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Speed
05-12-2008, 03:36 PM
Sorry if this has been done, but I was reading how they get 8 of 1000 chances to upgrade to number one and that there's a greater chance to get the 12 pick vs the 1, 2, or 3 pick respectively. So here you go.

07 Acie Law (Al Harrington move)

06 JJ Redick

05 Fran Vazquez (seriously, I'm not kidding followed by Yaroslav Krolev at 12, seriously)

04 Andris Biedrins

03 Mickael Pietrus

02 Jared Jeffries

01 Kedrick Brown

00 Jerome Moiso

99 Trajan Langdon (great Alaskan born player, now playing in Russia! You can take the boy out of the Tundra... well maybe you can't)

98 Bonzi Wells

97 Tariq Abdul Wahad (I can't remember his other name, but I know its alot easier)

96 Todd Fuller

I'll stop here. Maybe they need to consider trading up.
:dance:

I know there are guys taken after 11 that are allstars, but this is a very sad list at 11.

Trader Joe
05-12-2008, 03:38 PM
So maybe the eleventh pick is due?

Major Cold
05-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Or this is telling of our doom.

bread
05-12-2008, 04:17 PM
It would be interesting to see who was picked at 12-20 for all those drafts in order to get a better idea of what was available.

idioteque
05-12-2008, 04:22 PM
97 Tariq Abdul Wahad (I can't remember his other name, but I know its alot easier)

96 Todd Fuller



Olivier Michael Saint-Jean is his name. I looked it up on wikipedia, honestly I thought that it was Chris Jackson, but then I remembered that was Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf.

Robertmto
05-12-2008, 04:24 PM
02 was an amazing draft

AB1077
05-12-2008, 04:25 PM
Of course, a guy who wore #31 for many years as a Pacer was drafted 11th in 1987. Granted, the guy making our draft picks I have far less faith in than the guy who drafted Reggie...

Tom White
05-12-2008, 04:32 PM
02 was an amazing draft

But it couldn't have been very deep if Jeffires went as high as 11. Maybe that was just a bad pick.

Robertmto
05-12-2008, 04:37 PM
But it couldn't have been very deep if Jeffires went as high as 11. Maybe that was just a bad pick.

:punch:

Kegboy
05-12-2008, 04:46 PM
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, no player of any value has ever been drafted at any position in the history of the draft.

Robertmto
05-12-2008, 04:46 PM
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, no player of any value has ever been drafted at any position in the history of the draft.

those #3 picks are the most oiverrated

d_c
05-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Sorry if this has been done, but I was reading how they get 8 of 1000 chances to upgrade to number one and that there's a greater chance to get the 12 pick vs the 1, 2, or 3 pick respectively. So here you go.

07 Acie Law (Al Harrington move)

06 JJ Redick

05 Fran Vazquez (seriously, I'm not kidding followed by Yaroslav Krolev at 12, seriously)

04 Andris Biedrins

03 Mickael Pietrus

02 Jared Jeffries

01 Kedrick Brown

00 Jerome Moiso

99 Trajan Langdon (great Alaskan born player, now playing in Russia! You can take the boy out of the Tundra... well maybe you can't)

98 Bonzi Wells

97 Tariq Abdul Wahad (I can't remember his other name, but I know its alot easier)

96 Todd Fuller

I'll stop here. Maybe they need to consider trading up.
:dance:

I know there are guys taken after 11 that are allstars, but this is a very sad list at 11.

It should be noted that, right now, Andris Biedrins is the only NBA starter on that list (tho Bonzi Well has been a starter for much of his career).

Hicks
05-12-2008, 04:57 PM
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, no player of any value has ever been drafted at any position in the history of the draft.

Agreed. Furthermore, no Pacer, past or present, was ever as good as anyone said, was never as good of a character as anyone wants to believe, and the Pacers have and always will be a disappointment.

DgR
05-12-2008, 05:00 PM
Langdon- the Alaskan player is not playing in Siberia with Eskimos. He's playing for CSKA Moscow- the new Euroleague Champs and best team in Europe- and was named Finals MVP. He's a hell of a player.

cgg
05-12-2008, 05:45 PM
Of course, a guy who wore #31 for many years as a Pacer was drafted 11th in 1987. Granted, the guy making our draft picks I have far less faith in than the guy who drafted Reggie...


Can't argue to much with that one...

LoneGranger33
05-12-2008, 06:37 PM
Let's not judge Mr. Vazquez until next year when he's in the league...perhaps.

