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Basketball Fan
05-21-2008, 03:41 PM
There's a lot of truth to it but honestly I find their fans annoying above all else and frankly the lack of ratings for the Spurs just proves how hypocritical American sports fans truly are. They talk about wanting humble and decent players but they don't go in droves for a team like the Spurs.

At least I can admit to wanting entertainment above all else.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/20/AR2008052001913.html?hpid=topnews


Why America Hates the Spurs



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By Mike Wise
Wednesday, May 21, 2008; Page E01

"I don't understand -- why don't people like us?" Bruce Bowen asked.

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You really want to know?

"Go ahead."

Because you and the mean ol' San Antonio Spurs ruin happy endings for players and teams whom fans want to see keep playing. Oh, and also because you're too reliable and humble, in a league where mouthy and enigmatic happens.

"Is that it?" the Spurs' veteran forward said. "We're not who people want to see? That's funny, because when Ron Artest was having issues and the league was having image problems, all you heard was, 'Why can't teams be more like the Spurs?'

"The public thinks they want other things -- all the chest-pounding and screaming. But at the end of the day, quietly, parents want their kids to grow up in a way that they work hard, keep their mouth shut and act like you've been there before."

Bowen spoke from his cellphone in New Orleans on Monday night, three hours before his team methodically knocked out the Hornets in Game 7 of the Western Conference semifinals -- three hours before a player less than a month away from 37 years old, maybe the premier perimeter defender in NBA history, frustrated Chris Paul and some bold kid named Jannero Pargo, who thought he was going to save the day for New Orleans before Bowen got in his grille late and the rickety Spurs sent a bunch of postseason adolescents home for the season.

Palms out, feet shuffling laterally, limbs fluttering like bat wings, Bowen was a microcosm of the franchise the past decade -- that annoying insect impossible to shoo away.


"We're goin' back to Podunk, Texas, again," Charles Barkley bemoaned, shaking his head in mock disgust on TNT after San Antonio held off New Orleans. Summing up most NBA fans' feelings outside south Texas, Barkley added: "Damn. They're like cockroaches. They won't die."

Watching the Spurs reject another marketable NBA plot -- this one featured young Chris Paul and the city he helped raise from Hurricane Katrina's ruin (a big seller at the All-Star Game in February) -- it's becoming clear that Bowen, Tim Duncan and their teammates are this millennium's Larry Holmes.

The Spurs are among the least- loved champions in the history of sport, right alongside Holmes, the former heavyweight great who had the misfortune of following boxing's king of kings, Muhammad Ali.

They've got what Grant Hill once actually called "Larry Holmes syndrome." He used the term to describe the impossible responsibility he, Jerry Stackhouse and other young skywalkers had following in Michael Jordan's footsteps. But it's just as apt for the Spurs, who in 1999 became the first team to win a championship after Jordan and the Incredi-Bulls -- San Antonio's first of four titles the past decade.
Like Holmes, they have learned that coming after the greatest is more burden than blessing.

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In succeeding Jordan, the Spurs have not just taken out their share of white hopes (dumping Dirk Nowitzki and Dallas, bloodying and hip-checking Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns out of the playoffs in consecutive years); they're the small-market spoilers, annually crushing a young superstar's dreams.

Before Paul, the Spurs outlasted Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant's dysfunctional dynasty; they swept aside the league's new golden child, LeBron James, in four games last June; and they have played in some of the most ratings-challenged NBA Finals in memory, including a yawner against the Nets in 2003.

If they can send a reinvigorated Bryant and the Lakers packing in the Western Conference finals, they will have successfully removed Shaq and Kobe from the playoffs again while simultaneously ruining the best Finals story line David Stern could imagine:

Lakers-Celtics Redux -- Kobe and the Lake Show vs. Kevin Garnett and Boston, 21 years after Magic's junior sky hook buried Bird.

What is it about the Spurs, always beating the players and teams America wants to see win?

"Part of it is the selling of the sensational," Bowen said. "Like: 'Oh my gosh! Look at that guy pound his chest after he made that basket.' We're not Vegas. We don't have this me-against-the-world attitude. But that's what sells now. So they need to come up with labels for us."

Like, boring and dirty?

"Exactly," Bowen added. "Look at Robert Horry. In San Antonio he's a dirty player. But he wasn't dirty when he played in L.A. Why is that?"


