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TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 10:35 AM
I know he is listed a SF , But didn't he Play SG this last season for the Kings ?

Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong :blush:

Kstat
06-09-2004, 10:36 AM
I know he is listed a SF , But didn't he Play SG this last season for the Kings ?

Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong :blush:

Doug Christie played SG.

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 10:36 AM
I know he is listed a SF , But didn't he Play SG this last season for the Kings ?

Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong :blush:

Doug Christie played SG.

Damn I should Know that ..grrrr , thanks for waking me up

Well that Kills my Nice trade Idea :mad:

naptownmenace
06-09-2004, 10:41 AM
I know he is listed a SF , But didn't he Play SG this last season for the Kings ?

Excuse my ignorance if I am wrong :blush:

Doug Christie played SG.

Damn I should Know that ..grrrr , thanks for waking me up

Well that Kills my Nice trade Idea :mad:

Don't feel bad... it would've been killed anyway!

:laugh:

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 10:50 AM
Don't feel bad... it would've been killed anyway!

:laugh:

I doubt it , Peja is not in good light right now ;)

Ultimate Frisbee
06-09-2004, 01:55 PM
peja is awesome... i think he could play the 2 on offense and ron could play the 2 on d...

LAPacer
06-09-2004, 02:02 PM
peja is awesome... i think he could play the 2 on offense and ron could play the 2 on d...

Even though he was broke for the Kings this past post-season. Peja is still very very good. The Pacers would win 65+ games if they got Peja and didn't lose their nucleus doing it. It would be over, if they got an upgrade at center as well.

MSA2CF
06-09-2004, 02:04 PM
If Peja were to come here, then surely we would have to keep Pollard too! :dance: :pepper:

TheSauceMaster
06-09-2004, 02:26 PM
Funny thing is Most Kings fans feel like alot of us do , We don't wanna give up Artest for Peja and Kings fans seem not to want Artest for Peja.

Fool
06-09-2004, 02:47 PM
Peja disappears every year in the playoffs not just tis year.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:01 PM
There are lies and then there are LIES. There is lots of hate and jealousy for euro players particularly successful ones like Peja and Dirk. Pacers would probably kill to get Peja for Artest. Peja is purely better player all around and L.Bird would probably made that deal in a split second and I am not that opposed to it having followed Peja for a long time. He'd probably be better off out of Sacto .

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:05 PM
Peja is a shooting forward. I mean I like Artest to a point but you guys overrate him. Although he is primarily a defender he can't guard quick guards (Wade and Rip recently) and his offense is ugly and inefficient. I think Artest is more like a flavour of the month and in 3 years he will become what he is , an average player.

Ultimate Frisbee
06-09-2004, 09:13 PM
Peja is a shooting forward

no kidding... :P

KINGSFREAK!!!
06-09-2004, 09:13 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

Cactus Jax
06-09-2004, 09:21 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What about Artest and Pollard for Peja? Really the ony problem with this idea is that I don't think a 2/3 combo of Peja and Al Harrington would work, both are too big. I'd rather keep Artest and if that means not getting Peja then so be it.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:22 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What the kings exactly need is a new coach and interior defense. Artest can only guard bulky guys like him so his defense is limited and his offense is bad.
As I said L. Bird wouldn't think twice about trading for Peja .

Cactus Jax
06-09-2004, 09:24 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What the kings exactly need is a new coach and interior defense. Artest can only guard bulky guys like him so his defense is limited and his offense is bad.
As I said L. Bird wouldn't think twice about trading for Peja .

WHAT??? Artest's defense is limited? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :unimpressed: :confused: He did a damn good job on Rip when he got the time to guard him for a full game. Guys like Kobe, Rip, Lebron, Melo etc. are nearly impossible for anybody else to guard, and Ron does as well as anybody I've seen by far on the ball/

SkipperZ
06-09-2004, 09:27 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

peja is a terrible defender

KINGSFREAK!!!
06-09-2004, 09:29 PM
No, we don't need a new coach. There is nobody out there who would do a better job than Adelman. Byron Scott could have been a possibility, but he's taken. Plus, it's Adelman that gets the Kings in position to win games, but it's up to Peja "No Balls" Stojakovic and Chris "Damn, I'm Good" Webber to screw it up.

Artest would give us some much needed athleticism and defense in general. I don't know what Artest you were watching but he held, I think the stat was TMac, Iverson, and some other top tier shooting guards to 9 points a game. It's not a myth that Artest is a great defender. Christie is starting to show signs of wear and tear, and can't carry the load all by himself.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:29 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What the kings exactly need is a new coach and interior defense. Artest can only guard bulky guys like him so his defense is limited and his offense is bad.
As I said L. Bird wouldn't think twice about trading for Peja .

