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Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:35 PM
Get him the heck out of here this offseason. He is beyond dumb.

LoneGranger33
04-12-2008, 09:36 PM
Change the title of this thread to "Pacers lose season"

granger33
04-12-2008, 09:36 PM
Share Marquis's 9 shot attempts with Danny, Mike and Troy we would have won!

idioteque
04-12-2008, 09:37 PM
Go Miami?

Ownagedood
04-12-2008, 09:37 PM
Soo.. Get JOB the hell outta here.. We normally use the coach as a scape goat.. But seriously.. I'm tired of this BS.. Ya, it's not totally his fault of some of the stuff.. But he doesn't even play the guys that give a dam (cept Granger/Dun/Diener).. Get him OUT. As well as Daniels.. Having Daniels in is SO FREAKIN DUMB.

-Boston did win though... But still.. We would have to be the luckiest team ever to make the playoffs.. Danny deserves better.

LoneGranger33
04-12-2008, 09:38 PM
Thanks Indy.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:39 PM
I really have no idea why Marquis was in. He wasn't doing a single thing well. Play Shawne at the four if you have to.

indyman37
04-12-2008, 09:39 PM
props to Danny. great game for him statistically, too bad it couldn't have been on a different night.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:39 PM
Thanks Indy.

I try.

Kstat
04-12-2008, 09:39 PM
The Pacers are still on life support with 2 games left.

LoneGranger33
04-12-2008, 09:40 PM
We need some Magic and a Miami miracle.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:41 PM
And we have to actually win our last two games...

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:47 PM
On the positive side of things, Granger has surpassed my expectations of him at this point. I always thought he would be another Josh Howard, but he is better than Howard was at the same point in his career. Significantly better in fact. Danny has become a star over the past couple of weeks.

AesopRockOn
04-12-2008, 09:47 PM
I'm feeling everybody on the Quis deal. He's a dumbass player with very little to offer on the court; before he got here, people had some high hopes. That's that.

But this loss is on our coach: Jim O'Brien (as if you didn't know who it was). His rotations and substitutions are beyond inane. Dunleavy (and I guess Murphy though I didn't notice MUCH less mobility) was obviously out of the breath; to deal with that he gave rush and shawne a couple minutes each. Graham was in a suit (stylin' a little) chilling and I'm sure Andre Owens, who may have been able to D Felton's quick *** up, was in Atlantic City. Flip was terrible and Diener, despite his miraculous scrap over Boykins and three, had no chance of containing Ray. Don't get me started on the threes; what was it? Thirty eight or something. Son of a *****.

The other point that he (JOB) killed the team on was the big rotation. We got absolutely crushed on the offensive boards. Both Okafor and Mohhammad had double doubles. Foster went for a board but if there was a tip or bounce, no one (save a couple of Bobcats) was there to collect it. In this respect, Murphy was useless but he boxing-out prowess isn't exactly fleeting. Most of the game he tried to play Danny, Murphy, or Shawne really briefly at the four. The problem is: we got killed on the boards. JO is kind of dead, so he couldn't help. Now, we're not much of a rebounding team, but Harrison or Diogu could have been brought in to take up space or at least pick up some ****en fouls so Danny wouldn't have had to sit out the third quarter.

The crappy free throw shooting and dumb turnovers definitely didn't help. The lack of penetration-stopping or stopping in general was there, but it always is. Completely incompetent in-game coaching shouldn't. So long playoffs (and hopefully O'Brien and Daniels).

Will Galen
04-12-2008, 09:47 PM
Oh boohoo we lost! It happens! Nobody stole anything from us, or disparaged our sisters.

We have a bunch of guys that just won't quit and that has a lot to do with the coach. They have been sick yet they were out there busting their butts, and I for one am very proud of them. All of them! We win as a team and lose as a team.

Look how Danny played with everything on the line. New career high of 37 points!

Look at the positives people, we were a long shot at best. And we are technically still in it.

CableKC
04-12-2008, 09:47 PM
Get him the heck out of here this offseason. He is beyond dumb.
Hmmm...you single out Marquis and his 2-9 performance and ignore any of the following?

- One of our key scorers only took 2 FGA the entire game. I have no clue why....but I'm guessing that he is either sick or tired. Either way, when Murphy does not shoot, he is worthless out there. I would have much rather have a JONeal that didn't shoot and at least play some defense then have Murphy out there.
- Flip and his 3 TO ( which I am guessing was some stupid careless TO ) which essentially grounded him and forced JO'B to play Diener for the rest of the game.
- Dunleavy going 8-23 while looking ( from what I gather from the Game thread ) like the Walking Dead.
- JO'Bs inability to play anyone else other then Dunleavy, Foster and Murphy?

