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Kegboy
05-16-2008, 06:40 AM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/lottery_bird_080515.html



Bird likes options available in Lottery



By Conrad Brunner | May 15, 2008 <HR>When Larry Bird visited Secaucus, N.J., a year ago, he hoped to beat the odds but expected to walk away empty-handed.
On this trip to the NBA Draft Lottery, Bird knows he'll leave with something good, even if his Pacers don't land one of the coveted top three picks in Tuesday's draw.

"There's a lot of good players in this draft," said Bird. "Obviously in the top 12 or 15, there's some players that probably will be a little better in our league than people think they're going to be, a lot of athletic players that play multiple positions. I think it's going to be a pretty deep draft. Even in the 20s, there's going to be some players that can step in and help teams right away."

The lottery teams are initially slotted in reverse order of their won-lost records, so the Pacers enter the process at No. 11 – the same as last year, when they needed to pull one of the top three picks to avoid losing their first-round selection to Atlanta to complete the 2006 trade for Al Harrington. The pick wound up at No. 11 and wound up with the Hawks, who used it to select guard Acie Law.

Though they have less than a 3 percent chance of landing in the top three (an 0.8 percent chance at No. 1, an 0.9 percent chance at No. 2 and a 1.2 percent chance at No. 3), the Pacers will emerge from the lottery with no worse than the 13th pick. The odds are overwhelming (90.8 percent) they'll stay right where they are and pick No. 11. There's a 6.3 percent chance they could slip to No. 12.

"You always hope for the best but the chances are you're going to be 11 or 12," Bird said. "You'd always like to jump up in there but a lot of times it doesn't happen. We do have a chance, less than 3 percent to get into the top three, but it's still a chance."

The Pacers' stated needs are point guard and post, with defensive toughness a priority at both positions. They could address either need if they land one of the top three picks.

The top two players are expected to be a pair of dynamic talents with just one season of college experience: Kansas State power forward Michael Beasley and Memphis point guard Derrick Rose, with their order of selection dependent on the needs of the team that winds up No. 1. The No. 3 pick should come from a group that includes USC shooting guard O.J. Mayo, Stanford center Brook Lopez and Arizona shooting guard Jerryd Bayless.

"There are one or two, maybe three, guys that can become All-Stars," said Bird, "guys that really stick out."
Should the Pacers wind up at either No. 11 or 12, they likely could choose from point guards Russell Westbrook (6-4, 187, UCLA) or D.J. Augustin (5-11, 180, Texas); or post players Darrell Arthur (6-9, 230, Kansas), Kevin Love (6-9, 260, UCLA), DeAndre Jordan (7-0, 260, Texas A&M), Kosta Koufos (7-1, 245, Ohio State) or JaVale McGee (7-0, 237, Nevada).

Either way, they aren't expecting to emerge from the lottery, or the June 26 draft, with a franchise savior but rather another important piece in a strong young nucleus.

"The player we get is going to continue to get better," said Bird, "and I think we're going to be alright."
This will be Bird's first lottery pick as the sole head of the Pacers' basketball operations but he doesn't view it as an opportunity to put his stamp on the roster. All things considered, he'd just as soon this turn out to be his last lottery pick. "We've done well with our picks but, yeah, you don't want to be in the lottery. You want to be in the playoffs," he said. "But we're there and we've got to make the most of it."

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/lottery_thumbnail_2008.html



Outling the Pacers’ lottery plans

<BIG>Team needs:</BIG> With Jamaal Tinsley's days as the starting point guard apparently numbered after another injury plagued season, the Pacers are on the lookout for their point guard of the future – not to mention present. Should no options present themselves, they also are in need of a strong defensive presence inside, with the ability to protect the paint and the rim high on the priority list. Whichever direction they go, the Pacers want a player with strong mental and physical toughness.

<BIG>If the Pacers finish in the top three:</BIG> Should they wind up No. 1 overall (an 0.8 percent chance), the most obvious option would be Memphis point guard Derrick Rose, who came on strong in the NCAA Tournament, but don't discount the possibility they'd go with Kansas State power forward Michael Beasley, who may have more potential for true NBA greatness. At No. 2 (an 0.9 percent chance), they'd gladly take either Rose or Beasley. Things get a little clouder at No. 3 (a 1.2 percent chance), but the most likely options appear to be Stanford center Brook Lopez or USC guard O.J. Mayo.