WHAT??? Artest's defense is limited? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :unimpressed: :confused: He did a damn good job on Rip when he got the time to guard him for a full game. Guys like Kobe, Rip, Lebron, Melo etc. are nearly impossible for anybody else to guard, and Ron does as well as anybody I've seen by far on the ball/

laugh all u want but Wade and Rip scored on him.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:31 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

peja is a terrible defender

please ask Nowitzki,Nash and Finley how terrible he is

KINGSFREAK!!!
06-09-2004, 09:32 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

peja is a terrible defender

Not true. He is a decent defender and can hold his own. In fact, he was number 10 in the league in steals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbasteals&sort=stls&season=2004&seasontype=3

Cactus Jax
06-09-2004, 09:33 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What the kings exactly need is a new coach and interior defense. Artest can only guard bulky guys like him so his defense is limited and his offense is bad.
As I said L. Bird wouldn't think twice about trading for Peja .

WHAT??? Artest's defense is limited? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :unimpressed: :confused: He did a damn good job on Rip when he got the time to guard him for a full game. Guys like Kobe, Rip, Lebron, Melo etc. are nearly impossible for anybody else to guard, and Ron does as well as anybody I've seen by far on the ball/

laugh all u want but Wade and Rip scored on him.

Wade and Rip score on everyone. Like I said earlier, almost all of Rip's scoring came when artest wasn't on him, and Wade was playing like Jordan at times in that series, where NOBODY will stop him.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:37 PM
No, we don't need a new coach. There is nobody out there who would do a better job than Adelman. Byron Scott could have been a possibility, but he's taken. Plus, it's Adelman that gets the Kings in position to win games, but it's up to Peja "No Balls" Stojakovic and Chris "Damn, I'm Good" Webber to screw it up.

Artest would give us some much needed athleticism and defense in general. I don't know what Artest you were watching but he held, I think the stat was TMac, Iverson, and some other top tier shooting guards to 9 points a game. It's not a myth that Artest is a great defender. Christie is starting to show signs of wear and tear, and can't carry the load all by himself.

I watched kings for 5 years and there is no way they will ever win with Adelman. He is a mediocre coach and a terrible playoff coach and a whiner and excuse maker. He never adjusts and his 7 man rotations are killers . He doesn't develop young talent and he doesn't know how to call a timeout. Oh and he looks like Hitler too
Artest will give you athleticism? :idea:
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Can he even dunk?
Artest is a heavy body so you got to learn laws of physics before opening your yap

Cactus Jax
06-09-2004, 09:41 PM
No, we don't need a new coach. There is nobody out there who would do a better job than Adelman. Byron Scott could have been a possibility, but he's taken. Plus, it's Adelman that gets the Kings in position to win games, but it's up to Peja "No Balls" Stojakovic and Chris "Damn, I'm Good" Webber to screw it up.

Artest would give us some much needed athleticism and defense in general. I don't know what Artest you were watching but he held, I think the stat was TMac, Iverson, and some other top tier shooting guards to 9 points a game. It's not a myth that Artest is a great defender. Christie is starting to show signs of wear and tear, and can't carry the load all by himself.

I watched kings for 5 years and there is no way they will ever win with Adelman. He is a mediocre coach and a terrible coach playoff coach and a whiner and excuse maker. He never adjusts and his 7 man rotations are killers . He doesn't develop young talent and he doesn't know how to call a timeout. Oh and he looks like Hitler too
Artest will give you athleticism? :idea:
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Can he even dunk?
Artest is a heavy body so you got to learn laws of physics before opening your yap

Artest is VERY athletic for his size, plus his weight is nearly all muscle which only affects his speed slightly. He's not like "Fatoine" Walker.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:47 PM
Peja can play the 2, 3, or even 4 in a small lineup.

As for Peja for Artest, straight-up? I would take it if I was Petrie, Artest is EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY what the Kings need. If the Kings were still thinking about winning the championship as soon as possible, and not building a young nucleus for the future, this trade is for the taking. But, it's highly unlikely to go down.

IMO, Artest is a better all-around player. He's a hell of a lot better defender, although Peja isn't a bad defender. Artest isn't afraid to take it to the hole, whereas Peja is.

What the kings exactly need is a new coach and interior defense. Artest can only guard bulky guys like him so his defense is limited and his offense is bad.
As I said L. Bird wouldn't think twice about trading for Peja .

WHAT??? Artest's defense is limited? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :unimpressed: :confused: He did a damn good job on Rip when he got the time to guard him for a full game. Guys like Kobe, Rip, Lebron, Melo etc. are nearly impossible for anybody else to guard, and Ron does as well as anybody I've seen by far on the ball/

laugh all u want but Wade and Rip scored on him.

