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Unclebuck
05-06-2008, 03:45 PM
I am somewhat shocked that JMV beat Eddie and Kravitz. I figured the curiousity factor plus the established AM 1070 listeners would push Eddie and Bob ahead of JMV.

Indianapolis cannot support three sports radio stations - maybe not even 2. Most cities have at least one all sports stations in the top 10 of the ratings.

Looks like Greg Rakestraw better start looking for a new job. - His show and station didn't even get enough mentions to make the ratings list. ouch



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For those interested in the JMV vs. Kravitz & Eddie battle:

Sports radio stations WNDE-AM (1260) and WFNI-AM (1070) shaped up as worthy rivals during their first ratings battle.

According to winter Arbitron statistics released Monday, Emmis Communications property WFNI edged Clear Channel's WNDE among listeners ages 12 and older. WFNI attracted 2,300 listeners per average 15-minute segment, while WNDE attracted 2,000.

WNDE can claim bragging rights in the afternoon, however, where its local host, John "JMV" Michael, posted bigger numbers than WFNI's team of Eddie White and Star columnist Bob Kravitz. Michael's show attracted 4,700 listeners per average 15-minute segment between 3 and 7 p.m. weekdays.

WFNI attracted 3,700 during the same time period. The White and Kravitz show airs from 3 to 6 p.m., followed by a variety of programming.

"We're incredibly enthusiastic about JMV's showing," said Buzz Casey, operations manager for Clear Channel in Indianapolis. Emmis vice president and general manager Tom Severino said he anticipates more dueling between the stations in coming months.

"I think we've created a better sports market than existed prior to Jan. 7," said Severino, noting the day WFNI debuted.

The AM dial's third sports station, WXLW-AM (950) failed to collect enough mentions in written Arbitron diaries to be listed in the winter ratings.

David Lindquist on May 06, '08 at 12:49 PM




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News and talk station WIBC gained listeners during its first three months at FM radio frequency 93.1, jumping from No. 5 to No. 2 in Arbitron ratings. Still, its success fell short of country station WFMS-FM (95.5) -- which topped quarterly rankings among Indianapolis stations for the 36th consecutive time.

WIBC, owned by Emmis Communications, moved from AM to FM in December. Vice president and general manager Tom Severino said the station accomplished a goal of attracting younger listeners who spend little time tuned to the AM band.

"We haven't been second in the market in the 14 years I've been here," he said.

Cumulus Media, which owns top-ranked WFMS, didn't fare as well with its new station at FM frequency 93.9. The "Warm" format of soft rock placed 25th among 25 stations mentioned in written diaries kept by listeners ages 12 and older.

The 93.9 number has been unlucky for country music (dumped in 2001), '80s nostalgia (dumped in 2004), Christian music (dumped in 2006) and conservative talk (dumped in 2007).

In a battle between two sports radio stations, new Emmis property WFNI-AM (1070) placed 16th (in a tie with Spanish-language WEDJ-FM), while WNDE-AM (1260) -- Clear Channel's long-running sports entry -- filled the next slot at No. 18.

The winter ratings period began Jan. 10 and ended April 2. The Indianapolis market population includes 1.35 million listeners.

Arbitron figures, which are used to assign advertising rates, are determined by the number of people who tune in to a station during a week and the amount of time they spend listening.

During the winter ratings period, WFMS reached 266,500 listeners a week. For an average 15-minute segment, 18,000 people tuned in.

Most-listened-to stations
Rankings based on written diaries of listeners 12 and older for winter 2008:

WFMS-FM (95.5): 18,000 listeners per average 15-minute segment (13,200 in fall 2007).
WIBC-FM (93.1): 11,300 (9,700).
WFBQ-FM (94.7): 10,500 (11,000).
WHHH-FM (96.3): 8,700 (12,800).
WTLC-FM (106.7): 8,400 (9.300).
WRZX-FM (103.3): 7,900 (6,500).
WJJK-FM (104.5): 7,500 (5,700).
WYXB-FM (105.7): 7,200 (9,800).
WLHK-FM (97.1): 6,300 (5,300). 10 (tie). WNOU-FM (100.9): 6,200 (6,400). 10 (tie). WZPL-FM (99.5): 6,200 (6,300). Source: Arbitron.

