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Kofi
05-02-2008, 10:18 PM
....Troy Murphy!

Actually, it's Kobe Bryant.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-kobe3-2008may03,0,6268282.story

Sollozzo
05-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Good. He deserves it.

King Tuts Tomb
05-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Although I wouldn't have voted for him, he's deserving. It's not a total travesty like Nash's MVPs. Let's hope Chris Paul picks up one or two in the next few years.

Kstat
05-02-2008, 10:25 PM
Kobe's first, and most likely his last, MVP. But at least he won't go down as the best player never to win one.

Sollozzo
05-02-2008, 10:32 PM
Kobe's first, and most likely his last, MVP. But at least he won't go down as the best player never to win one.

Think so? With Kobe and Gasol, the Lakers have a legitimate chance to win 50 or so games for the next few seasons. If that happens, he will always be a top 3 candidate, so I think he could pull out one more in the next 5 years.

But we all know LBJ is going to win one sooner rather than later. I'll say right now that he wins it next season.

Arcadian
05-02-2008, 10:41 PM
Last year he was the best player. I don't know about this year. Like the grammies a little too late unless you are Steve Nash.

Kstat
05-02-2008, 10:42 PM
Next year LeBron will start a string of about 4-5 in a row.

JayRedd
05-02-2008, 11:12 PM
It's hard to deny someone who can strike with 99 percent accuracy at maximum speed in rapid succession.

Arcadian
05-02-2008, 11:14 PM
Does that mean Uma Thurman will win a second Oscar?

LoneGranger33
05-03-2008, 12:07 AM
It's hard to deny someone who can strike with 99 percent accuracy at maximum speed in rapid succession.

Car-jumping for the win!?

Basketball Fan
05-03-2008, 12:32 AM
Car-jumping for the win!?



I think he meant the nickname Kobe has "Mamba" the Mamba is a snake that's known to strike with 99% accuracy for the kill.


I personally can't believe the media set aside their dislike for him to actually give him the MVP.

I figured they would come up with some BS reasoning to give it to CP3 who is good but he didn't lead his team to the #1 seed in the West.

N8R
05-03-2008, 12:34 AM
Deserved. Chris Paul should be a close second I would imagine

BoomBaby31
05-03-2008, 02:12 AM
It is about time, Kobe should have 3 by now.

andreialta
05-03-2008, 04:01 AM
ive hated kobe cuz ive hated Shaq. but kobe really deserves this!!

He really i MVP.. chris paul maybe next year

rexnom
05-03-2008, 04:05 AM
CP3 should have won. I'm a little pissed. Ironically, I'm just as pissed as I was when Nash won over Kobe a few years ago.

efx
05-03-2008, 05:57 AM
Good for him. He most definately deserved it.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 11:26 AM
Hoop Addicts,

Though I concur that Bryant is deserving, I would submit that this is a year where there are multiple players worthy of consideration. I do have a vote, and the league asks us to list five players in order of preference. This is how I filled out my ballot:

1) Kevin Garnett
2) Kobe Bryant
3) Chris Paul
4) LeBron James
5) Dwight Howard

Anyone wondering why I chose Garnett even though almost all of his numbers were down this season? I believe that the way he manages his team and the environment on the court during the course of a game is unparalleled, and the importance of that can't be underestimated, particularly on a team like Boston with so many egos and needs. He was more than willing to sacrifice his own numbers for the greater good, his level of play was as good as it's ever been, he's an extraordinary defensive player, and he's the ultimate professional, which by my definition means that he's committed to winning above all else.


That said, I suspect Bryant will win, and I have no quarrel with that. As previously mentioned, I consider more than one player deserving of consideration this season.

MJB

JayRedd
05-03-2008, 01:18 PM
That said, I suspect Bryant will win, and I have no quarrel with that. As previously mentioned, I consider more than one player deserving of consideration this season.

Agreed.

This is the craziest year I can remember. I would have no complaints with Kobe, CP3, KG or LeBron.

Those four guys were all so far above the rest of the League this year and there are completely valid yet non-differentiating arguments for each that for me it really comes down to "It was Kobe's turn."

duke dynamite
05-03-2008, 01:39 PM
See what happens when you complain a lot in the offseason?

