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Hicks
05-15-2008, 10:52 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/012565.html

I don't know if I'm stunned or not.



"Of course," Carlisle said when asked if he would coach his former player again. "This guy is one of the real difference-makers that we have in this league. He's had one all-star year; that's when he played for me. I've had a chance to reconnect with Ronnie a couple times over the last couple of years. I love him and I love his family, so yeah. This guy was one of the most physical, intimidating players that I've ever seen at the small forward position, so he'd be a player that any team would want to have."

idioteque
05-15-2008, 10:56 PM
Well, Rick, have fun with that.

You'd think he'd learn the first time that a collection of poor character guys on a team spells disaster. Or hell, just having Ron Artest is enough.

Trader Joe
05-15-2008, 11:01 PM
Proof that Rick Carlisle has totally removed his last two years as Pacers coach from his memory.

JayRedd
05-15-2008, 11:04 PM
JKidd/Howard/Ron Ron/Dirk/my grandma is an amazing lineup.

I don't blame him.

AesopRockOn
05-15-2008, 11:08 PM
Yeah, well, where is Josh Howard going to go? Detroit?

Anthem
05-15-2008, 11:11 PM
Yeah, well, where is Josh Howard going to go? Detroit?
They shouldn't have any trouble moving Howard.

They'd be better with Howard at 2 and Terry off the bench.

Ron/Howard on the wings? Crazy.

Trader Joe
05-15-2008, 11:13 PM
They shouldn't have any trouble moving Howard.

They'd be better with Howard at 2 and Terry off the bench.

Ron/Howard on the wings? Crazy.

Literally.

JayRedd
05-15-2008, 11:20 PM
That was a drunken oversight. Fixed.

ajbry
05-15-2008, 11:24 PM
You insert Ron into that lineup and are left with 4 guys (5 including loudmouth Stackhouse) who think they should be the #1 option. That would just be a ton of fun within itself...

Rick has lost his damn mind. This is a new start for him and he wants to bring back the dude who ruined his chance at a title only 3 years ago?

Young
05-15-2008, 11:29 PM
I will say I am suprised by this in a way.

I will admit though that I can look at Artest and not be filled with anger by thinking of what might of, would, should of, could of been.

The whole brawl, yeah Ron went in to stands and he got suspended the whole year but truth be told I could forgive and forget about that. It's not like it is unheard of to see a player go in to the stands. The thing is that is not the only thing Ron did wrong. It just got the most attention.

But what goes on behind the scenes that I don't know about. That is what scares me about Ron. The guy is just crazy. I would be afraid that one day he wakes up in the middle of the season and says "**** it im done, im retired."

But hey Rick must really believe in him and believe that he can win big with Ron. There is no better person to know besides Rick.

Trader Joe
05-15-2008, 11:33 PM
On a scale of one to ten how horrified is Stern over the thought of Ronnie on a team owned by Mark Cuban?

We should be able to bet on the chances of a Cuban-Artest incited brawl.

SycamoreKen
05-15-2008, 11:37 PM
That would make every other team in the West happy. One more team that would flame out in the playoffs, if they even made it.

Trader Joe
05-15-2008, 11:38 PM
That would make every other team in the West happy. One more team that would flame out in the playoffs, if they even made it.

Mavs already flame out in the playoffs anyway.

SycamoreKen
05-15-2008, 11:39 PM
True.

count55
05-16-2008, 07:55 AM
When was the last time you ever heard Rick speak in anything other than glowing terms about anyone?

Ron Artest? - Love to have him
Jamaal Tinsley? - Top 5 PG talent when healthy
Hitler? - Man, what a painter.

I think it's almost reflexive at this point. I thought (think) he was (is) a good coach, but he's all politics.

Putnam
05-16-2008, 08:02 AM
:iagree:


There are really two problems with Carlisle's pronouncements.

He is political, so you can't be sure if he meant what he said.
He is inarticulate, so you can't be sure if he said what he meant.






Carlisle is never going to be remembered as a great coach. But if he says many more things like my signature, he may find a place alongside Yogi Berra as a word bungler.

