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QuickRelease
05-10-2008, 12:41 PM
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2008/05/10/5527566-sun.html

Which of these guys would you go after if you were trying to solve the PG issues we have by way of trade? I personally think Calderon would be the better fit here in this offense.

Robertmto
05-10-2008, 12:52 PM
Jose is the hands down better player, which is why TJ Ford will be the one that is acquirable

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 12:57 PM
Calderon of course. However they plan on resigning him. Of course they would then have two points that both have said they want to start, so something has to give. Plus it wouldn't be smart to have two points both making $8m per. So I look for them to try and trade Ford.

I don't want Ford. However, I would gladly trade Tinsley for him. In fact that would probably work for both teams.

The only way we could probably get Calderon is via sign and trade. I'd offer them Dun for him.

d_c
05-10-2008, 01:26 PM
I don't want Ford. However, I would gladly trade Tinsley for him. In fact that would probably work for both teams.


How would that work for both teams?

Tinsley has a long term contract and the Raps won't invest that much $ in the PG position. They'd be in the same situation as they are now with Ford, except for the fact that Tinsley isn't as good.

Young
05-10-2008, 02:22 PM
Who is the better target?

In terms of better player, Jose, in terms of more likely to acquire, TJ.

I'm a TJ Ford fan. I always thought he seemed like a good guy who does have that problem with his neck. I admire the way he has came back from it.

Ford is a liability on defense though so he won't help us in that department. As much as I like rooting for TJ he isn't the right player for the Pacers right now due to his lack of defense and injury concerns.

AesopRockOn
05-10-2008, 02:44 PM
I could see them trying to ship TJ to Denver but not to the Pacers.

JayRedd
05-10-2008, 03:24 PM
Neither.

Jose Calderon is about to get at least 4 for $40 from Colangelo and will be Toronto's starting point on opening day and nothing we say, do or offer will change that.

TJ Ford has a spinal disorder.

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 04:13 PM
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2008/05/10/5527566-sun.html

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="431"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="287">Trading Calderon the best option for the Raptors

By FRANK ZICARELLI, TORONTO SUN

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Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell, shouts instructions to guard Jose Calderon during Game 5 in the playoff series against Orlando Magic. (John Raoux/Associated Press)
</td></tr></tbody></table> The question was posed during the regular season and will continue throughout this off-season, in all likelihood for another two months.
T.J. or Jose?


Eventually, the Raptors will find out the two can't co-exist, their well-intended plans to meet with all parties notwithstanding.


Eventually, one will have to be moved.


If you're a Raptors fan, you're hoping the team can parlay the depth at the point position into a serviceable piece, at best a rotation player and at the absolute worst someone who doesn't just spot up on the perimeter and heave jumpers.


What the Raptors will discover, likely as soon as July 1 when teams are in a position to offer Calderon, a restricted free agent, a contract, is that Ford is an unmoveable part.
Hindsight is a wonderful tool and upon reflection it is so obvious that the Raptors completely mishandled Ford.
For this, the entire organization is at fault.


There is nothing wrong with Ford that can't be fixed, though.
The Raptors knew Ford's medical history when they traded for him, so forget those arguments of Ford being one fall away from ending his career.


They knew how much he wanted the ball in his hands.
What the Raptors must do is harness Ford, surround him with veterans who understand the game and who have experienced the grind of the post-season.


In the past two springs, Calderon was on the floor when the Raptors needed a basket.


On each sequence, Calderon and Chris Bosh were the primary options. In each case, they came up short, last year's elimination in Game 6 to New Jersey and this year's exit against Orlando, when the Calderon-Bosh tandem failed to execute a late-game play in Game 2.


The one thing Ford does that Calderon can't is create his own shot.


For those who want to rip Ford for getting caught up in one-on-one battles, look to Thursday's Game 3 in the West semi-final when Chris Paul tried to exchange baskets with Tony Parker.


Another quality Ford possesses that Calderon doesn't is an assassin's approach.


You want attitude and an edge and Ford has them.
This is by no means a dump Calderon campaign, but the fact remains that Calderon is more coveted around the NBA than Ford.


Calderon is a piece the Raptors must explore in trade scenarios to fill the many holes exposed this past season.
Calderon might even fetch that 20-point-a-night player to complement Bosh.


One thing is certain -- Ford won't.
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Dun would work great for the Raptors.

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 04:39 PM
How would that work for both teams?