:lol:

AesopRockOn
05-03-2008, 01:41 PM
I feel like a couple of the other awards were sort of compromises for allowing Kobe to win (though he was the most deserving). Byron Scott won COTY; tough to put the MVP on the same team. Garnett gets defensive player of the year; although he didn't put up numbers, the consensus was that his presence created an atmosphere that allowed his teammates to become better and most focused defenders. The award season worked out iow.

imawhat
05-03-2008, 02:06 PM
It's about time.

How he didn't win in 05-06 is beyond me. How he finished 3rd is incomprehensible.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 02:23 PM
Kids,

For what it's worth, these were choices I submitted for the various awards:

MVP (see above)

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Kevin Durant
2. Al Horford
3. Carl Landry

COACH OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Rick Adelman
2. Byron Scott
3. Eddie Jordan
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Marcus Camby

SIXTH MAN AWARD (Must list 3)
1. Emanuel Ginobili
2. Leandro Barbosa
3. Andres Nocioni
MOST IMPROVED PLAYER (Must list 3)
1. Hidayet Turkoglu
2. Rudy Gay
3. Danny Granger
ALL NBA (Must list 3 teams)
FIRST TEAM: Bobe Bryant and Chris Paul (G), Dwight Howard (C), Kevin Garnett and LeBron James (F)

SECOND TEAM: Deron Williams and Steve Nash (G), Yao Ming (C), Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki (F)

THIRD TEAM: Allen Iverson and Joe Johnson (G), Al Jefferson (C), Antawn Jamison and Carlos Boozer (F)

MJB

Cactus Jax
05-03-2008, 02:40 PM
Kids,

For what it's worth, these were choices I submitted for the various awards:

MVP (see above)

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Kevin Durant
2. Al Horford
3. Carl Landry

COACH OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Rick Adelman
2. Byron Scott
3. Eddie Jordan
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR (Must list 3)
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Marcus Camby

SIXTH MAN AWARD (Must list 3)
1. Emanuel Ginobili
2. Leandro Barbosa
3. Andres Nocioni
MOST IMPROVED PLAYER (Must list 3)
1. Hidayet Turkoglu
2. Rudy Gay
3. Danny Granger
ALL NBA (Must list 3 teams)
FIRST TEAM: Bobe Bryant and Chris Paul (G), Dwight Howard (C), Kevin Garnett and LeBron James (F)

SECOND TEAM: Deron Williams and Steve Nash (G), Yao Ming (C), Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki (F)

THIRD TEAM: Allen Iverson and Joe Johnson (G), Al Jefferson (C), Antawn Jamison and Carlos Boozer (F)

MJB



Ah so you were 1 of the 2 who voted for Danny as most improved. I gave my reason in another topic as to why he shouldnt be seriously considered, and that's because young players are supposed to improve. Danny's jump was a bit farther than most people thought, but not completely earth-shattering. I'm surprised you wouldn't put Mike Dunleavy in that spot.

I agree with pretty much all your selections, though I was partially curious/happy that you put Carl Landry over Luis Scola. As soon as they seriously played Landry that team took off, and while his numbers weren't as good as Scola's, his difference on the win/loss record was just as impactful if not more than Scola.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Jax,

You have more or less accurately stated my reasons for the Landry and Granger selections. Had I not voted Granger 3rd in the Most Improved category, I would have selected Dunleavy.

MJB

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 02:56 PM
Jax,

I misread your earlier post, so while your comments on Landry mirror my thinking, let me explain my thinking on the Granger vote.

As I said, Dunleavy would have gotten my 3rd vote had I not gone with Granger, so in my view there's not a lot of difference in the merits of the two when it comes to this award. While I agree, generally speaking, that young players have more room to improve than established players do, I gave Granger the edge because it was clear to me that he had become the primary concern of most Pacer opponents while Mike is still regarded as a complementary player. That, to me, negated any statistical advantage Mike may have had when it came to analyzing this category.