Indeed, Horry was a clutch player for the Lakers who took and made all the pressure shots. But in San Antonio, the player known as Big Shot Rob has suddenly become "Cheap Shot Bob," as Yahoo Sports's Adrian Wojnarowski dubbed Horry after the veteran had the temerity to set a back pick on David West, a Hornets player with a bad back, who went down in Game 6 almost as hard as New Orleans in Game 7.

"Look at my reputation. It's easy to say, 'He's dirty,' " Bowen said. "But what defines dirty? Because I play defense against a guy whose job is to score on me at will? You don't see me going out hitting anyone, but it's amazing when you deal with certain darlings in the league and the perception that they're supposed to score."

Another reason the country turns on San Antonio is because of Duncan's unemotional on-court demeanor. He makes Alan Greenspan look like a hard partyer. Spock on antidepressants is more exciting.

But the real reason is that the Spurs continue to resemble the old geezers who show up at the YMCA each weekend, yell "Next!" and somehow figure out a way to hold the court against a bunch of uppity kids. After three straight blowouts in New Orleans, their season on the brink, the Spurs again made do in Game 7.

They basically made younger, superior athletes with fresher legs play their way, slowing down the game, making every possession count. It was like taking a hyperactive kid off his medication, until he became so antsy and frustrated he didn't know what to do except sulk and go away. They specialize in making supernovas burn out before their time. And like Barkley said, they won't die.

Poor Kobe. He's got next.

Unclebuck
05-21-2008, 04:03 PM
I don't hate the Spurs at all. I enjoy watching them. I do hope another team wins this year though, not for any other reason than I want a new team to win. (although all 4 teams have won their share over the years. Celts haven't won in 22 years, so I am rooting for the Green

Twes
05-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Uncle Buck and I agree.

I don't hate the Spurs either.

Hicks
05-21-2008, 04:32 PM
I think the majority of people who hate the Spurs do so because they win "too much" or they don't like the whining and/or flopping of some players or the dirtiness Bowen and Horry have previously displayed. I think those flaws are somehow being used as what DEFINES the Spurs, and that's simply not true at all. If it did, they wouldn't have a single ring. They're much more than those things.

Before that, it was "they're boring". Well if good basketball is boring, then you have the wrong sport.

Naptown_Seth
05-21-2008, 04:36 PM
I'd sort of like to see SA win again just to truly plant that greatness flag in everyone's mind. Technically it's already true but we all know that people don't see this juggernaut in the same light as Jordan's Bulls despite the monster run.

I don't love them but I do like them and like their all around play. The issue is that they just don't seem to that flash or hook.

Aw Heck
05-21-2008, 04:50 PM
I don't hate the Spurs at all. In fact, they're probably my second favorite NBA team. Yes, they are humble and "boring." But they play the right way.

Yes, they have some floppers, but what NBA team doesn't at this point? Chris Paul is certainly guilty of it. And besides, probably the most beloved Pacer ever--Reggie-- was also a notorious flopper.

I think the majority of fans that hate the Spurs are the fans of their Western Conference rivals, who the Spurs have been beating regularly over the past decade. I want them to win again, because I'd rather see them be the "team of the decade" instead of the Lakers.

Hicks
05-21-2008, 04:55 PM
Taking a charge != flopping. Though you can flop when trying to take a charge.

PaceBalls
05-21-2008, 05:07 PM
I love the way the Spurs play, watching that NO/Spurs series, I saw the Hornets play no offense whatsoever... just Paul or whoever else trying to break people off the dribble and create. Total playground ball. The Spurs on the other hand are a joy for me to watch. They always make the extra pass, everyone is playing with the intention of running the offense the right way. I won't even go into how well they play defense.

They play basketball the way it is supposed to be played.

For me I think I would rather see the Spurs win than any of the other final 4. Boston - they are too much like the patriots for me to actually root for. Lakers... uhhg most hated team for me besides the Pistons. And well the Pistons, I can't ever forget or forgive, even though they play the closest to good structured basketball next to the spurs.

It is always interesting to me to see peoples views on what is good basketball. It seems more and more people just want to see one man dominate the ball, ala CP or PP or LBJ. While those duels are fun to watch, it is not pure basketball, it is not how the game is supposed to be played and only a few players that are the best of the best, 5 or less in the entire world, can pull off that type of play.

grace
05-21-2008, 05:30 PM
I don't hate the Spurs, but it's getting harder to like them (partly because I'm more of a NO fan now). I can't stand Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry.