Speed
05-16-2008, 08:04 AM
Ron Artest? - Love to have him
Jamaal Tinsley? - Top 5 PG talent when healthy
Hitler? - Man, what a painter.


Thanks, I had to make up a lie as to why I was laughing to a coworker.

count55
05-16-2008, 08:16 AM
Thanks, I had to make up a lie as to why I was laughing to a coworker.

You need to work where I work...I just spin the screen and show 'em.

JayRedd
05-16-2008, 08:37 AM
Ron Artest? - Love to have him
Jamaal Tinsley? - Top 5 PG talent when healthy
Hitler? - Man, what a painter.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Naptown_Seth
05-16-2008, 09:10 AM
Hands up, who thinks Dallas is just fine as is and will likely win the title next year.

And we're done. Something must change, and I don't recall hearing that Dirk was Mr. Intimidation, or Kidd for that matter. If you are going to fail then why not try something else that only might fail?

I do agree that Rick is Mr. Positive about everyone in the press, but I don't think it's political in a disingenuous manner. He had no problem ripping on Ronnie in the press early in his AS year (IIRC) which resulted in Artest going totally off the next game and naturally hearing a lot of praise from Rick after that.

I think Rick is serious enough about this. He may not be his first choice but I think he's being sincere in his comments. He just likes to leave out the negative parts he might also think about a player.

PacerGuy
05-16-2008, 09:24 AM
Thing too is that you will not find too many people who "know" Ron Artest that don't genuionly like Ron. They all say he is a great guy - off the court. This is not a "bad guy", just not a smart &/or stable guy, but not a bad dude at all. I'm sure Rick does like Ron. Most everyone (except R.Miller & most NBA/Indiana fans) do. Now, that doesn't mean these people like "Ron-Ron" (the evil twin personality), but the do like "Ron Artest" (the person). If Ron Artest went to Dallas w/o "Ron-Ron" showing up - thats a huge win for them.

Jonathan
05-16-2008, 09:30 AM
Ronnie Artest is a shut down defender in the NBA. Dallas would benefit from his services. If he can play stable Flip a coin. Can he win a championship (NO) Rip Hamilton anyone?

Oneal07
05-16-2008, 11:21 AM
Not Surprised. . .I expect it to happen.

Major Cold
05-16-2008, 11:49 AM
When Artest goes to Dallas I will eat my big toe.

Trader Joe
05-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Thanks, I had to make up a lie as to why I was laughing to a coworker.

Where do you work? A slaughterhouse?

Hicks
05-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Some of you don't seem to get it that it goes beyond what his basketball skills are. Sacramento wants him GONE. There's a reason for that, and it's all about what he's like in the locker room.

Hicks
05-16-2008, 11:55 AM
Also, and I should probably start a new thread for this, but I watched Rick's press conference in Dallas (went about 40 min).

What was interesting is that at one point he was discussing Jason Kidd, and he went into a bit about how when he has a PG who knows how to run a team, he lets them run a team. He then mentioned Mark Jackson from his first go-round in Indiana, then mentioned Anthony Johnson from his time as head coach. Not a peep about Jamaal Tinsley. I find that pretty telling.

SoupIsGood
05-16-2008, 12:25 PM
But I think that also speaks to why we had to let him go. He had strangely huge amounts of faith in some pretty bad players, sometimes. I mean, AJ? As the sort of PG that can run a team? Guy could hardly get the ball upcourt.

Edit: That said, the presence of Kidd on the mavs is part of why I think this is such a great hire for them. We never really got to see Rick work with a good/great PG whom he trusted while he was HC here. I sense he'll seem like an entirely different coach, working with Kidd.

Tom White
05-16-2008, 12:54 PM
Ron/Howard on the wings? Crazy.

They plan on starting Opie Taylor?

Putnam
05-16-2008, 01:01 PM
They plan on starting Opie Taylor?

:applaud:

JayRedd
05-16-2008, 01:20 PM
Opie Taylor?!??! Opie?!? Hey...I got your Opie, you big, bad Gomer Pyle, droopy-eyed son of a b*tch.

maragin
05-16-2008, 01:52 PM
As someone who gives outlandish theories their scientific due, I'll present this:

Cuban: Hi Rick, welcome aboard.