I can only imagine JONeal fuming on the bench watching the season get flushed down the toilet when he realized that he hit his 20 minutes time limit. Seriously, Foster playing the majority of the 4th QTR while Okafor dominates the rebounding end? We can't find some way to get JONeal to share some minutes with Foster?

Marquis may have had a bad game....but this isn't a surpise. He always does this. The way I see it is that this is a Coaching loss. Our Coach didn't recognize that a change was needed during the course of the game to try to shore up our lineup. I am sure that JONeal and Shawne playing 5 minutes a piece would have made a difference throughout the game. The season is on the line and we served up a huge steaming pile of *** when we really needed to get a win.

andreialta
04-12-2008, 09:48 PM
things arent looking so good right now - I just sounded like Quinn Buckner. lol

great effort from danny. we just dint have enough. the virus affected our players surely but its no excuse because they played and are on the court.

so much so for having a play-off party at my house this play-offs for indy. haha

Kstat
04-12-2008, 09:48 PM
I kept telling you guys about flip murray playing the point...

LoneGranger33
04-12-2008, 09:49 PM
Yeah, Marquis made an absolutely terrible decision, but that **** up couldn't have happened if O'Brien didn't make a worse decision first.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:50 PM
I agree that not having JO in there is extremely questionable. Especially because Denari and Buckner were both saying they had heard the trainers saying they could push JO to around 30 minutes if we wanted to.

However, Quis was HORRIBLE over the final five minutes. Just awful. Missed the free throws, threw up that dumb three in the corner, didn't play very good D. I'm just sick and tired of watching him play stupid basketball.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-12-2008, 09:51 PM
is it just me...or do all of our plays pretty much look the same on offense? jeff catches it up top and does that little switch left to right with a few players cutting then he either A: hands it off to someone in traffic or B: kicks it for a 3.
Marquis you suck!

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:52 PM
And yes we can blame JOB for Quis being in there, but I don't think that has as much to do with it as Quis just being a flat out moron...

And thanks a lot for the craptacular coverage from FSN we see JOB answer two questions and right as a reporter asks him if JO just wasn't an option they cut away back to freakin' Paetz. **** poor coverage.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-12-2008, 09:52 PM
I kind of figured we would lose to the damn bobcats...

AesopRockOn
04-12-2008, 09:55 PM
Hmmm...you single out Marquis and his 2-9 performance and ignore any of the following?

- One of our key scorers only took 2 FGA the entire game. I have no clue why....but I'm guessing that he is either sick or tired. Either way, when Murphy does not shoot, he is worthless out there. I would have much rather have a JONeal that didn't shoot and at least play some defense then have Murphy out there.
- Flip and his 3 TO ( which I am guessing was some stupid careless TO ) which essentially grounded him and forced JO'B to play Diener for the rest of the game.
- Dunleavy going 8-23 while looking ( from what I gather from the Game thread ) like the Walking Dead.
- JO'Bs inability to play anyone else other then Dunleavy, Foster and Murphy?

I can only imagine JONeal fuming on the bench watching the season get flushed down the toilet when he realized that he hit his 20 minutes time limit. Seriously, Foster playing the majority of the 4th QTR while Okafor dominates the rebounding end? We can't find some way to get JONeal to share some minutes with Foster?

Marquis may have had a bad game....but this isn't a surpise. He always does this. The way I see it is that this is a Coaching loss. Our Coach didn't recognize that a change was needed during the course of the game to try to shore up our lineup. I am sure that JONeal and Shawne playing 5 minutes a piece would have made a difference throughout the game. The season is on the line and we served up a huge steaming pile of *** when we really needed to get a win.

All great points. The title of the thread should include the coach's name (though I won't try to make Indy change it again:)).


I kept telling you guys about flip murray playing the point...

We really messed up. :o You can have him back. :D

tora tora
04-12-2008, 09:56 PM
Flip Murray's incompetence is not an issue.. no team that puts up that many 3 point attempts throughout the season wlill make the post season.

imawhat
04-12-2008, 09:56 PM
Tonight's game was just too bad. I think the Pacers would've been sitting pretty with a win, but it seems like we have no luck. Our team was out of gas in the first quarter. They almost won this game on fumes, so I have to give them credit.

I'm hoping Troy was sick. 0 points.... Also, Marquis had been playing better with Jermaine, but between him and Flip, you can always count for some extremely dumb turnovers at some point in the game.

I like what I saw out of Danny and Travis. Even Dunleavy was trying, but a little out of control at the end.


