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Brian
05-06-2008, 11:22 AM
UPDATE:
On espnnews they just said D'Antoni expected to be named the new Bulls head coach




Ive been thinking about this lately,how do you think the suns will do without D'Antoni?.I mean I cant really think of anyone on that team that would really thrive in an defensive-minded set.I guess you have Raja Bell and that Strawberry kid,but if you look at it noone on that team is a real defensive stopper unless they can sign Artest somehow.

So my question to you is,would they be better without D'Antoni?,People may say that a team just needs to hear a new voice sometime (sounds familiar to a certain team close to our hearts).

And some people may say it doesnt matter who they get in there,but they need to do something because D'Antoni's system clearly isnt doing the job.

Naptown_Seth
05-06-2008, 11:27 AM
I think it's clouded because of the age on Nash-Shaq, plus Marion gone. I've never bought into D'Antoni's system being the key. They stunk with just Amare-Marion despite the two of them putting up nice numbers. Suddenly D'Antoni's system takes off when Nash gets into town?

I don't think he's a bad coach either, just that his players left him overrated. He shouldn't have been run out of PHX (which seems to be the case) either, he's neither the problem nor the cure.

I do think he could guide other teams into the 45+ win range.

Shade
05-06-2008, 11:29 AM
It depends on who they get to replace him.

I think the Suns' window may be closed, and if not, it's closing very fast. I'd give it one more run with the current core and then tear it down.

Unclebuck
05-06-2008, 11:48 AM
It is probably time for a change there. Their biggest problem is the age of Shaq, Nash and Hill - and a very weak bench.

But if I were a huge Suns fan, I would say a coahcing change will likely help - may not be absolutely needed, but better to be a year early then a year late

idioteque
05-06-2008, 11:52 AM
I think they'll fare worse next season because of their aging core and the physical toll D'Antoni's system has left on them. I wonder how Grant Hill played in that system at all sometimes with his paper ankle. If I were the Suns I would begin to rebuild now, but they'll probably have another go at it.

Shade
05-06-2008, 11:53 AM
I wonder how the Suns feel right now about giving away all of those draft picks the last couple of seasons.

idioteque
05-06-2008, 11:56 AM
I wonder how the Suns feel right now about giving away all of those draft picks the last couple of seasons.

I thought that was stupid when they did it. If they're going to be small minded about the draft, at least draft some guys and keep them in Europe so they're not on the payroll, who knows, they might turn out to be decent. I'd rather do that than flat out give away a pick that could possibly make another team stronger.

Kegboy
05-06-2008, 12:35 PM
I don't know if they'll be better or worse, but I'll tell you one thing. The notion that Chicago is perfect for him is ludicrous. To go from Nash to Hinrich will kill him. Wilbon said something similar a little while back: "Chicago doesn't have a point guard."

maragin
05-06-2008, 01:11 PM
Nope. This is very tough to gauge, as his successor will have a "different" team, even if it means they just got older/ wiser.

Even though it was 4-1, that series was a few makes/ misses away from being a 7 gamer. I didn't see D'A make any really bad coaching decisions, though some of the Armchair Coach nominees can chime in.

With a coaching change, I'd see 20% improvement, 30% about the same, 50% worse.

avoidingtheclowns
05-06-2008, 01:27 PM
i don't blame d'antoni for the suns decline. i don't blame steve kerr either. i didn't necessarily think the shaq trade was going to work but i think it was a move kerr probably had to make so they could get something for marion (which ended up being dumping banks' contract). i completely and whole-heartedly blame the owner. selling and giving away all those cheap draft picks was insane at the time and even more so in hindsight. i

so will they be better without d'antoni? i suppose it depends who they get to coach the team but i kind of doubt they'll get better. but with an aging nash and shaq, with a thin bench, i don't think d'antoni could do much more with this squad either. the team either has to blow it up and keep d'antoni or let d'antoni move on -- and it seems like kerr would prefer to do the latter.

Fool
05-06-2008, 01:33 PM
Kerr decided D'Antoni's style wasn't going to cut it when he traded for Shaq. After that trade, there was no point to keeping the him.

NuffSaid
05-06-2008, 01:38 PM
It really depends on who they get as their next head coach assuming D'Antoni isn't retained. Teams tend to take on the style of their coach assuming the coach can get the players who fit his coaching style.

The only problem with the Suns under D'Antoni was they didn't have enough defense to stop most teams. I suspect they didn't have much defense because D' believed he could counted most team's defense with the Sun's better offense. But as we've seen a high scoring offense works fine during the regular season, but not very well during the post-season. Had the Suns been able to keep Joe Johnson or Sawn Marion and acquired Shaq I think they would have gone farther in the post-season.