Ownagedood
05-06-2008, 04:13 PM
I only listen to 1070 for my sports on radio.

croz24
05-06-2008, 04:27 PM
i listen to all 3...when one goes to commercial, i tune in to another...

Major Cold
05-06-2008, 04:49 PM
I live in Ft WAyne. They have Espn radio and it sucks. THat is why I got XM.

grace
05-06-2008, 05:00 PM
Actually I prefer Greg Rakestraw's show. Unfortunately more times than not that's a certain kiss of death.

Infinite MAN_force
05-06-2008, 05:00 PM
Im glad JMV won he is a much better radio host than Kravits or Eddie.

I do listen to some 1070 due to the fact that Kravits does talk more pacers than JMV, but I think Eddie White is really obnoxious and annoying. They also suck at interviews.

grace
05-06-2008, 05:04 PM
I think Eddie White is really obnoxious and annoying.


More obnoxious and annoying than :kravitz:? I didn't think that was possible.

BillS
05-06-2008, 05:13 PM
I think they are both obnoxious and annoying. And banal. And attention-span-challenged.

I also think 1070's signal strength might have something to do with it. My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.

grace
05-06-2008, 05:21 PM
My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.


Smoke signals don't travel like they used to. ;)

Shade
05-06-2008, 05:32 PM
I don't listen to the radio much. But if I did, Kravitz sure as hell wouldn't be playing on there.

duke dynamite
05-06-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm not sure I would want to listen to Kravitz's show anyway. He never has anything positive to say unless he was ever right about something in the first place.

Infinite MAN_force
05-06-2008, 08:15 PM
More obnoxious and annoying than :kravitz:? I didn't think that was possible.

Kravits is actually pretty tolerable, he doesen't come off like he does in his columns (as much). Eddie White is a moron.

Karmakillaz
05-06-2008, 10:57 PM
Eddie Whites noises are annoying, he comes across as "wacky FM DJ"

Personally I like Rakestraw, he seems like someone I could have a beer and watch a game with. It just seems that even when 950 was still ESPN their quality of guests was pretty low. I don't know who was responsible for that, but I got the feeling the station didnt do a lot to support the show.

I tend to listen to Eddie and Kravits because they seem to have a lot of interesting and relevant guests.

I do not like JMV, he really seems to be trying to be like Bruno or Rome and is just waiting for that bigger and better opportunity.

Anthem
05-06-2008, 11:43 PM
I don't listen to the radio much. But if I did, Kravitz sure as hell wouldn't be playing on there.
Is it too soon to bring back QFT?

Eindar
05-06-2008, 11:44 PM
I think they are both obnoxious and annoying. And banal. And attention-span-challenged.

I also think 1070's signal strength might have something to do with it. My reception west of Indy stinks - it didn't used to back when I was growing up.

Word of the day calendar?

I agree, 1070's reception sucks. I keep meaning to look into HD Radio, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

I'm very glad to see JMV beating Eddie and Kravitz. I'm 27, so JMV's humor and attitude is right in my wheelhouse, where as Eddie in particular comes off as a curmudgeon. I actually prefer Rakestraw to those guys, but he's got virtually no good interviews, so it's hard to listen to him because of that.

BillS
05-07-2008, 09:33 AM
Word of the day calendar?

:p

I can talk gooder'n a preacher eatin' peach pits even if'n I am from Indiana.

Tom White
05-07-2008, 10:17 AM
A couple of things to consider when looking at the numbers.

1. This is the first "book" period for WFNI 1070. It is entirely normal for a station's ratings to not be at their peak during the first book. There are a lot of listening habits that have been created over years of air-time that take a while to change. "Curiousity listening" generally does not have a great effect on the numbers.

2. The numbers are for the Indy area only. The signal coverage of 1070 goes far beyond what 1260 can reach. For example, down here in Brown County 1070 comes in great most of the day, in almost all areas. 1260, on the other hand, is very difficult to pick up in a lot of places. The 5,000 watts produced at WNDE simply cannot compete with the 50,000 watts that WFNI puts out when it comes to coverage area.

If you want more info about coverage areas, go to radio-locator.com to see the coverage maps.

Having blathered all of that, I'll say I'm enjoying the Kravitz & Eddie show. They seem to really enjoy what they are doing, and they have had a great line-up of interviews, so far.