Regardless, I feel 134565 times better about this team than I did at the end of last season. Given the circumstances, we have a much better record than I would've expected, so someone deserves some credit.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 09:59 PM
I hope everyone is now happy with the thread title...

MyFavMartin
04-12-2008, 10:00 PM
Looks like Felton had a really good game.

Don't you wish we had a good PG?

CableKC
04-12-2008, 10:03 PM
I hope everyone is now happy with the thread title...
Yes.....much better. :D

AesopRockOn
04-12-2008, 10:07 PM
I hope everyone is now happy with the thread title...
:king:

CableKC
04-12-2008, 10:16 PM
Tonight's game was just too bad. I think the Pacers would've been sitting pretty with a win, but it seems like we have no luck. Our team was out of gas in the first quarter. They almost won this game on fumes, so I have to give them credit.
I give them credit for sticking in there till the end. Granger wouldn't let us out of an Arm's reach of somehow pulling this one out of the fire. Same with Diener and his manhandling of Boykins....the only Guard in the league that Diener can guard and shoot over. But luck has nothing to do with why I think we lost this game. I think that this game is winnable IF the right decisions were made.

I really hope that everyone that attended the game can tell me how Dunleavy looked out there. It really sounds like he could have gotten some rest instead of playing for 40 minutes. Seriously....Shawne couldn't see the floor for more then 2 minutes to even rest Dunleavy during the 3rd/4th QTR?


I'm hoping Troy was sick. 0 points.... Also, Marquis had been playing better with Jermaine, but between him and Flip, you can always count for some extremely dumb turnovers at some point in the game.
A Murphy that does not attempt a FG is a useless Murphy. Geez....JONeal probably could have done something more on the defensive end if he had actually had played more then 20 minutes. Unless JONeal is walking on crutches and is half-dead, I refuse to believe that he couldn't have gone beyond his 20 Egg-Timer minutes to actually make a difference on the court.


Regardless, I feel 134565 times better about this team than I did at the end of last season. Given the circumstances, we have a much better record than I would've expected, so someone deserves some credit.
I really believe that JO'B is the type of Coach that follows the "build a player by giving them a chance them to dig themselves out of the hole they created" school of Coaching. He doesn't seem to notice that a player can suck it up out there for long periods of time before finally pulling his butt out of the game. This can only explain why JO'B didn't pull Flip yesterday after his 7 TOs, why he continued to play Murphy for 29 minutes when he has only taken 2 shots, why Marquis remained in the game despite making mistake after mistake during critical stretches in the game and why he didn't relieve Dunleavy for a few minutes despite going 1-7 in the 4th.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-12-2008, 10:19 PM
it figures felton has a good game and i leave em on the bench for fantasy...I'm in the damn finals!
i put rondo in instead :-/

PacerGuy
04-12-2008, 10:35 PM
To all that mocked/dismissed my opinions in the "Who's to Blame" thread on JO not being sat early in/thru camp so he could be 100% at the end can not now complain he was not it the game at crunch time tonight! That was the point of the thread!!!
Now that we have lost a (another) needed game - esp. because a lack of inside play - everyone wishes we had JO in there. While I share the opinions of most on the JO'B use of the roster (crap!), JO's "mis-use" to start this year has again cost us a win. Facts are facts!!!
Not using Harrison or Ike w/ when we had walking dead on the court (sick & on the 2nd night of a back-back) is unexcusable!!! JO'b has some questions to answer after this one.

Suaveness
04-12-2008, 11:25 PM
You people are sore losers, and somehow Marquis is to blame for the loss...

Hicks
04-12-2008, 11:27 PM
Oh boohoo we lost! It happens! Nobody stole anything from us, or disparaged our sisters.

We have a bunch of guys that just won't quit and that has a lot to do with the coach. They have been sick yet they were out there busting their butts, and I for one am very proud of them. All of them! We win as a team and lose as a team.

Look how Danny played with everything on the line. New career high of 37 points!

Look at the positives people, we were a long shot at best. And we are technically still in it.

While I walked away from that game extremely frustrated, I agree. This is the way to think about it!