Rick: Thanks, I'm excited to be a part of the organization.

Cuban: Rick, I've been thinking... do you remember Ron Artest?

Rick: ... yeah, why?

Cuban: I want him to play for us. We're boned as it stands right now, and if we could get 2 good years out of him, I think it's our best shot.

Rick: Look Mark, er, I mean sir, Ron botched the season we should have won it all in Indiana. Aren't you worried about that?

Cuban: We need a nasty side to go with Dirk. We need a guy to take out the best opposing player. And I brought you in here to make it happen. And for that, I need you to mention it in the press conference.

Rick: (sighs) I will. What if it backfires?

Cuban: Well, whataya say to coaching the Cubbies?

Anthem
05-16-2008, 02:12 PM
Where do you work? A slaughterhouse?
Wendy's.

CableKC
05-16-2008, 07:11 PM
Also, and I should probably start a new thread for this, but I watched Rick's press conference in Dallas (went about 40 min).

What was interesting is that at one point he was discussing Jason Kidd, and he went into a bit about how when he has a PG who knows how to run a team, he lets them run a team. He then mentioned Mark Jackson from his first go-round in Indiana, then mentioned Anthony Johnson from his time as head coach. Not a peep about Jamaal Tinsley. I find that pretty telling.
I've always believed that one of the reasons why Carlisle called so many plays when Tinsley was running the point was because he didn't trust Tinsley to run the point the way that he wanted.

I agree with you and Soup and don't think that the Mavs will have "more fun" playing for a Coach like Carlisle then the Pacers did. I don't think that he will be calling every play because he has a top-notch PG that he can ( likely ) trust to run the team the way he wants.

madison
05-17-2008, 08:35 PM
Two comments. I was on a plane from PHX to IND with Artest (two rows behind me) last fall. He couldn't have been nicer. I'm still one of those who think Artest (and the Pacers) got shafted beyond reason in Detroit. Second comment. Perhaps Rick was just being polite. Dallas plays Sacramento four times a year so there's no reason for him to rile RA in an interview.

ABADays
05-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Two comments. I was on a plane from PHX to IND with Artest (two rows behind me) last fall. He couldn't have been nicer. I'm still one of those who think Artest (and the Pacers) got shafted beyond reason in Detroit. Second comment. Perhaps Rick was just being polite. Dallas plays Sacramento four times a year so there's no reason for him to rile RA in an interview.

Artest didn't get shafted - Indiana got shafted. And God only knows how Detroit suffered nothing.

SycamoreKen
05-17-2008, 11:16 PM
Thing too is that you will not find too many people who "know" Ron Artest that don't genuionly like Ron. They all say he is a great guy - off the court. This is not a "bad guy", just not a smart &/or stable guy, but not a bad dude at all. I'm sure Rick does like Ron. Most everyone (except R.Miller & most NBA/Indiana fans) do. Now, that doesn't mean these people like "Ron-Ron" (the evil twin personality), but the do like "Ron Artest" (the person). If Ron Artest went to Dallas w/o "Ron-Ron" showing up - thats a huge win for them.

But the odds of that happening are about the same as me suiting up and playing point for the Pacers next season.

Robertmto
05-18-2008, 02:24 AM
Thing too is that you will not find too many people who "know" Ron Artest that don't genuionly like Ron. They all say he is a great guy - off the court. This is not a "bad guy", just not a smart &/or stable guy, but not a bad dude at all. I'm sure Rick does like Ron. Most everyone (except R.Miller & most NBA/Indiana fans) do. Now, that doesn't mean these people like "Ron-Ron" (the evil twin personality), but the do like "Ron Artest" (the person). If Ron Artest went to Dallas w/o "Ron-Ron" showing up - thats a huge win for them.

But the odds of that happening are about the same as me suiting up and playing point for the Pacers next season.

actually, check ur mail oer the next 3 days, u've been invited to tryout camp