I'll also say this. All of the three local afternoon shows are an improvement over the days of Mark Patrick.

Unclebuck
05-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Having blathered all of that, I'll say I'm enjoying the Kravitz & Eddie show. They seems to really enjoy what they are doing, and they have had a great line-up of interviews, so far.

I'll also say this. All of the three local afternoon shows are an improvement over the days of Mark Patrick.

Your point about radio listener habbits is a good one. Radio much more than TV is based upon habbit.

Anything is better than Mark Patrick - although I really can't stand Greg Rakestraw - always seems like he is fake.

I like JMV a lot, but he doesn't talk abou the Pacers much or the NBA

Eddie and Kravitz I like the most because they have by far the best guests. The other two shows simply do not or cannot get guests like Bob Ryan

indyblue47
05-07-2008, 11:28 AM
Well, I used to be an avid JMV fan until he started letting obnoxious listeners cal in and go on and on with their rants.

One day, out of curiosity, I tuned into 1070 (dreading hearing Kravitz), but to my surprise, BK was pretty good.

It takes getting used to Eddie, but I've enjoyed their show alot and they can sure bring in the guests!!

It nice being able to work and listen to them on my pc while I work. :laugh:

Naptown_Seth
05-07-2008, 11:30 AM
"And again"...I can only take so much JMV. Over the years his style has started to come off way too repetitive at times. Not bad, but I've enjoyed the change of pace with Eddie/Kravitz.

Agreed that Eddie needs to take it down a few notches, just too fake/whacky. And Bob comes off infinitely better when speaking than when writing, though he still hits his off-track dead-horses.

My favorite part of the show is when Eddie rips Bob when he doesn't know things about the NBA.

They've had a nice lineup of guests without a doubt. Getting Sal Paliantonio (sp? ESPN NFL) on the Harrison case was great, just for example.

One thing I hated when I moved back from Houston was giving up sports talk options (they had 2-3 going at the time). Even if one dies here it's still big to at least have 1 extra voice on issues.

Roaming Gnome
05-07-2008, 06:42 PM
Yeah, when WFNI hit the air waves, I gave Bob and Eddie a fair chance. I listened to them solidly for the first 2 months or so before I got rather fed up with Eddie White. Going in, I figured that I would want to just rip out my radio because I feared that it would be "obnoxious Bob" and a bunch of "mega Ditto" type callers just falling in line with Kravitz. Boy, was I wrong! I actually enjoyed Kravitz explaining his columns to folks that were less then happy with how he views stuff. Personally, I feel it takes a lot of guts to write a column then be accountable and answer on it on live radio.

Honestly, my only hang up is Eddie White. For some reason he's just irretating to me in that "wacky FM DJ" sort of way. He was not that way when they started, but over the last 2 months the guy is nearly intolerable to me.

As far as JMV, his show also isn't what it was when it started out and that is troubling. As someone mentioned earlier... too many ranting callers and not enough NBA chatter, eventhough Pacer Bball is not a hot topic unless it is a negative headline.

950 isn't even worth mentioning. They will be looking for another format change soon and their on-air personallities will probably start filtering to other lines of work.

Stryder
05-07-2008, 07:17 PM
I hate it when Eddie White spews his line, "KRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAVVVVVVIIIIITTTZZZZ and Eddie".

It is so ridiculous. Anyone with me?

Tom White
05-07-2008, 07:38 PM
As far as JMV, his show also isn't what it was when it started out and that is troubling. As someone mentioned earlier... too many ranting callers and not enough NBA chatter, eventhough Pacer Bball is not a hot topic unless it is a negative headline.


It has seemed to me that JMV has a Jim Rome complex. The way he speaks on the radio, and the sort of callers he tolerates give me the impression that he wants to be like Rome (Whom I can't stomach at all).

Its odd. When he does his bit on channel 13, he doesn't speak at all like he does on the radio. Almost like he is trying to be more.........I don't know, maybe professional? More acceptable to a wider audience?

grace
05-07-2008, 08:07 PM
I hate it when Eddie White spews his line, "KRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAVVVVVVIIIIITTTZZZZ and Eddie".

It is so ridiculous. Anyone with me?