Kofi
04-12-2008, 11:28 PM
Quis, Troy, and yes even Dunleavy are to blame for tonight's loss. Big props to Danny Granger. Arguably the most important game of his career, and he delivers with arguably the biggest performance of his career. Rising to the occasion is a true sign of greatness. It's a shame his teammates let him down.

duke dynamite
04-13-2008, 12:15 AM
http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v240/60/7/58205046/n58205046_31880981_6284.jpg

I should have brought my camera. Taken in the Best Locker Room.

andreialta
04-13-2008, 12:55 AM
Quis, Troy, and yes even Dunleavy are to blame for tonight's loss. Big props to Danny Granger. Arguably the most important game of his career, and he delivers with arguably the biggest performance of his career. Rising to the occasion is a true sign of greatness. It's a shame his teammates let him down.

i really dont think its a good idea to blame your teammates for tonight. Yes danny played superbly but there was effort with the rest of the team. Seeing Dunleavy each time he walks after a stoppage in play makes me cringe because u can see that he is sick and just playing it out. Kinda makes me wonder why Shawne dindt get much playing time. he hit a jumper and that was it.

i consider it a team loss. it happens. just bad our team caught the bug with 3 games remianing

duke dynamite
04-13-2008, 01:09 AM
Troy Murphy told me before they game that they all had "the runs" last night. I really hope that well, I don't wish that upon them, but you could tell that they weren't themselves. Danny must just play better sick.

andreialta
04-13-2008, 01:13 AM
yeah Danny really is better when he is sick. two 30 point games and a career high.

;)

D-BONE
04-13-2008, 08:49 AM
Looks like Felton had a really good game.

Don't you wish we had a good PG?

Come on now, nothing beats splitting PG between two limited, weak-defensive, back-ups.

And I still prefer watching that arrangement to the frustration of 75% of the time Tins.

Top off-season priority absolutely has to be obtaining some guards that can play defense. Felton using us to death off the point and their other perimeter guys raining in wide open threes.

I know it's back-to-back and we had the whole illness thing, but this game just sows it up. Get some defenders in here. Even if we can't get our ideal PG, go get a niche-player defensive specialist at the 2 already!

As for the playoff chase, well, it was fun while it lasted!

CableKC
04-13-2008, 09:30 AM
i really dont think its a good idea to blame your teammates for tonight. Yes danny played superbly but there was effort with the rest of the team. Seeing Dunleavy each time he walks after a stoppage in play makes me cringe because u can see that he is sick and just playing it out. Kinda makes me wonder why Shawne dindt get much playing time. he hit a jumper and that was it.

i consider it a team loss. it happens. just bad our team caught the bug with 3 games remianing
I wouldn't call it a team loss if it looks like 2 of your key players were sick and they looked / played like ****, I call it a Coach loss because he failed to recognize this and remedy the situation.

You would figure something was wrong AFTER one of your key players that loves to take 3pt shots fails to take one ( much less any other shot ) after 29 minutes of play. Geez....I'm listening to the game and looking at the Box Score on Yahoo Sports, saw that an offensive-minded player took only 2 FGA and even I realized that something must be wrong after the first 14 minutes of play. I know that I keep on harping on this....but what does it take for JO'B to recognize that something isn't right with one of his Player or even that it's time to yank a Player before it's too late?

I mentioned this in the Game thread....but this is a problem that I see too often which is often brought up......JO'B has a problem recognizing when to yank Players when they are not as effective as they could be due to mistakes that they are making on the Court. He simply doesn't seem to be capable of making adjustments to the rotation or properly reacting to situations as the need arises.

With JO'Bs frequent love for playing Small Ball....even a person like me that hates it would have welcomed giving Harrison some minutes at the Center spot and Shawne some PF rotational minutes. I saw this with Flip and the Sixers game where it took 7 TOs for JO'B to finally pull him....I see this with not yanking Murphy after playing 29 minutes and 2 FGA of play.....doing the same thing for Dunleavy and even arguably for Marquis cuz of the several mistakes that he made at key moments at the end of the game.


Quis, Troy, and yes even Dunleavy are to blame for tonight's loss.
For Marquis.....are you really surprised? This is one of his "off night" games where he doesn't show up...or worse....where he does and sucks it up.

As for Murphy and Dunleavy, I simply refuse to put any of the blame on them for any part of this loss. If it really is true that Murphy and Dunleavy were sick and weren't up to really playing that much, I really commend them for sticking it out and playing....it really shows how much they want the Pacers to make it to the Playoffs. Unless the rest of the bench was so sick that both Murphy and Dunleavy were the only ones capable of playing...then I don't see how either of them can be blamed for this....it's all on JO'B.

D-BONE
04-13-2008, 09:40 AM
JO'B haters I think your bubble will be burst. Can't see him not getting another chance. Supposed top players out with injuries, Dunleavy and Murphy rennaisance, nice winning run to end the year.

And this coming from me who's in no way enthralled with him. I just don't think his systems will ever work as far as a championship contending team. On the other hand, it might work to bring a team back to respectability and I would have to admit that he gets the players to play hard for the most part.

Shade
04-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Three things:

1) The Bobcats own us, so I wasn't at all surprised to see we lost.
2) Quis: The curse holds true to form. ;)
3) J'OB: I warned y'all in the preseason. Now you have learned.

