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Shade
04-11-2008, 04:38 PM
I'd have to think changes are going to be made in the offseason, starting with moving some players for more draft picks.

Who do you think will NOT be a Pacer when next season starts?

idioteque
04-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Realistically:

Marquis Daniels has never produced up to expectations for this team, and he is now a lucrative expiring deal that I think Larry will deal instead of allow him to expire, in a manner he/DW did similar with Croshere.


Diogu is young and I guess still has some potential in the eyes of some GM's, maybe? I would have to think his value has sunk, though. I think the Pacers will try to move him, either way, he isn't working out. He has a small contract so moving him isn't as hard as moving someone like JT.

Hulk- They would be absolutely crazy to resign him.

Flip Murray- I think will bolt to a contender. There were questions before he came here if he could even be a competitive player in the league, and I think he has proven that he can. I think he would be a great insurance policy for a team like the Suns. Yes, they have Barbosa who would start on most teams, but Nash ain't getting any younger and if he misses like 20 games next year, Barbosa/Murray wouldn't be half bad. I'd love to have that lineup all year for the Pacers....

Kareem Rush- He was pretty good this year at a discount price, I think another team will offer him more money and he'll go somewhere else. I don't think the Pacers will pay up for him, even though he does fit our system. I believe he'll go somewhere else and be overpaid. His injury problems at the end of the year have made me a little worried. We have won some games this year without him in the lineup, I don't think he's a game breaker or necessary to retain.

Not as realistic:

Shawne Williams- I really wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt to show that this team is going to right ship in regards to the disciplinary issues. Plus, I think he's overrated.

Tinsley and O'Neal: I think LB would love to deal them, it all really depends on if he can get a deal for them or not. If he is willing go along with rebuilding like he has said, yes, I think they will go. If he can't stomach getting 50 cents on the dollar for them, LB will wait it out.

Trader Joe
04-11-2008, 07:06 PM
I said Quis, Ike, Hulk, Owens, and Tinsley.

Kaufman
04-11-2008, 07:06 PM
Even though the question was "who will NOT be a Pacer next season", after looking at the results and evaluating my decision making, I think one has to wonder if these results really reflect the answer to the question of who WE don't want to be Pacers next season as well as some combination of who we think won't be.

Interesting question though, and difficult to answer, to say the least.

BlueNGold
04-11-2008, 07:18 PM
I said Quis, Ike, Hulk, Owens, and Tinsley.

I only voted for Quis and Hulk, but the other three you list were next in line. I think all of those players are now expendable, particularly if we draft Augustin or Westbrook.

Tom White
04-11-2008, 07:47 PM
Even though the question was "who will NOT be a Pacer next season", after looking at the results and evaluating my decision making, I think one has to wonder if these results really reflect the answer to the question of who WE don't want to be Pacers next season...

Exactly why I haven't voted yet.

I'm having a difficult time sorting my preferences vs. what the team will be able to do, or want to do.

croz24
04-11-2008, 07:52 PM
hoping granger won't be...

Kaufman
04-11-2008, 07:59 PM
Exactly why I haven't voted yet.

I'm having a difficult time sorting my preferences vs. what the team will be able to do, or want to do.



I mean tom, I think this is one of those where that task is near impossible, if not impossible. We can easily rule out some of the "roster filler", per se, the Grahams and Owens and even get into some of the bigger bench contributors without contracts -- such as Kareem and Flip, two guys who might get better contracts elsewhere.

I think it is difficult to say when it comes to more "precious" commodities - Jamaal Tinsley as a point guard for instance. We want to get rid of him, but he is a point guard, an endangered species here in the league. And even given that - who's to say that he will have any takers? Speaking of endangered species - I think David Harrison is hard to make an absolute call on either. He's 7' tall and not rail thin. Not a bunch of those guys around. So hard to say if he goes either.

Then you consider JO - huge contract. How about Ike - he's still young but a lot of us think he doesn't "get it".

And if we are able to trade some of these guys, what about "trade filler" - who do we lose in association with a big time name?

And who do we lose simply as a cap casualty.