<BIG>If the Pacers don't beat the odds:</BIG> Odds are overwhelming (90.8 percent) they'll wind up at No. 11 and they should be able to address either of their needs. Early mock drafts point guard 6-4 UCLA point guard Michael Westbrook, who has a strong defensive presence and solid all-around game, though Kansas big man Darrell Arthur could prove too tempting to pass. They've also been linked with UCLA power forward Kevin Love.

<BIG>Lottery luck:</BIG> Though they participated in the lottery last year, the Pacers needed to pull one of the top three picks to avoid losing their first-round selection to Atlanta to complete the 1996 trade for Al Harrington. They wound up at No. 11 and the pick went to the Hawks. Indiana's last actual lottery pick was Austin Croshere at No. 12 overall in 1997. They've never pulled the top pick from the lottery but have finished at No. 2 twice, taking Rik Smits (behind Danny Manning) in 1988 and Wayman Tisdale (behind Patrick Ewing) in 1985.

<BIG>Representing the Pacers at the lottery: </BIG>This representing the first lottery pick of Larry Bird's tenure as the sole leader of the team's basketball operations, Bird will make the trip to Secaucus for the second year in a row. He was a first-year head coach in 1997 when Croshere was selected but did not attend the lottery. Bird will be joined by David Benner, the Director of Public Information, who will be the team's observer for the behind-closed-doors lottery draw.

Kegboy
05-16-2008, 06:42 AM
there's some players that probably will be a little better in our league than people think they're going to be, a lot of athletic players that play multiple positions.

Red flag alert. Wave off, Larry, wave off! Abort! ABORT!


Outling the Pacers’ lottery plans

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Speed
05-16-2008, 07:38 AM
Thanks for the articles.

Mourning
05-16-2008, 07:48 AM
Lottery luck: Though they participated in the lottery last year, the Pacers needed to pull one of the top three picks to avoid losing their first-round selection to Atlanta to complete the 1996 trade for Al Harrington.

:huh:

Kegboy
05-16-2008, 08:25 AM
:huh:

So Donnie and Billy worked that out when he was here? Isn't that tampering, considering Al was a Sophomore in High School.

Speed
05-16-2008, 09:05 AM
So Donnie and Billy worked that out when he was here? Isn't that tampering, considering Al was a Sophomore in High School.

I bet he wouldn't pass out of the low post even then.

LG33
05-16-2008, 09:17 AM
We knew even then that he was destined for mediocrity.

Unclebuck
05-16-2008, 02:09 PM
Red flag alert. Wave off, Larry, wave off! Abort! ABORT!



:eyebrow2:

Yes that is what we need athletic players - the multiple position thing would be nice, but athleticism is what we need.

Kraft
05-16-2008, 02:12 PM
I love the Michael Westbrook slip. Maybe he'd punch Tinsley at practice.

LG33
05-16-2008, 02:17 PM
I'd be very upset if we got stuck with Kevin Pudge. Very upset.

blanket
05-16-2008, 02:50 PM
"There's a lot of good players in this draft," said Bird. "Obviously in the top 12 or 15, there's some players that probably will be a little better in our league than people think they're going to be, a lot of athletic players that play multiple positions. I think it's going to be a pretty deep draft. Even in the 20s, there's going to be some players that can step in and help teams right away."


Unless he's thinking of trading up for a Bayless or Mayo (doubt it), then it sounds like Larry is describing Westbrook. Not sure who else projected top 12-15 would fit that description.

Kegboy
05-16-2008, 03:03 PM
Yes that is what we need athletic players - the multiple position thing would be nice, but athleticism is what we need.

IMO we had our "multi-position athlete" era. It didn't go too well. Shawne's one too.

Unclebuck
05-16-2008, 03:13 PM
IMO we had our "multi-position athlete" era. It didn't go too well. Shawne's one too.

So you think the problem was that the players were multi-positional? (not that I really agree that they were multi-positional) Or was the problem the players that were chosen. Ask any coach if they would like to have players able to play multiple positions and the answer would be yes.