Wade and Rip score on everyone. Like I said earlier, almost all of Rip's scoring came when artest wasn't on him, and Wade was playing like Jordan at times in that series, where NOBODY will stop him.

ok that's it :rolleyes: They score on anyone. That makes perfect sense. Apparently DPOY is anyone and everyone.

erdega79
06-09-2004, 09:51 PM
Ok, I gotta give credit to Artest because I like him as I said. He is a very good on ball defender because of his bulk and agility but off ball might be a little less than stellar

able
06-10-2004, 05:01 AM
Ok, I gotta give credit to Artest because I like him as I said. He is a very good on ball defender because of his bulk and agility but off ball might be a little less than stellar

Want to take your foot out of your mouth along the line?


I am sure there a quite a few around here who would gladly make you a 10 minute reel of Artest Dunks, and if you are starting he is a mediocre defender, which is what your statements boil down to, then why the hell was he A. DPOY and B. the winning votegetter for the All Defensive?

For the DPOY to score the avergae Ron scores, you have to go sometime back, like the like of Jordan to see that kind of scoring.

mix in his age and your opinion that he is flavour of the month and will be avg player in a few years is somewhat overrated by yourself.

wintermute
06-10-2004, 05:37 AM
so would anyone do artest for peja? the trade works straight up.

the concept is intriguing because it represents a radical change in philosophy for both teams. on one hand you'd think artest would suffer on the kings (on offense anyway) since he won't handle the ball as much, and at the same time you'd wonder how peja would hold up on defense on the pacers. on the other hand, both players add elements to indiana and sacramento respectively that both teams sorely need.

very interesting. not sure if i'd do it, but i would think deeply on it.

Fool
06-10-2004, 09:12 AM
Peja disappears every year in the playoffs not just tis year.

Not!!!

It's Chris Webber that disappears.
Peja, Bobby Jackson AND Bibby carry his sorry arse.

Take it from someone WHOSE TEAM SHOOTS THEIR WAD IN THE KINGS FACE EACH YEAR IN THE PLAYOFFS.
:D

I love to do this.

03-04 pts/game Reg Season/Playoffs
Peja - 24.2/17.5
Webber - 18.7/18.4

02-03 Reg Season/Playoffs
Peja - 19.2/23.7
Webber - 23.0/23.1

01-02 Reg Season/Playoffs
Peja - 21.2/14.8
Webber - 24.5/23.7

People love a shooter but Webber is always consistent. Its Peja who plays peek-a-boo in the playoffs.

TheSauceMaster
06-10-2004, 10:36 AM
Intresting debate here , btw when I started this thread my Trade idea had nothing to do with giving Ron way for Peja ;) I was for some reason thinking Peja would have been a Nice SG option but , scraped the idea since then.

Zesty
06-10-2004, 04:04 PM
so would anyone do artest for peja? the trade works straight up.

the concept is intriguing because it represents a radical change in philosophy for both teams. on one hand you'd think artest would suffer on the kings (on offense anyway) since he won't handle the ball as much, and at the same time you'd wonder how peja would hold up on defense on the pacers. on the other hand, both players add elements to indiana and sacramento respectively that both teams sorely need.

very interesting. not sure if i'd do it, but i would think deeply on it.

Bill Simmons certainly would. This is from an article he posted a day or two ago:

"Detroit 69, Indiana 65.


That was it. End of the series. Was it a good game? Did they come from behind? Who carried the Pistons? Did Ron Artest go quietly, or did he have a meltdown? We had a million questions. None of them mattered. Detroit 69, Indiana 65. I guess that would have to do. As it turned out, Rip Hamilton continued making The Leap -- not as a superstar, but as one of those rare money players in the Reggie Miller mold -- and Artest did finally flip out, guaranteeing his departure from Indy. (Wouldn't an Artest-Peja trade make too much sense or is it just me?)"

TheSauceMaster
06-10-2004, 04:20 PM
The Impression I get from reading what kings fans are saying is pretty much comparable to what alot of us are saying , we don't want to give up Ron for Peja and Kings Fans don't want to Give up Peja for Ron.

Honestly though I think if Ron was Traded for Peja it might answer my question on how will Ron react around Brad Miller , I don't think Brad was a good Influence on Ron while he was here and some might not agree but I think that Brad being gone has made Ron better in alot of ways.

MagicRat
06-10-2004, 04:36 PM
This trade talk makes me think of the Mullin trade and reminds me how much I miss watching him shoot in the pre-game warm-ups...... :cry: