smith - SportingNews (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/sports/tsn/nba/article/SIG=10tmms2oa;_ylt=AmC1wilHAYZTL2XVaO3qKyazvLYF/*http://www.sportingnews.com) May 28, 8:36 pm EDT
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=miamiheattestingthewater&prov=tsn&type=lgns

While the NBA playoffs march on with the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/lal/;_ylt=AsQhRL9Q_ET5CnvxMvDcRGOzvLYF), San Antonio Spurs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/;_ylt=ArgKLfEZvVGVkhdKuZaNgLqzvLYF), Boston Celtics (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos/;_ylt=Apnb75kK0mY.nphc1XIA76ezvLYF) and Detroit Pistons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/det/;_ylt=AqPhXhsHBhWQ09B3qX9Bv3GzvLYF) all gunning for the championship, the business of developing the next champion—or the chance to at least compete for the title—goes on behind the scenes at the league’s predraft camp in Orlando, where about 60 players are trying to improve their draft status.

Derrick Rose from the University of Memphis is almost certainly going to be selected No. 1 by the Chicago Bulls (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/chi/;_ylt=Asd0412tUKdiEf3rv_H4SjCzvLYF), which leaves Kansas State’s Michael Beasley at No. 2 for the Miami Heat (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mia/;_ylt=ApagKVa5heafXDSyC60F25OzvLYF).

Well, not so fast, is the buzz coming out of Florida this week.
“I’m not sure Beasley is a Pat Riley kind of guy,” says one team official. “There are starting to be some red flags on him. But he is so talented they may have to draft the talent.”
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However, according to some personnel types around the league, Miami is beginning to test the waters on the value of the No. 2 pick.
Of course, that’s routine. In 1997, the Spurs listened, if only a little bit, when Rick Pitino, as coach and president of the Celtics, offered practically his entire team for the No. 1 pick that would be Tim Duncan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3173/;_ylt=AlMoVlBCgALW_6FbUuXsZtyzvLYF).

The thinking is that Riley is concerned about drafting someone as apparently immature as Beasley.

There is a terrific [I]Washington Post story from a year ago making the rounds. It details Beasley’s journey to six high schools in five states and quotes him saying he was “just killing time” in high school. Basketball factory Oak Hill didn’t ask him back after he averaged 21 points and 12 rebounds during the 2005-2006 season. And he admitted to the newspaper that he wore pajamas to the school cafeteria, threw sticks at teachers’ houses, organized late night hide-and-seek games after curfew and signed his name all over campus in graffiti contests.

Beasley’s antics were described as mostly playful, but they also crossed over to practices where he’d sometimes mock the coach.

Look, it’s mostly kids coming into the NBA. Ask the Bulls about Joakim Noah (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4287/;_ylt=AuONHdBY.Mu50jQqu_b6GkOzvLYF) , who was charged last weekend in Florida with marijuana possession, carrying an open container of alcohol (how else could he drink it?) and various traffic violations. But this is a Pat Riley team, and Miami is a city where most NBA teams try to come in late and leave early so their players don’t get in trouble. Now Beasley’s going to live there?

Conventional wisdom says the Heat will take Beasley because of his amazing talent. But Riley doesn’t do conventional wisdom.

He traded for Shaquille O’Neal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/847/;_ylt=AttfL4uAqycycB8JTO3HOiizvLYF) when no one thought it possible, and traded away Shaq when no one thought it possible. He was supposed to take a center, Chris Kaman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3709/;_ylt=AnMwZsyE_LIJOyOEMm_vuRezvLYF), with the fifth pick in 2003 after losing Alonzo Mourning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/845/;_ylt=AjukUmcrEV9wAifOrr0Z306zvLYF), but he surprised many by taking Dwyane Wade (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3708/;_ylt=AoM9XYlD9GLoE0.9zaGtOqOzvLYF). The Bulls were among the surprised, as they thought Wade would be there for their No. 7 overall pick.

The Bulls ended up taking Kirk Hinrich (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3710/;_ylt=AlgpiJSrDHBJ8BVvWAn7F1ezvLYF), who some personnel executives around the league say could be traded to accommodate Rose. More on that later.

Miami will be feeling teams out, and here’s one deal that makes sense.
Riley long has had a flirtation with Elton Brand (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3324/;_ylt=AiS1BdcnG2C35W_CL3bX0r6zvLYF), whom he tried to sign in 2003. When the Clippers matched the offer, the Heat moved on to Brand’s Clippers teammate Lamar Odom (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3327/;_ylt=AjpHtDxfhxwevnHvCs1.hwezvLYF). Brand’s Riley-initiated contract expires after next season, and many wonder whether Brand will return to the Clippers.

This could be the Clippers’ opportunity to get something in return for Brand. It’s questionable whether Miami will want to re-sign Shawn Marion (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3332/;_ylt=Ar8SDhgPDffwg8SnHRzT_o2zvLYF), acquired in the Shaq deal, after next season. So perhaps Miami deals the rights to the No. 2 pick and Marion for Brand and the rights to the Clippers’ No. 7, which the Heat supposedly would love to use for O.J. Mayo. While it’s uncertain Mayo would slip that far, this is one to watch.

The Bulls’ situation with Hinrich, say personnel executives throughout the league, also is worth watching. Perhaps as many as eight lottery teams—the Heat, New York Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/;_ylt=AgMX5BVaPiBvv_JoEhnGU_azvLYF), Clippers, Milwaukee Bucks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/mil/;_ylt=Ak9Sm8mKiNV6bx7r2nkhT3qzvLYF), Charlotte Bobcats (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cha/;_ylt=AujT7bUi2tRt2BgF4hlVtm.zvLYF), Indiana Pacers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/ind/;_ylt=AubpgIXCk3WwEFzfuz8hlmizvLYF), Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/;_ylt=ArDMB0Ha57hA9ZeN5CR9zwSzvLYF) and Golden State Warriors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/gsw/;_ylt=AqkUgeAKI2gr3PYF.DnKcgOzvLYF)—could use a point guard. Hinrich may not be the classic “one”; thus the Bulls’ interest in Rose. But Hinrich is good enough to have been invited to play for Team USA. Consider him a Danny Ainge type, a guard who can do a little bit of everything. He can shoot, defend even the bigger shooting guards and run the offense. He’s not at the level of a Chris Paul (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3930/;_ylt=AsN3H8vFIqosSXCJQHcZMFuzvLYF) or Deron Williams (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3929/;_ylt=Aq.FLqHbPQ9drmgEK6wiXVWzvLYF), but he has been to the playoffs three of the last four seasons and is too good to sit behind a kid.

If you need a point guard, would you rather take someone like Texas’ D.J. Augustin, regarded as the draft’s second-best point guard despite being undersized, or trade for Hinrich?

Toronto Raptors (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/tor/;_ylt=AjQHNc141RzRQVb2u_aAeE.zvLYF) point guard T.J. Ford (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3711/;_ylt=AsHSvWNds3ZiSwiVx8lnzxSzvLYF) also may be in the trade mix, but he remains a serious medical risk with spinal cord issues. The Raptors are looking to package Ford in a trade along with some of the team’s expiring contracts. They intend to re-sign and start Jose Calderon (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3989/;_ylt=Ap3N3MyOibvdzGaT6lxeqcazvLYF) at point.

Other pieces would be required to match salaries, but here’s some speculative possibilities for Hinrich:

• Miami for Shawn Marion
• Indiana for Jermaine O’Neal (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3120/;_ylt=Agw0TvtCkxCFLqz_TCXPPrSzvLYF)
• Golden State for Al Harrington (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3268/;_ylt=AuykY5vdkCrHlyQGhkTOBUqzvLYF)
• Portland for expiring contracts, like that of Raef LaFrentz (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3246/;_ylt=ApisyoABMq56WKWNj9nCZzKzvLYF), so the Bulls can get into the free-agent market over the next few years for Brand or Wade
• Charlotte for Jason Richardson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3515/;_ylt=Av.ITYwHFnXxpYqR94Mw4.mzvLYF) (he and Gerald Wallace (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3533/;_ylt=ArR6keJSsDYoGz4WAI6G8RazvLYF) play similar roles); perhaps the Bulls throw in a veteran like Andres Nocioni (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3882/;_ylt=Ahfpbk8BhprmmXhPbS_HrbazvLYF) for new Bobcats coach Larry Brown
• Milwaukee (would Scott Skiles want to coach Hinrich again?) for a contract they want to dump, like Bobby Simmons (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3551/;_ylt=AiqX5RvjTNYufUW.DOimzzKzvLYF)’, with Yi Jianlian (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4284/;_ylt=AsMH0igEyddIzyRYL1ODznezvLYF) thrown in
• New York. Actually, it seems they’re saving cap space to make a run at LeBron James (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/;_ylt=Atos7xrybG1EPbuIqxMeIimzvLYF) in two years.
The Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/cle/;_ylt=AumX08LECbBTLuBVCCSbqO6zvLYF) also are desperate for a point guard, though the talk around the NBA is they want an All Star-type player to pair with James and may be pursuing Jermaine O’Neal.
Only one team will be happy at the end of the season. But this is when optimism abounds for the rest over the possibilities for the future.