ABADays
05-21-2008, 05:38 PM
Obviously this idea does not permeat the Indy area. I don't hate the Spurs and they could well be my favorite team if I wasn't a Pacers fan. Teams I hate are the ones with the whiny little b!tches like Kobe.

idioteque
05-21-2008, 05:43 PM
Let me count the reasons.

1. Obnoxious fans, many of whom know little about basketball.

2. Horry and Bowen are both dirty players. It's hilarious that Bowen out of all people in wondering why people hate the Spurs, when he is the #1 reason why many people hate the Spurs because of his blatantly dirty play. At the same time, it's great to have a guy like him in your team.

3. Ginobili is a drama queen, a flopper, and a crybaby all mixed up in one. At least that's your perception if he's playing for a team you're not rooting for. If he plays for the Pacers, then he's automatically kinda like Reggie.

4. The press coverage of Tony Parker and his wife is obnoxious and I hate the fact that the NBA covered their marriage and stuff during the half time of the Finals last year. I want to watch basketball, not ****ing TMZ. Oh, and Parker is overrated.

I do actually like Duncan a lot however, he is your consumate star player.

Oneal07
05-21-2008, 06:08 PM
LOL. . .sometimes, I think it's stupid to characterize these teams. Especially the Spurs, they aren't a dirty team, the NBA is just full of softies who cry and complain. I mean they change the rules so that the game can be faster and more points on the board. And they get mad when Spurs play their game.

If you watched New Orleans play, they were playing just as aggressive as the Spurs, did they think the Spurs were gonna back down?

The Spurs are a team who get hacked up and beat down and get no calls in their favor (especially when Joey Crawford is reffing the game) But they still manage to win. With that said, you have to respect the Spurs. If not go back and watch game 1 of the first round between them and Phoenix, they just don't get rattled. You have to respect them

jcouts
05-21-2008, 06:54 PM
I don't like the Spurs because they're a bunch of crybabies. Every single play, one of them is complaining about a call with their hands up in the air and a pouty look on their face. It's just annoying to watch.

BlueNGold
05-21-2008, 07:26 PM
I like the Spurs. I think the rest of league needs to grow up and take notes. They generally play the right way. Poor losers complain about them playing dirty...yet you don't see many fights and there's not a flood of grievances...only a few wimpering losers.

In any event, if you've watched basketball for 20+ years, you know the Spurs are relatively clean compared to the Knicks and Pistons...and you know they play the game pretty well.

Merz
05-21-2008, 07:32 PM
The Spurs are weird to me. I like Tim Duncan I always have. I hate Robert Horry/Bruce Bowen and I always have even when they played for past teams (Horry - Lakers, Bowen - Heat)

I rooted for the Spurs heavily (still nowhere close to my rooting of the Pacers) for years.

Then all of a sudden over the past few seasons I have really started to dislike them. I don't know why, but they just rub me the wrong way. I may be wrong but it just seems to me that their team is pretty much Duncan surrounded by a bunch of dirty players and whiners.

I'm not one who roots for the flashy players like the article implies all Spurs haters do. It's not their anti-flashiness workman attitude that makes me hate them. Maybe they've just won to much and the only teams I can stand to win that much are the Pacers and Colts. I don't know

Basketball Fan
05-21-2008, 07:34 PM
Obviously this idea does not permeat the Indy area. I don't hate the Spurs and they could well be my favorite team if I wasn't a Pacers fan. Teams I hate are the ones with the whiny little b!tches like Kobe.



Not everyone in Indy likes the Spurs(hello me) but I respect what they have accomplished but they don't interest me. I like them more than Jordan's Bulls though. What bugs me about the Spurs(besides everything dcpacersfan listed) is their fans who can't seem to believe why people could dislike their team. I mean you win all the time doesn't matter who you are unless you're a fan of the team eventually people will get sick of you.

I don't think America hates the Spurs people would have to get worked up over them to do so and only teams like the Yankees, Patriots and Lakers have such an effect these days and they also bring in huge ratings something the Spurs don't do either.

If anything America just finds them boring and hopes for something a lot flashier. Everyone says they want to see David vs David(I'm not talking Idol either) but really they want to see David vs. Goliath.

For all the complaining people do about the Lakers, Yankees etc they know you will still watch if not to see them win just to see them lose. The Spurs don't incite that.

