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Unclebuck
05-09-2008, 11:23 AM
I found this interesting enough to post.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/05/09/brown_backing_carlisle?mode=PF


By Michael Vega, Globe Staff | May 9, 2008

Although the Dallas Mavericks have yet to officially announce the hiring of a new head coach, Cavaliers coach Mike Brown yesterday endorsed the candidacy of Rick Carlisle, for whom Brown served for two seasons (2003-05) as associate head coach of the Indiana Pacers.

"I knew he'd get a chance to come back," Brown said of Carlisle, who is the leading candidate to succeed the fired Avery Johnson in Dallas. "He's a very good coach and his track record speaks for itself."

Brown said Carlisle was instrumental in helping steer the injury-riddled and suspension-ravaged Pacers to the 2005 playoffs following a melee involving fans during a game against the Pistons in Auburn Hills, Mich.

"He was big that year," Brown said of Carlisle. "We ended up making it to the playoffs and beating Boston in the first round. He was the rock, the stabilizing rock, that kept us on track as a team to understand that no matter who is in uniform for us, our job is to win. That's what we get paid for, and when we don't win, everybody's miserable and everybody suffers."

Carlisle's message? "Stay steady, stay even-keeled, and let's go win games and win games the right way," Brown said. "You have to give a lot of credit to him."

When the Pacers had to scour the waiver wire to fill out their depleted roster, even Brown acknowledged he had his doubts about whether the team would win another game. When the Pacers convened for that first practice after the NBA meted out suspensions and fines, Brown said he had trouble recognizing the cast.

"I'll tell you what, at first I thought it was going to be difficult, but after Rick's speech, it was like him doing the Jedi mind trick," Brown said during yesterday morning's shootaround at TD Banknorth Garden. "I was like, 'Yeah, we're going to win with, uh, what's your name again? Britton Johnsen? Yeah, we're going to win with you, Britton Johnsen, and what's your name again?' "

So Carlisle's power of persuasion even worked on him? "I was tricked," Brown said with a laugh. "I was ready to go." Then, peering into a television camera, Brown added, "And that's no knock on you, Britton Johnsen. You did a good job for us."


Wallace hit with dizziness

The Cavaliers were dealt a blow early in last night's 89-73 loss when Ben Wallace left with 8:20 remaining in the first quarter because of dizziness he said was caused by springtime allergies, and did not return. "You know it's a tough place for allergies, but no one has warned me," Wallace said. "I got lightheaded and my head started spinning."

. . . Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who led the Cavaliers with 22 points in Game 1, hit his first six shots of Game 2. The 7-foot-3-inch center went 5 for 5 from the field in the first quarter to account for 10 of Cleveland's first 19 points, including the first 8. He finished with 19 points on 9-of-12 shooting

. . . LeBron James didn't quite live up to his vow to rebound from his 2-for-18 shooting performance in Game 1. He opened last night by hitting 3 of 6 shots, only to miss his next seven en route to a 3-for-13 first half, making him 5 for 31 in the first six quarters of the series. He wound up making 3 of 11 attempts in the second half (0 for 4 from the 3-point arc) to finish with 21 points on 6-for-24 shooting overall

. . . The Cavaliers dropped to 5-2 over the last two seasons in playoff games that followed a loss . . . One reason the Cavaliers were unable to retain a 12-point first-quarter lead (21-9) was the lack of production from their bench, especially in the second quarter when Boston's bench outscored (20-1) and outrebounded (11-4) the Cavaliers' reserves

. . . Brown said tape study of Game 1 didn't reveal any great secret of how the Cavaliers managed to hold Ray Allen scoreless, the first time he's been held without a point in a game since Feb. 26, 1997. "Ray's a great player," Brown said. "It's going to be tough for him to go 0 for 4 again the rest of the playoffs. We felt like we needed to make sure that we stayed as close to him as possible and not give him any airspace." After going 0 for 3 in the first half last night, Allen broke out in the second half, scoring all 16 of his points (on 4-for-7 shooting)

. . . After he complained about hard fouls in the first round against the Wizards, James was branded "a crybaby" by Wizards center Brendan Haywood. Papa John's attempted to seize upon that emotion in Game 6 when the pizza chain made up T-shirts with James's number and the word "Crybaby" underneath, distributing them to Wizards fans before the game. Little good it did Washington, though, as the Cavaliers closed out the series. Yesterday, Papa John's issued an apology to the city of Cleveland and the Cavaliers and offered Cleveland residents the opportunity to purchase a large, one-topping pizza for 23 cents, and pledged to donate $10,000 to the Cavaliers Youth Fund.

