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    Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

    I found this interesting enough to post.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...rlisle?mode=PF


    By Michael Vega, Globe Staff | May 9, 2008

    Although the Dallas Mavericks have yet to officially announce the hiring of a new head coach, Cavaliers coach Mike Brown yesterday endorsed the candidacy of Rick Carlisle, for whom Brown served for two seasons (2003-05) as associate head coach of the Indiana Pacers.

    "I knew he'd get a chance to come back," Brown said of Carlisle, who is the leading candidate to succeed the fired Avery Johnson in Dallas. "He's a very good coach and his track record speaks for itself."

    Brown said Carlisle was instrumental in helping steer the injury-riddled and suspension-ravaged Pacers to the 2005 playoffs following a melee involving fans during a game against the Pistons in Auburn Hills, Mich.

    "He was big that year," Brown said of Carlisle. "We ended up making it to the playoffs and beating Boston in the first round. He was the rock, the stabilizing rock, that kept us on track as a team to understand that no matter who is in uniform for us, our job is to win. That's what we get paid for, and when we don't win, everybody's miserable and everybody suffers."

    Carlisle's message? "Stay steady, stay even-keeled, and let's go win games and win games the right way," Brown said. "You have to give a lot of credit to him."

    When the Pacers had to scour the waiver wire to fill out their depleted roster, even Brown acknowledged he had his doubts about whether the team would win another game. When the Pacers convened for that first practice after the NBA meted out suspensions and fines, Brown said he had trouble recognizing the cast.

    "I'll tell you what, at first I thought it was going to be difficult, but after Rick's speech, it was like him doing the Jedi mind trick," Brown said during yesterday morning's shootaround at TD Banknorth Garden. "I was like, 'Yeah, we're going to win with, uh, what's your name again? Britton Johnsen? Yeah, we're going to win with you, Britton Johnsen, and what's your name again?' "

    So Carlisle's power of persuasion even worked on him? "I was tricked," Brown said with a laugh. "I was ready to go." Then, peering into a television camera, Brown added, "And that's no knock on you, Britton Johnsen. You did a good job for us."


    Wallace hit with dizziness

    The Cavaliers were dealt a blow early in last night's 89-73 loss when Ben Wallace left with 8:20 remaining in the first quarter because of dizziness he said was caused by springtime allergies, and did not return. "You know it's a tough place for allergies, but no one has warned me," Wallace said. "I got lightheaded and my head started spinning."

    . . . Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who led the Cavaliers with 22 points in Game 1, hit his first six shots of Game 2. The 7-foot-3-inch center went 5 for 5 from the field in the first quarter to account for 10 of Cleveland's first 19 points, including the first 8. He finished with 19 points on 9-of-12 shooting

    . . . LeBron James didn't quite live up to his vow to rebound from his 2-for-18 shooting performance in Game 1. He opened last night by hitting 3 of 6 shots, only to miss his next seven en route to a 3-for-13 first half, making him 5 for 31 in the first six quarters of the series. He wound up making 3 of 11 attempts in the second half (0 for 4 from the 3-point arc) to finish with 21 points on 6-for-24 shooting overall

    . . . The Cavaliers dropped to 5-2 over the last two seasons in playoff games that followed a loss . . . One reason the Cavaliers were unable to retain a 12-point first-quarter lead (21-9) was the lack of production from their bench, especially in the second quarter when Boston's bench outscored (20-1) and outrebounded (11-4) the Cavaliers' reserves

    . . . Brown said tape study of Game 1 didn't reveal any great secret of how the Cavaliers managed to hold Ray Allen scoreless, the first time he's been held without a point in a game since Feb. 26, 1997. "Ray's a great player," Brown said. "It's going to be tough for him to go 0 for 4 again the rest of the playoffs. We felt like we needed to make sure that we stayed as close to him as possible and not give him any airspace." After going 0 for 3 in the first half last night, Allen broke out in the second half, scoring all 16 of his points (on 4-for-7 shooting)

    . . . After he complained about hard fouls in the first round against the Wizards, James was branded "a crybaby" by Wizards center Brendan Haywood. Papa John's attempted to seize upon that emotion in Game 6 when the pizza chain made up T-shirts with James's number and the word "Crybaby" underneath, distributing them to Wizards fans before the game. Little good it did Washington, though, as the Cavaliers closed out the series. Yesterday, Papa John's issued an apology to the city of Cleveland and the Cavaliers and offered Cleveland residents the opportunity to purchase a large, one-topping pizza for 23 cents, and pledged to donate $10,000 to the Cavaliers Youth Fund.
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    Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

    Originally posted by Purveyor of Awesome
    "I'll tell you what, at first I thought it was going to be difficult, but after Rick's speech, it was like him doing the Jedi mind trick," Brown said during yesterday morning's shootaround at TD Banknorth Garden. "I was like, 'Yeah, we're going to win with, uh, what's your name again? Britton Johnsen? Yeah, we're going to win with you, Britton Johnsen, and what's your name again?'"
    That's the coolest thing I've heard in a while.
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      Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

      you never know what you got you lose it

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        Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

        Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
        That's the coolest thing I've heard in a while.
        Mike Brown just pwned you for Funniest Poster.

        I remember being struck by just how calm Rick was after the brawl. Larry Brown was flipping out, basically everyone was, and then there was Rick treating it like "it's unfortunate, we'll regroup and we've got a game tomorrow" (paraphrase) and you're sitting there still trying to digest the magnitude of what you just saw.

        Remember Tom Hanks reactions in SPR, total chaos and he's like "we gotta get off this beach, you go here, you go there..."? I think that would be Rick. Maybe that's what players end up not liking about him, that he's not caught up in things even when they are going good. Guys looking for praise probably don't get much more reaction than when things are going sour.

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          Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

          I'm pretty sure Rick said something to the extent that he feared for his life right after the brawl. I remember him being interviewed outside of our locker room right after the brawl and I wouldn't have called him calm or collected, disheveled and weary would have been a better descriptor for me. Thats no knock on Rick, I'd imagine anyone would have looked the same way.


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          • #6
            Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

            In other words, Rick Carlisle was the balls.
            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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              Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

              Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
              PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
                Someone needs to post that picture on a Mavs board if they hire Rick.

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                  Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                  I'd say something here, but it would just expose me a Rick fan. Great find.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                    Haha, nice pic MR I saved it and touched up the color on the face just a little bit. How's this?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                      Ben Wallace needs a Zyrtec:

                      Down Goes Wallace!

                      One!

                      Two!

                      Three!

                      You're out!

                      Pollen is our new Champ!

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                        Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                        Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                        Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
                        MR, to complete the picture...you should paste Cuban's face onto Vince McMahon's body.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          MR, to complete the picture...you should paste Cuban's face onto Vince McMahon's body.
                          yes!

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                            Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock

                            I miss Rick.

                            Can we say now, in earnest, that what Rick did following the suspensions was perhaps the most underrated coaching job of all time?

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                              Re: Mike Brown: Carlisle was the rock



                              Not great but a quick one..

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