And Biedrins - I wouldn't mind that pick right about now.

Kegboy
05-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Agreed. Furthermore, no Pacer, past or present, was ever as good as anyone said, was never as good of a character as anyone wants to believe, and the Pacers have and always will be a disappointment.

That's simply not true.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1848959.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F1062A381FAC9B745DB3 5A5397277B4DC33E

Hicks
05-12-2008, 09:11 PM
Too bad he had to go.

Shade
05-12-2008, 09:12 PM
Wow! You mean, we could have Jared Jeffries?!?! :yay:





I think I'll go cry now.

Robertmto
05-12-2008, 09:33 PM
Wow! You mean, we could have Jared Jeffries?!?! :yay:





I think I'll go cry now.

:mad:

owl
05-12-2008, 10:04 PM
Agreed. Furthermore, no Pacer, past or present, was ever as good as anyone said, was never as good of a character as anyone wants to believe, and the Pacers have and always will be a disappointment.



The ABA days were pretty good.

Hicks
05-12-2008, 10:13 PM
The ABA days were pretty good.

Didn't Kstat call that a woman's league?

grace
05-12-2008, 10:17 PM
Didn't Kstat call that a woman's league?

If that's true I rescind his vote for best couple.

Gamble1
05-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Langdon- the Alaskan player is not playing in Siberia with Eskimos. He's playing for CSKA Moscow- the new Euroleague Champs and best team in Europe- and was named Finals MVP. He's a hell of a player.

Let me ask you this? Is he a really skinny eskimo guy with amazing handles when no defense is on him. Oh! And can he hit a wide open 16 ft three over another really skinny white guy?

And does he have an amazing slashing ability going against 6'10 210 lb centers. Man alive... that sounds as good as German fudgesickles. ;)

2007-2008 stats.
12.6 ppg 3.3 rbg .9 apg at the early age of 31. Sorry dgr I am just trying to keep with forum standards.

Hicks
05-12-2008, 10:49 PM
The NBA: Where Race Happens.....

Gamble1
05-12-2008, 10:56 PM
It would be interesting to see who was picked at 12-20 for all those drafts in order to get a better idea of what was available.

You mean so we could get further pissed off in the future knowing we had a shot at real talent. Ya I want to know that now!:devil:

Dr. Goldfoot
05-12-2008, 11:06 PM
How the 15 before that.....

Gary Trent, Carlos Rogers, Allan Houston, Robert Horry, Terrell Brandon, Tyrone Hill, Nick Anderson, Will Perdue, Reggie Miller, John Salley, Keith Lee, Kevin Willis, Derek Harper, Lafayette Lever & Frank Johnson.

There are some pretty good players on that list.

Gamble1
05-12-2008, 11:09 PM
The NBA: Where Race Happens.....

So the NBA doesn't have a miniority or a majority and there is no reason for that. Sorry I don't care about race but facts are facts and a euro ball isn't about defense or an NBA 3. Athleticism is questionable and yes alot of people are white. Sorry I had to use small print so nobody would be offended.

I mean why can't I say nonathletic white guys are not translatable to the NBA. IS that a freakin crime to point out the truth. And in the case of Lang he isn't white but he sure isn't good by NBA standards.

Hicks
05-12-2008, 11:46 PM
I just think it looks bad to bring up their race. If I wanted to police it, I would.

SycamoreKen
05-13-2008, 12:10 AM
How the 15 before that.....

Gary Trent, Carlos Rogers, Allan Houston, Robert Horry, Terrell Brandon, Tyrone Hill, Nick Anderson, Will Perdue, Reggie Miller, John Salley, Keith Lee, Kevin Willis, Derek Harper, Lafayette Lever & Frank Johnson.

There are some pretty good players on that list.

4 world champs, 3 multi, a couple more all stars, and a bunch of servicable bigs and points. Oh yes, and that future HOFer. All of which could probably make the current Pacers team. And I mean at their current age, not their prime.:-p

Speed
05-13-2008, 08:16 AM
How the 15 before that.....

Gary Trent, Carlos Rogers, Allan Houston, Robert Horry, Terrell Brandon, Tyrone Hill, Nick Anderson, Will Perdue, Reggie Miller, John Salley, Keith Lee, Kevin Willis, Derek Harper, Lafayette Lever & Frank Johnson.

There are some pretty good players on that list.


Well, "Fat" is a great nickname at least.