Tinsley has a long term contract and the Raps won't invest that much $ in the PG position. They'd be in the same situation as they are now with Ford, except for the fact that Tinsley isn't as good.

The Raptors GM has stated they will match any offer for Calderon, so obviously they plan on tying that much money up in the point guard position. Rumor is they will want to resign Calderon and trade Ford. However, as the article above points out Ford is going to be hard to impossible to trade.

They could keep both point guards, but with both now saying they want to start, the Raptors will have to do something or risk chemistry issues.

The Pacers wouldn't do a Dun for Ford, and the Raptors wouldn't do a Calderon for Tinsley trade. So I came up with Dun for Calderon, or even better Tinsley for Ford. I'd give the Raptors their choice.

d_c
05-10-2008, 04:46 PM
The Pacers wouldn't do a Dun for Ford, and the Raptors wouldn't do a Calderon for Tinsley trade. So I came up with Dun for Calderon, or even better Tinsley for Ford. I'd give the Raptors their choice.

C'mon. Bryan Colangelo runs the Raptors and not the Pacers. How is Tinsley an upgrade in any way to the Raptors? How is Calderon/Tinsley better than Calderon/Ford?

They want to avoid chemistry problems so the solution to this is to trade for Mr. Chemistry Jamal Tinsley? Ford is hardly untradeable to the point where their only option is Jamal Tinsley, LOL.

maragin
05-10-2008, 05:14 PM
If we acquired Calderon, I might lose any darksider cred.

Doddage
05-10-2008, 05:22 PM
It's simple... if the Raptors want to win now, they trade Calderon since they'll get a very nice return for him. If they can afford to wait a little longer, they trade Ford. It's obviously a difficult decision... with that said, if I were the Raps, I'd stick with Jose since he's more reliable.

As for the Pacers, I'd love to have any of them. Realistically, Ford would be available, but since Dun is probably the only thing that they'd be interested in, I don't think we could work out a deal.

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 05:26 PM
[quote=d_c;716200]C'mon. Bryan Colangelo runs the Raptors and not the Pacers.

Yes I know.

How is Tinsley an upgrade in any way to the Raptors?

Why you asking me? I didn't say he was.

How is Calderon/Tinsley better than Calderon/Ford?

Why you asking me? I didn't say they were.

They want to avoid chemistry problems so the solution to this is to trade for Mr. Chemistry Jamal Tinsley?

There's chemistry and then there's chemistry. Both Ford and Calderon no doubt have friends on the team that think they should start. That chemistry could split the team if they keep both. Tinsley would be brought in as a backup and wouldn't be splitting the team.


Ford is hardly untradeable to the point where their only option is Jamal Tinsley.

Ford makes $8m a year. His health is such that they could lose him tomorrow. Name a guard they could possibly replace Ford with that would be better than Tinsley?

Really it doesn't matter. I think Tinsley would be an option Bryan would look at and obviously you don't. End of discussion.

Hoop
05-10-2008, 05:54 PM
I like Calderon better, but looks like we have no shot at him getting him. I think TJ Ford is one more injury from having to retire, regardless what the article says.

d_c
05-10-2008, 06:30 PM
Ford makes $8m a year. His health is such that they could lose him tomorrow. Name a guard they could possibly replace Ford with that would be better than Tinsley?

Really it doesn't matter. I think Tinsley would be an option Bryan would look at and obviously you don't. End of discussion.

If Ford is forced to retire at any time due to medical reasons, the remainder of his contract is covered by insurance and his salary automatically comes off the cap. That scenario beats having Jamal Tinsley and the remainder of his contract. In that scenario, they'd rather have a cheap backup to Calderon as opposed to Tinsley's remaining 3 years.

For a variety of reasons, Jamal Tinsley isn't an option very many teams are looking at, regardless of their current PG situation.

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 08:22 PM
If Ford is forced to retire at any time due to medical reasons, the remainder of his contract is covered by insurance and his salary automatically comes off the cap.

There's nothing automatic about it.. If Ford is forced to retire for medical reasons, a league-appointed physician has to confirm that he is medically unfit to continue playing. Then there is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for salary cap relief.

Evan_The_Dude
05-10-2008, 09:20 PM
Can either one play defense? I thought that was our #1 issue at the point guard position. If we're not going after defense at that position then we might as well just name Diener our starting point guard because offensively he's pretty damn good.

Will Galen
05-10-2008, 09:31 PM
Can either one play defense? I thought that was our #1 issue at the point guard position. If we're not going after defense at that position then we might as well just name Diener our starting point guard because offensively he's pretty damn good.