These are thing that the front office will have to decide probably based on what other teams are willing to give up for what we have to give.

QuickRelease
04-11-2008, 08:16 PM
hoping granger won't be...

Why is that? Are you saying you're hoping he's one of the ones to go?

croz24
04-11-2008, 08:46 PM
i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...

AesopRockOn
04-11-2008, 10:20 PM
So are we re-signing Feisty?

duke dynamite
04-12-2008, 12:34 AM
I voted for the Cotton-Candy guy. I absolutely hate him.

Roaming Gnome
04-12-2008, 12:56 AM
I voted for the Cotton-Candy guy. I absolutely hate him.

Y'all need to give the "cotton Candy" formerly the "shaved ice... real snow" guy a break. He has cleaned himself up since his MSA days. You never know....the dude might be bumpin that job to support a family. The guy does have some serious dedication and tenure in his gig because I remember him from my very first trip to MSA in '93.

As for the players, I figured Marquise, Rush, Owens, Hulk and Tinsley wouldn't return. I figured Ike doesn't fit here also, but for some reason, I don't see him getting dealt. I can honestly see Tinsley getting bought out of his contract just to put some distance between this team and the "Jail Pacers" P.R. nightmare.

Trader Joe
04-12-2008, 12:59 AM
Whats with all the new admins running around? Are we that unruley?

Roaming Gnome
04-12-2008, 01:02 AM
Whats with all the new admins running around? Are we that unruley?

:security:If the shoe fits....

Mourning
04-12-2008, 06:42 AM
I said: Ike, Hulk, Murray, Rush and Williams.

Ike isn't working out, alas. Would have liked to see him play more and he did really well at the start of the season.

Hulk... I'm not going into that. Let's just say that I would be PISSED if we DID give him a contract (yes, even a minimum contract).

Murray. Like DC I think he will go to a much better positioned team to make the play-offs that needs a little backcourt help.

Rush. I think he will ask for more then we are willing to give and more then he should be getting looking at the end of the season. Was GREAT in the middle of the season. Too bad we would lose him, I like him, but everything at a price.

Shawne Williams. I would keep him afterall, though I have grown VERY impatient with his off the court crap/friends. I think he will be dealt though, possibly for a better or a second draft pick (late first round) or maybe be dealt together with say Quis for a decent player.

Which leads me to my omissios, Marquis. I forgot his contract is an expiring one. I would think it's most likely he will be dealt at the trade deadline next winter. I would rather have him dealt at that time then this summer.
Reasoning:
1. I think there will be more suitors for nice expirings at that period (teams that miscalculatediin the summer and decide to go another direction or want to have the financial means to re-sign another player allready on their team).
2. I would want to keep Shawne and I think the chances of us dealing him after the summer are less likely (provided he can keep his growth as a player going).

Would LOVE to see us deal Jamaal, JO and Troy (even though I'm quite content with how Troy has played the last few months and even though I DO like JO), but I don't see that happenning.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

QuickRelease
04-12-2008, 09:46 AM
i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...

Interesting. Why do you want Danny gone?

duke dynamite
04-12-2008, 10:15 AM
i'm hoping granger is one that won't be here...
Yeah, I'm curious as well.

Maybe this was just posted to start trouble...:box:

Oneal07
04-12-2008, 11:37 AM
Tinsley, Hulk, Are most likely gone

QuickRelease
04-12-2008, 12:49 PM
I'd have to think changes are going to be made in the offseason, starting with moving some players for more draft picks.

Who do you think will NOT be a Pacer when next season starts?

Do you think from what we've shown here at the end of the season that we may not see as many changes during the offseason? Or do you think we'll march full steam ahead in breaking up the team?

grace
04-12-2008, 01:55 PM
For those you you who still don't believe I don't follow the Pacers anymore here's proof that I don't.

Who the heck is Andre Owens?

As for the vote I was just going to wave, but then I saw that Scuz was an option. All I can say is "PLEASE God, make it so!"

duke dynamite
04-12-2008, 02:21 PM
Do you think from what we've shown here at the end of the season that we may not see as many changes during the offseason? Or do you think we'll march full steam ahead in breaking up the team?
I'm sure a couple of the "deep" bench players will be gone, just like every other year.

QuickRelease
04-12-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm sure a couple of the "deep" bench players will be gone, just like every other year.

Yeah, but I'm not really taking them into account. Most of the 1yr contract guys used to fill out the roster don't really matter all that much once you zero out the scale. I'm sure the player the Pacers would like to move most is Jamaal. But with YET ANOTHER INJURY, and his contract, I'm sure he will be here until the all-star break, unless they're willing to give him away for someone else's junk.

duke dynamite
04-12-2008, 02:37 PM
Yeah, if TPTB don't do something about Tins, they have a screw loose. I mean come on, this guy has like a month worth of decent games each season then gets hurt. Every year.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


This case, Fool me 4 times, all is forgiven. You can sit on the bench and watch, its okay, Jamaal.

madison
04-12-2008, 03:09 PM
Go, Duke Dynamite! Couldn't agree more re wanting Tins traded. But, I'm just tired of the chronically 'injured' so for me, I'd like to see JO traded, too.

duke dynamite
04-12-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm just tired of every season getting hyped up because we have a healthy starting PG, and he never lives up to it. I mean come on.

The draft will be good to us, though. We have a decent crop of PGs to pick from. But like I've said before, is we need to snag a decent veteran PG, and work our new guy into the mix while Diener remains a strong backup.

Or, save some money and start Diener for a while.

tdubb03
04-12-2008, 06:28 PM
I just realized I selected 9 guys. I do expect some pretty large changes but not quite that large.

croz24
04-12-2008, 09:00 PM
Yeah, I'm curious as well.

Maybe this was just posted to start trouble...:box:

no, granger needs to be traded while his value is at its peak and before we greatly overpay to keep him a pacer...

Ownagedood
04-12-2008, 09:56 PM
I just realized I selected 9 guys. I do expect some pretty large changes but not quite that large.
Haha, ya, I expect a lot of changes too.. Not sure how many though.

PacerGuy
04-12-2008, 10:39 PM
I would love to know where the 51 people (as of now) think Tin's is going to go/ who is going to take him?
Also, after tonight, how many more then the current 39 think Daniels will still be here?

Anthem
04-12-2008, 11:14 PM
I don't see us being able to move Tins.

esabyrn333
04-12-2008, 11:26 PM
I don't see us being able to move Tins.


Unless TPTB know something we don't like he is not hurt and they just don't want him on the court or he has demanded a trade and they don't want to deal with the guy any longer.

Kaufman
04-12-2008, 11:36 PM
tinsley has about as much leverage to "demand" a trade as Jonathan Bender does.

duke dynamite
04-13-2008, 12:19 AM
no, granger needs to be traded while his value is at its peak and before we greatly overpay to keep him a pacer...
There is no way after the past two games we are getting rid of Danny. And let alone we will not get anything from him, because as always, his talents will go unnoticed outside this team and it's fans.

D-BONE
04-13-2008, 08:59 AM
I don't know who will and won't be back but I personally request no more than any one of Quis, Rush, Flip. If we can effectively replace them, I'd gladly take none of them returning.

Flip is an inconsitent turnover machine. Quis is a no-shot turnover magnet. Rush allegedly can shoot yet never has reached pure (dependable) shooter status in my mind. Plus the other elements of his game are inconsistent and mediocre at best.

Get us a PG with a clue so we can cut ties with Tins if at all possible and another G type that has potential to excel on DEFENSE!!! I don't care if he can't hit the broad side of a barn if he can D somebody up.

We have to have the collective worst backcourt in the NBA right now. Perhaps only salvaged thanks to Dun if you count him as a SG. Still, even with his great play this year, it doesn't do anything for the defensive side of the ball.

Jonathan
04-13-2008, 12:30 PM
I think Tinsley will still be on this team, his injury plagued career and high salary is not something any team wants.

count55
04-13-2008, 12:44 PM
I think Tinsley will still be on this team, his injury plagued career and high salary is not something any team wants.

