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Anthem
05-27-2008, 07:37 PM
Nearly identical contracts. Tinsley probably adds more on the court, honestly. His off-court issues wouldn't be as big a deal in New York. Sure, Donnie's got to be sick of him, but I'm sure he'll be sick of Jeffries pretty quick as well. Donnie needs a PG.

We don't even remotely need Jeffries, but he could possibly play PF in Obie's system. He can smile and look good in a suit, too, which is probably more important.

So... would you? Would they?

Kstat
05-27-2008, 07:39 PM
In a heartbeat. Not sure why NY does it though.

rexnom
05-27-2008, 07:42 PM
In a heartbeat. Not sure why NY does it though.
What have they got to lose? It's not like they're trading JJ for anything better. Tinsley might even be useful at PG in D'Antoni's system.

Kstat
05-27-2008, 07:48 PM
From where I'm standing, Jeffries is a heck of a lot more reliable than Tinsley at this point, not to mention both healthier and younger.

It's true that D'Antoni's system would benefit Tinsley, but it doesn't do much good if Tinsley isn't in uniform.

Jeffries has for the most part been healthy. Tinsley for the most part has been injured.

On top of all that, remind me who is GM of the Knicks again?

Infinite MAN_force
05-27-2008, 07:49 PM
Iv'e been inspiring a lot of polls latley. :D


I don't see why Donnie woulden't. Im sure he wont be stoked to bring back Tinsley, but Jeffries is literally just going to ride the bench and conrtibute nothing. Might as well grab a player who can contribute some, even if they are injured a lot. PG is a position of need for them too.

For us, Larry can be like "Hey look, Im gettin rid of the trouble makers!". A good step toward rebuilding the image of the team.

AesopRockOn
05-27-2008, 07:59 PM
Can somebody clarify the clowns! option now that I've voted for it?

Swingman
05-27-2008, 08:17 PM
I think if you vote for it then you have to clarify it.

Peck
05-27-2008, 08:28 PM
You had me at "Tinsley for...." and I immediatley said yes.

Anthem
05-27-2008, 09:33 PM
You had me at "Tinsley for...." and I immediatley said yes.

And yet you haven't voted...

:crazy:

Robertmto
05-27-2008, 10:42 PM
do i even need to speak?

jeffg-body
05-27-2008, 10:47 PM
As soon as I saw Tinsley I thought sign that baby quick before the ink even dries.

Trader Joe
05-27-2008, 10:57 PM
I'd trade Tinsley for herpes at this point. Its probably around a lot more.

Robertmto
05-27-2008, 11:00 PM
I'd trade Tinsley for herpes at this point. Its probably around a lot more.

in Bloomington at least

Trader Joe
05-27-2008, 11:01 PM
That's why we leave the lights on folks. At least to start.

:tmyk:

Anthem
05-27-2008, 11:01 PM
herpes ... probably around a lot more.
Depends on who has it.

Some people just have fewer opportunities to pass it on, if you know what I'm saying.










I'm not naming any names, but it rhymes with RayJedd.

millertime90
05-28-2008, 01:10 AM
Jared Jeffries is my all-time favorite Hoosier so of course I would! Tinsley needs to go too!

SycamoreKen
05-28-2008, 01:14 AM
I would, but I'm not sure Donnie would. All Tins needs is more night life opportunities. Remember, the Knicks are trying to restore some credibility too.

Speed
05-28-2008, 07:16 AM
I said I think they both would, but I realized Walsh is in control in NY and wouldn't now.

D-BONE
05-28-2008, 07:20 AM
As to the responses for the poll, I don't know. I guess I would say I would but only as an absolute last resort. Absolutely nothing else to be had for him. And then I don't know if NY does it. I tend to doubt it.

Speed
05-28-2008, 07:26 AM
As to the responses for the poll, I don't know. I guess I would say I would but only as an absolute last resort. Absolutely nothing else to be had for him. And then I don't know if NY does it. I tend to doubt it.

We're here, last resortville or what's after last resort, desperatetonfieldville?

BoomBaby33
05-28-2008, 08:20 AM
I would in a New York minute.

How about adding to the trade and sending JO for Marbury and then swapping first rounders. I think we'd have a good chance at Mayo, Gordon or Bayless then.

We would have a glut at sf/sg, so then we could jettison Shawne or DunDun for an athletic big. Maybe Tyrus Thomas or Varejao for Shawne.

BTW -

What does this mean? Anybody know?

Trade Restriction:
The following players selected in this scenario have restrictions which prevent them from being traded at this time. This may prevent the trade from occuring.

Players with Trade Restrictions:

Jermaine O'Nealfrom Indiana
O'Neal is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded.

Stephon Marbury from New York
Marbury is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded.

DisplacedKnick
05-28-2008, 08:57 AM
I was initially going to say DW might do this but Tinsley has the longer, slightly larger contract so I doubt he would.

I think Jeffries has a chance to rejuvenate himself under D'Antoni - he's long, athletic, can run and should be one of the team's better defenders. Not that D'Antoni emphasizes defense but next to Isiah he's Dick Harter.

OTOH, Tinsley's always favored the open court. But I just don't see it - and if we manage to get Mayo in the draft there's no way on Earth.

I didn't vote BTW.

count55
05-28-2008, 09:06 AM
What does this mean? Anybody know?

Trade Restriction:
The following players selected in this scenario have restrictions which prevent them from being traded at this time. This may prevent the trade from occuring.

Players with Trade Restrictions:

Jermaine O'Nealfrom Indiana
O'Neal is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded.

Stephon Marbury from New York
Marbury is in the last non-exercisable year of his contract and cannot be traded. However, next season is currently an early termination option and if is not exercised, then the player can be traded.

It means that these players would have to waive their early termination options to be traded...both JO and Marbury can terminate their contracts this summer, but would need to agree not to in order to be trade under their current contracts.

They could exercise their options and still be traded, but it would be under sign-and-trade rules, and probably wouldn't be wise for either of them.

I would not consider this restriction a significant obstacle as both players stand to lose a great deal of money if they were to terminate their contracts early.

Anthem
05-28-2008, 10:05 AM
I would not consider this restriction a significant obstacle as both players stand to lose a great deal of money if they were to terminate their contracts early.
Before long we'll be past the opt-out date.

Anthem
05-28-2008, 10:08 AM
I was initially going to say DW might do this but Tinsley has the longer, slightly larger contract so I doubt he would.
It is slightly larger, but it's not longer. Jared has a 4th year as a player option, which he's sure to pick up.

DisplacedKnick
05-28-2008, 10:31 AM
It is slightly larger, but it's not longer. Jared has a 4th year as a player option, which he's sure to pick up.

You're right - hoopshype has more columns for the Knicks than Pacers. I saw the blank and assumed it was shorter.

D23
05-28-2008, 11:22 AM
Just echoing most other peoples' sentiments. I'd do this in a heartbeat but I doubt Donnie would be interested. I know if I was in his shoes I'd be looking for a fresh start. It'd be like moving to another city because your obsessive ex-girlfriend wouldn't stop stalking you, only to have her move in next door when you get there. Perhaps we could have done this while Isiah was still in charge but I guess we'll never know :(

Naptown_Seth
05-28-2008, 11:32 AM
You're right - hoopshype has more columns for the Knicks than Pacers. I saw the blank and assumed it was shorter.
I'm sorry. Well, at least a tiny bit. It's a great joy for me to slowly see those Pacers columns shrinking, although back in the day I was thrilled that a 61 win team was all locked up for the long haul.

It's not the contracts, it's the W-L associated with them. No one would mind if it was Parker/Duncan/Ginobilli instead of the Pacers or Knicks players locked up long term.

MyFavMartin
05-28-2008, 11:46 AM
Depends on the draft. If they get a PG there (Bayless or Rose or Mayo - trading up, etc.), then no. If they don't address PG in the draft, then I can see some interest in Tinsley.

Can someone answer me this:

1. Which PGs are FAs this year?

2. Can NY sign any of them?

DisplacedKnick
05-28-2008, 12:17 PM
Depends on the draft. If they get a PG there (Bayless or Rose or Mayo - trading up, etc.), then no. If they don't address PG in the draft, then I can see some interest in Tinsley.

Can someone answer me this:

1. Which PGs are FAs this year?

2. Can NY sign any of them?

We aren't signing any FA's for anything but tiny, short-term contracts until after the summer of 2010.

We're all talking Lebron that summer but there's also Wade and can Chris Bosh really want to stay in Canada?

Will Galen
05-28-2008, 12:32 PM
From where I'm standing, Jeffries is a heck of a lot more reliable than Tinsley at this point, not to mention both healthier and younger.