MJB

Kstat
05-03-2008, 02:57 PM
mr boyle,

If you had to vote over again, would you put Josh Smith in your DPOY top 3 over Camby or Kobe? I think he's getting some long overdue national attention he was previously denied because of who he plays for.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 03:05 PM
KStat,

I did give Josh serious thought, but felt Camby had the better season. Part of it is because of his youth, but in the games I saw Smith play, his appetite for blocking shots left him out of position far too often for my taste. In addition, I don't care for his penchant for what I call the "highlight" block. When you smash a shot into row five, all it does is stop the shot clock, as opposed to giving your team possession, which is what Camby does most of the time by keeping his shot blocks in play.

Still, I like Josh, and I think those things will disappear as he becomes more mature and experienced.

MJB

Kstat
05-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Mr Boyle,

Did you vote for the all-defensive and all-rookie teams, or are you just waiting until they're officially announced to divulge them?

JayRedd
05-03-2008, 03:33 PM
It's quite possible that the First Team All NBA will be unanimous this season.

Easiest vote ever for the Top 5 players of the year.

And...nice picks overall, MJB. Especially on recognizing Kobe's recommitment to his D this year. My only real objection is no Paul Pierce on the All NBA list. I would have had to go with Caron over Antawn on that Third Team also, but the difference in the two is too close to to call really, and Antwan is soooo vastly underrated by NBA fans that it's nice to see him get some recognition from a voter.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 03:34 PM
KStat,

We don't vote for those teams. The coaches take care of those awards.

MJB

Kstat
05-03-2008, 03:48 PM
KStat,

We don't vote for those teams. The coaches take care of those awards.

MJB

In that case, what would be your picks, if you don't mind me asking?

Basketball Fan
05-03-2008, 04:37 PM
It's about time.

How he didn't win in 05-06 is beyond me. How he finished 3rd is incomprehensible.



I'll tell you why the media didn't want to give it to him they used "he didn't make his teammates better" , "not a top 3 seed" blah blah blah..

They had it in for him ever since Colorado and they wouldn't put their personal dislike for him aside to do it.

Until now when he had the #1 seed in the West and has played team oriented ball. Not to mention none of his supporting cast are All Stars.

Honestly I'm shocked they gave it to him I figured they would find a way to give it to CP3

Kstat
05-03-2008, 05:32 PM
He didn't deserve in in 05-06 either. Ask Wilt and Jordan about scoring a ton of meaningless points and not winning MVP.

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 06:04 PM
Jay,

Paul Pierce is a good player, but I don't think he had a better year than either Joe Johnson or Allen Iverson, who were my third team guys, and I can't imagine even Pierce's biggest advocate would take exception with the other four (Paul, Bryant, Nash, and Williams) on my list.

As for Butler, I think you make a reasonable point. My primary reason for selecting Jamison over Butler (aside from the fact that Antawn had superior numbers) is that Jamison played in 79 games to Butler's 58, which means (at least in my estimation) that he had a greater impact on his team than Caron did.

MJB

JayRedd
05-03-2008, 06:24 PM
Good call. Forgot about Caron's missed games. He's out.

And I would have taken Pierce over both Joe or Ivy, but yeah, there are arguments either way. I also consider him a SF, so I was also factoring in him being more deserving -- on my nonexistent ballot anyway -- than both Antwan and Yao (meaning move Timmy to C and bump Yao altogether) and maybe even Dirk and Boozer.

After a little more thought, mine would probably look like this:

1st: CP3 (G), Kobe (G), Dwight (C), KG (F), Lebron (F)
2nd: Deron (G), Nash (G), Duncan (C), Pierce (F), Dirk (F)
3rd: Joe Johnson (G), Iverson (G) Amare (C), Boozer (F), Jamison (F)

Regardless, we're pretty close and thanks for sharing.

Not tryna nitpick.*









* ...and hope I don't get sued by Seth for patent infringement.

Kstat
05-03-2008, 06:44 PM
Mr Boyle,

May I inquire why Yao is on your 2nd team, if you place such a high importance on games played? Yao only played in 55, which is even less than Butler.

Or was there simply not another realistic candidate out there in your mind?

mboyle1313
05-03-2008, 06:57 PM
KStat,

Fair question. In fact, I do not place particularly high value on games played, except to say that I wouldn't consider a player who was limited to (for example) 35 games due to injury. I referenced games played in the Butler/Jamison comparison as one factor in deciding between two players that both deserved consideration.