Jonathan
04-13-2008, 12:27 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.

count55
04-13-2008, 12:49 PM
The only complaints I had with Obie was that I thought Williams should've gotten more burn (particularly given Murphy's situation), and I really question the foul down 3 with 24 seconds left.

Beyond that, the big problem was dribble penetration all night long, creating rotation problems and lots of FT's and lots of Offensive Rebounds.

I thought Dunleavy pressed a lot, but it's hard to be really critical of him.

For as well as we've played lately, and as proud that I am of this team, we've still got a lot of holes. I don't like O'Brien's offensive system (too gimicky), but I fully expect he'll be back next year (and probably the year after that).

Honestly, I don't see really any coaches out there that are going to squeeze a lot more wins out of this roster.

Los Angeles
04-13-2008, 12:51 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.

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duke dynamite
04-13-2008, 12:58 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.
That is a totally uneducated comment. I'd suggest you do some research on some of these members here.

Mourning
04-13-2008, 01:07 PM
:lol: @ LA!

And screw the people who start talking about questioning other peoples fanhood, seriously.

Trader Joe
04-13-2008, 01:13 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.

:lol:

joeyd
04-13-2008, 01:16 PM
While you expect to win the games you are supposed to win, all teams face opponents where they might have match-up problems, and just as in the NFL and other pro sports, on any given day....So the loss last night was night a surprise, especially with the flu bug going around.

I am not at all upset with the effort of the team the last 2-3 weeks. And look at what this team did while missing 2 of its key players for a significant chunk of time. Whether or not you would call Tinsley and O'Neal star players is a point of debate for many, but these were supposed to be a couple of keys to a successful season. How many other teams do you suppose would do much better than the Knicks if they lost their two top players for half the season? They couldn't finish many games early on, when we had the players. This is regrettable now. But we did hang close against many good teams this season.

I see positive things heading into next year with Granger, Dunleavy, and a solid bench (even with the departure, hopefully, of Harrison and Daniels). I'll go to the Knicks game on Wed. to show my appreciation for the good effort put in by the players. These guys could well have let the season head way, way south. Yeah, yeah, they are professionals, but it's a credit to them that they did not.

count55
04-13-2008, 01:36 PM
:lol: @ LA!

And screw the people who start talking about questioning other peoples fanhood, seriously.

Can I get an amen from the congregation?

Will Galen
04-13-2008, 01:40 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.

Soft fans? What's that mean? You calling them girls? :p

Whatever, I disagree. I think most people that come to this board either to read or to post are hardcore fans. Suaveness pegged it when he said most of the ones posting in this thread are sore losers. They like to play the blame game.

Placing blame usually always falls on the guy with the bad game or bad stats. Or something the coach did or didn't do as if that would have been a surefire winner or loser.

The truth is the Pacers lost as a team and blame can even be placed or Danny for not hitting 2 more of his thirteen three point shots. You might say that is dumb placing any blame on Danny when he was out there keeping the Pacers in the game. But the truth is he missed twelve shots and Dun missed fifteen, so if you place blame proportionally they should be blamed the most.

Myself I just blame circumstances, and applaud the guys effort!

And I blame myself for even getting mixed up in this thread. I know most of the posters like to vent when the Pacers lose, so I tend to stay out of them when we lose, but this time I expected to read at least a few posts on how a sick Pacers team left it all on the floor, and how Danny had gone for a new career high. Instead it was a major bummer with just about everyone bit..... venting.

OnlyPacersLeft
04-13-2008, 01:43 PM
it's not over...we can hope for miami to shock the damn world and win a game...HOOSIERS ANYONE? LOL

Trader Joe
04-13-2008, 02:25 PM
I'm not going to give credit to guys like Quis or Flip who just made poor decision after poor decision. There is no excuse for playing your team out of a game.
Yes, I am proud of guys like Danny and Dun who left all out there when they looked like they were about to die, particularly Dun. I am not going to just hand out praise to everyone though. Especially when you have guys like Danny and Dun busting their butt and then Quis chucks up a dumbass three from the corner or just throws the ball out of bounds on a fastbreak because he isn't paying attention to where everyone is on the floor.

AesopRockOn
04-13-2008, 03:20 PM
We had everything to play for, our [playoff] lives were on the line," "When a game is that important, there's no reason we shouldn't win it, especially against a team that's already been eliminated. We were playing with fire the whole game," "We slowly came back, but just fell short at the end.


It's frustrating," "To come up short on a night where Atlanta lost is probably something we're going to think about for the next couple days. There's not much more you can really say about it."