Anthem
05-06-2008, 01:50 PM
i don't blame steve kerr either. i don't blame steve kerr either.
You can say that again!

avoidingtheclowns
05-06-2008, 03:06 PM
You can say that again!

i don't know what happened. i don't know what happened.

Hicks
05-06-2008, 04:18 PM
I hope most people think Hinrich isn't a PG. I think if we could get him relatively cheap, it would work out well for us because I see him doing very well for O'Brien's offense.

Major Cold
05-06-2008, 04:46 PM
Ok if you have not read Simmons article on the Suns then you should.

They were so close to winning it all. They were one broken eye socket away from a dynasty.

grace
05-06-2008, 04:48 PM
I hope most people think Hinrich isn't a PG. I think if we could get him relatively cheap, it would work out well for us because I see him doing very well for O'Brien's offense.


He's not a PG. If you think he is then I've got some ocean front property in AZ you might be interested in buying.

Hicks
05-06-2008, 04:51 PM
He's not a PG. If you think he is then I've got some ocean front property in AZ you might be interested in buying.

Can't be less of one than Flip Murray. I'd care to say he's more of one than Flip. That's all this offense needs; it doesn't need a traditional PG. It needs someone who can shoot and play defense, and at least be average at dribbling/passing.

grace
05-06-2008, 04:55 PM
Can't be less of one than Flip Murray. I'd care to say he's more of one than Flip. That's all this offense needs; it doesn't need a traditional PG. It needs someone who can shoot and play defense, and at least be average at dribbling/passing.


O.K, but don't expect him to be a team leader. He's better at being a PG.

Hicks
05-06-2008, 05:09 PM
Fine by me. I'd like Danny to be the leader anyway.

Kegboy
05-07-2008, 12:12 AM
O.K, but don't expect him to be a team leader. He's better at being a quitter.

Fixed. Guy's a bum. As low of an opinion as I have of Larry, I still don't see him wanting someone like that running his team.

Oneal07
05-07-2008, 01:00 AM
Phoenix has a good team, they just need defensive players to hold down the D. And they're bench does suck

Eindar
05-07-2008, 03:15 AM
Fixed. Guy's a bum. As low of an opinion as I have of Larry, I still don't see him wanting someone like that running his team.

Guy has one bad year while still being young and manning the hardest position in the league to learn, and all of a sudden he's a bum? You don't think it might have something to do with having the egos of Ty Thomas, Ben Gordon and either Ben Wallace or Larry Hughes on the team?

I think he's a good PG in most systems, and I think he'd be a fantastic PG in O'Brien's system.

rexnom
05-07-2008, 04:54 AM
I love this, we could really low-ball Chicago for Hinrich, couldn't we?

Would they do a Hinrich, Gooden and Sefalosha for Dunleavy, Marquis, Ike trade?

Eindar
05-07-2008, 05:05 AM
I love this, we could really low-ball Chicago for Hinrich, couldn't we?

Would they do a Hinrich, Gooden and Sefalosha for Dunleavy, Marquis, Ike trade?

My personal opinion is that if they traded Hinrich, D'Antoni would have a fit. Contrary to popular belief, D'Antoni's system doesn't need some transition wizard or anything. All he needs is 5 guys who can handle the ball, make the right pass, and, most importantly, are good shooters.

O'Brien is basically trying to run D'Antoni's system, just at a slower pace with more defense.

sweabs
05-07-2008, 10:08 AM
Kegboy & Grace - what is with all of the hate for Hinrich? I watched a lot of Bulls games this year, and I don't think he was nearly the same type of player I saw 2-3 years ago. However, I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that he (and most of the team) had tuned out the coach. In my opinion, this past year was not an accurate representation of the type of player he truly is.

The simple fact of the matter is that he is undoubtedly better than anyone else we have at the PG spot right now.

Major Cold
05-07-2008, 10:15 AM
They tuned out the coach, the city, and basketball altogether.

Unclebuck
05-07-2008, 11:20 AM
I really like Hinrich - mainly because of his defense. He is one of the better defenders at that position. (not one of the best) he has trouble with the quicker and smaller point guards, but who doesn't.

I would love to get Hinrich and he would fit nicely into O'Brien's system. He'll never be an allstar - but he's an upgrade for sure

grace
05-07-2008, 12:40 PM
Kegboy & Grace - what is with all of the hate for Hinrich?

I don't hate him. I just don't think he's as good as everyone around here thinks he is. Even the people who do the Bulls games say he's not a PG. They also complain that he doesn't draw enough fouls. Now that might be a lack of respect from the refs or it could be that he doesn't try to draw contact.

Naptown_Seth
05-08-2008, 04:14 PM
I think USA Basketball took a toll on Hinrich.