As for Yao, 55 games was enough for me to give him my second team vote. Dunacn is a PF, not a C, so he's not a factor there, and I gave Jefferson the nod over Amare on the third team because Amare spent a lot of time at PF this season, especially once Shaquille was acquired.

There a a lot of hybrid guys at the PF/C and the SG/SF positions as the game continues to change and the traditional C position becomes relatively obsolete. With that in mind, I wouldn't mind seeing the league give us the flexibilty to pick a PG, two wing (SG/SF) spots, and two power spots (PF/C) in future seasons rather than the tradiitional 2 G's, 2 F's, and a C.

MJB

imawhat
05-04-2008, 01:41 PM
He didn't deserve in in 05-06 either. Ask Wilt and Jordan about scoring a ton of meaningless points and not winning MVP.

Meaningless? Did you even watch a Lakers game that season?


Without Kobe that year, they're a 15-18 wins team. And they almost beat the Suns on Kobe's ONE LEG. Put Kobe on the Suns or Pistons that year and they're easily the champs. The fact that Nash won that year is absurd. Was it Billups who finished second? I'm without words.

But if it were about stats, which should be strongly considered, he had the most impressive statistical season of the past 35 years. And he did it in a much slower-paced game than any of Jordan's seasons. If this is 1986, he's got 45 ppg 8 rb, 7 ast a game.

The reason Kobe doesn't win the MVP that year has nothing to do with basketball, because his season was far superior than anyone else's. And that's not a knock on other players.

Kstat
05-04-2008, 01:58 PM
Meaningless? Did you even watch a Lakers game that season?



Yeah, the Lakers were mediocre the whole season and got bounced in the playoffs, culminating with kobe basically quitting by halftime of game 7.

All those points Kobe scored accomplished NOTHING. He wasn't an MVP, period.

idioteque
05-04-2008, 02:03 PM
As small minded as it sounds, I wouldn't give a rat's behind if there was no MVP award altogether. Too often it is given to one player who wouldn't be quite so valuable if his bum GM would just surround him with some decent players.

It's the ultimate star award in the ultimate star-dominated league.

JayRedd
05-04-2008, 02:15 PM
But if it were about stats, which should be strongly considered, he had the most impressive statistical season of the past 35 years. And he did it in a much slower-paced game than any of Jordan's seasons. If this is 1986, he's got 45 ppg 8 rb, 7 ast a game.

And if Jordan played his 1986-87 season when hand checking wasn't allowed, he would have averaged 50 ppg.

Also, 35.4/4.5/5.3 is by absolutely no means more impressive than

(A) 35.0/5.5/5.9
(B) 32.5/8.0/8.0
(C) 33.6/6.9/6.3

Especially when you consider MJ did all three of those while shooting 53%.

Nor will I bother to actually write out the numbers for Bird in 1985 or 1987, Kareem in 1971-1977, Magic in 1987, Moses in 1979 or 1982, Hakeem in 1990 or 1993, Shaq in 1994 or 2000, LeBron in 2006, Barkley in 1987, KG in 2004, Mailman in 1990, Admiral in 1994 or even TMac in 2003.

All of those are, if not definitely better than Kobe's 2006, certainly arguably better.

GO!!!!!
05-04-2008, 06:15 PM
I'd like to see Chris Paul win it, but like make up calls, it's over due for Kobe, he's been in the league 11 years now,

Chris Paul and Howard have bright MVP futures...

imawhat
05-04-2008, 07:14 PM
Yeah, the Lakers were mediocre the whole season and got bounced in the playoffs, culminating with kobe basically quitting by halftime of game 7.

All those points Kobe scored accomplished NOTHING. He wasn't an MVP, period.

Mediocre but losing in game 7 of the playoffs in the Western Conference. I sense a contradictory statement. So were the Lakers good, or did Kobe accomplish something? Your call.

I understand though, Nash accomplished MUCH more that year...so did Chauncey..

rexnom
05-04-2008, 07:19 PM
And if Jordan played his 1986-87 season when hand checking wasn't allowed, he would have averaged 50 ppg.

Also, 35.4/4.5/5.3 is by absolutely no means more impressive than

(A) 35.0/5.5/5.9
(B) 32.5/8.0/8.0
(C) 33.6/6.9/6.3

Especially when you consider MJ did all three of those while shooting 53%.

Nor will I bother to actually write out the numbers for Bird in 1985 or 1987, Kareem in 1971-1977, Magic in 1987, Moses in 1979 or 1982, Hakeem in 1990 or 1993, Shaq in 1994 or 2000, LeBron in 2006, Barkley in 1987, KG in 2004, Mailman in 1990, Admiral in 1994 or even TMac in 2003.

All of those are, if not definitely better than Kobe's 2006, certainly arguably better.
I would argue that that is the most statistically impressive season of all time, all things in consideration.

JayRedd
05-04-2008, 08:04 PM
I'll take 50.4 ppg and 25.7 rpg on 48.5 mpg; and 30.8 ppg, 12.5 rpg and 11.4 apg for the tie.

mboyle1313
05-04-2008, 09:06 PM
Jay,

Good call on Wilt and Oscar. As impressive as the Chamberlain numbers you cite undeniably are, Wilt's '67-'68 numbers are almost as impressive:

PPG: 24.3 PPG
RPG: 22.8 RPG
APG: 8.6

To this day, that's the only time a center has ever led the NBA in assists, or for that matter, even come close to doing so. As an aside, keep in mind that blocked shots were not kept in those days, or I'm sure we would be talking about a ridiculous number there as well. One can always debate the merits of various players, but from a statistical standpoint it's difficult, if not impossible, to compare with Wilt.

MJB

carpediem024
05-04-2008, 09:07 PM
It is about time...

imawhat
05-05-2008, 03:02 AM
And if Jordan played his 1986-87 season when hand checking wasn't allowed, he would have averaged 50 ppg.

For the record, Jordan averaged 3 more free throws a game than Kobe in his year. Also, had hand checking been allowed, the pace would've slowed drastically, that's if it's as influential as you suggest.





Also, 35.4/4.5/5.3 is by absolutely no means more impressive than

(A) 35.0/5.5/5.9
(B) 32.5/8.0/8.0
(C) 33.6/6.9/6.3

Especially when you consider MJ did all three of those while shooting 53%.

Like I said, not a knock on other players, because those are great, great seasons, but those games were played at a completely different pace. I think what Kobe did in a far slower game is more impressive. I wish Kobe had played in those days. I think he would've shattered Jordan's numbers.



Nor will I bother to actually write out the numbers for Bird in 1985 or 1987, Kareem in 1971-1977, Magic in 1987, Moses in 1979 or 1982, Hakeem in 1990 or 1993, Shaq in 1994 or 2000, LeBron in 2006, Barkley in 1987, KG in 2004, Mailman in 1990, Admiral in 1994 or even TMac in 2003.

All of those are, if not definitely better than Kobe's 2006, certainly arguably better.

Okay...

Bird-85-26.1, 9.6, 6.0
Bird-87-24.9, 8.2, 6.8
Kareem 71-77- 34.8, 16.6, 4.6
Magic-87-23.9, 6.3, 12.2
Moses-79-25.8, 14.5, 1.3
Moses-82-31.1, 14.7, 1.8
Hakeem-90-24.3, 14.0, 2.9, 4.6 blk
Hakeem-93-26.1, 13.0, 3.5, 4.2 blk
Shaq-93-29.3, 13.2, 2.4
Shaq-00-29.7, 13.6, 3.8
Lebron-06-31.4, 7.0, 6.6
Barkley-87-23.0, 14.6, 4.9
KG-04-24.2, 13.9, 5.0
Karl-90-31.0, 11.1, 2.8
Robinson-94-29.8, 10.7, 4.8
McGrady-03-32.1, 6.5, 5.5

Again, given the circumstances, I wouldn't say any of those seasons are better than Kobe's, but I'm willing to concede that 3-4 are arguable.

The most arguable, imo, is Kareem's best season in 71. But, he got those numbers on a Bucks team that averaged 114 pts/game, 93 shots/game , vs. 99 pts/game, 80 shots/game for Kobe's team.