Yeah, they're looking at the positives all right.

Lord Helmet
04-13-2008, 03:22 PM
I'm not going to give credit to guys like Quis or Flip who just made poor decision after poor decision. There is no excuse for playing your team out of a game.
Yes, I am proud of guys like Danny and Dun who left all out there when they looked like they were about to die, particularly Dun. I am not going to just hand out praise to everyone though. Especially when you have guys like Danny and Dun busting their butt and then Quis chucks up a dumbass three from the corner or just throws the ball out of bounds on a fastbreak because he isn't paying attention to where everyone is on the floor.
Flip just isn't a PG. His handles are TERRIBLE, he can barely pass the ball.

Draft the best PG prospect we can and start him next year, and Diener will be the backup.

Lord Helmet
04-13-2008, 03:23 PM
it's not over...we can hope for miami to shock the damn world and win a game...HOOSIERS ANYONE? LOL
We had a better chance with the Knicks, and that's saying something.

It's over. Don't actually fool yourself. It will only come back to bite you in the ***.

Just look at the way we've played the end of this year and focus on that, and finally having another draft pick that is actually possibly worth something and hopefully, just hopefully we'll earn a trip to the playoffs next year.

Midcoasted
04-13-2008, 04:16 PM
I've been calling for a Quis trade for quite sometime, while every1 is giving him props and such. But he just does not need to be on our team. I have no freaking clue why we didn't play Williams instead.Who cares if he has characted issues, what Indiana needs is winning and the rest will be forgotten, barring nothing major happens. Williams has just as high as a ceiling as Danny, and he could also be a superstar someday like Danny is fast becoming.

Every1 needs to get over the fire JOB bs, I AM SICK OF IT. Indiana coaches always have the inability to make the right personal calls at points, and thats when we loose. I just think JOB was fighting a moral dilemma with playuing Williams. If Williams didnt have so much baggage JOBS life would be a million times better! You cant balme a coach for inherting a team plagued b thugs.

Everyone needs to be thankful we have hope and optimism going into next year. We have played very solid ball the last month in the most crucial time of the year. Even against good teams we lost to, we played better than I expected.

Trade Tinsley, Quis, and maybe JO. We really do need a dominant PF but we also need a dominant C. I can see Foster/Murphy/IKe filling in at the PF very nicely, complimented by a dominant C of course. We just have too many big men PFs. Murphy is the only one I seeing as a center, but a situational backup only.

So really a 20 million dollar JO is useless since he can't go inside. That is Dwight Howard money. Hey Orlando traded Shaq, maybe we can entice them this offseason? Very unlikely but if it did we would instantly be a contender if we loose no more than JO, Quis, and Tinsley and Williams(which would not be smart if he ever stays away from the past). That would leave us able to draft a PG around the middle of the first, and take another big in the second.

I like Flip as a situational backup, and Diner, but at some point u have a log jam. I think Flip should go before Diener if we do acquire the PG we need. And for all of you thinking Tinsley should/would/could comeback:bs:

Never bring him back. Only keep JO if you can't improve your draft situation or your C problem. WE have made leaps and bounds from where we were last year at this time, when Jo and Tinsley were very active. We dont need them. JO would just be so much better suited as a situational big out West. Look for a contender who looses out West because of poor post play to make a move this summer. Or a team that needs him to enter the Lebron/Wade free agency market when his HUGE contract expires.

It seems JOs trade value may never be higher than what it will be this summer. So next year, we have SO MUCH, to be hopeful for. Im sayin we win a series in the POs even! :D

Indianapolis_girly
04-13-2008, 04:44 PM
This loss was a hard one to swallow.
Love the effort from most of the guys considering the circumstances.
A lot of turnovers that were bad communication on our part though.


Our season ticket coordinator was nice enough to upgrade our balcany seats to lower level 6th row seats.
I was suprised with how many of the players just walked around the Best Locker Room. It was cool, very friendly guys, signing anything us fans wanted signed & taking pictures with everyone. Very nice place.


I have a really cool story to tell but if you want to know the story you'll have to PM me, lol. &It really is a cool story that happened after the game. It made my day by far. :)

Graham Mernatsi
04-13-2008, 11:18 PM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans.
But hey, at least they passed third-grade English.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/are
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/our

:arrgh:

duke dynamite
04-14-2008, 12:41 AM
The majority of people on this thread our soft fans. I am very happy with the way our team has played the last 15 games.
I am really disappointed by this post. You cannot make a fair judgement without knowing most of the people here on PD. We are all fans. Some of us are frustrated with the direction this franchise has been headed within the past few years, but you can't pin us as fair weather fans.

