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Smoothdave1
05-18-2008, 08:19 PM
Saw this today and wanted to hear some opinions. The Orlando Sentinel floated Tinsley's name out there as a possibility for the Magic:

* If the Magic really do want a bigger point guard -- and would risk messing up the chemistry here -- Indiana wants to move on without Jamaal Tinsley, who is a true, pass-first point guard with great court vision. He also is ready to win now. His issue has been injuries and an inability to stay healthy. The Pacers have shown a liking for point guard Jameer Nelson and his confidence, and the two contracts match up well enough. The Magic might even get the Pacers to swap draft positions if they do it.

Here's the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-magic1808may18,0,4449431.story?page=2

Would you do a Tinsley for Nelson deal? What about a Tinsley + ??? for Nelson and Reddick?

Sollozzo
05-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Since I would trade Tinsley for a Coke, I would definitely do that deal.

d_c
05-18-2008, 08:24 PM
Saw this today and wanted to hear some opinions. The Orlando Sentinel floated Tinsley's name out there as a possibility for the Magic:

* If the Magic really do want a bigger point guard -- and would risk messing up the chemistry here -- Indiana wants to move on without Jamaal Tinsley, who is a true, pass-first point guard with great court vision. He also is ready to win now. His issue has been injuries and an inability to stay healthy. The Pacers have shown a liking for point guard Jameer Nelson and his confidence, and the two contracts match up well enough. The Magic might even get the Pacers to swap draft positions if they do it.

Here's the link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-magic1808may18,0,4449431.story?page=2

Would you do a Tinsley for Nelson deal? What about a Tinsley + ??? for Nelson and Reddick? That's simply the writer's suggestion and he's just all over the place. Orlando wouldn't do that. The only thing they'd be doing is trading younger for older.

Then he said Mickael Pietrus is small for a PF, but plays like one. Pietrus plays nothing like a PF and he won't give you much in terms of toughness in the playoffs. I watched enough of the guy to know that the writer has no idea what he's talking about.

I stopped reading once he mentioned that maybe Phx might want to trade their #15 pick for JJ Redick. Nobody is trading anything for JJ Redick right now.

Horrible article.

JayRedd
05-18-2008, 08:25 PM
Not a Nelson fan. And his contract sucks, too. But even though he's the exact same guarantee of PG mediocrity, I guess he's at least healthy and theoretically a little more movable in the future.

Would they take Jamaal for Battie? That would be ideal.

EDIT: Like d_c, I don't believe it really either.

BlueNGold
05-18-2008, 08:25 PM
What a tease. Where do these rumors come from?

d_c
05-18-2008, 08:28 PM
What a tease. Where do these rumors come from?

It comes from the minds of bad writers (of which there are plenty in the NBA) who are looking to fill up column space and beat a deadline.

Kegboy
05-18-2008, 08:37 PM
Ew, just looked at his contract. But then, $34 over 5 for a mediocre player isn't much worse than $22 over 3 for a non-existent one.

Still, dc is right, there's nothing to this.

Anthem
05-18-2008, 10:07 PM
If they want Tinsley, they can have him. But I don't want Nelson back.

Not that it matters, since (as has been said) it's just a writer making crap up.

spreedom
05-18-2008, 10:24 PM
Tins and Ike for Jameer and JJ anyone? I think those two guys would be perfect for Obie's system...

Pacersfan46
05-18-2008, 10:26 PM
I really dislike the idea of having JJ Redick, but if it's to get rid of Tinsley ..... I could live with it. However I think that does nothing to help our problem with defense at the guard position.

Which is really bad.

-- Steve --

maragin
05-18-2008, 10:34 PM
Tins and Ike for Jameer and JJ anyone? I think those two guys would be perfect for Obie's system...

It's not your fault, but your comment made me aware that I cringe every time I see us talk about O'Brien's system. They might be good fits for it, but I'm not convinced our system is all that good. I'm not even sure if O'Brien is our coach after this next year.

Anthem
05-18-2008, 10:36 PM
I'm not a huge Nelson fan, but Reddick? Seriously?

If we're talking to Orlando about Tinsley/Ike, we're asking for Battie and Bogans. Nelson = not really, Reddick = heck no.

Anthem
05-18-2008, 10:41 PM
perfect for Obie's system...
The more I think about this the more it irks me. Mr "I've hit 55 NBA threes in my career" is perfect for Obie's system? Mr "Never played more than 40 games a season" is the guy we want on the Pacers?

Brian
05-18-2008, 10:49 PM
I never believe stuff like this anymore.Ive learned that once a teams season is over their respective team writers reach for anything and everything to fill the paper.


I remember last season after the mavs were eliminated one of the dallas morning news writers had a column mentioning that Jonathon Bender would be a perfect fit for the mavs.

d_c
05-19-2008, 01:59 AM
I never believe stuff like this anymore.Ive learned that once a teams season is over their respective team writers reach for anything and everything to fill the paper.