All I know is if I happen to have 1070 and I hear "And now a minute with Kravitz and Eddie" I can't change the station fast enough.

Ownagedood
05-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Kravits is actually pretty tolerable, he doesen't come off like he does in his columns (as much).
Ya, I agree.. I hate Kravits columns but enjoy listening to them talk about sports on the radio..

PacerGuy
05-08-2008, 01:04 AM
I don't get the JMV bashing I just read below, as I find especially w/ local HS & College knowledge, he kicks Crapitz & Edtardo a**!!!

Bob may be better on thye radio, but his "Just make the Call" on Tom Izzo to coach IU c**p, & his "Dungy is a bad father" B.S. were purely rating ploys, & is garbage journalism!!! We all agree Eddie is just an idiot thru & thru! (And to the reference below of Sal P. on the BK & EW show talking about Marvin, did anyone hear how pissed Sal got w/ Eddie when he made light of the situation about the neighborhood in Philly? The interview ended very uncomfortable & quickly after Eddie pissed off Sal. Not a way to win over a national voice!) Hell, Eddie doesn't even know who Robin Miller is! If you have lived in Indy for awhile &/or follow racing at all, you have to know that guy. He was as big a part of Indy sports reporting as anyone ever has been! He & D.Benner were Indiana sports, & were (are) far better columnist then Carpitz is! They are local guys who know the history & traditions that are Indiana, not some transfered-in bafoon w/ bad hair & jock-sniffing co-host.

Now I will admit the callers on JMV are allowed a bit more of a rant I guess, but nothing like the Rome show. No "scripted takes" lasting for minutes apon minutes. There is some "personal relationships" w/ regular callers, but nothing like Rome! JMV also has a lot of national (& local) guest compared to when he started. Remember too, he is working against ESPN radio, who will always support the local affiliate first. He does a pretty good w/ his interviews as well. I'm not the biggest fan of his "Green County" rants, nor a lot of the topics of "Pop Culture" that seem to take over at times, but he is a long way from the "dog-n-pony show" that was Mark Patrick. JMV's audience is younger, & is more locally Highschool, College, & local "kids/players/coaches/celeberties" orientated then the other clowns are, & he has his groupies ("The Baggery") that he plays up to add a different & fun twist as well. JMV will chat anyone up at a remote & drink a beer & talk sports 24/7 w/ anyone who asks him to. You gotta respect that!
I too agree though that there needs to be more Pacer chat, but to JMV's credit, he has been talking about them more of late. Unfortunately, most the callers are only interested in ripping the team while their down rather then carry on a real Pacer conversation. Not his fault.

All in all, give WNDE (& JMV) the wattage that WFNI has, & this race is even more one-sided! Congrats to JMV & WNDE!

Naptown_Seth
05-08-2008, 10:32 AM
PGuy - a lot of good points there. Sal did seem put off at times and was obviously very shaken by visiting that neighborhood.

All I can defend them with is that for whatever reason I've mostly enjoyed listening to their banter. It might just be the newness of it all or the format of 2 guys instead of 1.

I still turn to JMV and do think he is much more on the ball than Patrick was when it comes to overall sports topics.


Personally, I feel it takes a lot of guts to write a column then be accountable and answer on it on live radio.

Totally agree Gnome, and some of those calls he's faced have been brutal. Doesn't get him off the hook for the forced opinions and unreasonable attitude you find in his column, but I'm a lot more willing to let a guy go if he's willing to meet the accountability.

Unclebuck
05-08-2008, 02:59 PM
I like shows that do two things.

1) Never take any phone callers from listeners.

2) talk about the Pacers and or the NBA - all the time

I'll listen to any sports show that does those two things. Really I don't care about much else.

On the national level - I consider a show good if I can listen to it no matter what the topic is.

Doddage
05-09-2008, 06:32 AM
1) Never take any phone callers from listeners.
Why? I generally like when shows have this... granted, the stupid questions I don't particularly care for, but otherwise I think this adds to the quality of the discussion/topic.

Unclebuck
05-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Why? I generally like when shows have this... granted, the stupid questions I don't particularly care for, but otherwise I think this adds to the quality of the discussion/topic.

98% of callers add nothing of value to the discussion - except to kill time. I would much rather listen to guests - media people, coaches, players - much better