I actually think the Simons will give the blessing to go over the luxury tax to dump Tinsley. My suspicion is that the Pacers and their ownership (and most of their fans) will define success this summer based on one criteria: Is Tinsley gone?

It will be hard, but don't you think we could deal him for another piece o' **** contract like Jared Jeffries or Jerome James or Brian Cardinal or Kenny Thomas?

Mourning
04-13-2008, 12:50 PM
as long as that returning contract is shorter I don't care who they bring in to sit at home. They could bring in Ted Bundy for all I care as long as he stays locked up!

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

D-BONE
04-13-2008, 01:37 PM
I actually think the Simons will give the blessing to go over the luxury tax to dump Tinsley. My suspicion is that the Pacers and their ownership (and most of their fans) will define success this summer based on one criteria: Is Tinsley gone?

It will be hard, but don't you think we could deal him for another piece o' **** contract like Jared Jeffries or Jerome James or Brian Cardinal or Kenny Thomas?

Jerome James maybe as a last gasp. However, Jeffries, Cardinal, or Thomas would be acceptable to me just to finally end Jamaal's tenure.

QuickRelease
04-13-2008, 05:21 PM
Jerome James maybe as a last gasp. However, Jeffries, Cardinal, or Thomas would be acceptable to me just to finally end Jamaal's tenure.

Ideally, we could take on Cardinal's contract, coupled with Conley (if they get Derrick Rose), or Kyle Lowry (more realistic).

Kemo
04-13-2008, 06:24 PM
someone should make a poll saying

WHO DO YOU NOT WANT TO BE A PACER NEXT SEASON?

CableKC
04-13-2008, 06:44 PM
I actually think the Simons will give the blessing to go over the luxury tax to dump Tinsley. My suspicion is that the Pacers and their ownership (and most of their fans) will define success this summer based on one criteria: Is Tinsley gone?

It will be hard, but don't you think we could deal him for another piece o' **** contract like Jared Jeffries or Jerome James or Brian Cardinal or Kenny Thomas?
I would easily take any of them ( except for Jerome James ) for Tinsley.

Putnam
04-13-2008, 07:15 PM
someone should make a poll saying

WHO DO YOU NOT WANT TO BE A PACER NEXT SEASON?


For me, they are the same. In other words, TPTB are going to make all the right moves. They are going to dazzle the whole league, and usher in a new era of prosperity during this offseason.:dance:

Kaufman
04-13-2008, 07:17 PM
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Smoothdave1
04-13-2008, 10:43 PM
FWIW, I have a friend who lives in the same neighborhood and right near Jamaal Tinsley in Carmel and said he (or members of his entourage) have been doing a lot of cleaning as if it appeared Tinsley was moving out.

JayRedd
04-14-2008, 12:09 AM
Thankfully, I really think most of these hacks will be gone.

LoneGranger33
04-14-2008, 12:31 AM
FWIW, I have a friend who lives in the same neighborhood and right near Jamaal Tinsley in Carmel and said he (or members of his entourage) have been doing a lot of cleaning as if it appeared Tinsley was moving out.

Is that why Jamaal asked me how to get blood stains off a carpet?

Midcoasted
04-14-2008, 03:36 AM
Do you think from what we've shown here at the end of the season that we may not see as many changes during the offseason? Or do you think we'll march full steam ahead in breaking up the team?

Deal Quis, Tinsley, and JO, and let Harrison and Rush go. The push was made by the rest of the players IMO and we should keep the rest on board.

Justin Tyme
04-14-2008, 03:50 PM
I don't see Ike progressing in JO'B's system.

Harrison is a total bust.

Graham won't be back b/c he will go where he can get some minutes, and JO'B isn't going to give them to him here. That's already been proven.

I would have put Tinsley in the won't be here category, but I don't see the Simon's spending the money to buy him out or finding a team who will take him. I'd love for Bird to find a team willing to take him, even for the #13, 14, and 15 bench warmers. Asking for a draft pick for him is getting too greedy! Just him being gone will surfice.

Rush will find another team as will Flip.

Quis will go in a trade, hopefully with Tinsley.