Speed
05-13-2008, 08:17 AM
4 world champs, 3 multi, a couple more all stars, and a bunch of servicable bigs and points. Oh yes, and that future HOFer. All of which could probably make the current Pacers team. And I mean at their current age, not their prime.:-p


Nice work!!

Dr. Goldfoot
05-13-2008, 10:31 AM
Now that I have some time....

Reggie- Obvious

Allan Houston- 2 time All-Star, 14th career 3pt's made, 24th career 3pt %

Robert Horry- 237 playoff games, 7 rings

Terrell Brandon- 2 time All-Star, 14th career FT%

Tyrone Hill- 1 time All-Star, 13th all time rebounding percentage

Will Perdue- 4 rings

John Salley- 4 rings

Kevin Willis- 1 time All-Star, 6th career games, 7th career reb, 1 ring

Derek Harper- 18th all time assists, 13th all time steals

Fat Lever- 2 time All-Star, 19th all time steals, 6th all time steals per game

Nick Anderson was a solid player for the expansion Magic averaging 14.5 PPG and shooting .356 from beyond in his 13 year career.

Really the only complete bust out of the group is Keith Lee.

madison
05-13-2008, 06:28 PM
To get back to the original thread, this is interesting information, that the 11th pick has not produced much talent in quite a while. That means Bird won't have to work very hard at screwing up since nothing comes from that position anyway. I was kind of hoping we might actually do something with a lottery-level pick that might make a difference. Oh, well, someone's got to only win 35 games/yr so it might as well be us.

Anthem
05-13-2008, 09:41 PM
To get back to the original thread, this is interesting information, that the 11th pick has not produced much talent in quite a while.
Wait... I thought your position at this time last year was that Larry was evil incarnate for trading the incredibly valuable #11 pick in the 2007 draft?

I can dig up those threads if you want.

Dece
05-13-2008, 09:45 PM
I'd like to go on record saying I'd be happy to trade our current number 11 pick for Acie Law.

I'd probably be in the minority though.

Coop
05-13-2008, 10:08 PM
I'd like to go on record saying I'd be happy to trade our current number 11 pick for Mike Conley.

I'd probably be in the minority though.


Fixed.

Dece
05-13-2008, 11:25 PM
I don't think Conley would be good for us, not with our current coach and philosophy. Specifically, kid can't shoot.

Coop
05-14-2008, 06:07 PM
I don't think Conley would be good for us, not with our current coach and philosophy. Specifically, kid can't shoot.


Tinsley- 38% FG, 28% 3pt
Diener- 37% FG, 31% 3pt

Conley- 43% FG, 33% 3pt

Obviously we were much better off with who we had this year.

Dece
05-14-2008, 07:52 PM
I'm the biggest Jamaal Tinsley fan on the face of the earth, but *I* have a nicer shot than him. Besides, my statement doesn't compare our current guys to Conley, but Acie Law to Conley. Law fits our current system better.

DgR
05-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Let me ask you this? Is he a really skinny eskimo guy with amazing handles when no defense is on him. Oh! And can he hit a wide open 16 ft three over another really skinny white guy?

And does he have an amazing slashing ability going against 6'10 210 lb centers. Man alive... that sounds as good as German fudgesickles. ;)

2007-2008 stats.
12.6 ppg 3.3 rbg .9 apg at the early age of 31. Sorry dgr I am just trying to keep with forum standards.

What are you saying? that accomplishments in Europe count for nothing? Don't you think there's maybe even a little bit the NBA can learn from the Euroleague? If the level there is so inferior- then why are general managers looking for talents over there instead of just in the states?

Hicks
05-14-2008, 08:52 PM
There's talent, but it's a step (at least) down from the NBA.

Anthem
05-14-2008, 10:07 PM
What are you saying? that accomplishments in Europe count for nothing?
What accomplishment? Getting a highlight reel on Youtube?

Mourning
05-15-2008, 02:20 AM
What accomplishment? Getting a highlight reel on Youtube?

nice.... :rolleyes:

Naptown_Seth
05-16-2008, 02:23 PM
The NBA: Where Race Happens.....
White people - proving gravity for over 3000 years*



Keep in mind Gamble that Joker has an entirely different level of "white" in mind, I mean literally the color white. Give it a few months and he'll be defending Muggles instead. ;)






*Offensive? Seems weak to me.

Anthem
05-16-2008, 04:06 PM
nice.... :rolleyes:
Well, in fairness to me, I got my threads confused and thought we were still talking about Goran Dragic.

Wouldn't want to steal votes from Nap for "Most Offensive."