Robertmto
05-21-2008, 07:43 PM
why does America hate the Spurs? Because they flop every ******* possession, both ends of the floor

Gamble1
05-21-2008, 08:51 PM
why does America hate the Spurs? Because they flop every ******* possession, both ends of the floor

I agree. I dislike certain players more than the entire team. If the spurs got rid of Ginobili I could stomach them.

Shade
05-21-2008, 08:57 PM
I don't hate the Spurs, but I'm tired of the flopping, the cheap shots, and the "Hack-a-Shaq"-type tactics. All of these things cheapen the game.

BoomBaby31
05-21-2008, 09:43 PM
I don't get why a lot of people hate the Spurs. I like the Spurs, Parker is the Best PG in the league and that Tim guy isn't bad either. They play good team basketball and I'm a big supporter of that.

Shade
05-21-2008, 09:53 PM
I don't get why a lot of people hate the Spurs. I like the Spurs, Parker is the Best PG in the league and that Tim guy isn't bad either. They play good team basketball and I'm a big supporter of that.

Read the post above yours.

shags
05-21-2008, 09:56 PM
I disagree with that article. I don't think people hate the Spurs. I think people are indifferent towards the Spurs.

People HATE Notre Dame football. People HATE Duke basketball. They get ratings because people enjoy watching them lose. I don't think many people outside of Spurs fans has strong feelings towards them.

tdubb03
05-21-2008, 10:09 PM
I don't hate them, but their act is starting to wear thin. If it isn't a flop, it's the "Duncan face" on every whistle, or Bowen legitimately trying to hurt a player. It amazes me that someone hasn't knocked Bowen's head off, especially with Artest in the West now.

Kstat
05-21-2008, 10:10 PM
I don't think anybody hates Notre Dame because they're good :laugh:

Basketball Fan
05-21-2008, 10:15 PM
I don't hate them, but their act is starting to wear thin. If it isn't a flop, it's the "Duncan face" on every whistle, or Bowen legitimately trying to hurt a player. It amazes me that someone hasn't knocked Bowen's head off, especially with Artest in the West now.



Artest would be banned from the NBA if he got into something like that again.

Unclebuck
05-21-2008, 10:26 PM
Good point about the fans not really hating them. As proof I cite the TV ratings. Teams that fans hate get good ratings. The Spurs get poor ratings - so people don't care about them.

BKK
05-22-2008, 01:00 AM
I have been a Spurs fan since the Robinson era... I remember starting watching a lot of game and being in love with basketball around the mid 90ies watching them... to me -granted I'm young- it remains the best time of the nba though the Bulls dominated and the Spurs emerged later with the arrival of Duncan and lated Parker and Ginobilli.

I think the success of the spurs is that they have managed to translate a winning style from the 90ies in today's basketball. If you watch closer they haven't really made major changes in their game. Of course Popovich -a not enough mentionned factor of their success- has made it possible with a very sound and strict approach to the game. I think many people don't like the Spurs because of the turn the league took after the end of the Jordan era. Since then it has taken a huge step towards being a league of stars and what comes with. Today the nba has turn into a league of prima donnas and cry babies that are being way too much protected and spoiled and that's sad. Some will say of course that the Spurs themselves are cry babies but it's not for the same reasons as the majority of superstars. They bring a passion and a winning will very few teams show, and they act accordingly: they don't play it easy, they make every possession count, they try to always keep control of things so they fight... and they fight as a team! Yes sometimes they fight hard but if you look at it and compare with the ball from last decade it is very similar (even less physical on the whole).

So I think that people don't like the Spurs because they have forgotten what basketball was like before and have been getting used to a new type of game, faster, spectacular, kind of egocentric, with amazing athletic skills and so on... The Spurs are the antithesis of today's basketball and the funny thing is that they win. The same goes for Detroit... And finally regarding the dirtiness I guess part of it comes from the same factors. The perception most people have of the Spurs as being dirty is a little biased I think.

Anyway there are many things to talk about when discussing the Spurs and this thread is very interesting since it shows how opinions can diverge on Spurs. I think it's important to look beyond the negative/arguable aspects of the Spurs because they also show great things that make it such a successful team.

Cactus Jax
05-22-2008, 01:42 AM
I think the introduction to the Spurs era is partly what kills people's interest in them or the NBA when they're around. They beat a cinderella Knicks team in a convincing. yet low scoring and boring series.