It's true that D'Antoni's system would benefit Tinsley, but it doesn't do much good if Tinsley isn't in uniform.

Jeffries has for the most part been healthy. Tinsley for the most part has been injured.

On top of all that, remind me who is GM of the Knicks again?

Glen Grunwald's doing the job.

LG33
05-28-2008, 02:03 PM
Jared Jeffries is like a tall Marquis Daniels.

Shade
05-28-2008, 02:06 PM
I'm not a big JJ fan, but for Tinsley, I'd take a shot.

Mourning
05-28-2008, 02:45 PM
I'm not a big JJ fan, but for Tinsley, I'd take a shot.

Same here. I would even add a late second rounder if we were to obtain one this summer. JJ hasn't got much value, but Tins has negative value. Besides, JJ does actually add something to the group, which is atleast a little bit of defense, something which we sorely need.

So, sign me up for this trade.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

ABADays
05-28-2008, 03:12 PM
Wow - 28 votes for Indiana would, New York wouldn't. This is freaking Jared Jefferies we are talking about. That's about as low as it can get and we still can't dump #11.

grace
05-28-2008, 03:28 PM
If Isiah was still in charge he'd do it. However, Donnie knows better.

Justin Tyme
05-28-2008, 03:29 PM
I would trade Tinjury in a heartbeat, but why would Walsh want him, again? There are more strip clubs and more ways for Tinman to get into trouble in NY than Indy. Walsh doesn't need the the same ole headache of having Tinman in problems again and again and again and again. Especially, trying to rebuild the Knicks in what is deemed their darkest hour. I just have this feeling Walsh knows more about Tinsley than we do, and this thread is just a fantasy.

I'd welcome JJ with open arms, even if he did go to IU, in order to get rid of Tinjury. At least JJ would be depended on to play when/if needed, where the word dependability has never been synonymous with the name Tinjury. JMOAA

BoomBaby33
05-28-2008, 04:05 PM
It means that these players would have to waive their early termination options to be traded...both JO and Marbury can terminate their contracts this summer, but would need to agree not to in order to be trade under their current contracts.

They could exercise their options and still be traded, but it would be under sign-and-trade rules, and probably wouldn't be wise for either of them.

I would not consider this restriction a significant obstacle as both players stand to lose a great deal of money if they were to terminate their contracts early.

Thanks count55. That makes very good sense, since it made it sound like they couldnt be traded at all.

NapTonius Monk
05-28-2008, 04:28 PM
Wow - 28 votes for Indiana would, New York wouldn't. This is freaking Jared Jefferies we are talking about. That's about as low as it can get and we still can't dump #11.


You're talking about Tinsley's jersy # and not the #11 pick, right?

I can't stand Jared Jaffries. There have been times where I wouldn't have even known he was on the floor if he hadn't incidentally run past the camera. I've never seen a player impact a game less when they're on the court than Jared Jeffries. His plus/minus statistics ought to be measured in question marks. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather sign Tinsley to a 3 year extension than trade for Jeffries (welllll...maybe not that far, but close).

ABADays
05-28-2008, 05:35 PM
Tins jersey.

Shade
05-28-2008, 06:39 PM
You're talking about Tinsley's jersy # and not the #11 pick, right?

I can't stand Jared Jaffries. There have been times where I wouldn't have even known he was on the floor if he hadn't incidentally run past the camera. I've never seen a player impact a game less when they're on the court than Jared Jeffries. His plus/minus statistics ought to be measured in question marks. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather sign Tinsley to a 3 year extension than trade for Jeffries (welllll...maybe not that far, but close).

Haha, that confused me too at first. I was starting to think there was something in the water or something over there. :p

Anthem
05-28-2008, 11:04 PM
There are more strip clubs and more ways for Tinman to get into trouble in NY than Indy.
But people in New York won't go crazy if Tinsley goes to a club.

Anthem
05-28-2008, 11:04 PM
Jared Jeffries is like a tall Marquis Daniels.
Without the penchant for trouble.

Justin Tyme
05-29-2008, 08:20 AM
But people in New York won't go crazy if Tinsley goes to a club.


I never had a problem with Tinman going to a club, it's the problems he created from doing it or followed him that was the problem. Yes, NY'ers look at things differently than Hoosiers do, but Walsh is a NY'er and I don't believe he wants Tinman's problems ever again. Not if he's as smart as I believe he is.