I just don't see the cause and effect as you seem to. Sort of like saying everyday I get out of bed the sun comes up. Does that mean if I stay in bed all day the sun won't come up - of course not. (I'm in my Friday afternoon mood)

Trader Joe
05-16-2008, 03:16 PM
I think the problem is that teams that draft multi position players often have long rebuild times. Atlanta is the best example of that scenario. Yes, now it is paying dividends, but had they drafted Paul they probably would have been a top four seed in the East this year. Not the same sort of deal for us obviously since we don't have a PG like Paul staring us in the face at 11, but I still don't want to send up with another SG/SF/PF tweener.

Unclebuck
05-16-2008, 03:44 PM
I think the problem is that teams that draft multi position players often have long rebuild times. Atlanta is the best example of that scenario. Yes, now it is paying dividends, but had they drafted Paul they probably would have been a top four seed in the East this year. Not the same sort of deal for us obviously since we don't have a PG like Paul staring us in the face at 11, but I still don't want to send up with another SG/SF/PF tweener.

Yes, but the problem wasn't the drafting of "multi-positional players" the problem was totoally missing the talent of Paul or Deron Williams. (I don't care if Paul or D. Williams played all 5 positions, the Hawks blew their pick)

Rajah Brown
05-16-2008, 03:52 PM
Philly with all their multi-positional guys is fun to watch. But you
win big in the NBA with guys who play 'their' position and play it
well.

Unclebuck
05-16-2008, 03:56 PM
Philly with all their multi-positional guys is fun to watch. But you
win big in the NBA with guys who play 'their' position and play it
well.

Are we confusing multi-positional with players who don't have specific roles. Because I believe in having players who have very specific roles, but I also believe in having players who can play more than one position.

LG33
05-16-2008, 04:26 PM
I'd be very upset if we got stuck with Kevin Pudge. Very upset.

I've since reconsidered. He'd probably be alright.

grace
05-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Personally, I hope the Pacers don't end up with Bayless. Why? Because every time I hear his name I think of Skip Bayless and it makes me want to :puke:. On the other hand I might lose enough weight to be a size 2 by Christmas.

d_c
05-16-2008, 04:41 PM
I've since reconsidered. He'd probably be alright.

I hope it's not because you just read Chad Ford's recent article on Love.

These types of articles from Ford are churned out every year before the draft, hyping up a certain player on how great he looks after a few weeks of working out.

These guys have been playing basketball all their lives. Now all of a sudden in 3 weeks they've suddenly improved by leaps and bounds after spending some time with a trainer and doing some drills? Let's get real here. Basketball players don't suddenly improve by leaps and bounds just like that.

It's classic Ford hype and doesn't change my opinion of Love either way.

MyFavMartin
05-16-2008, 05:21 PM
Unless he's thinking of trading up for a Bayless or Mayo (doubt it), then it sounds like Larry is describing Westbrook. Not sure who else projected top 12-15 would fit that description.

I'd add Randolph SF/PF, Beasley SF/PF, and Gallinari SF/PF to your 3. I'd also add Speights, Love and Jordan (PF/C) but not sure if I'd consider any to be particularly exceptional in athleticism. CDR I could see at SG or SF but I don't think he's top 12/15.

Rajah Brown
05-16-2008, 05:52 PM
UB-

I take your point. Having a couple guys who can swing between
PG and SG, SG and SF or PF and C, largely as backups when
playing their 'off' position, is fine. But if I had my choice, I'd
take a setup like (for example) the Pacers of the late-90's-2000.

Other than DD playing some C on occasion, those guys were pretty
much locked into their spots, had the skill-set to play them well and
had the great chemistry that results from it.

San Antonio is similar in that respect.

Rajah Brown
05-16-2008, 06:02 PM
d c-

You're right about Ford's annual penchant for hyperbolic waxing
over this prospect or that. But while I'm agnostic on Love and
can take or leave him, he is the kind of kid who could make
alot of physical progress over a short time with the assistance
of a sophisticated trainer.

6 weeks on an intense weight and cardio regimen and that kid could
drop 10 lbs of fat, p/u 5 lbs of muscle dropping his body fat %
considerably and look like a different kid altogether physically.