Then when the Spurs re-emerged, they ran into the equally boring Nets, then the Pistons.

People kind of hate the Spurs but a lot of the lack of interest deals with who they have played, this series versus the Lakers will get good ratings, and if they play the Celtics in the finals that will have good ratings as well.

Dece
05-22-2008, 01:47 AM
I think a Spurs Celtics finals would be full of epic-ly boring grind fest games that would not draw the casual fan at all. People don't want to watch 70-74 games, they are not interesting.

It would have awful ratings.

Eindar
05-22-2008, 06:40 AM
I guess I'm part of the demographic that does indeed hate the Spurs, and I'll tell you why. I hate a lot of teams that are all sizzle and no steak. Players like Ricky Davis and Stromile Swift come to mind. Nobody likes players like that because their game is all flash and no substance.

The Spurs have the opposite problem. They're all steak and no sizzle. They're simply not exciting, unless you find 1960s NBA ball exciting. I want players like Jordan, Paul, and Lebron, that have the entire package, and deliver it with authority. The Spurs don't have a player like that. Tim Duncan has no personality, it's like watching a cyborg programmed for basketball out there, and the rest of the players are decent, but still not thrilling. I do like Ginobili, but one player with some personality on a team full of robots doesn't get my juices flowing.

tora tora
05-22-2008, 01:57 PM
Everybody thought the Spurs were done after going losing the first 2 against New Orleans, then they bounce back and win the series. You can't hate on that. You have to respect that. I don't hate Bowen, I loved watching him torture Nash in the first round.

Young
05-22-2008, 02:37 PM
For the most part I like the Spurs players. Tony Parker has one hot *** wife and I don't have a problem with him. Tim Duncan is the best power forward ever in my mind so I have a lot of respect for him. Robert Horry helps his teams win championships so really I don't have a problem with him.

However I can not stand Bruce Bowen or Manu Ginobli. I don't think what I think of them is appropiate to put on here but we will just say I don't like them. Therefore I can not root for the Spurs.

I would love to see the Lakers beat them. The last thing I want to see is Manu Ginboli and Bruce Bowen get another ring or play more games.

naptownmenace
05-22-2008, 03:20 PM
I don't hate the Spurs. I'm just bored of watching them. I like Parker, Duncan, and especially Ginobilli.

How someone wouldn't like the way Manu plays is beyond me. I'd gladly trade any current Pacers player for him, including Danny.

shags
05-22-2008, 06:15 PM
I don't think anybody hates Notre Dame because they're good :laugh:

Last year's Notre Dame football team would have played in a bowl if the rules allowed it. That's one big reason people hate them.

Oneal07
05-24-2008, 12:50 PM
Everybody thought the Spurs were done after going losing the first 2 against New Orleans, then they bounce back and win the series. You can't hate on that. You have to respect that. I don't hate Bowen, I loved watching him torture Nash in the first round.

Amen

NorCal_Pacerfan
05-25-2008, 03:47 AM
It's funny, I used to root for the Spurs a few years ago - esp when they went up against the Lakers. But now for some reason I find myself wanting the Lakers to win. (and I've always kind of been anti-Lakeshow) I think there are elements of the Spurs that are wearing thin on me personally. To name a few:
Pop seems like a poor loser.
Manu has started flopping a bit too much.
Tim - and I respect Tim - but his 'looks' at the ref are getting old.
Bowen is dirty, but last years Horry block on Nash that led to Amare being suspended for game six is forever etched in my mind.
I don't want to see them win yet again, because I like dif teams to win each year - unless it's the Pacers of course :P
I guess Lakers - Celts would be a classic match up.
I'm rootin' for the green as well...

carpediem024
05-25-2008, 10:18 AM
I don't hate the Spurs at all. I enjoy watching them. I do hope another team wins this year though, not for any other reason than I want a new team to win. (although all 4 teams have won their share over the years. Celts haven't won in 22 years, so I am rooting for the Green

Well screw that! :D

RamBo_Lamar
05-25-2008, 11:35 AM
The Spurs have always been a favorite Western Conference team of mine
since the days of the Iceman.

http://www.remembertheaba.com/ABAArticles/KingArticleGervin.html


They are a fantastic team, great ambassadors of the game, and the defending
champs for very good reason. It's difficult for me to imagine anyone trying
to deny that.

idioteque
05-26-2008, 10:52 AM
I don't get why a lot of people hate the Spurs. I like the Spurs, Parker is the Best PG in the league and that Tim guy isn't bad either. They play good team basketball and I'm a big supporter of that.