Anthem
05-29-2008, 08:38 AM
I never had a problem with Tinman going to a club,
You're not indicative of the rest of Indiana.

Dude got carjacked at a legit establishment, and people yelled at him for being out past his bedtime.

count55
05-29-2008, 09:11 AM
You're not indicative of the rest of Indiana.

Dude got carjacked at a legit establishment, and people yelled at him for being out past his bedtime.

I think there's truth to your point, (Indy is more conservative than NY), but I also think that it's difficult to see where Midwestern Conservatism stops and the "JT has been a pain-in-the-*** embarrassment for a number of years now and I don't care how innocent he is" begins.

I think most Pacer fans say, 5 years ago, wouldn't have cared one way or the other about Jamaal or any other Pacers going to strip clubs. I also think they would've been largely sympathetic and legitimately concerned for him after the carjacking incident. Hell, I worked at Mr Video Geist back in the late 80's and Chuck Person used to show up pretty much every Sunday, lay down a $100 bill and pretty much clean out our porn collection (he had the same damn paper grocery bag that he'd empty out and fill up). I still liked him as a player and just as a guy.

If I were an opposing GM (including NY), the only thing that would scare me about JT would be his injury history. He does dumb ****, but that slate would be largely clean in most other cities. That's why I think, if we're willing to be neutral or pay a little penalty contractually to get rid of him, we'll find some takers. To a new team, if I'm already out the money I'd have to pay Tinsley for a guy that I know is going to be worthless to me, why not take a chance on getting "Good Jamaal". I, unlike the Pacers, have nothing to really lose in the transaction.

rexnom
05-29-2008, 09:33 AM
I think there's truth to your point, (Indy is more conservative than NY), but I also think that it's difficult to see where Midwestern Conservatism stops and the "JT has been a pain-in-the-*** embarrassment for a number of years now and I don't care how innocent he is" begins.

I think most Pacer fans say, 5 years ago, wouldn't have cared one way or the other about Jamaal or any other Pacers going to strip clubs. I also think they would've been largely sympathetic and legitimately concerned for him after the carjacking incident. Hell, I worked at Mr Video Geist back in the late 80's and Chuck Person used to show up pretty much every Sunday, lay down a $100 bill and pretty much clean out our porn collection (he had the same damn paper grocery bag that he'd empty out and fill up). I still liked him as a player and just as a guy.

If I were an opposing GM (including NY), the only thing that would scare me about JT would be his injury history. He does dumb ****, but that slate would be largely clean in most other cities. That's why I think, if we're willing to be neutral or pay a little penalty contractually to get rid of him, we'll find some takers. To a new team, if I'm already out the money I'd have to pay Tinsley for a guy that I know is going to be worthless to me, why not take a chance on getting "Good Jamaal". I, unlike the Pacers, have nothing to really lose in the transaction.
Posssssibly the greatest thing I have ever read.

Speed
05-29-2008, 10:05 AM
Posssssibly the greatest thing I have ever read.

Give "The Rifleman" a whole new creepy connotation.

Anthem
05-29-2008, 02:22 PM
I think most Pacer fans say, 5 years ago, wouldn't have cared one way or the other about Jamaal or any other Pacers going to strip clubs.
That's the second time I've seen that in this thread.

When did Tinsley go to a strip club?

count55
05-29-2008, 03:00 PM
That's the second time I've seen that in this thread.

When did Tinsley go to a strip club?

Tinsley was at Club Rio the night of the Jackson incident (along with Jax, Marquis, and Snap-Crackle-Pop Hunter).

For my part, however, I must've misread the original post and mentally inserted "strip" into Justin Tyme's line, then riffed on it. Plus, when I hear "club" in Indiana, I immediately think of strip clubs, because I consider clubs to be things you have in NY/LA, while we have bars with loud music and dancing. But, then, I'm an old ****, so I'm probably talking out my ***.

NapTonius Monk
05-29-2008, 03:40 PM
Give "The Rifleman" a whole new creepy connotation.

I was going to say something about a rifle with easy load-rapid pump capabilities, but I thought better of it. Wait, did I just type that? :homerdrool: D'OH!

Anthem
05-29-2008, 04:05 PM
I was going to say something about a rifle with easy load-rapid pump capabilities, but I thought better of it. Wait, did I just type that? :homerdrool: D'OH!
Yeah, QuickRelease, you did.