QuickRelease
05-29-2008, 02:12 PM
Dude, if the biggest knock against Beasley is playing High School pranks, then please stay away from him if you have picks 1-10. Didn't sound like he had too much trouble in college, so it sounds like he has matured.

As far as Dorsey goes, it sounds like he's the next professional big mouth. Can't you just see him fitting in with Washington, or Orlando, with their collection of running mouths, talking trash while getting booted from the playoffs?

Oneal07
05-29-2008, 03:43 PM
No Brainer

Anthem
05-29-2008, 04:24 PM
Interesting. Let's see...

• Miami for Shawn Marion

No way.

• Indiana for Jermaine O’Neal

No surprise there.

• Golden State for Al Harrington

I'd rather have a broken JO than a healthy Al Harrington.

• Portland for expiring contracts, like that of Raef LaFrentz, so the Bulls can get into the free-agent market over the next few years for Brand or Wade

Portland needs to keep those contracts for re-signing their own players.

• Charlotte for Jason Richardson (he and Gerald Wallace play similar roles)

Which is why I didn't understand the trade in the first place. Regardless, how big of an upgrade is Kirk?

• New York. Actually, it seems they’re saving cap space to make a run at LeBron James in two years.

Agree. LeBron's out.

• Cleveland Cavaliers also are desperate for a point guard, though the talk around the NBA is they want an All Star-type player to pair with James and may be pursuing Jermaine O’Neal.

That's interesting on multiple levels.

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Regardless, if we want to move JO for Kirk we may be in the driver's seat.

count55
05-29-2008, 04:32 PM
Interesting. Let's see...

• Miami for Shawn Marion

No way.

• Indiana for Jermaine O’Neal

No surprise there.

• Golden State for Al Harrington

I'd rather have a broken JO than a healthy Al Harrington.

• Portland for expiring contracts, like that of Raef LaFrentz, so the Bulls can get into the free-agent market over the next few years for Brand or Wade

Portland needs to keep those contracts for re-signing their own players.

• Charlotte for Jason Richardson (he and Gerald Wallace play similar roles)

Which is why I didn't understand the trade in the first place. Regardless, how big of an upgrade is Kirk?

• New York. Actually, it seems they’re saving cap space to make a run at LeBron James in two years.

Agree. LeBron's out.

• Cleveland Cavaliers also are desperate for a point guard, though the talk around the NBA is they want an All Star-type player to pair with James and may be pursuing Jermaine O’Neal.

That's interesting on multiple levels.

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Regardless, if we want to move JO for Kirk we may be in the driver's seat.

I agree with your reasoning, but I'm confused as to why Chicago would move Hinrich if they take Beasley...did I miss something?

Major Cold
05-29-2008, 04:38 PM
The Cavs deal may sweeten or become stale as the offseason progresses.

Anthem
05-29-2008, 04:41 PM
I agree with your reasoning, but I'm confused as to why Chicago would move Hinrich if they take Beasley...did I miss something?
Yeah... the post I quoted, which said Chicago was almost sure to take Rose.

count55
05-29-2008, 04:49 PM
Yeah... the post I quoted, which said Chicago was almost sure to take Rose.

OK...so occasionally, I'm as stupid as I look.

Anthem
05-29-2008, 05:11 PM
OK...so occasionally, I'm as stupid as I look.
:D

LoneGranger33
05-29-2008, 05:36 PM
Wait, so Cleveland wants JO and a point guard? It's a shame their whole team is crappy.

EDIT: According to ESPN's trade machine, Cleveland has one guy on their roster getting a whooping $4,533 a year. Another dude is getting $87,945! You can really strike it rich in Ohio.

Wage
05-29-2008, 05:43 PM
Remind me to board up my windows on draft day. If the Bulls take Beasley, there may well be rioting in the streets. :)

Will Galen
05-30-2008, 03:29 AM
OK...so occasionally, I'm as stupid as I look.

You make me laugh out loud!