Easy there, chief. Parker is a mid-top tier PG in the league but far from the best. I can name five guys off the top of my head that I like better than Parker. CP3, Nash, Devin Harris, Deron Williams, Jose Caledron.

tora tora
05-26-2008, 11:28 AM
CP3, Nash, Devin Harris, Deron Williams, Jose Caledron.

All who've been eliminated, none who have won a championship, let alone a Finals MVP.

Natston
05-26-2008, 12:57 PM
All who've been eliminated, none who have won a championship, let alone a Finals MVP.

So is Robert Horry > Micheal Jordan?

tora tora
05-26-2008, 05:30 PM
So is Robert Horry > Micheal Jordan?

:confused:

idioteque
05-26-2008, 06:01 PM
All who've been eliminated, none who have won a championship, let alone a Finals MVP.

Yes, and it's completely their fault, it has nothing to do with the fact that none of them have a great post player, one of the best lockdown players in the league, a great clutch player, and tons of veteran experience all on their roster.

Derek Fisher must be the reason for LAL's success as well.

BlueNGold
05-26-2008, 06:05 PM
Yes, and it's completely their fault, it has nothing to do with the fact that none of them have a great post player, one of the best lockdown players in the league, a great clutch player, and tons of veteran experience all on their roster.

Derek Fisher must be the reason for LAL's success as well.

Might add JKidd to the list. Just more proof that a dominant big man is more important than a great PG. ...that is, if you want rings.

tora tora
05-27-2008, 01:00 PM
Nash had 2 dominant big men on his team. What's his excuse? Paul had West, Williams had Boozer, Calderon had Bosh. I didn't say Parker was the "best" on his team. As far as the best point guard out there right now, I would highly consider him to be the one.

SamBear
06-07-2008, 03:41 AM
You people who hate the Spurs are just showing your prejudice against foreign players. The same way it was when the african americans came into the league. America hated them too because they were used to watching white people play basketball.

Same crap you all are showing in this thread.

count55
06-07-2008, 04:32 AM
You people who hate the Spurs are just showing your prejudice against foreign players. The same way it was when the african americans came into the league. America hated them too because they were used to watching white people play basketball.

Same crap you all are showing in this thread.

:hmm:

Eindar
06-07-2008, 05:50 AM
You people who hate the Spurs are just showing your prejudice against foreign players. The same way it was when the african americans came into the league. America hated them too because they were used to watching white people play basketball.

Same crap you all are showing in this thread.

Yep, it's clearly because Tim Duncan is from the Virgin Islands, and not because I think he's got less personality than a head of lettuce.

Hicks
06-07-2008, 10:07 AM
SamBear, I think you're way off on this one.

idioteque
06-07-2008, 11:19 AM
You people who hate the Spurs are just showing your prejudice against foreign players. The same way it was when the african americans came into the league. America hated them too because they were used to watching white people play basketball.

Same crap you all are showing in this thread.

Holy toledo. You have got to be kidding me.

idioteque
06-07-2008, 11:21 AM
Nash had 2 dominant big men on his team. What's his excuse? Paul had West, Williams had Boozer, Calderon had Bosh. I didn't say Parker was the "best" on his team. As far as the best point guard out there right now, I would highly consider him to be the one.

Parker is good, but none of those teams that you are mentioning have as good of a supporting cast as the Spurs.

Dece
06-07-2008, 06:17 PM
Considering Stanko is probably the most popular Pacer at this point, I'm not seeing the foreign hate.

BlueNGold
06-07-2008, 11:21 PM
You people who hate the Spurs are just showing your prejudice against foreign players. The same way it was when the african americans came into the league. America hated them too because they were used to watching white people play basketball.

Same crap you all are showing in this thread.

I'm not saying I agree with you, but I would also not dismiss this as pure bunk too quickly. All the Spur stars (Duncan, Parker and Ginobili) are considered international players by many people. Some people, like it or not, are xenophobes or racists. That's a shame, but it is true...so, what you say is probably true in more than a few cases.

BTW, I happen to love the Spurs and wish their home was Indy...b/c they play the right way and have for years...