This forum wasn't created for nothing. These guys are passionate about something bigger than them, I know I sure am. But to come out and blast a comment like that without research is uncalled for.

Us Pacers fans are united. Any team can see a bad year...or five. The point is that we are with these guys no matter what.

We own this bandwagon, be sure to not burn any bridges or we won't let you on it.

NuffSaid
04-14-2008, 12:57 PM
I thought the coach's decision not to stay with Williams longer was a mistake. The Pacers needed length and athleticism to counter the Bobcats and we didn't have either for much of the game in staying with the smaller lineup. Now, I can understand going with an 8-man rotation, but they're not in the playoffs yet. So, why lock your roster down so tightly at this point?

IMO, Ike and Williams should have seen (more) playing time, and JO could have played longer. The bigger blunder was jacking up all those 3's instead of taking the ball to the wrack! The Bobcats might have had a blocking party, but you can be sure there would have been far more fouls called against their interior defense than shots blocked.

Unclebuck
04-14-2008, 01:14 PM
I thought the coach's decision not to stay with Williams longer was a mistake. The Pacers needed length and athleticism to counter the Bobcats and we didn't have either for much of the game in staying with the smaller lineup. Now, I can understand going with an 8-man rotation, but they're not in the playoffs yet. So, why lock your roster down so tightly at this point?

IMO, Ike and Williams should have seen (more) playing time, and JO could have played longer. The bigger blunder was jacking up all those 3's instead of taking the ball to the wrack! The Bobcats might have had a blocking party, but you can be sure there would have been far more fouls called against their interior defense than shots blocked.

O'Brien took Williams out after he made two mental errors on team defense and the Bobcats got two layups because of it

Kemo
04-14-2008, 01:46 PM
O'Brien took Williams out after he made two mental errors on team defense and the Bobcats got two layups because of it

but he left quis in after.. turnover after turnover.. which included passing the ball to the cameraman on the wing ? lol

:confused::confused:

Dr. Goldfoot
04-14-2008, 01:58 PM
but he left quis in after.. turnover after turnover.. which included passing the ball to the cameraman on the wing ? lol

:confused::confused:

MD had three T/O's in the game. One in the second, one in the third and one with just over 10 minutes to go in the fourth. What exactly are you talking about?

Unclebuck
04-14-2008, 02:05 PM
I agreed with the decision to have Daniels in the game. We needed him in the game to defend Felton.

Jonathan
04-14-2008, 02:07 PM
But hey, at least they passed third-grade English.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/are
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/our

:arrgh:

I graduated college. You're sosmart by being able to correct grammer on this board. Get a Life you loser.

Jonathan
04-14-2008, 02:15 PM
I am really disappointed by this post. You cannot make a fair judgement without knowing most of the people here on PD. We are all fans. Some of us are frustrated with the direction this franchise has been headed within the past few years, but you can't pin us as fair weather fans.

This forum wasn't created for nothing. These guys are passionate about something bigger than them, I know I sure am. But to come out and blast a comment like that without research is uncalled for.

Us Pacers fans are united. Any team can see a bad year...or five. The point is that we are with these guys no matter what.

We own this bandwagon, be sure to not burn any bridges or we won't let you on it.

I believe this franchise is headed in the right direction. I did not believe we had the talent to win out and when we lose one game in two weeks and the majority of people on here are bashing this team. They lost their playoff hopes in January and played execellent basketball here in the last few weeks.
I believe the majority of Indy fans are soft. They only root for their local teams when they win big. People did not jump on the Colts bandwagon until we beat KC & San Diego in the playoffs w/ Lamont Warren & Z Crockett.

Will Galen
04-14-2008, 02:32 PM
I believe the majority of Indy fans are soft. They only root for their local teams when they win big. People did not jump on the Colts bandwagon until we beat KC & San Diego in the playoffs w/ Lamont Warren & Z Crockett.

Now I somewhat agree with you here, but that's not just Indy fans, the majority of any teams fans are always softcore bandwagon fans that only follow a team when they are winning.

There's also the fans that follow a star, ala Reggie. What I'm afraid of is Bird thinks Vince Carter will draw those type fans back so he will trade JO for him.

Fact is if we got the first pick in the draft I think Bird would take Beasley and then trade JO for Carter.

Anthem
04-14-2008, 03:00 PM
I graduated college. You're sosmart by being able to correct grammer on this board. Get a Life you loser.
:laugh: Says the guy mocking other people's fanhood. How is that post any different from your "soft fans" post? At least Graham pointed an actual error, instead of just making blanket statements demeaning other people.


p.s. Two spelling mistakes and a capitalization error in a single line? Way to prop the alma mater. Be glad Graham only visits PD like once a month.