Kstat
05-05-2008, 03:47 AM
The Lakers went nowhere in 2006, thus Kobe was automatically DQ'd from MVP consideration, period.

He could have averaged 60 points a game for all I care. A .500 finish and a first round exit renders it meaningless.

rexnom
05-05-2008, 05:37 AM
The Lakers went nowhere in 2006, thus Kobe was automatically DQ'd from MVP consideration, period.

He could have averaged 60 points a game for all I care. A .500 finish and a first round exit renders it meaningless.
Ugh...I don't want to go 10 rounds with you on this...but let's just say I disagree. The Lakers had no business being 45-37, being up 3-1 on the 2-seed Suns and almost winning (arguably deserved to win). I mean we're talking about a team that started Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm. A team where Smush Parker played 37 MPG in the playoffs (!). If you put a great S SG like Tracy McGrady on that team, I'm not so sure that they even win 30 games (they were easily on par with T-Mac's Orlando teams). If you have a decent but not great SG like Jason Richardson on that team, I'm pretty sure that that team is the worst team that season. What else could Kobe have done that season? Sorry for hogging it from Smush Parker. The man still averaged 4.5 APG. I think it's remarkable that he could even score that much when there was only one other "threat" on that team (Lamar Odom, who tended to disappear when the team needed him most, anyways). That was not only Kobe's finest season but also one of the great all-time seasons. I'd say that it is surely a top-10 non-MVP winning season.

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Let's not forget that that series would have been over in six if every Laker except for Kobe would have been in position defensively on that last possession or if Kwame Brown would have been smart and not bit on Tim Thomas' predictable ball-fake. Right before that shot, Kobe had beaten Shawn Marion, a decent defender, and put up a shot over him and another Sun to "win" the series on his way to 50 points. I'm not excusing what Kobe did in game 7 but the man had done everything that he could to help the Lakers win the series and his teammates just let him down. It is hardly Kobe's fault that Caron Butler was traded for Kwame Brown who looks like an absolute idiot on the most important play of the season. It is hardly Kobe's fault that Kwame was in there to begin with...there was no one better on the roster! No one could beat out Kwame Brown for crunch time minutes! That's how bad that team was! And they won 45 games and came within a shot of advancing to the second round.

Alright, I'm done.

EDIT: I just looked at that clip again...Kwame Brown is prominently involved in all the errors committed in this sequence. If that's Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum this year then I doubt Nash even gets the first shot up, much less the ball back. Wow, Brown's awful.

Kstat
05-05-2008, 06:00 AM
"almost winning?"

We're handing out the MVP for ALMOST winning now?

Does this mean joe johnson should be the MVP because the Hawks "almost" beat the celtics?

And you're not excusing Kobe for quitting in game 7, yet you're saying he still should have been MVP, so in fact you are excusing it.

rexnom
05-05-2008, 06:53 AM
"almost winning?"

We're handing out the MVP for ALMOST winning now?

Does this mean joe johnson should be the MVP because the Hawks "almost" beat the celtics?

And you're not excusing Kobe for quitting in game 7, yet you're saying he still should have been MVP, so in fact you are excusing it.
Well, my argument was that that LA team wasn't necessarily going nowhere, it had the potential to go somewhere because of Kobe. The MVP is based on the regular season, anyway. I apologize if I implied that that series affected my opinion of Kobe's play that season, which was MVP-worthy. The only merit that the series has in this discussion is that it demonstrates that that team wasn't a bad team (because of Kobe). You made it seem as if they were a .500 team that was lucky to make the playoffs. Luck had nothing to do with it. Kobe did.

Regardless, the Hawks/Joe Johnson comparison is fairly incongruous for too many reasons to list. In brief, not only is Kobe much better than JJ but his team was also worse in almost every single way. Still, the 2006 Lakers won about 10 more games in, what I would consider, an empirically tougher conference.

I'm not excusing Kobe's behavior in game 7, which again, should not be affecting anyone's opinion of whether he deserves the MVP or not, I'm merely explaining why he acted the way that he did, which I still find understandable to this day. Just like I understand why Ron Artest went into the stands. I don't approve of either behavior nor do I seek to excuse it, but I can definitely explain why it occurred.