JayRedd
05-09-2008, 11:49 AM
"I'll tell you what, at first I thought it was going to be difficult, but after Rick's speech, it was like him doing the Jedi mind trick," Brown said during yesterday morning's shootaround at TD Banknorth Garden. "I was like, 'Yeah, we're going to win with, uh, what's your name again? Britton Johnsen? Yeah, we're going to win with you, Britton Johnsen, and what's your name again?'"

That's the coolest thing I've heard in a while.

Major Cold
05-09-2008, 11:52 AM
you never know what you got you lose it

Naptown_Seth
05-09-2008, 11:56 AM
That's the coolest thing I've heard in a while.
Mike Brown just pwned you for Funniest Poster. :-p

I remember being struck by just how calm Rick was after the brawl. Larry Brown was flipping out, basically everyone was, and then there was Rick treating it like "it's unfortunate, we'll regroup and we've got a game tomorrow" (paraphrase) and you're sitting there still trying to digest the magnitude of what you just saw.

Remember Tom Hanks reactions in SPR, total chaos and he's like "we gotta get off this beach, you go here, you go there..."? I think that would be Rick. Maybe that's what players end up not liking about him, that he's not caught up in things even when they are going good. Guys looking for praise probably don't get much more reaction than when things are going sour.

Trader Joe
05-09-2008, 12:04 PM
I'm pretty sure Rick said something to the extent that he feared for his life right after the brawl. I remember him being interviewed outside of our locker room right after the brawl and I wouldn't have called him calm or collected, disheveled and weary would have been a better descriptor for me. Thats no knock on Rick, I'd imagine anyone would have looked the same way.

AesopRockOn
05-09-2008, 12:14 PM
In other words, Rick Carlisle was the balls.

MagicRat
05-09-2008, 12:30 PM
Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/rockcarlisle.jpg

grace
05-09-2008, 12:46 PM
Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/rockcarlisle.jpg

Someone needs to post that picture on a Mavs board if they hire Rick.

maragin
05-09-2008, 01:13 PM
I'd say something here, but it would just expose me a Rick fan. Great find.

D23
05-09-2008, 02:10 PM
Haha, nice pic MR :D I saved it and touched up the color on the face just a little bit. How's this?

http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v257/34/95/6809504/n6809504_44232861_6249.jpg

MyFavMartin
05-09-2008, 03:04 PM
Ben Wallace needs a Zyrtec:

Down Goes Wallace!

One!

Two!

Three!

You're out!

Pollen is our new Champ!

CableKC
05-09-2008, 05:00 PM
Can you smell what The Rick's cooking?.....
http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/rockcarlisle.jpg
MR, to complete the picture...you should paste Cuban's face onto Vince McMahon's body.

Hicks
05-09-2008, 05:19 PM
MR, to complete the picture...you should paste Cuban's face onto Vince McMahon's body.

:laugh: yes!

rexnom
05-09-2008, 06:35 PM
I miss Rick.

Can we say now, in earnest, that what Rick did following the suspensions was perhaps the most underrated coaching job of all time?

kbunch
05-09-2008, 06:50 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/renegade812x/rickmark.jpg

Not great but a quick one..

Oneal07
05-09-2008, 06:52 PM
They will still lose to Detroit lol!!! Dirk better get those post moves ready.

I Wonder if Ron Artest will want to hit up Dallas now

MyFavMartin
05-09-2008, 07:11 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/renegade812x/rickmark.jpg

Not great but a quick one..


I think that's Jesus in the front row.

Ownagedood
05-09-2008, 07:44 PM
I want Carlisle back.. :( I always liked him.. this article just shows me even more why i should have loved the guy..

MagicRat
05-09-2008, 07:52 PM
MR, to complete the picture...you should paste Cuban's face onto Vince McMahon's body.

http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/rockcarlisleandcuban.jpg

Los Angeles
05-09-2008, 07:55 PM
:lol2:

Kegboy
05-09-2008, 08:47 PM
I didn't knew Rick was so ripped. If he'd dressed like that for games, Grace never would have given up her tickets.

Mourning
05-09-2008, 09:11 PM
Holy crap! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

PacerPete
05-09-2008, 09:51 PM
http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/rockcarlisleandcuban.jpg

Oooooh that is just TOO DAMNED FUNNY !!!



AND, if we ever trade Dun, you've got to send along the Dun on a camel traipsing through the galaxy.

grace
05-09-2008, 10:30 PM
Oooooh that is just TOO DAMNED FUNNY !!!



AND, if we ever trade Dun, you've got to send along the Dun on a camel traipsing through the galaxy.

As long as I'm not traded along with him.

JayRedd
05-09-2008, 11:55 PM
Looks like Fidel has given up on the Revolution. Viva Las Capitalistas.

Naptown_Seth
05-12-2008, 12:16 PM
Rick is taking international scouting to a new level. Next stop is a Haitian PF and a Dominican SS turned PG.

Eindar
05-13-2008, 12:36 AM
That's the problem with Rick, though, isn't it? He's great at convincing mediocre players that they're good, but not great at convincing good players that they're great. I'll be convinced if he manages to get Dirk and the rest of the Mavs fired up to the point that they actually show some heart during the playoffs.

Naptown_Seth
05-13-2008, 10:53 AM
Ron Artest? Or is AS/DPOY not great enough? ;)

Didn't get Ben or Billups or Rip to play at a high level? In fact what great player failed with Rick but soared with another coach?

Eindar
05-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Ron Artest? Or is AS/DPOY not great enough? ;)

Didn't get Ben or Billups or Rip to play at a high level? In fact what great player failed with Rick but soared with another coach?

Ben, Billups, and Rip won a title with their next coach, not Rick. As far as Artest, he had AS/DPOY talent to begin with. Getting a guy to meet expectations pretty much proves my point, which is that mediocre players will overachieve for him, but he doesn't seem to get that same sort of performance out of his top talent. What I'm saying is that if he can make Britton Johnsen a decent backup in this league, he should have had Artest playing like Kobe :)

ABADays
05-15-2008, 07:30 PM
I miss Rick.

Can we say now, in earnest, that what Rick did following the suspensions was perhaps the most underrated coaching job of all time?

Well . . . not in the minds of anyone who knows anything about basketball.

Kemo
05-15-2008, 08:51 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/renegade812x/rickmark.jpg

Not great but a quick one..

LMAO @ Cuban looking a bit like Eric Bischoff

Naptown_Seth
05-16-2008, 02:40 PM
Ben, Billups, and Rip won a title with their next coach, not Rick.
50 wins, ECF = failure
54 wins, title = brilliant coaching

Boy, tough scale. What's less than 40 wins, jail time?


As far as Artest, he had AS/DPOY talent to begin with. Getting a guy to meet expectations pretty much proves my point, which is that mediocre players will overachieve for him, but he doesn't seem to get that same sort of performance out of his top talent.
AS/DPOY talent isn't a mediocre player. You actually just reinforced my point which is that a potentially great player was comfortable with derailing his own career till Rick showed up in his life.

Rip, Billups and Ben did NOT HAVE SHEED. No Sheed, 50+ wins and ECF. This is an example of Rick not getting enough from his top talent?

JO's been hurt, so basically we've covered all the top guys. Well there is Stackhouse who had one of his best seasons playing for Rick as well.

I still don't see that superstar or AS talent failing to play at that level for Rick. Did Rip, CB and Ben see their numbers jump or their win totals jump with Brown?


This is 100% identical to the "he doesn't play youth" when in fact he's played youth/rookies in every season other than Prince, and has also typically reduced the minutes his top guys see in a season.

Some of this has been moot due to injuries and suspensions, but that doesn't change the fact that youth/rooks played with him as coach. Maybe he didn't have the chance to not play them but you can't show he didn't until he has had the chance and refused to do it.


I'll concede that he apparently comes off as cool and indifferent. Magically that still ends up matching up with plenty of wins much of the time. Why hire a guy that players love but don't win with instead?