Will Galen
04-14-2008, 03:26 PM
Be glad Graham only visits PD like once a month.

I'm laughing at the inside joke!

Jonathan
04-14-2008, 03:29 PM
:laugh: Says the guy mocking other people's fanhood. How is that post any different from your "soft fans" post? At least Graham pointed an actual error, instead of just making blanket statements demeaning other people.


p.s. Two spelling mistakes and a capitalization error in a single line? Way to prop the alma mater. Be glad Graham only visits PD like once a month.

I am not mocking anybody's fanhood. I think the Pacers "true" fans should be happy we are even in the playoff hunt after the terrible January/Febuary we had. We could have packed it in awhile ago. MY POINT IS THIS THIS LOSS TO THE BOBCATS IS NOT THE REASON WE WILL MISS THE PLAYOFFS!!

Jonathan
04-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Now I somewhat agree with you here, but that's not just Indy fans, the majority of any teams fans are always softcore bandwagon fans that only follow a team when they are winning.

There's also the fans that follow a star, ala Reggie. What I'm afraid of is Bird thinks Vince Carter will draw those type fans back so he will trade JO for him.

Fact is if we got the first pick in the draft I think Bird would take Beasley and then trade JO for Carter.

If we get the first pick in the draft & take Beasely and also Trade JO for Carter. I will kiss your bare behind center court before tip off at a home game next year.

Will Galen
04-14-2008, 03:37 PM
If we get the first pick in the draft & take Beasely and also Trade JO for Carter. I will kiss your bare behind center court before tip off at a home game next year.

Like HECK you will!

Jonathan
04-14-2008, 03:44 PM
Like HECK you will!

BET IS ON.

Anthem
04-14-2008, 03:49 PM
BET IS ON.
Speaking of which, didn't our buddy Los Angeles make a bet somewhere? Anybody remember what thread that was in?

LoneGranger33
04-14-2008, 03:52 PM
Speaking of which, didn't our buddy Los Angeles make a bet somewhere? Anybody remember what thread that was in?

Yeah, but I think it was about Jim O'Brien not being Coach of the Year. Obviously, he won that one.

Anthem
04-14-2008, 03:53 PM
Yeah, but I think it was about Jim O'Brien not being Coach of the Year. Obviously, he won that one.
No, he said we wouldn't go .500 for our last 12 games.

avoidingtheclowns
04-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Speaking of which, didn't our buddy Los Angeles make a bet somewhere? Anybody remember what thread that was in?

i bet you ten hundred million dollars it was Unclebuck

Will Galen
04-14-2008, 03:57 PM
BET IS ON.

Nobody's kissing my butt for any reason! Even if it is cute.:devil:

Oh . . . and for your information that's not me in the picture on the left.

Hicks
04-14-2008, 04:57 PM
I graduated college. You're sosmart by being able to correct grammer on this board. Get a Life you loser.

All right, before this goes any further, here me out. Jonathan, his account is a "joke" account made by Anthem that is used to "harass" PD members over grammar et al and is not meant to be taken very seriously, if at all. Now I'm sure you didn't know that so I understand your reaction.

Anthem, you need to understand not everyone (the newer folks) knows about this and is bound to be more offended than they should be by that post, so reacting to his outburst is just going to cause more grief all around.

Let's let things lie, please?

duke dynamite
04-14-2008, 05:12 PM
Wow, I acutally retaliated to a post from Jonathan, too. Sorry Anthem.

tdubb03
04-14-2008, 05:22 PM
is it just me...or do all of our plays pretty much look the same on offense? jeff catches it up top and does that little switch left to right with a few players cutting then he either A: hands it off to someone in traffic or B: kicks it for a 3.
Marquis you suck!

We run plays?

Anthem
04-14-2008, 05:31 PM
Anthem, you need to understand not everyone (the newer folks) knows about this and is bound to be more offended than they should be by that post, so reacting to his outburst is just going to cause more grief all around
:cry: Ruined my fun by telling everybody my secret. :cry:

Yeah, I'd already left it. I didn't mind if he was offended, though, because that "soft fans" stuff is bush league. But like you say, I'm happy to let it go. It's going to be a long summer even without the sniping.

duke dynamite
04-14-2008, 05:45 PM
You're still cool in my book, Anthem.

Anthem
04-14-2008, 06:21 PM
You're still cool in my book, Anthem.
:buddies:

Graham Mernatsi
04-14-2008, 06:24 PM
All right, before this goes any further, hear me out.
Fixed.

:devil:
















:flirt:

duke dynamite
04-14-2008, 06:48 PM
:buddies:
lol