So is Calderon! Check out the shooting percentages and you'll see why Toronto will most likely keep Calderon. Stats from NBA.com.


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="210"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"> <table class="playerInfoGridPlayerInfoBorders" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="110" valign="top"> http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/travis_diener.jpg </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Travis Diener
Indiana Pacers
Position: G
Height: 6-1 Weight: 175
College: Marquette
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis_diener/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/pacers/stats/)
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</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="gSGSectionTitleStatsPlayerGrid" align="center" valign="top"> 2007-08 Statistics</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">PPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 6.9</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">RPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 1.7 </td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">APG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 3.8</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">SPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.5</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">BPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">FG%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.370</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">FT%</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.901</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">3P%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.318</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">MPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 20.5</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- Copyright IBM Corporation, 2001-2005 --><script language="JavaScript1.1">var SA_ID="nbapix;nba";</script> <script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/JavaScript" src="http://stats.surfaid.ihost.com/sacdcv3_nbapix_nba.js"></script> <noscript>http://www.pacersdigest.com//stats.surfaid.ihost.com/crc/images/uc.GIF?3.00&nbapix&nba&noscript</noscript>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="210"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"> <table class="playerInfoGridPlayerInfoBorders" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="110" valign="top"> http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/jose_calderon.jpg </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Jose Calderon
Toronto Raptors
Position: G
Height: 6-3 Weight: 210
From: Spain
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jose_calderon/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/raptors/stats/)
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</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="gSGSectionTitleStatsPlayerGrid" align="center" valign="top"> 2007-08 Statistics</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">PPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 11.2</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">RPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 2.9 </td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">APG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 8.3</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">SPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 1.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">BPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">FG%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.519</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">FT%</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.908</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">3P%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.429</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">MPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 30.3</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- Copyright IBM Corporation, 2001-2005 --><script language="JavaScript1.1">var SA_ID="nbapix;nba";</script> <script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/JavaScript" src="http://stats.surfaid.ihost.com/sacdcv3_nbapix_nba.js"></script> <noscript>http://www.pacersdigest.com//stats.surfaid.ihost.com/crc/images/uc.GIF?3.00&nbapix&nba&noscript</noscript>

d_c
05-10-2008, 09:56 PM
There's nothing automatic about it.. If Ford is forced to retire for medical reasons, a league-appointed physician has to confirm that he is medically unfit to continue playing. Then there is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for salary cap relief.

The extra year is something I didn't know about, but if a guy has to stop playing because continuing to do so might impair his ability to walk, the league appointed physician is going to agree with the team.

N8R
05-10-2008, 10:08 PM
They have already said they are keeping Colderon so I dont even know people are suggesting any kind of trade. I do think Jjose's number will fall off when he is the full time starting PG for the Raptors though. He is a great back up PG and a great starter but his numbers dip when he plays all those minutes, I should know he cost me fantasy games when Ford went down.

Evan_The_Dude
05-10-2008, 11:04 PM
So is Calderon! Check out the shooting percentages and you'll see why Toronto will most likely keep Calderon. Stats from NBA.com.


<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="210"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"> <table class="playerInfoGridPlayerInfoBorders" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="110" valign="top"> http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/travis_diener.jpg </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Travis Diener
Indiana Pacers
Position: G
Height: 6-1 Weight: 175
College: Marquette
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis_diener/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/pacers/stats/)
</td> </tr> <tr><td>
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="gSGSectionTitleStatsPlayerGrid" align="center" valign="top"> 2007-08 Statistics</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">PPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 6.9</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">RPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 1.7 </td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">APG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 3.8</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">SPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.5</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">BPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">FG%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.370</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">FT%</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.901</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">3P%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.318</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">MPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 20.5</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- Copyright IBM Corporation, 2001-2005 --><script language="JavaScript1.1">var SA_ID="nbapix;nba";</script> <script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/JavaScript" src="http://stats.surfaid.ihost.com/sacdcv3_nbapix_nba.js"></script> <noscript>http://www.pacersdigest.com//stats.surfaid.ihost.com/crc/images/uc.GIF?3.00&nbapix&nba&noscript</noscript>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="210"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top"> <table class="playerInfoGridPlayerInfoBorders" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td height="110" valign="top"> http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/jose_calderon.jpg </td> <td align="left" valign="top"> Jose Calderon
Toronto Raptors
Position: G
Height: 6-3 Weight: 210
From: Spain
Player file (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jose_calderon/) | Team stats (http://www.nba.com/raptors/stats/)
</td> </tr> <tr><td>
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="gSGSectionTitleStatsPlayerGrid" align="center" valign="top"> 2007-08 Statistics</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">PPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 11.2</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">RPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 2.9 </td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">APG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 8.3</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">SPG</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 1.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">BPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.1</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">FG%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.519</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">FT%</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 0.908</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowOdd">3P%</td><td class="gSGRowOdd"> 0.429</td></tr> <tr align="center"><td class="gSGRowEven">MPG</td><td class="gSGRowEven"> 30.3</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- Copyright IBM Corporation, 2001-2005 --><script language="JavaScript1.1">var SA_ID="nbapix;nba";</script> <script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/JavaScript" src="http://stats.surfaid.ihost.com/sacdcv3_nbapix_nba.js"></script> <noscript>http://www.pacersdigest.com//stats.surfaid.ihost.com/crc/images/uc.GIF?3.00&nbapix&nba&noscript</noscript>

Other than shooting percentages (which I'm sure will get better for Diener), I'd just say give Diener 10 more minutes and watch the numbers pretty much break even. I'll take the cheaper Diener at this point over bringing in Calderon (who we won't get anyway). If we're going to get a point guard, we need one that can 'D' it up.

dynamis22
05-10-2008, 11:52 PM
Other than shooting percentages (which I'm sure will get better for Diener), I'd just say give Diener 10 more minutes and watch the numbers pretty much break even. I'll take the cheaper Diener at this point over bringing in Calderon (who we won't get anyway). If we're going to get a point guard, we need one that can 'D' it up.

You are grossly overating Diener's skill level. Not to metion he is about 30 pounds lighter and 2 inches shorter. Calderon would vastly improve the pacers, unfortunately there is no chance Colangelo lets him leave. Sam Mitchell, if given his choice, would probably quicky send him packing.

croz24
05-11-2008, 12:20 AM
neither is that great, but i'd take both over dj augustin

Robertmto
05-11-2008, 01:43 AM
Other than shooting percentages (which I'm sure will get better for Diener), I'd just say give Diener 10 more minutes and watch the numbers pretty much break even. I'll take the cheaper Diener at this point over bringing in Calderon (who we won't get anyway). If we're going to get a point guard, we need one that can 'D' it up.

I lol'd.

U seem to forget Calderon is the better defender, and also is a MUCH better point guard when it comes to finding open players.

CableKC
05-11-2008, 02:15 AM
I can't see how the Raptors can afford to have 2 Starting quality PGs on their roster that earn that much $$$. Even if they relegate Ford to the 1st PG off the bench and switch Calderon to the SG spot....that would be a mighty expensive Guard rotation.

Between the 2 PGs, I would clearly prefer Calderon....but the likely PG that would be moved would be Ford....not that I would want him....unless they took Tinsley off our hands...which is unlikely.

rexnom
05-11-2008, 05:00 AM
Hmm...is Ford a buy low kind of guy right now? Could we get him for pocketchange since essentially Toronto needs to get rid of him?

D-BONE
05-11-2008, 07:41 AM
Neither. Calderon won't likely be on the block. I like Ford buh his spine makes me nervous. Kyle Lowry, on the other hand, would be just fine.

Evan_The_Dude
05-11-2008, 11:03 AM
You are grossly overating Diener's skill level. Not to metion he is about 30 pounds lighter and 2 inches shorter. Calderon would vastly improve the pacers, unfortunately there is no chance Colangelo lets him leave. Sam Mitchell, if given his choice, would probably quicky send him packing.


I lol'd.

U seem to forget Calderon is the better defender, and also is a MUCH better point guard when it comes to finding open players.


I'm not overrating his skill level, I think Diener is easily capable of 11 points and 8 assists if he consistently got 30 minutes a game. Though he might never shoot 51% from the field, I think he stands a chance to shoot 40% beyond the arc at least once in his career.

Stats were brought up by Will, so I responded to stats. Nobody answered the question I asked earlier in the thread about Calderon or Ford's ability to play defense. Calderon is a better overall player and I'm not dumb enough to believe that Diener truely is just as good. My point is that if we're not going to go after our true need -- a point guard that can D it up, then we might as well keep Diener and let him run the offense. Calderon is good, but keep in mind that we already have the ability to light up the scoreboard. We just don't have the ability to stop the other team from doing the same thing, and unfortunately that problem starts at the point guard position.

idioteque
05-11-2008, 12:17 PM
I like T.J. Ford a lot as a player but I would never trade for him because of his spine. Unfortunately due to his disorder he probably won't ever play another year in the league where he isn't injured at least a third of the season and he'll probably have to retire early. Shame because he is a good player and seems like a nice guy.

Caledron, on the other hand, will not be traded period.

Oneal07
05-11-2008, 04:30 PM
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2008/05/10/5527566-sun.html

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="431"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" width="287">Trading Calderon the best option for the Raptors

By FRANK ZICARELLI, TORONTO SUN

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Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell, shouts instructions to guard Jose Calderon during Game 5 in the playoff series against Orlando Magic. (John Raoux/Associated Press)
</td></tr></tbody></table> The question was posed during the regular season and will continue throughout this off-season, in all likelihood for another two months.
T.J. or Jose?


Eventually, the Raptors will find out the two can't co-exist, their well-intended plans to meet with all parties notwithstanding.


Eventually, one will have to be moved.


If you're a Raptors fan, you're hoping the team can parlay the depth at the point position into a serviceable piece, at best a rotation player and at the absolute worst someone who doesn't just spot up on the perimeter and heave jumpers.


What the Raptors will discover, likely as soon as July 1 when teams are in a position to offer Calderon, a restricted free agent, a contract, is that Ford is an unmoveable part.
Hindsight is a wonderful tool and upon reflection it is so obvious that the Raptors completely mishandled Ford.
For this, the entire organization is at fault.


There is nothing wrong with Ford that can't be fixed, though.
The Raptors knew Ford's medical history when they traded for him, so forget those arguments of Ford being one fall away from ending his career.


They knew how much he wanted the ball in his hands.
What the Raptors must do is harness Ford, surround him with veterans who understand the game and who have experienced the grind of the post-season.


In the past two springs, Calderon was on the floor when the Raptors needed a basket.


On each sequence, Calderon and Chris Bosh were the primary options. In each case, they came up short, last year's elimination in Game 6 to New Jersey and this year's exit against Orlando, when the Calderon-Bosh tandem failed to execute a late-game play in Game 2.


The one thing Ford does that Calderon can't is create his own shot.


For those who want to rip Ford for getting caught up in one-on-one battles, look to Thursday's Game 3 in the West semi-final when Chris Paul tried to exchange baskets with Tony Parker.


Another quality Ford possesses that Calderon doesn't is an assassin's approach.


You want attitude and an edge and Ford has them.
This is by no means a dump Calderon campaign, but the fact remains that Calderon is more coveted around the NBA than Ford.


Calderon is a piece the Raptors must explore in trade scenarios to fill the many holes exposed this past season.
Calderon might even fetch that 20-point-a-night player to complement Bosh.


One thing is certain -- Ford won't.
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Dun would work great for the Raptors.

LOL, this guy is a joke. . .Jose Goes 20 games with 2 turnover and hits a ton of open shots. And can take his defender off the dribble. Ford, runs around the court hogging the ball trying to win the game by himself and cries when Jose is getting all the play in the 4th quarter.

That game when Jose tried to get the ball in to Bosh vs New Jersey was his only turnover for that game

Why is he comparing Cp3 to Ford. Chris Paul has the real skill to go back and forth, TJ ford just forces up shots and turns the ball over, when he should be passing it to Chris Bosh. Calderon plays with a lot of Passion. You don't trade Jose

I can recall a ton of times when TJ was on the court and the Raptors had a double digit lead, and saw it diminish when Ford was on the court.

I was also pissed that they traded Villanueva for Ford. . mainly because he rebounded, They signed up Bargnani, but he doesn't like to be under the basket. He likes to shoot 3's.

Also, Calderon did state that he'd take less money to start else where, and there's already a rivalry between Pacers and Raptors (Fan Rivalry). So make it happen. . .Bring Calderon to Indiana

Oneal07
05-11-2008, 04:38 PM
I like T.J. Ford a lot as a player but I would never trade for him because of his spine. Unfortunately due to his disorder he probably won't ever play another year in the league where he isn't injured at least a third of the season and he'll probably have to retire early. Shame because he is a good player and seems like a nice guy.

Caledron, on the other hand, will not be traded period.

The only reason Ford missed all those games is because Al Horford Whacked him hard. I've seen Ford fall hard many times and got right back up. I don't think his injury is serious like people making it out to be . . I still rather have Jose anyways just because he runs the offense.