I remember last season after the mavs were eliminated one of the dallas morning news writers had a column mentioning that Jonathon Bender would be a perfect fit for the mavs.

There's really nothing to believe or not believe. It's just pure opinion from one writer and nothing else. (It's not a very good opinion either)

Really, articles like this are less meaningful than guys like us posting on a message board like this. They just happen to get more attention because they're written by guys who are paid to write. In reality, about half this board can write better/more realistic articles about such subjects.

But that's not even the worst part. The worst part is a writer printing such an article and then RealGM putting up a headline on their front page that reads "Magic interested in Tinsley?" or "Nuggets looking to trade Carmelo?".

Then of course that's followed by thread on every team's message board titled "Carmelo available????????" followed by a ton of fans who say a 24 year old all-star who's on Team USA really isn't that good and that they don't want him even though he's better than everyone on their team.

Every time an article like that is written, we all become dumber for it.

*End of rant (sorry)*

D-BONE
05-19-2008, 08:10 AM
Wouldn't touch J.J. Reddick with a ten foot pole. Jameer Nelson? Might do it just to part ways with Tins, but the thought of it gives me a tinge of indigestion. I'd hold out for something else or even (heaven forbid!) suck it up with another year of JT if we draft/acquire a PG elsewhere.

Mourning
05-19-2008, 08:26 AM
Then of course that's followed by thread on every team's message board titled "Carmelo available????????" followed by a ton of fans who say a 24 year old all-star who's on Team USA really isn't that good and that they don't want him even though he's better than everyone on their team.

Sounds familiar :rolleyes:





:D

count55
05-19-2008, 08:33 AM
I hardly think we're in a position to be picky about who we'd take back for Tinsley.

This rumor may be specious, spurious, or both, but I think the only thing we'll be requiring from whatever team we offer Tinsley to is "Yes".

esabyrn333
05-19-2008, 09:45 AM
I don't think we would be lucky enough to get a player as good as Jameer Nelson for a guy that is hurt all the time, doesn't like to work out, and tends to be a team cancer that has had a problem with every coach he has had.

idioteque
05-19-2008, 09:49 AM
I don't think we would be lucky enough to get a player as good as Jameer Nelson for a guy that is hurt all the time, doesn't like to work out, and tends to be a team cancer that has had a problem with every coach he has had.

I see what you're saying, but remember that Nelson is basically your average NBA PG and his contract is very bloated. The Magic could do it just for a little financial relief in the long run.

Unclebuck
05-19-2008, 10:03 AM
I've wanted Delonte West for a few years now and I still want him. He is a restricted free agent - so let's get him - sign and trade with the Cavs

Kegboy
05-19-2008, 10:26 AM
I've wanted Delonte West for a few years now and I still want him. He is a restricted free agent - so let's get him - sign and trade with the Cavs

Good luck with that:

http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/19063174.html



West wants to stay

The playoffs turned out to be a bit of a coming-out party for Cavs guard Delonte West. He was a little inconsistent but proved he could be a playmaker under pressure. The Cavs have been long searching for a point guard who can make plays alongside James.

West averaged 10.8 points and 4.1 assists in the playoffs and 11.4 points in the Celtics series.

West will be a restricted free agent but said he wants to come back and establish his role.

''I would love to be back here next year,'' West said. ''I didn't surprise myself with anything I did in the playoffs. What I did learn is how much I have to get better.''

Naptown_Seth
05-19-2008, 11:54 AM
His issue has been injuries and an inability to stay healthy
See what I mean about JOB's health comments as spin. By "admitting" to Tinsley's missing games issues due to health they spin away from the underlying image that a lot of those games missed were coach/player relationship based.

Instead of "the Pacers are sick of dealing with this guy's crap" we have "well he has had injuries...but if he can stay healthy". Just what we want them to think. :devil:

naptownmenace
05-19-2008, 12:02 PM
I'm not a huge Nelson fan, but Reddick? Seriously?

If we're talking to Orlando about Tinsley/Ike, we're asking for Battie and Bogans. Nelson = not really, Reddick = heck no.

Thank you! I think those that still like Reddick haven't seen him play in the NBA. He's Steve Alford part 2.

I'm sure Obie would love to coach Battie again. Or, we could just cut him... either way Tinsley has got to go.

dal9
05-19-2008, 03:21 PM
The more I think about this the more it irks me.

:)

avoidingtheclowns
05-19-2008, 03:26 PM
The more I think about this the more it irks me. Mr "I've hit 55 NBA threes in my career" is perfect for Obie's system? Mr "Never played more than 40 games a season" is the guy we want on the Pacers?

to be fair you could say the same thing about diener.

no diener isn't our PG savior but i think most can agree that he's a pretty solid backup. guy definitely knows how to run the offense and take care of the ball.

that being said i really don't want reddick. if we want a career backup shooter, lets get shan foster in the second round.

also, if for some reason the magic DO want tinsley, the Battie deal Redd mentioned is probably the most reasonable.

maragin
05-19-2008, 05:11 PM
to be fair you could say the same thing about diener.

no diener isn't our PG savior but i think most can agree that he's a pretty solid backup. guy definitely knows how to run the offense and take care of the ball.



I know a lot of people on this board will differ with me, but I'm not that comfortable with Diener as our backup PG. I like him as 3rd off the bench, or there as injury protection. I just don't think he's that good.

Edit: This could change as he develops. Hit the gym this summer, Travis.

Dr. Goldfoot
05-19-2008, 05:14 PM
I know a lot of people on this board will differ with me, but I'm not that comfortable with Diener as our backup PG. I like him as 3rd off the bench, or there as injury protection. I just don't think he's that good.

I agree with you. He's weak on D, shoots a low % from the field and calls his own number too early in the shot clock.

avoidingtheclowns
05-19-2008, 06:14 PM
I know a lot of people on this board will differ with me, but I'm not that comfortable with Diener as our backup PG. I like him as 3rd off the bench, or there as injury protection. I just don't think he's that good.

Edit: This could change as he develops. Hit the gym this summer, Travis.


I agree with you. He's weak on D, shoots a low % from the field and calls his own number too early in the shot clock.

he is weak on D and his shooting wasn't what we thought it would be... but i look at this as diener's rookie year. instead of acie law, we 'drafted' diener. acie made $1.9 this season and travis made $1.5, so it is relatively close. let's compare the two:

Diener 66/21 g/s - Law 56/6 g/s
Diener 20.5min - Law 15.4min
Diener 6.9ppg - Law 4.2ppg
Diener 1.7rpg - Law 1.0rpg
Diener 3.8apg - Law 2.0apg
Diener 0.83 TO - Law 1.00 TO
Diener 37% FG - Law 40% FG
Diener 32% 3pt - Law 21% 3pt

we watched last summer dunleavy take his 3pt% from a combined 32% to 42% so i think travis can probably improve his this summer. it was the first season he really had any significant playing time, so we'll see what happens next year as he clearly has a lot to work on.

madison
05-19-2008, 06:26 PM
I'm pleased that a paid writer in another city thinks highly enough of JT to pen a story about a possible trade for him. Considering JT's record of injury and missed games (for whatever reason), any interest shown is a plus -- even if it's pure speculation. Maybe there's hope after all.

d_c
05-19-2008, 06:33 PM
any interest shown is a plus -- even if it's pure speculation. Maybe there's hope after all.

Sure, I guess. Just remember that the interest this writer shows means about as much as that of any Magic fan posting on RealGM.

himikey
05-19-2008, 06:55 PM
I would be OK with JJ Redick and Tony Battie for JT, if only to get his contract off the books. Redick and Battie will be next years Kareem Rush and David Harrison!

Oneal07
05-19-2008, 09:35 PM
LOL. .Tinsley A PAss 1st PG

JayRedd
05-19-2008, 09:38 PM
Edit: This could change as he develops. Hit the gym this summer, Travis.


we watched last summer dunleavy take his 3pt% from a combined 32% to 42% so i think travis can probably improve his this summer. it was the first season he really had any significant playing time, so we'll see what happens next year as he clearly has a lot to work on.

Isn't he in a Lazy Boy recliner with his toe in the air for the next three months?

OnlyPacersLeft
05-19-2008, 09:46 PM
woooo hoooo! Yes! my other fav team! bring em here!

avoidingtheclowns
05-19-2008, 10:27 PM
Isn't he in a Lazy Boy recliner with his toe in the air for the next three months?

so about that.......


there is a joke in there about sedentary objects, 'wrist strengthening' and LG33 -- i just can't find it...

Gamble1
05-19-2008, 10:42 PM
I know a lot of people on this board will differ with me, but I'm not that comfortable with Diener as our backup PG. I like him as 3rd off the bench, or there as injury protection. I just don't think he's that good.

Edit: This could change as he develops. Hit the gym this summer, Travis.

I think your view of Diener is influenced by the teams lack of a starting pg. His Turn over ratio is as solid as any back up pgs in league. He also has shown that the offense is run smoothly through him.

The only huge mark against Diener is his defense which most back up pg's excel.

Anthem
05-19-2008, 11:01 PM
The only huge mark against Diener is his defense ...
Shooting accuracy...

Shot selection...

Slick Pinkham
05-20-2008, 08:33 AM
If somebody can drive Tinsley to the airport on that end, I'll go up to Orlando and help him out on this end.

:)

Not that Nelson is great or anything.

I'd take back a duffel bag of sweaty gym socks for Tinsley, even if the duffel bag had lots of years left on its contract.

Justin Tyme
05-20-2008, 03:36 PM
[QUOTE=pacertom;721215]

If somebody can drive Tinsley to the airport on that end, /QUOTE]


I gladly will, BUT only with a police escort. I don't have a bulletproof vehicle at my disposal!